'The Door' Episode Discussion

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  • He is a lord now, what do you want him to do?

    Where the hell is Bronn? I mean he has to be doing something. I know the actor and Lena Headey have bad blood with each other so I hope that isn't why we haven't seen him

  • Yeah like selling people as slaves and plotting with the crown to kill a child in Dany.
    Did you ever see Tyrion as a bad guy? Or Sandor? I'd say they also fit the bill of making really bad choices. Hell that fits the bill for all of them.
    Only difference is Jorah is from an honorable Mormont house. Not the ferocious Cleganes or the Precious Lannisters.

    KCohere posted: »

    I wouldnt put Jorah in the same category as those guys. He was never a villian, just made some really bad choices.

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    Oh, I'm okay with Bran, but if I'd made a mistake like that I'd sure feel like shit. I expect Bran to be a bit broken after losing so much so quickly AND learning that the whole life of Wylis was basically ruined just that he could survive from his own fuck up.

    KCohere posted: »

    Dont be so hard on Bran. If I had to lay around a cave day in and day out, I would get bored too. He didnt face anything like this before so I dont think he understood the dire consequences.

  • We'll see him when Jaime goes to resolve the situation at Riverrun. He'll take his old buddy with him again.

    Where the hell is Bronn? I mean he has to be doing something. I know the actor and Lena Headey have bad blood with each other so I hope that isn't why we haven't seen him

  • I hear people talking about the bastardbowl in episode 9. Is this just speculation or was it somehow confirmed? People talk about it like its 100% sure that this will happen in episode 9.

    They sure keep namedropping him. Though I assume his allegiance to Starks will be more straightforward in the show than in the books - there is no time for a conspiracy storyline, there are only three episodes left before the Bastardbowl.

  • I really enjoyed that scene. Iam no fan of Dany but I really liked that she got emotional about Jorahs greyscale. But I was a little disappointed about how that scene ended. "Go find the cure and come back, I need you". I really thought she would help him to find a cure, like summoning people who have experience with greyscale or something like that. But nontheless I still hope that Jorah finds a cure.

    KCohere posted: »

    If she banished Jorah one more time...I cant even... I was so happy that she finally came around and Daario kept his mouth shut.

  • There were set pictures leaked in October or November of a Northern battle being filmed, and the director spotted in these pics was Miguel Sapochnik (director of Hardhome) who has been confirmed to direct episodes 9 and 10 this year.

    We've also seen flashes of this battle in the trailers, and the build up to it has been quite clear in these last few episodes.

    N8eule posted: »

    I hear people talking about the bastardbowl in episode 9. Is this just speculation or was it somehow confirmed? People talk about it like its 100% sure that this will happen in episode 9.

  • I've lost interest in the Dorne storyline the moment the 'Dornish master plan' theory was debunked.

  • Im guessing they will join with dany when she arrives.

    In the midst of all of this, I am wondering what Dorne is doing. I kinda feel that the writers simply dropped everything in Episode 1 so we don't have to think about Dorne anymore. At least for the moment.

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    Its kind of sad how all his life Hodor was being groomed to fulfill one specific destiny ... to hold a door.

  • You can hear Bran say - Im sorry - in the preview of episode 6. So i think he feels like shit. ;)

    Oh, I'm okay with Bran, but if I'd made a mistake like that I'd sure feel like shit. I expect Bran to be a bit broken after losing so much s

  • You sure? I thought it was Meera saying sorry to Bran because they are surrounded by Wrights.

    WalkerHH93 posted: »

    You can hear Bran say - Im sorry - in the preview of episode 6. So i think he feels like shit.

  • It is Brans voice. I am quite sure. :)

    You sure? I thought it was Meera saying sorry to Bran because they are surrounded by Wrights.

  • Everyone's destiny is to be lords or be bitches or something fancy, but not Hodor. He's destiny was to hold a fucking door. Perfect, stunning, incredible.. Seriously though, this episode is probably my third or fourth favorite episode after Rains of Castamere, Hardhome and maybe Baelor. The laws of gods and men are also incredible.

