Which traitor makes more sense to you?
I think Duncan makes more sense as the traitor. Duncan says he thought what he did was for the good of the house, while Royland says he did it because he thought Rodrik was weak.
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Maester Ortengryn
Yeah, that woulda made more sense.
Fine, then Duncan easily. Royland is way too harsh and proud about it but Duncan did it out of desperation and he thought he was doing right by Gregor.
Duncan makes more sense. He wanted you to submit to the Whitehills and basically allow yourself to be humiliated, and has already shown that he is willing to go behind the Lord's back (sending Gared to the Wall)
Royland of course. The man is (in my playthrough he is alive) hot headed and acts without a second thought. He only values force, Duncan on the other hand try to think about what he is doing, so, how informing the enemy would help anyone?
Despite what a lot of people say, I think they both make sense. I do however think Duncan's more interesting as the traitor.
Duncan makes more sense as the traitor, his whole "it was for the good of the house" schtick really sold it for me. Royland was hot-headed and forceful, but that's what you need when your enemies are crazy and won't listen to reason. Plus, as stated earlier, Duncan has no issue going behind the Lord's back to suit his own agenda. He sold out his own nephew, for goodness sake. I can easily see him turning traitor if it suited what he thought the house needed.
Neither makes any sense at all but Duncan makes somewhat more logical arguments for betraying the house.
Duncan no doubt, makes more sense. Royland has been with the Forresters for a long time, the man seems too loyal.
Neither but Royland acts so violent when he is not sentinel.
I do think it makes more sense for Duncan to be the traitor, since he has the patience and diplomacy for it. Writing letters to the whitehill's giving away army information is the last thing I would have expected Royland to do. That said, Royland was my traitor, and as surprised as I was, I had no problem showing him how "weak" I was by then killing him.
I think it makes the most sense though to kill Royland the traitor and spare Duncan the traitor. I know this means Duncan can appear at the end regardless (excluding Gwen). But since Royland's problem is that Rodrik is weak, I think the perfect ending for him is execution and in a way strengthening Rodrik. With Duncan, his very logical reason to be traitor, paired with the fact he's very close with the Forresters, he's Gared's uncle, and knows about the North Grove is enough of a reason to keep him alive. But that's just my view.
Well said
I thought it would be the mother; Ludd would threaten her with Ryon's life, kinda the Catelyn/Robb vibe with her daughters and it has been stated that she already sends message to the Whitehills.
Duncan makes sense, but Royland being the traitor makes zero sense
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That is an interesting point of view. I honestly think you have made a positive out of Royland's traitor version. Well said.
Duncan doesnt really make sense either, the traitor scene is still probably the worst thing in the whole season
I guess it's all opinions but I think that Duncan made some sense as a traitor. He thought that being aggresive to the Whitehills, or at least not submitting to them would lead House Forrester to ruin, and it is something I was doing sometimes (like not obeying to Gryff and making him more angry). As for Royland, though, he makes no sense. He was like: "Oi, Rodrik... Your desicions made this house look weak, so I betrayed you for the Whitehills to make this house and you to look even more weak."
Yeah i agree Duncan makes more sense than Royland who acts completely out of character including the way he tells the whitehills about everything, hes not subtle so it doesnt suit him at all. Duncan makes more sense than that, I'm just saying neither suddenly turning on the forresters makes any sense, especially as it all depends on who ethan chooses
None tbh.
I didn't think either of them made sense. With Duncan so invested in Gared and the North Grove, I find that hard to conceive. And Royland, y'know, being Royland, it just doesn't make much sense either. I think Elissa had the most cause, to potentially get Ryon back. It wouldn't have made a lot of sense, but at least more sense than Duncan or Royland. I couldn't contain myself during the traitor reveal scene because of course it'd be programmed to be the sentinel candidate who got snubbed. Of course.
The idea that either of them would betray their house to the white hills is illogical.
The whole betrayal idea just ruined the 5th episode honestly. That's one of those story ideas that sounds cool early on in development, but doesn't make sense from the outside looking in. If anything, it shoulda been the Glenmores who betrayed us. Anyone else makes little sense
For me, Duncan as traitor makes more sense for me cause of what I said above:
Duncan's scene was much better (though revealing the weaknesses of Ironrath and reporting about Elaena was out of character for him). Duncan actually had some valid points that fits for his character to be concerned about.
Royland's scene did not make sense. His excuses were pathetic. Let's face it; he did it for the reward from Lord Whitehill. Releasing Gryff instead of wanting to plan a counterattack to the Whitehill's ambush, was very out of character for Royland.
Duncan made more sense as traitor. Perhaps, this way he was trying to stop the Whitehills from attacking. He always chooses diplomacy, and this sort of thing he did as traitor looks like an attemps to appease the Whitehills and gain their trust. His dark side, hidden manipulations, intrigues, diplomacy, is the opposite of Royland that prefers open combat. So Royland playing intrigues was sort of unrealistic for him, but not for Duncan. Although the traitor thing was unrealistic anyway. They were considered as family and the sentinel post was more a title than anything else. Betraying the house that considers you family for this? Sort of BS to me, honestly.