Except he's presented completely differently... He's presented as a schemer and someone ambiguous like Little finger. He basically just spelled out all his motives
I really hate Euron's portrayal in the show.
Hes only been in one episode, plus their isnt exactly much to base him on
He's no… moret as interesting as he is in the books.
Right I want to see all his major book moments like.....um....uh?
The only real difference is him having that horn thing. Ive never understood all this hype for him, the character has potential in the books so far, nothing more.
Changing someone's complete character/personality has always 100% worked in the past in this show. (Ramsay,Stannis etc). Not to mention Victarion and Euron are hardly similar
I see him as a hybrid of Euron and Victarion. He had a great introduction scene and Kingsmoot was okay. Of course he is not yet on the level of Ramsay - he has had 2 scenes, Ramsay 3+ seasons.
Is he? We see him from the point of view of Asha and Victorian who dont really know him (or know the new him), the audience has no insight into the character at all. The speech was nigh on identical to the book and thats all the insight we have in either version, the rest is all what other characters think about him
Except he's presented completely differently... He's presented as a schemer and someone ambiguous like Little finger. He basically just spelled out all his motives
Ramsay is not that different from the books, or at least not worse in any way. I can understand some people's frustration with show Stannis (because of the differences to books) but he also was still a compelling character in the show.
And why would I call it hybrid if Euron and Vic were similar?
Changing someone's complete character/personality has always 100% worked in the past in this show. (Ramsay,Stannis etc). Not to mention Victarion and Euron are hardly similar
Ramsay is not that different from the books, or at least not worse in any way
I disagree. Compared to how he treats Sansa to Jeyne. The show writers went soft. I mean Sansa didn't get gangbanged by Ramsay's hounds
I can understand some people's frustration with show Stannis (because of the differences to books) but he also was still a compelling character in the show.
That's more of a subjective thing. IMO he was just more of an asshole that let Melisandre play him like a puppet
And why would I call it hybrid if Euron and Vic were similar?
Most hybrids don't mesh well. This would be one of those instances as Victarion being dumb a good fighter yet dumb as a stump and Euron being a clever player in the game. Had they used both of their selective perks and flaws that might work. But Euron doesn't seem as ambitious and unpredictable as seen in the books
Ramsay is not that different from the books, or at least not worse in any way. I can understand some people's frustration with show Stannis … more(because of the differences to books) but he also was still a compelling character in the show.
And why would I call it hybrid if Euron and Vic were similar?
The show writers went soft. I mean Sansa didn't get gangbanged by Ramsay's hounds
....well I think thats fair enough, its a show they couldnt show stuff like that (and to be honest im glad they didnt). Making the girl sansa instead of jeyne meant it was more horrific for the audience
That's more of a subjective thing
Everything is subjective, I thought show stannis was well done overall
This would be one of those instances as Victarion being dumb a good fighter yet dumb as a stump and Euron being a clever player in the game
When is Euron a clever player of the game in the book, the ironborn are always a bit crude. The only evidence I got was him being wily in the book. The show character has done that so far by winning the kingsmoot.
But Euron doesn't seem as ambitious and unpredictable as seen in the books
Again he has yet to do anything in the books. Plus in the show hes already made a speech about attempting to seduce dany and take over westeroes thats pretty ambitious and unpredictable
Ramsay is not that different from the books, or at least not worse in any way
I disagree. Compared to how he treats Sansa to Jeyne. … moreThe show writers went soft. I mean Sansa didn't get gangbanged by Ramsay's hounds
I can understand some people's frustration with show Stannis (because of the differences to books) but he also was still a compelling character in the show.
That's more of a subjective thing. IMO he was just more of an asshole that let Melisandre play him like a puppet
And why would I call it hybrid if Euron and Vic were similar?
Most hybrids don't mesh well. This would be one of those instances as Victarion being dumb a good fighter yet dumb as a stump and Euron being a clever player in the game. Had they used both of their selective perks and flaws that might work. But Euron doesn't seem as ambitious and unpredictable as seen in the books
well I think thats fair enough, its a show they couldnt show stuff like that (and to be honest im glad they didnt). Making the girl sansa instead of jeyne meant it was more horrific for the audience
That's the point I was making. That he is way worse than the show let's on. I didn't say they should have incorporated only disagreeing on both versions of him being equal in depravity
When is Euron a clever player of the game in the book, the ironborn are always a bit crude. The only evidence I got was him being wily in the book. The show character has done that so far by winning the kingsmoot.
