This is just ridiculous. They admit that the finale pissed off a ton of fans but they still have the balls to try to suggest that it's still an intelligent and good finale. Absolutely ridiculous to insult their fans intelligence. the finale was garbage and they should have at least owned up to it instead of trying to justify it by saying that it was to build hope or to give fans time to mourn or whatever b******* excuse they have
There do was, actually, if they shortened some scenes that did not make any difference to the story, they could do this 'cliffhanger' on episode 15, and then do the rest on episode 16.
Well, they thought everything they put in made a difference to the story. I get that people want to get straight to the action but some manner of build up is needed and I wish people wouldnt be so impatient with those things.
There do was, actually, if they shortened some scenes that did not make any difference to the story, they could do this 'cliffhanger' on episode 15, and then do the rest on episode 16.
This is just ridiculous. They admit that the finale pissed off a ton of fans but they still have the balls to try to suggest that it's still… more an intelligent and good finale. Absolutely ridiculous to insult their fans intelligence. the finale was garbage and they should have at least owned up to it instead of trying to justify it by saying that it was to build hope or to give fans time to mourn or whatever b******* excuse they have
They did built up the moment, but just broke it when they ended up not showing who died. It is not a matter of being impatient, it is like going to a restaurant, asking for a meal, when you are half way trough it they take it from you, and give it back an hour later, but then you are not hungry anymore.
Well, they thought everything they put in made a difference to the story. I get that people want to get straight to the action but some manner of build up is needed and I wish people wouldnt be so impatient with those things.
Yeah. Imagine if I told you I was going to give you a tootsie roll and I hyped up the Tootsie Roll for many weeks but then when I gave you the tootsie roll it was actually cat poop. But when you call me out on it, I insist that it is in fact just as good as a real tootsie roll and that you just don't appreciate the unique taste and texture. But in reality I just fed you shit.
That's basically how I think Gimple and Kirkman are handling this
Yeah. Imagine if I told you I was going to give you a tootsie roll and I hyped up the Tootsie Roll for many weeks but then when I gave you t… morehe tootsie roll it was actually cat poop. But when you call me out on it, I insist that it is in fact just as good as a real tootsie roll and that you just don't appreciate the unique taste and texture. But in reality I just fed you shit.
That's basically how I think Gimple and Kirkman are handling this
Now I will say that generally modern day TV viewers on the internet have reached an absurd level of self entitlement and are also pretty terrible at watching TV and understanding what is good and what isn't. Good writers don't listen to viewers and allow themselves to be bullied imo.
However, I think Kirkman has went to the other extreme with the cliffhanger. He knew that a major death in Rick's core group hadn't been seen in a while, he knew people were getting a little fed up of it, he knew that Rick's group had been killing a lot without any of them dying, he knew that people wanted to see the bad guy make his mark before the season was out. Then he goes and does... a cliffhanger? Lmao.
I dont think thats the same thing at all, and I think its pretty unfair to judge the whole episode because youre pissed off about one twenty second scene.
Yeah. Imagine if I told you I was going to give you a tootsie roll and I hyped up the Tootsie Roll for many weeks but then when I gave you t… morehe tootsie roll it was actually cat poop. But when you call me out on it, I insist that it is in fact just as good as a real tootsie roll and that you just don't appreciate the unique taste and texture. But in reality I just fed you shit.
That's basically how I think Gimple and Kirkman are handling this
It was interesting. The whole episode was stressful to see and shows how Rick can't always control everything. The final was even more for me. I haven't been that scared in the show since... forever ? I don't think I have felt that much since Shane's death really. I hate to be the one to say ''it was much better before' ( s1-s4), I still watch the show because I like it, but there was a moment I wasn't feeling it the way I used to ( it's my problem after all ). Enough for my personal feelings.
Objectively, you are just all tired of cliffangers, you wanted an answer, and an answer at this moment but I feel like the way it was made wasn't that stupid.