    This epsiode... 9.8/10 They almost nailed it.

  • edited May 2016

    So am i the only one who thinks that Summer's death was one of the most stupid things in this series so far? Rewatch it. The wolf commits suicide! And I'm not exagerating he throws himself to the wights without killing even one or slowing them down. He just jumps and dies. His purpose? Unknown to me.

    And I now dislike Bran's storyline (even) more. We were finally getting somewhere. The children of the forest creating the WW, the tower of Joy, young Ned Stark - everything that had me captivated is now gone.

    Oh and let's not even talk about the: "The White Walkers are coming!!!!!", and what do they decide to do? Chill in a vision. Mmmk.

  • And I'm not exagerating he throws himself to the wights without killing even one or slowing them down. He just jumps and dies. His purpose? Unknown to me.

    How do you know he doesn't kill anyone (well, decapitate or immobilize because you can't kill a wight without fire)? And his purpose? Slow down the wights and give time for Bran and Meera to escape. Pretty simple concept to understand.

    We were finally getting somewhere. The children of the forest creating the WW, the tower of Joy, young Ned Stark - everything that had me captivated is now gone.

    Okay, wtf? Have you read the script or something? How would you know Bran won't keep having his visions? If anything we are not stuck in that cave anymore and Bran might actually see other characters again.

    Oh and let's not even talk about the: "The White Walkers are coming!!!!!", and what do they decide to do? Chill in a vision. Mmmk.

    "It's time for you to become me." "Am I ready?" "No."

    I suppose it should have been "Because you are not ready yet we have to use all the time we've got to transfer as much information for you as we can." that you would've understood it. Also, I'm pretty sure Bloodraven knew Bran had to be in that vision so that Hodor's destiny would come true.

    So am i the only one who thinks that Summer's death was one of the most stupid things in this series so far? Rewatch it. The wolf commits su

  • You make some valid points. I'm just really skeptical, his storyline was never my cup of tea. I hope he keeps having visions but it seems unlikely since the visions were in the roots of the wierdwood tree (from what I gathered at least).

    No I don't think Summer killed any wight, he started to get stabbed immediately. He could have easily turn around and run.

    And I'm not exagerating he throws himself to the wights without killing even one or slowing them down. He just jumps and dies. His purpose?

  • edited May 2016

    The wolf sacrificed itself .....it's goal was to slow them again

    There is no reason bran will have no more visions

    So am i the only one who thinks that Summer's death was one of the most stupid things in this series so far? Rewatch it. The wolf commits su

  • Like how Ned was more interesting and developed than Joffrey?

    As long as Cercei gets hers first. I think cersei is lasting at least this season and maybe to the end of the next. Shes way more interesting and developed than the sparrow

  • He sold slaves to try to keep his wife in the rich lifestyle she was accustomed to and as far as I know, he wasnt trying to kill Dany, just inform on her. Both of those things he acknowleged were wrong and tried to make up for. Ive never seen him as a villian. Ive never liked the Hound, not in book or tv form. He has done bad things and has shown little to no remorse as far as I can tell, but he occassionally does something good so people forgive him, same with Jaime eventhough he has done some horrendous things. Tyrion has always been a fan favorite. I dont anyone who classifies him as a villian, and he is much more sympathetic and likable on the show than in the books. I dont necessarilu classify him as a villain either. Only Sandor comes close but they try to make him sympathetic and likable too.

    ShaneGrimes posted: »

    Yeah like selling people as slaves and plotting with the crown to kill a child in Dany. Did you ever see Tyrion as a bad guy? Or Sandor? I

  • Jorah needs to do this alone. I think. She doesnt know anything about it. Plus, she needs to get back to Westeros and stop dilly dallying.