He also has experience the show doesn't let on. As well as not being predictable. He operates in different ways (such as having a faceless man kill Balon).
Again he has yet to do anything in the books. Plus in the show hes already made a speech about attempting to seduce dany and take over westeroes thats pretty ambitious and unpredictable
The way he did it was as if Victarion was speaking which is probably due to the mesh but makes him sound really dumb. In the books he also doesn't say anything about giving his fleet to Daenerys or having the Iron Islands pledge loyal allegiance yet we can't argue if that's his plan or not yet
The show writers went soft. I mean Sansa didn't get gangbanged by Ramsay's hounds
....well I think thats fair enough, its a show the… morey couldnt show stuff like that (and to be honest im glad they didnt). Making the girl sansa instead of jeyne meant it was more horrific for the audience
That's more of a subjective thing
Everything is subjective, I thought show stannis was well done overall
This would be one of those instances as Victarion being dumb a good fighter yet dumb as a stump and Euron being a clever player in the game
When is Euron a clever player of the game in the book, the ironborn are always a bit crude. The only evidence I got was him being wily in the book. The show character has done that so far by winning the kingsmoot.
But Euron doesn't seem as ambitious and unpredictable as seen in the books
Again he has yet to do anything in the books. Plus in the show hes already made a speec… [view original content]
The girl with the grenade had an even less sensible sacrifice. Seriously speaking what did holding on to the grenade do that throwing it wou… moreldn't have accomplished? What makes it worse is that it's a weirdly common move in TV and film.
Also the fact that so many of Bran's redshirt friends died right next to each other kind of took the punch out of it somehow.
i do have a bit of a problem of Summer's death but it its mostly cuz i hate seeing direwolves die but most of that seemed to be budget reaso… morens... which pisses me off because they can just make them disappear like the hound in the first episode ( :v ) then make them reappear when they are safe... but at least they made it seem like it was bravery... but damn it... RIP Summer.
after the episode i went back and rewatch the scene when they get their direwolves and cried some more..
I really hate Euron's portrayal in the show.
Hes only been in one episode, plus their isnt exactly much to base him on
He's no… moret as interesting as he is in the books.
Right I want to see all his major book moments like.....um....uh?
The only real difference is him having that horn thing. Ive never understood all this hype for him, the character has potential in the books so far, nothing more.
Man I am seeing a lot of Dany hate on youtube and I don't get it. I mean yeah here storyline isn't the best, but it's definitely better than previous seasons. I think she has been decent this season and Emilia Clarke's acting has come a long way since season 1 (same with Kit Harrington's acting).
Man I am seeing a lot of Dany hate on youtube and I don't get it. I mean yeah here storyline isn't the best, but it's definitely better than… more previous seasons. I think she has been decent this season and Emilia Clarke's acting has come a long way since season 1 (same with Kit Harrington's acting).
Thats a theory, its not confirmed. Someone killed balon, in the show its clearer to the audience if its him.
Also to be honest I hope they make him a hybrid between the two, victorian was the more interesting character for me anyway, Euron had potential but there was nothing to build on. Victorian seemed like a more accurate or normal in terms of how the ironborn are anyway. This would give show people an experience of them.
well I think thats fair enough, its a show they couldnt show stuff like that (and to be honest im glad they didnt). Making the girl sansa in… morestead of jeyne meant it was more horrific for the audience
That's the point I was making. That he is way worse than the show let's on. I didn't say they should have incorporated only disagreeing on both versions of him being equal in depravity
When is Euron a clever player of the game in the book, the ironborn are always a bit crude. The only evidence I got was him being wily in the book. The show character has done that so far by winning the kingsmoot.
He also has experience the show doesn't let on. As well as not being predictable. He operates in different ways (such as having a faceless man kill Balon).
