I feel like you're giving far too much importance to numbers and norms, not enough to context, experiences and individuality. Maybe it's because I am young that I remember going to history class and learning about children being resourceful pretty young ? Maybe it's because I am actually young that I know everyone is not exactly the same and that it's better for fictional fantasies to be fictional than practiced in real life . You're far too obsessed with the idea of people being separated in groups depending on their age to actually realise what's affecting a person's maturity, and that maturity itself is touching different areas, showing some kids more mature than adults depending on where they live, when, and surrounded by who. It can lead you to run out of argument, and saying I am too young to discuss it.
In the end, let's just agree to disagree.
I will never get over what happened between Omid and Christa and I won't let that happen to Clem.
Oh my god, what have I become!!! I sound like a bad parent!!!
It's not about running out of argument. It's recognizing that you cannot possibly see it from a grown mans perspective because you are not a grown man. I cannot see it from a senior citizens perspective, or a woman's perspective, or a dogs perspective because I'm not actually any of those. When you reach adulthood you will recognize what I'm talking about.
We are not talking about a black person getting with a white person. We are talking about a sexually mature, fully developed man being romantically involved with an undeveloped child. This isn't about social norms, but about psychology. A matured, and mentally stable man will not have romantic feelings for an 11 year old girl.
I feel like you're giving far too much importance to numbers and norms, not enough to context, experiences and individuality. Maybe it's bec… moreause I am young that I remember going to history class and learning about children being resourceful pretty young ? Maybe it's because I am actually young that I know everyone is not exactly the same and that it's better for fictional fantasies to be fictional than practiced in real life . You're far too obsessed with the idea of people being separated in groups depending on their age to actually realise what's affecting a person's maturity, and that maturity itself is touching different areas, showing some kids more mature than adults depending on where they live, when, and surrounded by who. It can lead you to run out of argument, and saying I am too young to discuss it.
In the end, let's just agree to disagree.
Okay. Then when I'll be a ''grown woman'' I'll try to rethink things through. We never know what I am going to think then. I doubt it will change my point of view, since the more I grow up, the less my opinion seems to fit the popular opinion you have, but I can't know right now. The fact is that I am not attracted to eleven years old boys, not because they are eleven years old, but because we wouldn't be able to discuss like you and I are doing now. That's why I think it's more about what's happening inside their heads than age itself and that if it is, sometimes, about age itself it's because we are taught it's wrong to date children, so in the end we won't. And where we both live, it's probably better not to, for obvious reasons.
Okay, I will leave you to it, since we won't agree, and we probably never will ( I don't even think we have the same perception of a relationship ). During the XVII century, I am pretty sure sexually mature, fully developed man might indeed, be interested romantically to undeveloped child ( yes it was forced marriage, no not all forced marriage end up with the two hating each other ), so it means it's possible for them to be.
The only question I have to ask is what exactly is for you the age of a person whish would get them to suddenly be ''lovable'' for a 27 years old man born in a western society ?
That's my last question, because I am curious, I'll leave you alone after ^^.
Bye. ~
It's not about running out of argument. It's recognizing that you cannot possibly see it from a grown mans perspective because you are not … morea grown man. I cannot see it from a senior citizens perspective, or a woman's perspective, or a dogs perspective because I'm not actually any of those. When you reach adulthood you will recognize what I'm talking about.
We are not talking about a black person getting with a white person. We are talking about a sexually mature, fully developed man being romantically involved with an undeveloped child. This isn't about social norms, but about psychology. A matured, and mentally stable man will not have romantic feelings for an 11 year old girl.
The only question I have to ask is what exactly is for you the age of a person whish would get them to suddenly be ''lovable'' for a 27 years old man born in a western society ? That's my last question, because I am curious, I'll leave you alone after ^^. Bye. ~
Big questions because of biology, psychology, morality, and social norms. It's a highly debatable subject.
There are huge differences between love, biological attraction, lust, and a control disorder. Strictly from a biological stand point is when a woman develops breasts letting a male know she can have children, and feed a new born baby. So 14 or older. But "love" is not just about sexual capability but about personal chemistry, being able to relate, and protecting someone. So you have to ask yourself if a man of 27 is really looking out for a girls best interest if he's getting involved with someone so young. It's unlikely he's putting her first. I'd say 16 was the youngest, and even that is probably a bad idea.
Okay. Then when I'll be a ''grown woman'' I'll try to rethink things through. We never know what I am going to think then. I doubt it will c… morehange my point of view, since the more I grow up, the less my opinion seems to fit the popular opinion you have, but I can't know right now. The fact is that I am not attracted to eleven years old boys, not because they are eleven years old, but because we wouldn't be able to discuss like you and I are doing now. That's why I think it's more about what's happening inside their heads than age itself and that if it is, sometimes, about age itself it's because we are taught it's wrong to date children, so in the end we won't. And where we both live, it's probably better not to, for obvious reasons.
Okay, I will leave you to it, since we won't agree, and we probably never will ( I don't even think we have the same perception of a relationship ). During the XVII century, I am pretty sure sexually mature, fu… [view original content]
I will never get over what happened between Omid and Christa and I won't let that happen to Clem.
