Oberyn (in the show especially, in the books to some degree) didn't really do a great job at raising his daughters. And if we're counting dead characters I'd add Ned to the list of best fathers.
I think what best describes this episode is disappointment. While it actually falls closer to adequate, the trailer for the episode has such… more a build to it that the show just can't pay off in this episode. It's filler, and not the good creamy center kind.
Pros : The return of Arya Stark. Being completely honest, this character's storyline took a nose dive after being seperated from the Hound. The House of Black and White was house keeping 101, undertaker premed, and training montages.
Benjen Stark versus wights. A nice choreographed battle on horseback. Fanservice merge of Benjen and Coldhands.
Walder Frey is the lord of insults. Nice to see the Black Fish storyline finally appearing. I'm hoping it's not a few seasons too late for that. If only they'd done this in place of the Snakes of Dorne kinslaying the last of the Martell family..... to avenge the murder of the Martell family. Because logic.
Cons : Kingslanding. All of it. It'… [view original content]
Can Daenerys go ONE episode without making a speech? It feels like the writers are trying so hard to make her a badass that they forget to make her a person.
The most exiting part of the episode was the preview of episode 7 , enough said to make you understand how the episode was like ..
Nonetheless
Blackfish ! Blackfish ! Blackfish ! Blackfish !
Sam says on the way to Hornhill, while he's listing off the certain types of trees and things, he talks about how some trees will replace th… moree others.
He says something to the degree of, "Now that summers over, there will be more of (generic tree name) than this. Autumn is wonderful in Hornhill, it's not as green anywhere else"
Also I don't know what you mean by Kappa, so I just assume you want me to elaborate
Can Daenerys go ONE episode without making a speech? It feels like the writers are trying so hard to make her a badass that they forget to make her a person.
Ok I will now rate this episode on the Conan o'brien scale. If a tyrion is great score and a high sparrow means an awful score then I would give this episode a Bran. You figure it out.
all i know is that Cercei is going to kill Kevan. i mean there has been a lot of kin slaying, so why the fuck not? so that will make Jaime leader of the Lannisters because he will rally them. or maybe Cercei crazy ass will rally them? hmm who knows my bet is jaime.
In the books, the scenes at Riverrun lead to Jaime giving one of the most awesome speeches in the series. I hope they keep it for the show.
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Speaking of Jaime...if he's not in the kingsguard anymore, is he the Lord of House Lannister now? That's a pretty big deal.
Can Daenerys go ONE episode without making a speech? It feels like the writers are trying so hard to make her a badass that they forget to make her a person.
I think people often confuse build up to filler, but I'd say there is a fundamental difference. Without build up there can't be a story, but filler is just something inconsequential to the story, and I can't really say there was much of that in this episode - more or less everything was set up for the future episodes.
I think what best describes this episode is disappointment. While it actually falls closer to adequate, the trailer for the episode has such… more a build to it that the show just can't pay off in this episode. It's filler, and not the good creamy center kind.
Pros : The return of Arya Stark. Being completely honest, this character's storyline took a nose dive after being seperated from the Hound. The House of Black and White was house keeping 101, undertaker premed, and training montages.
Benjen Stark versus wights. A nice choreographed battle on horseback. Fanservice merge of Benjen and Coldhands.
Walder Frey is the lord of insults. Nice to see the Black Fish storyline finally appearing. I'm hoping it's not a few seasons too late for that. If only they'd done this in place of the Snakes of Dorne kinslaying the last of the Martell family..... to avenge the murder of the Martell family. Because logic.
Cons : Kingslanding. All of it. It'… [view original content]
no Kappa is like an emote from twitch and well you can look it up.
but you put "winter is officially over.... but i know winter is on the horizon" you meant summer is over haha
I love Sam and Gilly and Baby Sam and I enjoyed meeting his family even if I despise Randyll. I know people dont think that stuff is interesting because its more character and not action but its going to prove important.
I think what best describes this episode is disappointment. While it actually falls closer to adequate, the trailer for the episode has such… more a build to it that the show just can't pay off in this episode. It's filler, and not the good creamy center kind.