Again he has yet to do anything in the books. Plus in the show hes already made a speech about attempting to seduce dany and take over westeroes thats pretty ambitious and un… [view original content]
Man I am seeing a lot of Dany hate on youtube and I don't get it. I mean yeah here storyline isn't the best, but it's definitely better than… more previous seasons. I think she has been decent this season and Emilia Clarke's acting has come a long way since season 1 (same with Kit Harrington's acting).
I am wondering, will the Bastardbowl take place in the North or somewhere down south? Because in the trailer, the battlefield doesn't look very snowy. But then again, I only watched the trailer a few times.
He admits he murdered Balon and kinslaying without anyone caring about it.
I know this is not the case in the books, but in the show the Ironborn clearly don't make such a big deal of kinslaying, and the captains clearly agreed with Euron that Balon was a loser. (And it's ridiculously clear in the books too that it was Euron who arranged Balon's death and yet no one bats an eye - save for Asha)
His fleet is stolen.
His "best ships" are stolen. Anyway, in books he sends Vic with the Iron Fleet to Dany - and Vic plans on "stealing" Euron's plan of marrying Dany, we needed a way in the show for Yara and Theon to take that role (not the marrying but you know what I mean). Sure, he could've just sent them, but they are a threat to his rule and he knows it.
The whole horn is missing.
Meh, well I guess the horn could prove to be interesting in the books, but I can do without it.
The "A woman will never rule Iron Islands" then the sentence after: "let's go this dragon's queen "
A Targaryen with 3 dragons and a large army > Yara
Dick jokes.
It's understandable that Euron would bring this up, it makes Theon and Yara look like a joke to the captains. (The "and my big cock!" was perhaps a bit much though)
Theon is here, meaning Euron is elected rightfully in the series.
So?
The whole "what is dead may never die" which make him look pathetic.
You mean the baptizing? I don't think it's pathetic, takes some balls to be fucking drowned.
Yara and Theon flee during his benediction and no one notices it.
Yeah, the scene made it quite unclear how it actually happened, how much time passed etc. so this is valid criticism.
Euron wants a fleet done to get them back. It will require just years technically to build a fleet, and it's not like there are lot of woods in the Iron Islands.
I assume the fleet to be ready by next season. Sure, it's perhaps a bit unrealistic, but this is fantasy and many things in Westeros are a bit unrealistic.
The scene was needed, and it mostly served its purpose. This is not exactly like the book Euron, but Asbaek has done good job so far and the Kingsmoot had many great lines and moments to outshine the weaker ones. And never could've the scene been as long and detailed as it is in books - there is simply not that much time in the show to put in a secondary storyline.
Because:
-He admits he murdered Balon and kinslaying without anyone caring about it.
-His fleet is stolen.
-The whole horn missing.… more
-The "A woman will never rule Iron Islands" then the sentence after: "let's go this dragon's queen "
-Dick jokes.
-Again dick jokes.
-Theon is here, meaning Euron is elected rightfully in the series.
-The whole "what is dead may never die" which make him look pathetic.
-Yara and Theon flee during his benediction and no one notices it.
-Euron wants a fleet done to get them back. It will require just years technically to build a fleet, and it's not like there are lot of woods in the Iron Islands.
-Certainly others things if I would read the scene again.
They could have just remove the scene imo.
Sure, many of your points are valid. I was answering to KCohere who said nothing is really different in both medias except the horn and the loots I wasn't actually making a list of complaints :P
(And it's ridiculously clear in the books too that it was Euron who arranged Balon's death and yet no one bats an eye - save for Asha)
Yes returning home to day after your brother died is quite suspicious. But he doesn't admit it, there's still doubt so no one can charge him for kingslaying because they have no actual proofs.
You mean the baptizing? I don't think it's pathetic, takes some balls to be fucking drowned.
Yes. The way it has been shot make him look pathetic imo.
He admits he murdered Balon and kinslaying without anyone caring about it.
I know this is not the case in the books, but in the show… more the Ironborn clearly don't make such a big deal of kinslaying, and the captains clearly agreed with Euron that Balon was a loser. (And it's ridiculously clear in the books too that it was Euron who arranged Balon's death and yet no one bats an eye - save for Asha)
His fleet is stolen.