Uh, the part where they fell in lo… moreve?
Or maybe the part where they had sex in an abandoned pitstop restroom in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, when there was a nine-year-old next door?
I think it would be appropriate for Clementine to have a crush. I dont believe in the "theyre too busy killing walkers to have relationships" business. They could sprinkle that in without it being the focus of the season.
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'' A 27 year old hooking up with an 11 year old isn't about love ''
Okay but like...what is ''love'' ?
That's my main… more problem about you guys opposition. Did I once mentioned anything about sex in my comment ? A relationship is not made of sex, most of the time, I wouldn't even say it's made of love. She did have a ''crush'' on him though, a crush children have for handsome tall guys. Innocent kind of crush. She would like to hug him, hold his hand, stuff like that, nothing beyond.
''Love is a feeling of attachment, devotion, affection for someone. It’s wanting to be by their side, respecting them and appreciating them. It’s knowing them, even their mistakes and really caring for them regardless of their flaws. Physical intimacy may be part of it, of course, but it’s not a rule. Love is about emotions. Two people can mutually love and be committed to each other without having an actual sexual relationship.'' seven cit… [view original content]
I think Clem's got more important things to worry about than a love interest at the moment.
EDIT: I actually find it hilarious that people in this thread say "Lee probably won't approve" like for some reason it makes me giggle.
No, because a stupid and ridiculous fucking romance subplot between two 14 year olds would just be awkward and probably lead me to hating S3 with a fiery passion. I don't want to see that crap.
I really don't want to see Clementine have a relationship. A crush I wouldn't mind, but an actual romance is going a bit too far. But if Telltale is so heart set on doing it, the least they can do is make it optional and not force it upon us.
No, because as far as I know her sexuality hasn't been discussed. And I like it to be left that why. The only way I would want a romance for Clem, is if the player can choose her sexuality.
In season 3 she would be about 14. Carl is 13 right now in the comic. Carl was 7 turning 8 at the start of the outbreak, Clem was 8 turning 9 at the start of the outbreak.
This happens time after time with child stars and characters. People do not want them to grow up. I am sure that whatever they do or do not do as far as a romance would never be accepted by everyone. And these people will be very vocal and angry. This season will take place when she is 14...this is when your first real romantic attachments happen, the first of many in a person's life. So the question I put to the people who will complain is this...would you really want your sure to be short life devoid of love and chances to be happy? I am not advocating a dating simulator mind you...but if it fits in the story...then so be it.
I really don't see any harm in her having a little crush on someone throughout this season. It can be subtle, like little hints that she has feelings for another character (male or female doesn't matter). If they can pull it off, sure, why not?
No, because as far as I know her sexuality hasn't been discussed. And I like it to be left that why. The only way I would want a romance for Clem, is if the player can choose her sexuality.
It's not something that I want to see, but I wouldn't hate the season because of it. As long as it isn't awkward or forced or anything, I guess it's alright. I feel like this sort of thing should be optional though. Like someone said, Clementine will be around 14 which is a time when a kid wants to explore a relationship of some kind. I guess in a world like that relationships are something rare and beautiful because of how fast a life can be taken. So, yeah, I guess. I don't loathe the idea of a romance or anything, but I don't love it. If it's done well or is optional, than I really don't have a problem. I just think it would feel kind of weird for he player though. And by romance if you mean an "adult romance", then no. Kill that with fire.
I.HATE.CARL. He is a dumbass who thinks he is a toughass but in reality he is a dumbass and clem is a LOT more tougher than him she survived 3 days alone and he wouldn't have survived 3 sec without his daddy. He caused the death of many good characters like holly and Ezekiel and many more to save his girlfriend and not to forget dale died because of him too
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Quite the contrarian, are we? :P
This is one of those things you don't get to try to make a point about. It's just dumb.
Eh, yeah.
I feel like you're giving far too much importance to numbers and norms, not enough to context, experiences and individuality. Maybe it's because I am young that I remember going to history class and learning about children being resourceful pretty young ? Maybe it's because I am actually young that I know everyone is not exactly the same and that it's better for fictional fantasies to be fictional than practiced in real life . You're far too obsessed with the idea of people being separated in groups depending on their age to actually realise what's affecting a person's maturity, and that maturity itself is touching different areas, showing some kids more mature than adults depending on where they live, when, and surrounded by who. It can lead you to run out of argument, and saying I am too young to discuss it.
In the end, let's just agree to disagree.
Uh, the part where they fell in love?
Or maybe the part where they had sex in an abandoned pitstop restroom in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, when there was a nine-year-old next door?
It's not about running out of argument. It's recognizing that you cannot possibly see it from a grown mans perspective because you are not a grown man. I cannot see it from a senior citizens perspective, or a woman's perspective, or a dogs perspective because I'm not actually any of those. When you reach adulthood you will recognize what I'm talking about.
We are not talking about a black person getting with a white person. We are talking about a sexually mature, fully developed man being romantically involved with an undeveloped child. This isn't about social norms, but about psychology. A matured, and mentally stable man will not have romantic feelings for an 11 year old girl.