Pros : The return of Arya Stark. Being completely honest, this character's storyline took a nose dive after being seperated from the Hound. The House of Black and White was house keeping 101, undertaker premed, and training montages.
Benjen Stark versus wights. A nice choreographed battle on horseback. Fanservice merge of Benjen and Coldhands.
Walder Frey is the lord of insults. Nice to see the Black Fish storyline finally appearing. I'm hoping it's not a few seasons too late for that. If only they'd done this in place of the Snakes of Dorne kinslaying the last of the Martell family..... to avenge the murder of the Martell family. Because logic.
Cons : Kingslanding. All of it. It'… [view original content]
In the books, the scenes at Riverrun lead to Jaime giving one of the most awesome speeches in the series. I hope they keep it for the show.
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Speaking of Jaime...if he's not in the kingsguard anymore, is he the Lord of House Lannister now? That's a pretty big deal.
Huh. I thought more people would have found the Benjen rescue/reveal exciting. It was no thousand wights descending on a cave but it was pretty nice to see Benjen Coldhands back.
The most exiting part of the episode was the preview of episode 7 , enough said to make you understand how the episode was like ..
Nonetheless
Blackfish ! Blackfish ! Blackfish ! Blackfish !
Can Daenerys go ONE episode without making a speech? It feels like the writers are trying so hard to make her a badass that they forget to make her a person.
First I'm surprised: in this thread a lot of people didn't really like this episode (it mentionned several times as the weakest in the season); yet I saw that it was the favorite for "hardcore" books readers who still watch it. I wonder if show watchers want mainly fast action scenes and book readers like more the build-up.
Secondly: One scene which was really good imo was the one with the Mad King with that "Burn them all" line. My question is: we see an inside wildfire explosion.. Yet it never happened. Do Bran see the future or what could have been?
Thirdly, for those who also read the books, apparently GRRM released another chapter by reading it at a convention.
It's about valyrian armor and drinking nightshade.. Drinking it led to a dream of someone sitting on the Iron Throne.
Yeah, the slower episodes like this often get this kind of reception. I personally liked it, I just was left feeling like, "What? That's it?" when the credits started rolling. That's probably mostly because most of the episodes this season have ended with a bang. Well, this one kinda had that kind of ending too, it just didn't work that well. Overall though, this was an episode with many great moments.
I do think the wildfire explosion was foreshadowing to King's Landing burning.
I heard about the chapter being Damphair pov - my least favorite pov character :'D Otherwise though, it sounds like a very interesting chapter. I hope it pops up to internet at some point.
Several things to mention:
First I'm surprised: in this thread a lot of people didn't really like this episode (it mentionned several tim… morees as the weakest in the season); yet I saw that it was the favorite for "hardcore" books readers who still watch it. I wonder if show watchers want mainly fast action scenes and book readers like more the build-up.
Secondly: One scene which was really good imo was the one with the Mad King with that "Burn them all" line. My question is: we see an inside wildfire explosion.. Yet it never happened. Do Bran see the future or what could have been?
Thirdly, for those who also read the books, apparently GRRM released another chapter by reading it at a convention.
It's about valyrian armor and drinking nightshade.. Drinking it led to a dream of someone sitting on the Iron Throne.
People want "wow" moments. This episode didnt really have any "Hodor" like scenes, which I think some fans expect every episode. It was very much about setting things up for the next phase of the story, and as a book reader, I was quite excited to see all the nods to the book and where the story might be going. I dont think it was weak at all, just like you said, more build up.
Several things to mention:
First I'm surprised: in this thread a lot of people didn't really like this episode (it mentionned several tim… morees as the weakest in the season); yet I saw that it was the favorite for "hardcore" books readers who still watch it. I wonder if show watchers want mainly fast action scenes and book readers like more the build-up.
Secondly: One scene which was really good imo was the one with the Mad King with that "Burn them all" line. My question is: we see an inside wildfire explosion.. Yet it never happened. Do Bran see the future or what could have been?
