every time they fight about her ...
CuteClem
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Hey guys, I came back ... I'm really sorry if I hurt anyone, and his opinion and I love you (:
I noticed something interesting: there are always fights for Clementine, if it is related to her education, if it is related to those who grow her, who would take care of her ... the first season was awakened to Lee many times, Christa, Chuck, Vernon .. that they want grow her, so do not educate, what do you do with a child age 8? This second season even more apparent: Luke and Kenny constantly competing for her attention, Jane and Kenny its competitors on education (as it did not drink alcohol, and Jane gave her to drink it), Even Walter, try to somehow take be under his protection and teach her things (he was a teacher), People are trying to take her for themselves, Almost everyone wants her and her attention, this is something very noticeable ... but no one would take care of her like Lee 
but! There are people who themselves love Clementine, painted. One of them is the Bonnie ... When Clem did not try to advance to Luke and save him (the situation of the ice), I understand the anger of the Bonnie, if she did not have notes, "because you're a pretty little girl, no one would blame you ..." or something like that. She never loved Clem, and I think she was even jealous about the attention that Luke gives her.
sorry for my english ... what do you think?
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Lilly would do a better job to take care of Clementine. (Besides Lee)
Why?
Lily shot Carly/Doug point blank in the face, on nothing but blind suspicion, with almost no provocation whatsoever. Then after that, if you allow her to stay with you, she abandons you all on the side of the road (Clem included) and steals your RV. Without a single thought for Clem.
In fact im hard pressed to recall a single significant conversation that Lily had with Clem or even about her. So what makes you think that Lily would make a good 'guardian' to Clem? Or that she gives a fuck about her at all?
welp, you got me there. I was wrong, but who do you think is better to take care of clementine?
Luke, Pete
Well, she did give her some hair thingies for sleeping. And she said that she'll take care of her while Lee went to confront Andy St. John
Also, she saved the whole group from the bandit raid at the motor inn despite of having no one left to care about.
I'm not defending what she did, I'm just pointing out that despite of being in serious trauma she continued to act rationally...until THAT point.
I think nobody fights about taking care of her because they realize that she can take care of herself. I mean, it's pretty evident that she can in S1E5, S1E1 and S2E5.
It's not about that she could take care of herself, people want her and develop her sense of motherly \ fatherly. She an amazing girl very well behaved, who would not want a child like that? It's not about the fact that she is very mature for her age (most of the time.).
I don't think Luke. He put the group in danger in episode 4 including Clementine without any regrets. Instead of doing his job to spot any walkers nearby to let the group know about it, he gets laid with Jane.
There are problems with everyone in some way, its more personal preference who you think is best
She hid in a treehouse, she would have ended up like that attic kid in around every corner is someone hadnt found her
Kidnapped and has to be rescued. Indirectly causes the death of her caretaker
S2 E1
savaged by a feral dog within half an hour
She was on her own here for maybe a minute or two and that was just walking in the snow
ok?
She can take care of herself short-term, like if she's with a group of people. But solo? For an extended period of time? Yeah, no.
It's not about that she could take care of herself, people want her and develop her sense of motherly \ fatherly. She an amazing girl very well behaved, who would not want a child like that? It's not about the fact that she is very mature for her age (most of the time.).
Same for Kenny. He didn't give a fuck about her in Season 1 when they were in Savannah. And Lilly had more intereaction with Clem in Season 1. She gave her hairbands and also was seen spending time with her on the video Joleene had.
Lily shot Carly/Doug point blank in the face, on nothing but blind suspicion, with almost no provocation whatsoever. Then after that, if you allow her to stay with you, she abandons you all on the side of the road (Clem included) and steals your RV. Without a single thought for Clem.
Well her dad just got brutally murdererd infront, of her eyes by Kenny a few days beforehand.
So i think, it had a little bit more to do with that, then just blind suspicion.
She was just in a really dark place, at the moment of shooting Doug/Carley, and then after the mess with the bandits.
She just lost it, so i don't blame her for shooting Doug/Carley sure it was a horrible act.
But Kenny by killing Larry started, a terrible chain of events, so in my opinon that blood is on his hands aswell.
Also the fact she steals the RV, i think she did that because she was so shocked that she herself, committed such a terrible thing.
And tought of herself as dangerous, so she left the group to in her opinion protect them from herself.
In fact im hard pressed to recall a single significant conversation that Lily had with Clem or even about her. So what makes you think that Lily would make a good 'guardian' to Clem? Or that she gives a fuck about her at all?
