'No Way Out' Mid-Season Premiere Discussion

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  • Not pissed, but that whole family was doomed. That boy was reckless, Im just sorry it had to go doen that way.

    CunningFox posted: »

    Am I the only one that is super pissed that Ron died?

  • She killed that crazy guy who's cabin they intruded upon just to stop him from screaming. She can be ruthless when she feels like she needs to be.

    Did you like his character? I wasn't the biggest fan. My only issue with his death is that Michonne stabbed a kid with like no hesitation. Even though he was threatening Rick, I don't really like people killing kids.

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    Eh, I like random incidents from stray shots etc.

    Diving forward in sacrifice is a bit cheesy.

    lottii-lu posted: »

    So according to this interview, with Chandler Riggs,the scene where Carl get’s his eye blown out, Carl was originally going to save Rick's l

  • I liked Ron a lot, and I've started to take a disliking towards Michonne since this season started.

    Did you like his character? I wasn't the biggest fan. My only issue with his death is that Michonne stabbed a kid with like no hesitation. Even though he was threatening Rick, I don't really like people killing kids.

  • Yeah, but I don't think it would've been that hard to restrain Ron and not stick a sword in his back.

    KCohere posted: »

    Not pissed, but that whole family was doomed. That boy was reckless, Im just sorry it had to go doen that way.

  • You don't think it would've been hard to restrain a teen (not even a young boy but a teen) wielding a gun in a zombie herd?

    CunningFox posted: »

    Yeah, but I don't think it would've been that hard to restrain Ron and not stick a sword in his back.

  • Thank you! I loved that little "montage" or whatever of everyone fighting. I really rooted for everyone when they decided to go outside and fight.

    Gif Mania

  • She could've knocked him out, she didn't have to kill him.

    You don't think it would've been hard to restrain a teen (not even a young boy but a teen) wielding a gun in a zombie herd?

  • @InGen_Nate_Kenny Eye patch Carl avatar soon? ;)

  • edited February 2016

    I always knew Ron's death was coming, same with the Eye shot was coming. As for the way he died I did not, but I happy he died there.

    Because - If he lived Rick would have just killed him, or beat his ass. Then when Carl wakes up he would definitely do the same, and not having a family would probably make him want to kill himself.

    CunningFox posted: »

    Am I the only one that is super pissed that Ron died?

  • edited February 2016

    "Judge, Jury, Executioner", "Say the Word", and "Thank You" all sucked, so that's not helping my view of Kang. "Try", "Forget" and "Consumed" weren't bad, but were flawed in numerous noticeable ways. I was a big fan of "Consumed" once upon a time, but rewatches have soured me on it a bit. And yes, flaws exist in everything, but I find that the ones in good episodes are much less apparent and minor than the ones that crop up in the aforementioned episodes. They're certainly not among the bottom of the barrel, though, I'll give them that.

    "A" was also co-written by Gimple, though we have no way of knowing who contributed what to that episode. In any case, I'm well aware that writers can have good and bad episodes under their belt ("Infected" was quite good), but in my estimation, Angela Kang has definitely done more bad than good on this show and is easily the weakest longtime writer on the staff. Also, "30 Days Without an Accident" was a great episode, and an example of how a slower-paced episode that is solely about subtle setup can have actual compelling content that's actually interesting to watch, the polar opposite of slower episodes like "Now" and "Still". To that end, I actually do think Gimple would have improved upon these episodes if he had written them, simply because meaningful dialogue and development between characters has always been his specialty. Hoffman probably would have too, since "Self-Help" was slow but very good, and "Crossed" boasts some good development and dialogue even if the story is average.

    Anyway, all this is largely pointless, since I wasn't entirely serious with the talk of firing people in favor of Hoffman and was mostly joking with my over-the-top "god help us all" in relation to Reed and Kang collaborating, even if I do absolutely think Hoffman's credits are quite impressive when compared with Kang's and Reed's, who range from lightning-in-a-bottle-great, to average, to absolute schlock, and mostly do better when collaborating with better writers.

    That said, good call on "Four Walls and a Roof". I forgot they worked together on that. Let's see if lightning strikes twice.

    Angela Kang and Corey Reed also co-wrote the Season 5 episode "Four Walls and a Roof," one of the best episodes of Season 5. Corey Reed has

  • -whispers- Nope.

    -whispers- He was probably blinded by confirmation bias.

  • edited February 2016

    1) Glenn surviving "Thank You", a terrible idea that has hurt the show far more than helped. 2) Hell, most of "Thank You" for that matter, which was full to the brim with nonsensical actions being taken when obvious solutions were staring the characters right in the face... all for the sake of drama, which wouldn't be so bad if everyone and their mother watching couldn't see the obvious solutions as well. 3) The entire concept of the walker parade, which is flawed in so many ways, as well as events in "First Time Again" that happened the way they did purely from character stupidity (Glenn, Nicholas, and Heath needing to clear out that tractor place because Rick nonsensically decided to leave it for later when everyone was already there). 4) Not really a singular plot point, but just most of what happened in "Always Accountable", which also has to hold a record for containing some of the worst directed scenes in TWD history. 5) The ideas on how to deal with the Alexandria herd, which seemed to change to fit the plot every couple of minutes. This is almost mitigated by the unforeseen occurrence of the tower falling, but that too comes with its own slew of issues involving the structure and whether or not it would have actually fallen like that.