Thirdly, for those who also read the books, apparently GRRM released another chapter by reading it at a convention.
It's about valyrian armor and drinking nightshade.. Drinking it led to a dream of someone sitting on the Iron Throne.
Lords can pass over their own issue in the line of succession if they need to. I believe Jaehaerys I did it when his secondborn son produced no children but a single daughter, leading him to chose the thirdborn son as his heir instead. Tywin always made it clear he wanted Jaime to inherit the Rock when he died, but its unclear in the show if Jaime has just been stripped of his position as Lord-Command or if he's been evicted from the Kingsguard entirely. Guess they might talk about it more in the next ep.
Technically we have two laws:
-The child of the Lord inherits the castle when he dies.
-Being in Kingsguard doesn't allow you to inher… moreit anything.
At Tywin's death, Casterly Rock should have passed to Kevan imo.
But apparently, it passed to Cersei in both mediums. Women apparently inherit if there are no remaining sons. But it's not like Cersei would marry again. So after Cersei it would pass to Tommen. Which is dumb since he's supposedly a Baratheon, putting an end to Lannister's name, or at least as those known in the rock (since there are Lannisters ruling in Lannisport for example). At Cersei's death it would make technically Tommen lord of Storm's End (before Daenerys take it I guess), Casterly Rock and King's Landing, as well as Lord paramount of these two Kingdoms.
Now that Jaime is back maybe it cancels her claim. Maybe not. It depends on if Cersei is considered to have already inherit Casterly Rock or not. Both hypothesis stand I guess.
But I maybe played too much Crusader Kings II too.
Was that before or after the part where Jaime collapsed Brynden's entire operation without shedding a single drop of blood? Yup, Jaime sure looked like a dope in THAT situation ¬_¬
Yeah, the slower episodes like this often get this kind of reception. I personally liked it, I just was left feeling like, "What? That's it?… more" when the credits started rolling. That's probably mostly because most of the episodes this season have ended with a bang. Well, this one kinda had that kind of ending too, it just didn't work that well. Overall though, this was an episode with many great moments.
I do think the wildfire explosion was foreshadowing to King's Landing burning.
I heard about the chapter being Damphair pov - my least favorite pov character :'D Otherwise though, it sounds like a very interesting chapter. I hope it pops up to internet at some point.
I'm starting to believe that it Will be Cersei herself who Will kill Tommen lol.
Daenerys trash is back. (Killing direwolves for this bulls… morehit, are you kidding me? Even if Summer's death was symbolic)
I thought she was gonna say that they will rape westerosi women, if this fool comes to westeros I think I'll root for the night king on the iron throne
Neat! Thanks for the link. And yeah, I think people have done that before when GRRM has read these sample chapters in conventions. Well, gotta read that at some point.
I don't like him as a character -not that he is badly written or whatever, just that I don't like this zealot- but his POVs were pretty good… more imo.
It already popped here: https://angrygotfan.com/2016/05/29/the-winds-of-winter-the-damphair-part-1/
As crazy as it sounds, the guy wrote it as Martin read it. I checked quickly other people talking about it and it looks the same.
What an absolute madman.
i really liked it. yes i hoped for revolt on KL 2.0, but what the HS did was brilliant (though i expected that to happen). Walder fookin Frey is back, how Jaime was "dismissed" from the King's Guard was cool, the Tarlly's scene was pretty good, but maybe a lil too long, the Arya stuff wa pretty cool too (though idk if i like how much time the play takes over), Benjen Fucking Strak is back!, Clegane Bowl hype keeps intensifying. so i liked it but it focused too much time on minor characters. the last scene was neat but did we need it? like i said a 7, scratching mid 8's, out 10.
Several things to mention:
First I'm surprised: in this thread a lot of people didn't really like this episode (it mentionned several tim… morees as the weakest in the season); yet I saw that it was the favorite for "hardcore" books readers who still watch it. I wonder if show watchers want mainly fast action scenes and book readers like more the build-up.