They tried to make us anxious during the whole episode, they slowly made Rick loose hope and confidence, showing him he was in a corner, showing us there was no way he was going away from this one. The final and the way the scenes were cut were just supposed to make us even more scared. They were fast, jumping from a person to the other, slow enough to make us think, fast enough for us to panick, because there is nothing that could get in Negan's way anymore . ( it works or it doesn't... You feel what you feel after all ). In the end they chose to give us the point of view of the character who died. Since the whole episode was supposed to make us feel what they feel, the end let us see with that person's eyes. They are scared, they just have the time to realise, hear their friend for the last time, and it's all done. What do you want ? That's it, the person is dead. You're not supposed to see more than that, you're them, you're dead.
That's the viewer who's getting lucilled, it's supposed to be like a ''slap in the face'', it's supposed to strike you, to make the whole scene as well as Negan's apparition, impactful.
And for me, it definitly was.
''The cliffhanger makes sense. Why? Because whomever got Lucilled it ended for them just like that. They got bashed in the head once, stayed up like a champion, Negan yells, “Look at that! Taking it like a champ!” Then bam a few bashes later, it’s over for whoever was murdered. The person never got to see everyone’s reaction, they just got chosen and that was it for them. Their life is no longer going to continue, They’re gone. Just black. Dead. Nothing. Silence. No one can do anything about it. Logically, if it was truly in the POV of the person who was gettin’ Lucilled, how in the hell would it continue? It would literally make no sense for it to go on, if the person was dead. Therefore, a cliffhanger in us the viewer’s eyes, but death for whomever got the swings. Their life ended, don’t blame the writer’s for the cliffhanger, if you want to blame someone blame the person who got lucilled for not being able to be superhuman & miraculously survive a bunch of bashes to the head.. See how ridiculous that sounds? Technically speaking, people need to stop taking it from their (viewer) perspective & start thinking about it from whoever got the bat’s perspective. Then maybe the cliffhanger might make a little more sense to them. It was simply in the victim’s perspective. It’s not really a cliffhanger after all, it was someone’s life coming to an end. Just my take on it '' - littledeadsusieq
Does the person's identity matter THAT much after all ? We all have our preferencies, of course, but you guys are completely missing out the whole point of the scene.
''The thing that broke my heart the most in the finale was the look of utter desperation on Rick’s face, like I know everyone is angry about the cliffhanger but the episode spoke volumes to me,I thought it was wonderfully done. The episode wasn’t about who got Lucille’d but more the fact that there’s a whole new world and Rick isn’t the top dog he thought he was, the more I think about it the less frustrated I am about how the season ended as I realise it was never about who died, just the fact that the walking dead universe is bigger than they imagined!'' - purms.
I wasn't even mad about the cliffanger, in fact, I would say I saw it coming. It didn't bother me and I can totally understand why they did that.
It bothers you anyway ? Well fine But aren't you all are a bit too harsh about it when the scene was clearly amazingly done ?
I loved seeing how broken Rick was at the finale. Carl with no emotions showing the complete opposite to his dad. When face to face with Negan, Carl was even making Negan go "lighten up kid at least cry" which I'm happy they included that from the comic! Well delivered by chandler and JDM
It was interesting. The whole episode was stressful to see and shows how Rick can't always control everything. The final was even more for m… moree. I haven't been that scared in the show since... forever ? I don't think I have felt that much since Shane's death really. I hate to be the one to say ''it was much better before' ( s1-s4), I still watch the show because I like it, but there was a moment I wasn't feeling it the way I used to ( it's my problem after all ). Enough for my personal feelings.
Objectively, you are just all tired of cliffangers, you wanted an answer, and an answer at this moment but I feel like the way it was made wasn't that stupid.
They tried to make us anxious during the whole episode, they slowly made Rick loose hope and confidence, showing him he was in a corner, showing us there was no way he was going away from this one. The final and the way the scenes were cut were just supposed to make us even more scared. They w… [view original content]
Nah honestly the ending scene is just the cherry on top of the shit sunday. The quality of the show, specifically the writing and pacing, has been tanking for several seasons now. I understand that some people still like it but you can hardly ignore the pervasive fan outrage
I dont think thats the same thing at all, and I think its pretty unfair to judge the whole episode because youre pissed off about one twenty second scene.