    Still, like I said, "No Way Out" pretty much gave nine hours of setup a great conclusion in one hour by tying everything together satisfactorily. But there were just many moments in the first half where a simple bit of tweaking in the writing would have made the entire experience so much more logical, as opposed to ideas that fall flat when you start actually thinking about them. I know that "characters doing dumb things they shouldn't" is kind of a staple of the series and genre, but with TWD they were usually dumb things in hindsight that the characters had good reason for, as well as events they couldn't have possibly foreseen coming around to bite them in the ass. With Season 6, it was like a cavalcade of dumb things they ought to know full well they shouldn't be doing, given their supposed experience.

    KCohere posted: »

    What plot points?

  • Shut up, ninnyhammer.

    Yes. It was fucking hilarious.

  • That fucking hurts.

    Shut up, ninnyhammer.

  • Fair enough. You seem to have ideas that you think would have worked better but I dont so nothing they did seemed obviously dumb to me, other than the hindsight of plans not working out. Which is, as you say is pretty much a staple of the show, and of people in general.

    As for Glenn, saying his survivng hurt the show, I cant really follow you on that. Im just glad he's alive because I was dreading what I thought was going to happen to him based on what happens in the comics. He's too important, imo, to just throw away for shock value.

    damkylan posted: »

    1) Glenn surviving "Thank You", a terrible idea that has hurt the show far more than helped. 2) Hell, most of "Thank You" for that matter, w

  • I thought you were being serious when saying Reed and Kang should be fired. That's why I mentioned that bias; I consider that they have also made some good work on the show.

    damkylan posted: »

    -whispers- Nope.

  • I just saw the episode. That was guuuuud!! I can't wait to see Negan and Jesus.

  • edited February 2016

    "A Savior"

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    Wonder if he'll have a similar introduction as the comics.

    I just saw the episode. That was guuuuud!! I can't wait to see Negan and Jesus.

  • edited February 2016

    It would have been the best idea in that situation, especially Sam. when he began to lose his mind.

    CunningFox posted: »

    She could've knocked him out, she didn't have to kill him.

  • I wonder how they will utilize Enid once "Lydia" comes into play.

    KCohere posted: »

    I bet his little girlfriend will be impressed by his badass eyepatch.

  • When did that happen?

    KCohere posted: »

    She killed that crazy guy who's cabin they intruded upon just to stop him from screaming. She can be ruthless when she feels like she needs to be.

  • She could've knocked him out with the handle of her katana, if that makes sense. Though, he would've died either way. It's not like he was going to be carried by any of the three.

    CunningFox posted: »

    She could've knocked him out, she didn't have to kill him.

  • Back in season three. They came across some crazy hermit dude that freaked out and started threatening to call the cops. They were trapped in the cabin by walkers, and the guy made a break for the door, so Michonne killed him.

    When did that happen?

  • That's in the episode that they find Morgan, right? "Clear".

    At the time it aired I hadn't started watching The Walking Dead. Since then I've been able to watch every single episode except that one. I managed to skip it somehow, and then it became unavailable.

    Deltino posted: »

    Back in season three. They came across some crazy hermit dude that freaked out and started threatening to call the cops. They were trapped in the cabin by walkers, and the guy made a break for the door, so Michonne killed him.

  • A photo leaked online of Jesus on set a while ago actually. Well, at least people are speculating it's Jesus.

    I just saw the episode. That was guuuuud!! I can't wait to see Negan and Jesus.

  • edited February 2016

    Yeah it is, he's been cast. Tom Payne I believe. But he's been all bearded up etc

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  • No , it's the one they go to Woodbury to save Glenn and Maggie

    That's in the episode that they find Morgan, right? "Clear". At the time it aired I hadn't started watching The Walking Dead. Since then

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  • I hope so! and Negan too.

    "A Savior" Wonder if he'll have a similar introduction as the comics.

  • If he is able to make those crazy flying kicks, will be amazing! :D

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  • The good thing about that guy is that he looks nice and gentle but can kick your ass to the ground if you cross him

    If he is able to make those crazy flying kicks, will be amazing!

  • Totally! ;)

    The good thing about that guy is that he looks nice and gentle but can kick your ass to the ground if you cross him

  • What if he pops up next week :o

    Totally!

  • Someone will take a kick.

    What if he pops up next week

  • Really? I don't really remember that scene. Going to read it from the wikia, then.

    No , it's the one they go to Woodbury to save Glenn and Maggie

  • He's okay, I find his opinions always a bit simplistic and black and white. But he seems like a decent guy much better than that trev dude

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  • I just watch any channel that has Walking Dead, as soon as the episodes finish I need more aha

    He's okay, I find his opinions always a bit simplistic and black and white. But he seems like a decent guy much better than that trev dude

  • edited February 2016

    Trevs cool. Hes just positively bias'd so its hard for him to see flaws but hes good at seing good things hidden in episodes such as easter eggs and stuff.

    He's okay, I find his opinions always a bit simplistic and black and white. But he seems like a decent guy much better than that trev dude

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