    N8eule posted: »

    I really enjoyed that scene. Iam no fan of Dany but I really liked that she got emotional about Jorahs greyscale. But I was a little disappo

  • I didnt think it was stupid. I thought it was heartbreaking. But true to the bravery and loyalty of the wolves. He didnt hesitate to sacrifice himself to protect Bran and the others. Its just those White Walkers are so fast and relentless no one could survive getting that close to them.

    So am i the only one who thinks that Summer's death was one of the most stupid things in this series so far? Rewatch it. The wolf commits su

  • FuckBran

    I fucking hate Bran now. He never fucking listens! -.-

  • I hope Jaime kills him.

    Clemenem posted: »

    So it seems they'll finally do something about the Sparrow. How do you think that shriveled piece of shit will get what's coming to him? If not in the attack then I'd guess by Dany

  • Yeah! #FuckBran

    FuckBran

  • Yeah him or Cleganestein

    I hope Jaime kills him.

  • Well, she's going to last longer than Tommen anyway.

    As long as Cercei gets hers first. I think cersei is lasting at least this season and maybe to the end of the next. Shes way more interesting and developed than the sparrow

  • The girl with the grenade had an even less sensible sacrifice. Seriously speaking what did holding on to the grenade do that throwing it wouldn't have accomplished? What makes it worse is that it's a weirdly common move in TV and film.
    Also the fact that so many of Bran's redshirt friends died right next to each other kind of took the punch out of it somehow.

    So am i the only one who thinks that Summer's death was one of the most stupid things in this series so far? Rewatch it. The wolf commits su

  • Potentially Unpopular opinion(s) time; I thought Bran's part was horribly mishandled. The sacrifices felt relatively useless, Summer's death felt somehow anti-climatic (the first time that a direwolf's death felt that way for me). Hodor's death was overshadowed for me by everyone else dying, the timey-whimy twist and the insert-backstory-right-before-character-dies trope. I also really hate that they added time travel this late in the game.

    Also I freaking hate what they've done with Arya's story. She used to be one of my favourite characters, but this arc of hers feels slower than winter's arrival and Dany's "invasion" (which is saying something).

    I did enjoy the episode overall though.

  • There were set pictures leaked in October or November of a Northern battle being filmed, and the director spotted in these pics was Miguel Sapochnik (director of Hardhome) who has been confirmed to direct episodes 9 and 10 this year.

    Oh, I didnt knew that. It is kinda obvious that this battle will happen, I was just confused how people knew that it will happen in episode 9. Thank you very much.

  • I thought the point of that was getting as many of them as possible by having them all in one place (attacking her). That does happen a lot in movies and it seems effective enough.

    AdamGoodtme posted: »

    The girl with the grenade had an even less sensible sacrifice. Seriously speaking what did holding on to the grenade do that throwing it wou

  • You had seen them simply throw the things outside the cave, and what happened? A couple wights that ran near the explosion were destroyed. This way she held them back far longer AND destroyed more of them.

    AdamGoodtme posted: »

    The girl with the grenade had an even less sensible sacrifice. Seriously speaking what did holding on to the grenade do that throwing it wou

  • What I noticed with it is Euron just straight up plans to Murder Yara and Theon whereas in the comics he gives them busy work and swipes away their allies. It's much more cunning and makes him a creepy in-between of say, Ramasy's psychoticness and Roose or Tywin's cunning sociopathesc tactics.

    KCohere posted: »

    I dont see why? Whats different? Oh I guess theyre not doing the horn and they dont have people giving out piles of loot. I dont really care about that, I think it was as well done as it could be without dragging on.

  • Different positions of power hold different evil deeds. While Jaime will never live life without the title as Kingslayer (and there's probably countless other evil things he did in the books and before the books that make it different), Sandor was always a brute for hire/knight for the various kings. While Sandor killed more, it's not as if he had much choice, especially the way he was raised.

    And it's not like Tyrion was a saint when season one ended. I mean the worst he may have done (or admitted he's done at least) was blame another child for his mistake, causing the child to either die or be imprisoned. And he was also the abomination of the family, if he was born "regular" then who knows how many ppl he would've killed in the name of the Lannisters.