Personally I was fine with the cliffhanger. I didn't love it, but it was fine. I actually liked how it switched to the POV of the victim, it was like being able to imagine the fear that the scene built up if you were the character that had been chosen. It's different than the comic, but it's not the comic. It's made for TV so it will usually follow TV tropes. My mom actually loved it (mostly because she didn't want to grieve over anyone yet), and doesn't like everyone's need for immediate gratification.
I understand why people are upset over the finale, but I also understand why amc would do it. I don't think Kirkman or any of the producers are being disingenuous when they say they thought it was a good idea. Yes, he's trying to justify the ending (which anyone would do if they had an idea they thought was good), but he's still apologizing to those that are upset over it, so I don't know why people are being so cynical about his apology. You can be upset without questioning Kirkman's character.
Im not even really angry about the finale, I feel utter apathy towards it and the whole show now. I legit dont care about it at all anymore after that insulting finale. A very disappointing season that put me off it completely. I'll watch it but I dont feel i'll really enjoy it now
This is just ridiculous. They admit that the finale pissed off a ton of fans but they still have the balls to try to suggest that it's still… more an intelligent and good finale. Absolutely ridiculous to insult their fans intelligence. the finale was garbage and they should have at least owned up to it instead of trying to justify it by saying that it was to build hope or to give fans time to mourn or whatever b******* excuse they have
I like the idea of being able to watch them back to back and continue the scene as a whole.
You could do that if theyd shown it. Even on a dvd rewatch/first watch this will destroy the tension while the next episode loads
Obviously there wasnt time for that
There was easily, the walking dead is a very slow paced show to the point it bores a lot of viewers, a good show doesnt need action to hold attention but this show is really quite boring most of the time. The show really needs at least 3 fewer episodes a season there is just so much padding, it could probably do without 5.
some manner of build up is needed and I wish people wouldnt be so impatient with those things.
Yes some build up is good, 100% build up with zero payoff is not. Its not impatient for them to finish the scene tehy were building to. because really they built up to absolutely nothing.
Well, they thought everything they put in made a difference to the story. I get that people want to get straight to the action but some manner of build up is needed and I wish people wouldnt be so impatient with those things.
I can wait for season 7 as can anyone the problem is a lot of people are not bothered at all, the show has soured people towards it. I dont care who they kill at this point
I can wait for season 7 as can anyone the problem is a lot of people are not bothered at all, the show has soured people towards it. I dont care who they kill at this point
I enjoyed the episode, I liked Negan. Was annoyed at the cliffhanger. I'm still gunna watch the show as I enjoy it.
We're at the point where people just argue between hate and like. Trying to prove their point both sides, but people's minds are set.
I think if you don't enjoy it just stop, if you still like it watch it. If you're one of the 'I'm so done with TWD' don't watch it! And don't say you're gunna stop then come back because you hear things about it etc..
I understand why people hate the cliffhanger and the whole episode. I enjoyed the episode and season but was annoyed and stuff but the cliffhanger
I don't think I should hate how Season 6 finale was handled. The only thing which I liked the most about the finale was the introduction of Trevor Phillips (Steven Ogg's character being one of Negan's right-hand men). It was the first time I see Steven playing a character in a TV show. This character deserves development in Season 7, I like him more than Negan to be honest. Hope he will last longer.
I don't think I should hate how Season 6 finale was handled. The only thing which I liked the most about the finale was the introduction of … moreTrevor Phillips (Steven Ogg's character being one of Negan's right-hand men). It was the first time I see Steven playing a character in a TV show. This character deserves development in Season 7, I like him more than Negan to be honest. Hope he will last longer.
This has undoubtedly been the worst season for the 'this episode will be nothing until the last 5 minutes' and 'wait until next week'
The Glenn fake-out was one of the biggest backfires of the show's history and the mid-season finale was criticised for having zero tension, but of course, come back in 3 months to see the pay-off. So they think it'll work a 3rd time?
It seems like the writers don't trust fans to come back to the show if they don't throw a carrot for next episode. It's seriously abusing my loyalty to the show and really patronising. They're making every episode like the comics, and it's not translating at all well to the screen. I want an episode finished in 60 minutes, not a week, not 3 months, and not 6 months. I don't know whether the writers have lost their balls to write shocking stuff, or if they just think they're been clever, but either way, the writer's have made terrible judgements this season and have lost touch with the fans, there needs to be a big change.