Secondly: One scene which was really good imo was the one with the Mad King with that "Burn them all" line. My question is: we see an inside wildfire explosion.. Yet it never happened. Do Bran see the future or what could have been?
Thirdly, for those who also read the books, apparently GRRM released another chapter by reading it at a convention.
It's about valyrian armor and drinking nightshade.. Drinking it led to a dream of someone sitting on the Iron Throne.
I dont know, its been awhile since I read the book. I just remember the part where Blackfysh totally defied Jaime and embarrassed him, but enlighten me.
Jaime and Blackfish talk, Blackfish's like "I aint 1v1ing you m8 you have no hand and also you suck, plus there's no way you're getting into this castle cos we can last out a siege for years" so Jaime's like "challenge accepted" and basically tricks Edmure into sneaking into the castle and getting it under Lannister control without any need for a battle.
The point of the sequence is that Brynden underestimates Jaime's capabilities, and Jaime promptly proves himself to be just as capable as Tywin was.
I dont know, its been awhile since I read the book. I just remember the part where Blackfysh totally defied Jaime and embarrassed him, but enlighten me.
Comments
I had a dream Mira was mentioned in the TV show. Then I woke up...
You know I forget that he barely raised his daughters. I just assumed because he sounded so nice, that he was probably a good father.
Alright I'll replace him with an unpopular Tywin. Ned is probably number one, then Sam. And Tywin somewhere far below.
Fuckin hell man lmao
My favorite part of the episode is how Mace Tyrell had a soldier walking his horse for him.
The most exiting part of the episode was the preview of episode 7 , enough said to make you understand how the episode was like ..
Nonetheless
Blackfish ! Blackfish ! Blackfish ! Blackfish !
Completely agree on the last bit. I totally thought that was what she was going to do we she said she was different from the other Khals.
That's like the shittiest work of all time lol. You can see the face of that man and he's all like "What am I actually doing over here?"
Can Daenerys go ONE episode without making a speech? It feels like the writers are trying so hard to make her a badass that they forget to make her a person.
Blackfish is bae
Jokes aside, it feels good to see the Tullys again! I wonder where Edmure's story will go.
no Kappa is like an emote from twitch and well you can look it up.
but you put "winter is officially over.... but i know winter is on the horizon" you meant summer is over haha
You mean like last episode? Dayum, I may not have the best memory but at least I remember a week back
lol
all i know is that Cercei is going to kill Kevan. i mean there has been a lot of kin slaying, so why the fuck not? so that will make Jaime leader of the Lannisters because he will rally them. or maybe Cercei crazy ass will rally them? hmm who knows my bet is jaime.
Daenerys is using a spell called "Dragon Speech". It gives her soldiers a boost in morale and loyalty
I think people often confuse build up to filler, but I'd say there is a fundamental difference. Without build up there can't be a story, but filler is just something inconsequential to the story, and I can't really say there was much of that in this episode - more or less everything was set up for the future episodes.
I actually like Walder Frey. I'm eager to see how Jaime will fit into this
Fuck... My bad.
I'm glad you knew what I meant. And I can't believe I didn't see the mistake when you quoted me.
I love Sam and Gilly and Baby Sam and I enjoyed meeting his family even if I despise Randyll. I know people dont think that stuff is interesting because its more character and not action but its going to prove important.
I hope they keep the part where Blackfysh hands him his butt and just makes a complete jackass out of him. That was my favorite part.
Huh. I thought more people would have found the Benjen rescue/reveal exciting. It was no thousand wights descending on a cave but it was pretty nice to see Benjen Coldhands back.
I am psyched to see Blackfysh back in the mix.
They said they were harkening back to the speech Kal Drogo gave and the promises he made. Now she can fulfill those promises.
You what?!?!
"How is this my rightful lord? My life sucks."
Lol its cool man, i make a shit load of mistakes myself.
Pros
Cons
No Greyjoys
*moment with Jamie and Cersi was gross and weird
Overall decent episode. It was good but the only i can describe this episode with is just disappointing
Damn just watched it. Go on Samwell, kill ya father with heartsbane.
