Luke didn't act like a friend towards Nick.
I replayed S2, last week and one thing that really caught my attention was that.
Luke really didn't act like Nick was his best friend, he threated Nick like he was his annoying little brother instead off a friend.
He doesn't want to bring Nick with him, onto the bridge because he doesn't trust him " to tie his own shoes ".
And instead he shows to Nick, he rather bring along a 11-year old child he only knew for a few days, with him on such a dangerous mission.
Instead of his best friend, which made Nick feel pretty bad I assume.
And when they escape Carver's camp Nick mention's something along the lines, that he is afraid of walking thru a horde of walkers.
In which Luke respond's " If, Clementine can do this then so can you "
Comparing Nick to a kid, instead off saying something like " Im sure you can do this Nick, you got this man "
Which is something a friend would say to another, instead off making him feel bad about himself in such a situation.
And Luke didn't want Nick to see the picture of Matthew, because he was afraid Nick would freak out if he saw it.
Which shows Luke didn't have any trust in Nick at all, but instead the opposite happens Nick shows he takes responsibility for his mistake.
And goes to confront Walter, that he accidently shot Matthew which shows in my opinion, that Nick really isn't the screw-up Luke thinks he is.
And when find Nick stuck in a fench, as a walker, we later find out he whent out off the trailer, to find help.
I don't know if it was his own idea, our that Luke suggested that.
But in my opinion you dont let your best friend, with a shot-wound in his shoulder, look for help in a walker-infested trailer-park.
If Nick, suggested that plan himself Luke should have talked him out of doing so, and if Luke suggested it to Nick.
That would really show he doesn't care about Nick.
Also when he finds out Nick is dead, he really doesn't seem to be sad about it.
Anyway this is something, that really caught my attention while replaying S2.
I would like to see, if other people saw there interaction the same way as I did, or if you have a different opinion about this.
And let me make clear, I didn't make this topic to hate on Luke since I know much people on this forum like his character.
Its just something, I noticed while replaying S2 and think is pretty interesting to discuss so lets all keep it civil 
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Also when he finds out Nick is dead, he really doesn't seem to be sad about it.
I honestly think for this part that it was the writing. Saving Nick didn't do much. What's more is that they didn't show how he died. It was Nick's Idea that he decided to out look for help. Then later when Clem talks to Luke, Luke doesn't seem to talk about Nick being dead much when he should have said more about him. It's like as if they act as if he was dead from Episode 2, which is why they didn't talk about him much. So I blame the lack of writing for this part.
I noticed this as well, and it really bugged me out. I mean, they are supposed to have known each other for more than twenty years and they even started a failed business together. It is hard to believe that, while Nick shows that he trusts and supports Luke, the latter appears detached from the friendship, constantly making him feel bad about his rushed actions and treating him like a child after he fell into depression. Of course you can say that different people react differently, but this degree is heavily unrealistic, and even disappointing for those whom Nick was their favorite character.
It isn't even that hard to fix, when you think about it! Maybe the writers did think that this was good storytelling and that the majority of the fanbase would agree.
Let's have Clementine and Jane enter the mobile home. The walkers haven't started knocking on the door, so they are free to go for now. The crew of five can't leave yet because Sarah is having an anxiety attack. Nick volunteers to go for help, and Luke appears reluctant, but he eventually agrees. They hug and Luke tells him to take care, and Nick heads off. Then the game takes course like usual, though the crew will find a reanimated Nick on their way out—Luke is devastated during the trip back to Parker's Run, and this will lead to Jane mentioning how she felt after her sister's death instead of describing the death.
Those who couldn't convince Walter to save Nick will have the game play out like it does now, and Jane will describe Jaime's death in detail and how they got into that situation.
Yes, that would have made allot more sense, if they wrote the scene like that.
Excellent post
Because the way they wrote it in the game, just made it seem Luke didn't give a damn about Nick's death.
But like, you said maby that was their intention because Luke didn't seem to care much about Nick when he was alive either.
To be fair, everyone but Clementine, Kenny and Jane seemed emotionless and even indifferent when it comes to casualties. I understand that 2 years into the ZA you're kinda used to people dying, but damn.
But Nick is supposed to be Luke's best friend.
I think Luke should have had a different reaction to that.
Then if a random group member dies that he didn't know before the apocalyps.
Well, you can chalk that up to either bad writing or Luke not caring enough. Your choice.
I think I'll choose the last one, in this situation
Fair enough.
That's probably the smart choice. I doubt the writers just forgot to make Luke react considering their friendship was one of the main themes at the beginning of the game.
Or lack thereof, LOL.
I don't even remember a scene where Luke even asks for Nick's whereabouts from Episode 3 if Walter lets him die in Episode 2, and he never seems to speak of him again right up until he reminiscences about his fallen friends in the finale.
I'd like to think that it's bad writing considering that Luke was supposed to be a compassionate and moral individual at best, but his consistently apathetic attitude towards Nick and his depression gives me the impression that Nick's fondness of Luke was one sided at best. If Luke's attitude towards Nick was intentional, then at least it gives Luke some depth and flaws that while he's a decent individual, he's not all that empathetic as he likes to think he is and isn't really considered to be reliable and friendly.
Sadly.
They kept talking about how good friends they are, but nothing in-game ever suggested as much.
If it wasn't for Nick's speech in EP2 I would just assume they met after the apocalypse.
My apologies for hijacking your comment, @RichWalk23!