And yes Kirkman, I AM afraid.... I'm afraid that the show's going to cock up it's biggest villain and the show's would-be redeeming plot. You've already messed up his intro
Nah honestly the ending scene is just the cherry on top of the shit sunday. The quality of the show, specifically the writing and pacing, ha… mores been tanking for several seasons now. I understand that some people still like it but you can hardly ignore the pervasive fan outrage
Im not even really angry about the finale, I feel utter apathy towards it and the whole show now. I legit dont care about it at all anymore … moreafter that insulting finale. A very disappointing season that put me off it completely. I'll watch it but I dont feel i'll really enjoy it now
Im talking about if they chose a less iconic moment that people werent talking about months before it aired. There was so much building up and thats partly why people are so pissed. If it was something else, I dont know if would have the same impact, but who knows.
I wonder what kind of deal Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul made. They let the Fbombs fly. Muted for the network though. I dont know why they dont do that.
I wonder what kind of deal Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul made. They let the Fbombs fly. Muted for the network though. I dont know why they dont do that.
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This is just ridiculous. They admit that the finale pissed off a ton of fans but they still have the balls to try to suggest that it's still an intelligent and good finale. Absolutely ridiculous to insult their fans intelligence. the finale was garbage and they should have at least owned up to it instead of trying to justify it by saying that it was to build hope or to give fans time to mourn or whatever b******* excuse they have
There do was, actually, if they shortened some scenes that did not make any difference to the story, they could do this 'cliffhanger' on episode 15, and then do the rest on episode 16.
AMC would have to pay lots of fines every time the episode is aired, because it is against the regulating organization's rules.
Well, they thought everything they put in made a difference to the story. I get that people want to get straight to the action but some manner of build up is needed and I wish people wouldnt be so impatient with those things.
That one cliffhanger makes the whole finale garbage?
I think so too. I enjoy watching him grow up on the show.
They did built up the moment, but just broke it when they ended up not showing who died. It is not a matter of being impatient, it is like going to a restaurant, asking for a meal, when you are half way trough it they take it from you, and give it back an hour later, but then you are not hungry anymore.
Yeah. Imagine if I told you I was going to give you a tootsie roll and I hyped up the Tootsie Roll for many weeks but then when I gave you the tootsie roll it was actually cat poop. But when you call me out on it, I insist that it is in fact just as good as a real tootsie roll and that you just don't appreciate the unique taste and texture. But in reality I just fed you shit.
That's basically how I think Gimple and Kirkman are handling this
Cat poop tootsie roll haha. Interesting analogy
Now I will say that generally modern day TV viewers on the internet have reached an absurd level of self entitlement and are also pretty terrible at watching TV and understanding what is good and what isn't. Good writers don't listen to viewers and allow themselves to be bullied imo.
However, I think Kirkman has went to the other extreme with the cliffhanger. He knew that a major death in Rick's core group hadn't been seen in a while, he knew people were getting a little fed up of it, he knew that Rick's group had been killing a lot without any of them dying, he knew that people wanted to see the bad guy make his mark before the season was out. Then he goes and does... a cliffhanger? Lmao.
Hm, I think saying they only did this because they ran out of time is a pretty weak argument (and contradicts what Kirkman says above, really).
I don't think people would be indifferent about a major character dying?
That wasnt what I was saying.
I dont think thats the same thing at all, and I think its pretty unfair to judge the whole episode because youre pissed off about one twenty second scene.
It was interesting. The whole episode was stressful to see and shows how Rick can't always control everything. The final was even more for me. I haven't been that scared in the show since... forever ? I don't think I have felt that much since Shane's death really. I hate to be the one to say ''it was much better before' ( s1-s4), I still watch the show because I like it, but there was a moment I wasn't feeling it the way I used to ( it's my problem after all ). Enough for my personal feelings.
Objectively, you are just all tired of cliffangers, you wanted an answer, and an answer at this moment but I feel like the way it was made wasn't that stupid.
