R.I.P. This brave hero
Rest in Peace, Zachary, who died sacrificing his life for Michonne. I killed Norma for what she did to you, Zachary. So let us make a toast.
TO ZACHARY!
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Rest in Peace, Zachary, who died sacrificing his life for Michonne. I killed Norma for what she did to you, Zachary. So let us make a toast.
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Zachary was always a good guy. I promised him to give Norma a painful death. Everyone who let Zachary die in the first episode is HEARTLESS. They should regret that.
I don't think I'd call Zachary a hero considering that he knowingly freed the ones who had been responsible for the destruction of his home, with one of them having starting the series of disasters by stealing from them (twice) in the first place.
He is a hero in episode 3 if you spare him. He sacrificed himself for Michonne.
Agreed.
True, from Michonne's point of view Zachary saved her from Norma during the climax.
But from Norma's point of view, not only did he willingly free the ones who stole from them twice (Sam) and had destroyed the Monroe community and have directly and indirectly killed many innocent people (Michonne), especially those who never even met Michonne and Sam before, but he had also attacked her while she was trying to get her revenge on Michonne and Sam for the supplies theft, the loss of her people and community, and finally her brother.
If we weren't playing as Michonne but as someone from Monroe the whole time, Zachary would have not been seen as the hero but as a villain, or at the very least a traitor.
Norma's point of view dosen't mean shit.
So you're saying that if someone from your group let loose the one who had repeatedly stole from you, then had destroyed the community you worked hard to build for an unspecified amount of time, and then had gotten your friends and family killed, and then the one who betrayed you suddenly attacked you while you were about to exact vengeance, you'd be okay with it?
It depends on their reasoning. If someone was with a group of child-killers for a while, and wanted to get out of it, and let out the prisoners, I'd probably be one of them. But if he wasn't with a group of child-killers, and just killed us all for no reason, no, I wouldn't be okay with it. Does that answer your question?
I let him die in the first episode lol... Kinda regret it but not really. RIP MY MAN BERTO
Depends on whether Norma herself was responsible for the massacre in the Mobjack ferry and made the order to kill everyone inside, or whether the massacre was done by Randal at his own initiative and he never told his sister what exactly happened. It also comes down to whether the people from Mobjack was supposedly targetting Monroe, and the people from Monroe were just defending themselves.
At this point I don't think we have enough information on what really happened, but I can't really imagine someone like Norma willingly taking part of the massacre, given that she gave Sam second chances regarding about the theft, and Sam took advantage of her trust, and she takes a diplomatic approach to reclaim her brother who is captured by Michonne and Sam, going as far as to allow one of Michonne's group take out one of her people for killing Berto.
I don't judge people based on guilt by association, but by individual, and as far as I know the only villainous things she had done was to determinantly shoot Oak for being impatience with the trade if Michonne doesn't give Randal back to her right away, and for shooting Zachary for his betrayal and his contribution to the destruction of Monroe.
Michonne and Sam, however, willingly burns down Monroe under the possible assumption that everyone from Monroe had the exact same mindset as Randal, with the exception of Zachary and Jonas, and thus deserved to die or suffer the loss of their home, especially those who have likely never met Michonne or even Sam before.
That's such a pointless choice. It's your fault Jonas shot Berto even though he dies no matter what.
Alright, I see your perspective. But Zachary is still a hero.
Why should I feel any regret on letting a murderer have a taste of his own medicine? Fuck Zachary.
Have you ever heard of an accident?
Well that is true I guess, but I wanted sam to avenge her dead brother. Didn't want the anger to bottle up in her. It was her choice to shoot him not mine, I didn't have the right to stop her imo. I let her choose and she chose to kill him. And atleast Berto died painless, with a bullet to the head by Jonas.
Why do people think it was an accident? Just cause he squeals after it, doesn't mean he didn't kill Greg in cold blood. Didn't you see that look in his eye before he shot? HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.
Randall was in the room with him, so what'd you expect?
So? It wasn't Randall who pulled the trigger and he never told him to shoot them. And if Zachary wasn't such a *** (Ben) he would tell Randall to leave him the fuck alone. It would be 4 vs 1, his chances weren't that low.
Says the Kenny fan according to your profile picture.
All right, fine, be heartless.
What says the Kenny fan? What does that have to do with anything? A lack of an argument yeah, but other than that I don't see your point.
I let Zachary die too man, I let Sam decide ( it was her brother after all) and she decided to kill him. Nothing heartless about it.
Is that how you are? Letting innocent people die?
Letting innocent people die is a common thing in the world of Walking Dead, I however don't believe Zachary was innocent at all. How about killing innocent people? Zachary could think about that, no?
It was an accident. If he was a murderer, he wouldn't try to help you get off of Monroe or sacrifice himself for you in episode 3. You disgust me.
I respect him for doing that, sadly still doesn't change the fact that he murdered Greg and started the destruction of Sam's family.
I don't think he can, considering you made a hole in his head
I'm probably just grasping at straws here, but it look like he was trying to go for Sam's shoulder or the wall behind her. I don't think he intentionally tried to shoot anyone dead here.
His eyes wander to Sam's left and then his gun before he moves his aim a bit to his right. Greg then makes the assumption that he was going to shoot her dead and jumps in the moment Zachary shoots the gun.
That's how I see it, from this GIF at least, which doesn't show the moment that Greg is shot.
It's Sam's fault. She didn't listen to her brother that stealing from Norma again is not safe. Zachary didn't start anything, he IS innocent.
He killed an innocent kid who cares. Didn't even have to pull the trigger in ep1
But better to get shot in the head than pulled apart by walkers. Which how Norma died in my game, lol as if i'd put her out of her misery
That was Sam's fault for chrissakes. She stole from them again, that's how Greg died. Zachary is innocent.
pretty much
I disagree with the following…
…because Randall was the leader's brother and second in command, so recurring to violence would've made it worse. And Randall wasn't listening to him peacefully. Despite this, I cannot agree with you more about the fact that Zachary decided to shoot.
It isn't considered an accident if the person intended to do it, @TheAutisticGamer. All evidence suggests that he consciously decided to shoot.
@RichWalk, that's an interesting way to see it, but it is just speculation. I'm sure you knew that; just pointing it out.
No, actually he isn't innocent. He wasn't the one who started it all, sure. But he had no right to murder Greg EVEN if he stole from them.
I don't think he was about to kill Sam. I felt he like he was trying to aim for the shoulder but Greg pushed him and got shot in the stomach. If he was evil, he wouldn't have helped Michonne escape Monroe or save her from Norma.
Wait if Zachary died in the first episode he wouldnt have been there to save Michonne. But Michonne wouldnt die as it's a determinant for him to be there or not. And she can't die as she's alive in the comic.
He either in my opinion dies a murderer, or get killed by a murderer (norma) killing a traitor.
Ah right, so if I steal my neighbour's food cause I'm starving and he decides to kill me because of it, he's innocent. In fact he didn't do anything wrong. Is that what you really think?
for real. no murderer is innocent