The apple juice box is Clementine's only love, nothing else should fall in between!
Okay, I will leave you to it, since we won't agree, and we probably never will ( I don't even think we have the same perception of a relationship ). During the XVII century, I am pretty sure sexually mature, fully developed man might indeed, be interested romantically to undeveloped child ( yes it was forced marriage, no not all forced marriage end up with the two hating each other ), so it means it's possible for them to be.
The only question I have to ask is what exactly is for you the age of a person whish would get them to suddenly be ''lovable'' for a 27 years old man born in a western society ?
That's my last question, because I am curious, I'll leave you alone after ^^.
Bye. ~
Big questions because of biology, psychology, morality, and social norms. It's a highly debatable subject.
There are huge differences between love, biological attraction, lust, and a control disorder. Strictly from a biological stand point is when a woman develops breasts letting a male know she can have children, and feed a new born baby. So 14 or older. But "love" is not just about sexual capability but about personal chemistry, being able to relate, and protecting someone. So you have to ask yourself if a man of 27 is really looking out for a girls best interest if he's getting involved with someone so young. It's unlikely he's putting her first. I'd say 16 was the youngest, and even that is probably a bad idea.
The part where apparently love doesn't exist anymore. I don't want to bar her from loving someone. But we know what happens to comic Glenn.
That's why I said the last line, I know it's unreasonable. But hey if I have the choice I'm not getting close to a love interest.
Unless it's Rhysha. I'm cool with that.
Now all I'm thinking about is Greg peeing his pants
Oh god no, what the fuck did I just imagine... R34 Clementine × Apple juice box
You can kill me now.
clementine's romance for what? so telltale can kill the character later? no thanks
Thanks Shroomii
Clementine's a girl, so…
Didn't you play Tales from the Borderlands? ^^
(?) Girls can be bros too!
I think it would be appropriate for Clementine to have a crush. I dont believe in the "theyre too busy killing walkers to have relationships" business. They could sprinkle that in without it being the focus of the season.
I saw Cluke on the first page. Was like "Nope. I'm out"
Why not. She's human, everyone gets crushes. But if you're talking about something more serious than that, then no.
Way too accurate.
Please reevaluate what you post before you post it haha
uhhhhh.....
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Lmfao they're using lee as an excuse for their own views
No just No!
No. She's a kid. Why don't you have a seat over there?
Maybe if there's a 14 year old version of Luke
No, because a stupid and ridiculous fucking romance subplot between two 14 year olds would just be awkward and probably lead me to hating S3 with a fiery passion. I don't want to see that crap.
I really don't want to see Clementine have a relationship. A crush I wouldn't mind, but an actual romance is going a bit too far. But if Telltale is so heart set on doing it, the least they can do is make it optional and not force it upon us.
I mean Carl is having sex in the comics and he is younger than Clementine, so a relationship is not out of the question.
What, and add more depth to Clem's extremely uninteresting and destructive character? Nah.
Younger? Isn't Clementine like 11-ish?
A lot of people here obsessed with a preteen romance. It's like. Who wants to play as a preteen girl having kissing QTEs with a boy.
No, because as far as I know her sexuality hasn't been discussed. And I like it to be left that why. The only way I would want a romance for Clem, is if the player can choose her sexuality.
In season 3 she would be about 14. Carl is 13 right now in the comic. Carl was 7 turning 8 at the start of the outbreak, Clem was 8 turning 9 at the start of the outbreak.
This happens time after time with child stars and characters. People do not want them to grow up. I am sure that whatever they do or do not do as far as a romance would never be accepted by everyone. And these people will be very vocal and angry. This season will take place when she is 14...this is when your first real romantic attachments happen, the first of many in a person's life. So the question I put to the people who will complain is this...would you really want your sure to be short life devoid of love and chances to be happy? I am not advocating a dating simulator mind you...but if it fits in the story...then so be it.
I really don't see any harm in her having a little crush on someone throughout this season. It can be subtle, like little hints that she has feelings for another character (male or female doesn't matter). If they can pull it off, sure, why not?
you cannot choose sexuality, technically in real life and watching Clem as a lesbian would be awkward as effed
It's not something that I want to see, but I wouldn't hate the season because of it. As long as it isn't awkward or forced or anything, I guess it's alright. I feel like this sort of thing should be optional though. Like someone said, Clementine will be around 14 which is a time when a kid wants to explore a relationship of some kind. I guess in a world like that relationships are something rare and beautiful because of how fast a life can be taken. So, yeah, I guess. I don't loathe the idea of a romance or anything, but I don't love it. If it's done well or is optional, than I really don't have a problem. I just think it would feel kind of weird for he player though. And by romance if you mean an "adult romance", then no. Kill that with fire.
I.HATE.CARL. He is a dumbass who thinks he is a toughass but in reality he is a dumbass and clem is a LOT more tougher than him she survived 3 days alone and he wouldn't have survived 3 sec without his daddy. He caused the death of many good characters like holly and Ezekiel and many more to save his girlfriend and not to forget dale died because of him too