They tried to make us anxious during the whole episode, they slowly made Rick loose hope and confidence, showing him he was in a corner, showing us there was no way he was going away from this one. The final and the way the scenes were cut were just supposed to make us even more scared. They were fast, jumping from a person to the other, slow enough to make us think, fast enough for us to panick, because there is nothing that could get in Negan's way anymore . ( it works or it doesn't... You feel what you feel after all ). In the end they chose to give us the point of view of the character who died. Since the whole episode was supposed to make us feel what they feel, the end let us see with that person's eyes. They are scared, they just have the time to realise, hear their friend for the last time, and it's all done. What do you want ? That's it, the person is dead. You're not supposed to see more than that, you're them, you're dead.
That's the viewer who's getting lucilled, it's supposed to be like a ''slap in the face'', it's supposed to strike you, to make the whole scene as well as Negan's apparition, impactful.
And for me, it definitly was.
''The cliffhanger makes sense. Why? Because whomever got Lucilled it ended for them just like that. They got bashed in the head once, stayed up like a champion, Negan yells, “Look at that! Taking it like a champ!” Then bam a few bashes later, it’s over for whoever was murdered. The person never got to see everyone’s reaction, they just got chosen and that was it for them. Their life is no longer going to continue, They’re gone. Just black. Dead. Nothing. Silence. No one can do anything about it. Logically, if it was truly in the POV of the person who was gettin’ Lucilled, how in the hell would it continue? It would literally make no sense for it to go on, if the person was dead. Therefore, a cliffhanger in us the viewer’s eyes, but death for whomever got the swings. Their life ended, don’t blame the writer’s for the cliffhanger, if you want to blame someone blame the person who got lucilled for not being able to be superhuman & miraculously survive a bunch of bashes to the head.. See how ridiculous that sounds? Technically speaking, people need to stop taking it from their (viewer) perspective & start thinking about it from whoever got the bat’s perspective. Then maybe the cliffhanger might make a little more sense to them. It was simply in the victim’s perspective. It’s not really a cliffhanger after all, it was someone’s life coming to an end. Just my take on it '' - littledeadsusieq
Does the person's identity matter THAT much after all ? We all have our preferencies, of course, but you guys are completely missing out the whole point of the scene.
''The thing that broke my heart the most in the finale was the look of utter desperation on Rick’s face, like I know everyone is angry about the cliffhanger but the episode spoke volumes to me,I thought it was wonderfully done. The episode wasn’t about who got Lucille’d but more the fact that there’s a whole new world and Rick isn’t the top dog he thought he was, the more I think about it the less frustrated I am about how the season ended as I realise it was never about who died, just the fact that the walking dead universe is bigger than they imagined!'' - purms.
I wasn't even mad about the cliffanger, in fact, I would say I saw it coming. It didn't bother me and I can totally understand why they did that.
But aren't you all are a bit too harsh about it when the scene was clearly amazingly done ?
It bothers you anyway ? Well fine
( Thanks Duck-Hunt, I felt lonely in here )
Good points.
I loved seeing how broken Rick was at the finale. Carl with no emotions showing the complete opposite to his dad. When face to face with Negan, Carl was even making Negan go "lighten up kid at least cry" which I'm happy they included that from the comic! Well delivered by chandler and JDM
Nah honestly the ending scene is just the cherry on top of the shit sunday. The quality of the show, specifically the writing and pacing, has been tanking for several seasons now. I understand that some people still like it but you can hardly ignore the pervasive fan outrage
Honestly I don't understand all the hate.
Personally I was fine with the cliffhanger. I didn't love it, but it was fine. I actually liked how it switched to the POV of the victim, it was like being able to imagine the fear that the scene built up if you were the character that had been chosen. It's different than the comic, but it's not the comic. It's made for TV so it will usually follow TV tropes. My mom actually loved it (mostly because she didn't want to grieve over anyone yet), and doesn't like everyone's need for immediate gratification.