Benjen is back, always thought he was out there
Several things to mention:
First I'm surprised: in this thread a lot of people didn't really like this episode (it mentionned several times as the weakest in the season); yet I saw that it was the favorite for "hardcore" books readers who still watch it. I wonder if show watchers want mainly fast action scenes and book readers like more the build-up.
Secondly: One scene which was really good imo was the one with the Mad King with that "Burn them all" line. My question is: we see an inside wildfire explosion.. Yet it never happened. Do Bran see the future or what could have been?
Thirdly, for those who also read the books, apparently GRRM released another chapter by reading it at a convention.
It's about valyrian armor and drinking nightshade.. Drinking it led to a dream of someone sitting on the Iron Throne.
Yeah, the slower episodes like this often get this kind of reception. I personally liked it, I just was left feeling like, "What? That's it?" when the credits started rolling. That's probably mostly because most of the episodes this season have ended with a bang. Well, this one kinda had that kind of ending too, it just didn't work that well. Overall though, this was an episode with many great moments.
I do think the wildfire explosion was foreshadowing to King's Landing burning.
I heard about the chapter being Damphair pov - my least favorite pov character :'D Otherwise though, it sounds like a very interesting chapter. I hope it pops up to internet at some point.
People want "wow" moments. This episode didnt really have any "Hodor" like scenes, which I think some fans expect every episode. It was very much about setting things up for the next phase of the story, and as a book reader, I was quite excited to see all the nods to the book and where the story might be going. I dont think it was weak at all, just like you said, more build up.
Well, I never.
Can I ask what you like about him? He looked like he had a twelve year old girl on his knee.
Lords can pass over their own issue in the line of succession if they need to. I believe Jaehaerys I did it when his secondborn son produced no children but a single daughter, leading him to chose the thirdborn son as his heir instead. Tywin always made it clear he wanted Jaime to inherit the Rock when he died, but its unclear in the show if Jaime has just been stripped of his position as Lord-Command or if he's been evicted from the Kingsguard entirely. Guess they might talk about it more in the next ep.
Was that before or after the part where Jaime collapsed Brynden's entire operation without shedding a single drop of blood? Yup, Jaime sure looked like a dope in THAT situation ¬_¬
I don't like him as a character -not that he is badly written or whatever, just that I don't like this zealot- but his POVs were pretty good imo.
It already popped here: https://angrygotfan.com/2016/05/29/the-winds-of-winter-the-damphair-part-1/
As crazy as it sounds, the guy wrote it as Martin read it. I checked quickly other people talking about it and it looks the same.
What an absolute madman.
I actually think Cersei will kill Margaery and Tommen will commit suicide.
Neat! Thanks for the link. And yeah, I think people have done that before when GRRM has read these sample chapters in conventions. Well, gotta read that at some point.
i really liked it. yes i hoped for revolt on KL 2.0, but what the HS did was brilliant (though i expected that to happen). Walder fookin Frey is back, how Jaime was "dismissed" from the King's Guard was cool, the Tarlly's scene was pretty good, but maybe a lil too long, the Arya stuff wa pretty cool too (though idk if i like how much time the play takes over), Benjen Fucking Strak is back!, Clegane Bowl hype keeps intensifying. so i liked it but it focused too much time on minor characters. the last scene was neat but did we need it? like i said a 7, scratching mid 8's, out 10.
oh and "BURN THEM ALLLLL!!" shit was epic.
cercei killing tommen would be fucking epic.
I dont know, its been awhile since I read the book. I just remember the part where Blackfysh totally defied Jaime and embarrassed him, but enlighten me.
Jaime and Blackfish talk, Blackfish's like "I aint 1v1ing you m8 you have no hand and also you suck, plus there's no way you're getting into this castle cos we can last out a siege for years" so Jaime's like "challenge accepted" and basically tricks Edmure into sneaking into the castle and getting it under Lannister control without any need for a battle.
The point of the sequence is that Brynden underestimates Jaime's capabilities, and Jaime promptly proves himself to be just as capable as Tywin was.