    And acknowledging that you did something wrong may feel like a step to some ppl, but for ppl like Jaime and Sandor it doesn't matter if you say sorry. Someone is dead and they can't be brought back. You either make it up to them in your own way, and/or you change to never make the mistake again. Thats how Sandor and Jaime redeemed themselves, even though they haven't fully redeemed themselves yet.

    And are you telling me Jorah was just informing on Dany? You really mean to tell me that before the fire escape in season one, he wasn't still committed to the crown? And you think he didn't know the crown wanted to kill her? And is that any justification to sell people into slavery? To keep up a rich lifestyle? Sounds like a son of the harpy state of mind.

    Regardless they all did some bad things, some to higher degrees, but they all have recognized their mistakes and show remorse. And when I say villain, I don't mean in the same breath as a Joffrey or a Ramsey.. It's more just about having a conflicting ideaogly then the protagonist. Like Ned and LF season one. Like Sansa and the Hound. Like Sansa and Tyrion. Like Brienne and Jaime. Like Jorah and himself season one.

    KCohere posted: »

    He sold slaves to try to keep his wife in the rich lifestyle she was accustomed to and as far as I know, he wasnt trying to kill Dany, just

  • i do have a bit of a problem of Summer's death but it its mostly cuz i hate seeing direwolves die but most of that seemed to be budget reasons... which pisses me off because they can just make them disappear like the hound in the first episode ( :v ) then make them reappear when they are safe... but at least they made it seem like it was bravery... but damn it... RIP Summer.

    after the episode i went back and rewatch the scene when they get their direwolves and cried some more..

    So am i the only one who thinks that Summer's death was one of the most stupid things in this series so far? Rewatch it. The wolf commits su

  • edited May 2016

    Because:

    -He admits he murdered Balon and kinslaying without anyone caring about it.

    -His fleet is stolen.

    -The whole horn missing.

    -The "A woman will never rule Iron Islands" then the sentence after: "let's go this dragon's queen "

    -Dick jokes.

    -Again dick jokes.

    -Theon is here, meaning Euron is elected rightfully in the series.

    -The whole "what is dead may never die" which make him look pathetic.

    -Yara and Theon flee during his benediction and no one notices it.

    -Euron wants a fleet done to get them back. It will require just years technically to build a fleet, and it's not like there are lot of woods in the Iron Islands.

    -Certainly others things if I would read the scene again.

    They could have just remove the scene imo.

    KCohere posted: »

    I dont see why? Whats different? Oh I guess theyre not doing the horn and they dont have people giving out piles of loot. I dont really care about that, I think it was as well done as it could be without dragging on.

  • Just a side thought. I really hate Euron's portrayal in the show. He's not as interesting as he is in the books. Perhaps that's subject to change but for now he's just bland and generic and not ready to take Ramsay's place as the main human villain.

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    I really hate Euron's portrayal in the show.

    Hes only been in one episode, plus their isnt exactly much to base him on

    He's not as interesting as he is in the books.

    Right I want to see all his major book moments like.....um....uh?

    The only real difference is him having that horn thing. Ive never understood all this hype for him, the character has potential in the books so far, nothing more.

    Clemenem posted: »

    Just a side thought. I really hate Euron's portrayal in the show. He's not as interesting as he is in the books. Perhaps that's subject to change but for now he's just bland and generic and not ready to take Ramsay's place as the main human villain.

  • I see him as a hybrid of Euron and Victarion. He had a great introduction scene and Kingsmoot was okay. Of course he is not yet on the level of Ramsay - he has had 2 scenes, Ramsay 3+ seasons.

    Clemenem posted: »

    Just a side thought. I really hate Euron's portrayal in the show. He's not as interesting as he is in the books. Perhaps that's subject to change but for now he's just bland and generic and not ready to take Ramsay's place as the main human villain.

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