She gave Clementine, the hair-clips remember?
Also she show's she is concerned about Clementine.
Cause she tells to Lee, when they have the conversation about, that she thinks someone is stealing supplies what if Clementine, might get sick sometime, there wouldn't be any medication.
Lilly is responsible for that, Kenny set her up to be so unstable but you cant blame him for what she chooses to do/
Well i think i can blame Kenny for that.
He murdered her father, in such a brutal way right infront of her.
And the problem, with the bandits just gave her the final push, to make a very huge mistake.
After that, she just wasn't able to make rational choices annymore which resulted in the shooting, of Carley/Doug.
So i dont see, her as responsible for doing such a terrible thing, as i said before Kenny started a horrible chain of events, by killing Larry.
Also, i respect your opinion
But this is just, how i feel about the shooting of Doug/Carley.
Kenny started it sure but I dont feel you can blame Kenny for Lilly shooting carley or ben
Fair point
But i think, if you commit such a horrible murder as Kenny did by smashing Larry's face with a saltlick.
Infront of the man's own daughter.
You can be held responssible, for the other terrible things such a action will set in motion.
All I can say is that while Kenny was the one who started the turn of events regarding about the death of Larry, causing Lilly's instability and paranoia to her group, Lilly was the one who chose to execute the wrong suspect by her own choice.
Both of them were responsible for how the RV execution incident played out in their own way.
Pete has parenting skills, and is shown as an overall moral person, which helps when it comes to saving a girl's skin as compared to saving his own. He is a capable survivor, regularly going to fish and hunt. He also has leadership abilities, which, you know, comes in handy.
Luke, err… I don't really think he'd make a good caretaker.
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Your right Uncle Pete, would have been the best care-taker for Clementine
I was under the impression while playing, ep1 of S2 that he would kinda gonna be going to play that role.
But sadly, they killed him off way to soon.
Also he would, have been the only person from the cabin group i think who would have said.
" Hell no that ain't happening. "
If the group, came up with a crazy plan like, letting Clementine cross a bridge full of walkers.
Or lifting her up, to the roof off the hardware store, to get them all out off Carver's bootcamp.
thank you for great answers!
No problem CuteClem
Good to have you back, on the forum you made a interesting topic again !
Thank you again! I know you do not really love Clementine, but it does not matter to me, I love you XD
Well people (especially this community) fight/argue over what's best for her all the time. The game represents us basically.
I agree with @A-IBRAHIM0702. This was all on Jane.
Hehe my username cannot be tagged
Sorry, meant Season 2 Episode 1.
I meant what we didn't see on screen. Between Savanah and finding Omid and Christa.
Not her fault, and she DID take care of herself before and after that as well. You and I both know that neither of us would have the balls to stitch up a wound by ourselves.
Meant the 9 Days Later scene in the alone ending. They were still alive after those 9 days, but clearly she was able to handle herself.
I suppose so, but I prefer Clementine when the clearly inferior adults aren't destroying her character. (Seriously, how is she the smartest one there?)
Was Larry even alive though? Lily was trying (unsuccessfully) to resuscitate him after a heart attack. What if he came back as a walker and attacked Lily? I'm not justifying what Kenny did, but I don't know if it was murder.....
I don't think we'll ever know for sure, but what I am sure about is that there's a big difference between absolutely making sure that Larry was truly dead and thus impossible to resuscitate, and ensuring that Lilly knew this before deciding to prevent her dad from reanimated. And then there's immediately attempting to drop a heavy object on Larry's head in front of his daughter just as soon as he collapsed while she's trying to revive him, without any consideration for her mental state and without even checking to see if he's really alive or not, and which can be done right in front of an unsuspecting eight year old girl who hadn't have the time to look away.
To Luke's credit, he seems like the kind of guy that'd have a generally good influence on Clementine, and share a positive relationship with her (and no, not in that way, don't even go there... even though I technically went there already, but whatever). A brother figure of sorts. But as a caretaker? Yeah, probably not the best choice. Being a good influence on a kid is one thing, and actually taking care of one is another. You might be able to get along well and teach them some good values and all that, but that's a far cry from actually being able to care for them.
That's what I was thinking. One thing is to get on well, another is to be a good influence, and another one is to be a good caretaker. To put it as a simple example, I don't think Kenny is a good influence for Clementine, but I don't doubt that he'd be a relatively good caretaker for her.
At this point? Herself. There is not a single one of them that are any more capable than she is.
I had forgotten about the hairties. I completely agree about Kenny though. Never been a fan.