I understand why people are upset over the finale, but I also understand why amc would do it. I don't think Kirkman or any of the producers are being disingenuous when they say they thought it was a good idea. Yes, he's trying to justify the ending (which anyone would do if they had an idea they thought was good), but he's still apologizing to those that are upset over it, so I don't know why people are being so cynical about his apology. You can be upset without questioning Kirkman's character.
I thought the episode was one of the best, and I don't get why cliffhangers are somehow bad all of a sudden.
Im not even really angry about the finale, I feel utter apathy towards it and the whole show now. I legit dont care about it at all anymore after that insulting finale. A very disappointing season that put me off it completely. I'll watch it but I dont feel i'll really enjoy it now
I was kinda pissed about the finale but I'm fine with that, I wasn't that angry.
That's fine you are free to feel that way like I said, I'm just expressing my own perspective
You could do that if theyd shown it. Even on a dvd rewatch/first watch this will destroy the tension while the next episode loads
There was easily, the walking dead is a very slow paced show to the point it bores a lot of viewers, a good show doesnt need action to hold attention but this show is really quite boring most of the time. The show really needs at least 3 fewer episodes a season there is just so much padding, it could probably do without 5.
Yes some build up is good, 100% build up with zero payoff is not. Its not impatient for them to finish the scene tehy were building to. because really they built up to absolutely nothing.
I can wait for Season 7 since I'm planning to play Uncharted 4 and the multiplayer for days.
I can wait for season 7 as can anyone the problem is a lot of people are not bothered at all, the show has soured people towards it. I dont care who they kill at this point
I guess. I wouldn't even be surprised if it was Daryl or Glenn.
I enjoyed the episode, I liked Negan. Was annoyed at the cliffhanger. I'm still gunna watch the show as I enjoy it.
We're at the point where people just argue between hate and like. Trying to prove their point both sides, but people's minds are set.
I think if you don't enjoy it just stop, if you still like it watch it. If you're one of the 'I'm so done with TWD' don't watch it! And don't say you're gunna stop then come back because you hear things about it etc..
I understand why people hate the cliffhanger and the whole episode. I enjoyed the episode and season but was annoyed and stuff but the cliffhanger
I don't think I should hate how Season 6 finale was handled. The only thing which I liked the most about the finale was the introduction of Trevor Phillips (Steven Ogg's character being one of Negan's right-hand men). It was the first time I see Steven playing a character in a TV show. This character deserves development in Season 7, I like him more than Negan to be honest. Hope he will last longer.
Steven was in Better Call Saul dude
Well I didn't watch that movie. How should I have heard it anyway?
Its the saul goodman spin off/prequel show to breaking bad
This has undoubtedly been the worst season for the 'this episode will be nothing until the last 5 minutes' and 'wait until next week'
The Glenn fake-out was one of the biggest backfires of the show's history and the mid-season finale was criticised for having zero tension, but of course, come back in 3 months to see the pay-off. So they think it'll work a 3rd time?
It seems like the writers don't trust fans to come back to the show if they don't throw a carrot for next episode. It's seriously abusing my loyalty to the show and really patronising. They're making every episode like the comics, and it's not translating at all well to the screen. I want an episode finished in 60 minutes, not a week, not 3 months, and not 6 months. I don't know whether the writers have lost their balls to write shocking stuff, or if they just think they're been clever, but either way, the writer's have made terrible judgements this season and have lost touch with the fans, there needs to be a big change.
And yes Kirkman, I AM afraid.... I'm afraid that the show's going to cock up it's biggest villain and the show's would-be redeeming plot. You've already messed up his intro
No you cant ignore fan outrage because its so prevalent. Whether its justified is a different story.
Then why watch it? You dont have to.
Im guessing because one, we didnt get to see the cargage, and two, the subverted people's expectations.
And he was hilarious in it.
Im talking about if they chose a less iconic moment that people werent talking about months before it aired. There was so much building up and thats partly why people are so pissed. If it was something else, I dont know if would have the same impact, but who knows.
I wonder what kind of deal Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul made. They let the Fbombs fly. Muted for the network though. I dont know why they dont do that.
As long as they mute it, I think they're alright. Maybe they thought it would take people out of the scene? I know I personally would mind it.
If it's rated M18+ why the fuck can't the show contain mediate and above swearing
That's my question