His "best ships" are stolen. Anyway, in books he sends Vic with the Iron Fleet to Dany - and Vic plans on "stealing" Euron's plan of marrying Dany, we needed a way in the show for Yara and Theon to take that role (not the marrying but you know what I mean). Sure, he could've just sent them, but they are a threat to his rule and he knows it.
The whole horn is missing.
Meh, well I guess the horn could prove to be interesting in the books, but I can do without it.
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I am wondering, will the Bastardbowl take place in the North or somewhere down south? Because in the trailer, the battlefield doesn't look very snowy. But then again, I only watched the trailer a few times.
From what I assume, it is the nickname of the battle between Jon and Ramsay, that might happen later.
Do you prefer me calling it the Battle of the Bastards instead?
I am wondering, will the Bastardbowl take place in the North or somewhere down south? Because in the trailer, the battlefield doesn't look very snowy. But then again, I only watched the trailer a few times.
I highly doubt Cleganebowl (I guess that is Hound vs Mountain) is gonna happen. Sandor's chances of survival from all of those injuries are pretty low.
The real reason is that filming a battle like this in snow would be a pain in the ass Which is a problem in the future, if we are to expect some kind of battle(s) against the Night King's army... unless they come south enough or something... though they supposedly bring the cold with them, so not really loopholes there Interesting to see how will they do it.
It will supposedely happen at Winterfell, I saw many people calling it "the battle of Winterfell 2.0".
As for the snow, maybe Shireen's sacrifice still work. Now if you check before it, the set wasn't very snowy eeither.
I highly doubt Cleganebowl (I guess that is Hound vs Mountain) is gonna happen. Sandor's chances of survival from all of those injuries are pretty low.
Yeah I'm aware of the limit of a show; honestly if they chose a set where there is as much snow as in books, actors and extras would freeze their balls off and deliver a terrible performance.
Now if they need huge amount of snow when the Night's King is coming (is it still his name now?) they might use CGI.
The real reason is that filming a battle like this in snow would be a pain in the ass Which is a problem in the future, if we are to expect… more some kind of battle(s) against the Night King's army... unless they come south enough or something... though they supposedly bring the cold with them, so not really loopholes there Interesting to see how will they do it.
Yeah I'm aware of the limit of a show; honestly if they chose a set where there is as much snow as in books, actors and extras would freeze … moretheir balls off and deliver a terrible performance.
Now if they need huge amount of snow when the Night's King is coming (is it still his name now?) they might use CGI.
The Night King refers in books to the NW's lord Commander as I remember. Yet we see in this episode his creation by CoF -I assume it's the same actor, isn't it?- so why do they keep this name? Will it happen differently in books? I wonder.
Yeah, hopefully they manage to do it in a way that looks believable (well, as believable as a battle with fookin zombies can look).
And Bran had a line in this weeks episode: "He saw me! The Night King!", sooo yup, confirmed
They cut many huge characters mate such as Aegon from the books.
Yet they cast Septon Meribald who is like in one chapter. Ian Mc Shane a… morelso stated he's gonna revive someone.
Get all the hype you can in your pockets. Brace yourself, for Cleganebowl is coming.
Also, you're dead right about them cutting characters.
No Lady Stoneheart (sadly).
No Victarion Greyjoy.
No fAgeon.
No Coldhands (though we may see Benjen next episode).
No Patchface.
But Septon Meribald is in it so late in the game? Bringing a 'much loved' character back from the dead?
The Hound is coming. But why bring him back? For one scene where he digs graves? No, there is only one direction you can take with him to make his story relevant again.
They cut many huge characters mate such as Aegon from the books.
Yet they cast Septon Meribald who is like in one chapter. Ian Mc Shane a… morelso stated he's gonna revive someone.
Get all the hype you can in your pockets. Brace yourself, for Cleganebowl is coming.
Yeah it was 13th Lord Commander or something. Still, 13th Lord Commander is very, very ancient history and details of anything from those times must be very unclear to 300 AC Westerosi - I think GRRM himself has said (after Hardhome aired) that the Night King that is referred to in the books might just be a myth. Anyway, it's a catchy name so the show has put it to good use
The Night King refers in books to the NW's lord Commander as I remember. Yet we see in this episode his creation by CoF -I assume it's the same actor, isn't it?- so why do they keep this name? Will it happen differently in books? I wonder.
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Except he's presented completely differently... He's presented as a schemer and someone ambiguous like Little finger. He basically just spelled out all his motives
Changing someone's complete character/personality has always 100% worked in the past in this show. (Ramsay,Stannis etc). Not to mention Victarion and Euron are hardly similar
Is he? We see him from the point of view of Asha and Victorian who dont really know him (or know the new him), the audience has no insight into the character at all. The speech was nigh on identical to the book and thats all the insight we have in either version, the rest is all what other characters think about him
Ramsay is not that different from the books, or at least not worse in any way. I can understand some people's frustration with show Stannis (because of the differences to books) but he also was still a compelling character in the show.
And why would I call it hybrid if Euron and Vic were similar?
I disagree. Compared to how he treats Sansa to Jeyne. The show writers went soft. I mean Sansa didn't get gangbanged by Ramsay's hounds
That's more of a subjective thing. IMO he was just more of an asshole that let Melisandre play him like a puppet
Most hybrids don't mesh well. This would be one of those instances as Victarion being dumb a good fighter yet dumb as a stump and Euron being a clever player in the game. Had they used both of their selective perks and flaws that might work. But Euron doesn't seem as ambitious and unpredictable as seen in the books
....well I think thats fair enough, its a show they couldnt show stuff like that (and to be honest im glad they didnt). Making the girl sansa instead of jeyne meant it was more horrific for the audience
Everything is subjective, I thought show stannis was well done overall
When is Euron a clever player of the game in the book, the ironborn are always a bit crude. The only evidence I got was him being wily in the book. The show character has done that so far by winning the kingsmoot.
Again he has yet to do anything in the books. Plus in the show hes already made a speech about attempting to seduce dany and take over westeroes thats pretty ambitious and unpredictable
That's the point I was making. That he is way worse than the show let's on. I didn't say they should have incorporated only disagreeing on both versions of him being equal in depravity
He also has experience the show doesn't let on. As well as not being predictable. He operates in different ways (such as having a faceless man kill Balon).
The way he did it was as if Victarion was speaking which is probably due to the mesh but makes him sound really dumb. In the books he also doesn't say anything about giving his fleet to Daenerys or having the Iron Islands pledge loyal allegiance yet we can't argue if that's his plan or not yet
I thought she killed herself as she was the last of her kind but idk.
Nice to see he had a sense of humor about it loo
Im pretty sure Summer was male.
I bet they didnt want people constantly asking where are the direwolves. Im going to hope one wolf will be manageable so they dont kill Ghost.
He seems slightly less crazy on the show, and less wierd looking, like Daario. I dont disapprove of that.
I was talking about Leaf sacrificing herself with the grenade.
Oh, okay. Carry on then.
Reminds me of Rodrick/Asher sacrificing himself by holding open the gate.
I am never gonna hold any door now.
Man I am seeing a lot of Dany hate on youtube and I don't get it. I mean yeah here storyline isn't the best, but it's definitely better than previous seasons. I think she has been decent this season and Emilia Clarke's acting has come a long way since season 1 (same with Kit Harrington's acting).
It is always nice to see an actor improve.
Thats a theory, its not confirmed. Someone killed balon, in the show its clearer to the audience if its him.
Also to be honest I hope they make him a hybrid between the two, victorian was the more interesting character for me anyway, Euron had potential but there was nothing to build on. Victorian seemed like a more accurate or normal in terms of how the ironborn are anyway. This would give show people an experience of them.
Which videos? I thought she was well done this episode (the past few I was more laughing at her titles being cut off as she tried to read them)
I can't handle a Hodor wight.
THAT is the fookin' reason I am NOT staying in the North Grove.
I am wondering, will the Bastardbowl take place in the North or somewhere down south? Because in the trailer, the battlefield doesn't look very snowy. But then again, I only watched the trailer a few times.
I know this is not the case in the books, but in the show the Ironborn clearly don't make such a big deal of kinslaying, and the captains clearly agreed with Euron that Balon was a loser. (And it's ridiculously clear in the books too that it was Euron who arranged Balon's death and yet no one bats an eye - save for Asha)
His "best ships" are stolen. Anyway, in books he sends Vic with the Iron Fleet to Dany - and Vic plans on "stealing" Euron's plan of marrying Dany, we needed a way in the show for Yara and Theon to take that role (not the marrying but you know what I mean). Sure, he could've just sent them, but they are a threat to his rule and he knows it.
Meh, well I guess the horn could prove to be interesting in the books, but I can do without it.
A Targaryen with 3 dragons and a large army > Yara
It's understandable that Euron would bring this up, it makes Theon and Yara look like a joke to the captains. (The "and my big cock!" was perhaps a bit much though)
So?
You mean the baptizing? I don't think it's pathetic, takes some balls to be fucking drowned.
Yeah, the scene made it quite unclear how it actually happened, how much time passed etc. so this is valid criticism.
I assume the fleet to be ready by next season. Sure, it's perhaps a bit unrealistic, but this is fantasy and many things in Westeros are a bit unrealistic.
The scene was needed, and it mostly served its purpose. This is not exactly like the book Euron, but Asbaek has done good job so far and the Kingsmoot had many great lines and moments to outshine the weaker ones. And never could've the scene been as long and detailed as it is in books - there is simply not that much time in the show to put in a secondary storyline.
Sure, many of your points are valid. I was answering to KCohere who said nothing is really different in both medias except the horn and the loots I wasn't actually making a list of complaints :P
Yes returning home to day after your brother died is quite suspicious. But he doesn't admit it, there's still doubt so no one can charge him for kingslaying because they have no actual proofs.
Yes. The way it has been shot make him look pathetic imo.
What's the Bastardbowl?
From what I assume, it is the nickname of the battle between Jon and Ramsay, that might happen later.
Do you prefer me calling it the Battle of the Bastards instead?
I'm fine with either one
It's also a reference to the Cleganebowl.
It will supposedely happen at Winterfell, I saw many people calling it "the battle of Winterfell 2.0".
As for the snow, maybe Shireen's sacrifice still work. Now if you check before it, the set wasn't very snowy eeither.
I highly doubt Cleganebowl (I guess that is Hound vs Mountain) is gonna happen. Sandor's chances of survival from all of those injuries are pretty low.
The real reason is that filming a battle like this in snow would be a pain in the ass
Which is a problem in the future, if we are to expect some kind of battle(s) against the Night King's army... unless they come south enough or something... though they supposedly bring the cold with them, so not really loopholes there 
Interesting to see how will they do it.
They cut many huge characters mate such as Aegon from the books.
Yet they cast Septon Meribald who is like in one chapter. Ian Mc Shane also stated he's gonna revive someone.
Get all the hype you can in your pockets. Brace yourself, for Cleganebowl is coming.
Yeah I'm aware of the limit of a show; honestly if they chose a set where there is as much snow as in books, actors and extras would freeze their balls off and deliver a terrible performance.
Now if they need huge amount of snow when the Night's King is coming (is it still his name now?) they might use CGI.
Yeah, hopefully they manage to do it in a way that looks believable (well, as believable as a battle with fookin zombies can look).
And Bran had a line in this weeks episode: "He saw me! The Night King!", sooo yup, confirmed
The Night King refers in books to the NW's lord Commander as I remember. Yet we see in this episode his creation by CoF -I assume it's the same actor, isn't it?- so why do they keep this name? Will it happen differently in books? I wonder.
Get Hype!
That gif is fucking awesome!
IDK who made it but they deserve a reward.
Also, you're dead right about them cutting characters.
No Lady Stoneheart (sadly).
No Victarion Greyjoy.
No fAgeon.
No Coldhands (though we may see Benjen next episode).
No Patchface.
But Septon Meribald is in it so late in the game? Bringing a 'much loved' character back from the dead?
The Hound is coming. But why bring him back? For one scene where he digs graves? No, there is only one direction you can take with him to make his story relevant again.
Get Hype.
Yeah it was 13th Lord Commander or something. Still, 13th Lord Commander is very, very ancient history and details of anything from those times must be very unclear to 300 AC Westerosi - I think GRRM himself has said (after Hardhome aired) that the Night King that is referred to in the books might just be a myth. Anyway, it's a catchy name so the show has put it to good use