Both Paige and Sam, and Luke and Nick, knew each other before the apocalypse, being best friends since an early age, and all four are in their twenties. The two couples of friends are a central duo to the main storyline.
Paige and Nick have both been depressed, and have thought about suicide—Paige via telling and Nick when trapped in the shed. Although they show that they care for Sam and Luke respectively, this appears to be mostly one-sided, and this has us questioning the writer's intentions simultaneously.
Furthermore, in both duos, there is somebody who is a member of a family that survived at least a while during the apocalypse. This person's fate is later indirectly determined by the choices of the protagonist—leaving your hallucinatios and convincing Walter.
There is a vague pattern here.
Interesting pattern, though I doubt it was an intentional reference.
That is a fair point
But in my opinion both of there friendship are portrayed abit different.
Because Samantha, as far as i know never mentions Paige is her best friend.
Also Paige, doesn't act like a very good friend towards Samantha, not wanting to help her when she wants her father to be buried.
With Nick and Luke we have Nick, who is always really supportive towards Luke and his ideas.
While Luke act's like Nick is a idiot, who cant do annything good.
With Sam & Paige they both, act indifferent towards eachother sometimes.
But with Nick & Luke there is only one person who acts indifferent towards the other the whole time.
NVM
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Right? I never understood people liking him so much. Sure he is nice but he was so badly written. His reaction to Nick's death in episode 4 was so UNREALISTIC and then changes the subject meaning they were never best friends. He doesn't even mention him if you let Walter kill him. Luke is the most careless person I've seen in this game, so overrated.
The only excuse I can think of for this situation that leaving Nick with Sarah could have been more dangerous, I mean, Nick was shot and all that, he could've turned into a walker if the wound wasn't treated properly.
But since Luke hadn't said almost anything about what actually happened, details please, even though he was his best friend since childhood, we'll never know what really happened. Luke, not even a tear, man? Luke either didn't really care about Nick enough, like saw him in "Shit happens, he was never thinking straight eh" light or the writers did a complete piece of shit on that part.
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Christa was appropriately distraught when Omid was killed in the opening scene. Rebecca was upset by both Alvin's and Nick's death. Walter was considering shooting Nick for killing Matthew. Bonnie was upset by Luke's death enough to blame Clementine.
Good post. I agree. Rebecca was more visibly upset by Nick's death than Luke was. After the assault by the Russians, when Luke is talking to Clementine, he expresses guilt and regret about not doing more to save people, but it is vague and kind of unconvincing. I too felt Luke was overrated as a character, while Nick had great potential and a psychology ripe for exploring.
NVM
but true
I don't see Luke not being a friend to Nick to be honest, I think Luke was just always giving Nick a hard time cause Nick was reckless and never could take criticism as he seems to show that demeanor during the entire season, let's face it Nick was hard headed. Also we cannot say Luke never cared for Nick, after all he did show compassion for him over the fact he had lost his own mother when he had to put her down after she had been bitten and became a zombie. I also do not think Luke was not saddened over his death but rather was grieving and dealing with it in his own way, everyone reacts differently some choose to show their emotions while others keep them bottled up and with Luke that seems to be the case.
Momentarily, sure. But, how many of them showed constant emotion throughout the season? Why didn't anybody react when Sarah died? Or when she lost her father? How about when Uncle Pete died?
Rebecca doesn't necessarily cry for Nick, I believe. In my opinion, it was more her realizing how bad shit has gone and just raw pregancy emotion more than anything else.
I mean, if Rebecca hadn't cried for Alvin I would have just turned the damn tv off and smashed my head against a wall.
Obviously, they showed flashes of being emotional and invested in the others. I mean, they're not robots, are they? They just didn't keep it up.
The last straw for me was people having no reaction at all to Sarah's death. An "Lol,K. Bye" would have been better at this point.
I wouldn't say Bonnie's bitching was due to Luke dying as it is perfectly clear what pissed her off was Clementine "not helping." She's perfectly fine if you choose the other option.
I won't count Christa cause' she's really a S1 character.
It is unrealistic that Kenny, Clem, and Jane would be more consistently emotional toward people they didn't know all that well, than the others who had presumably been together at Carver's camp much longer. We know Bonnie at least, was at the camp for over a year because we see Doug's/Carley's corpse in Russel's story. Since Clem is 11 in Season 2 the events in 400 days occurred up to like 1-1.5 years before. I get the feeling the cabin group had been at the camp for nearly as long as Bonnie.
You can blame the writers, I suppose. I don't know. I can't tell if it was the writers or if they just had dry personalities. I would probably go with the former. Think about it, a couple of characters who don't react much is fine, but literally no one seems to care that much about their friends dying unless they're directly related to them (Nick/Pete, Becca/Alvin).
I thought Nick was pretty useless. Luke is not Nick's dad and when Nick tried to think for himself he screwed it up every time. Luke was tough Nick said so himself that Luke can take it and just keep going he does not have time for crying he wanted to live. Be glad Luke was a nice guy and did not leave him to die a long time ago.
What a useless advice
I thought he was a good friend to Nick. Nick was an adult and in a survival situation every one has to bring their A game or at least B game he had no game.
What good friend? Luke gave him no weapon when Nick was about get help. Also he leaves him behind for a dangerous mission where Luke brings a kid he has only known for a few days.
I thought you could only do so much for Nick if Pete had lived it might have been different. Pete might have been able to whip him into shape but he died. Luke could have given him the machete at the trailer but then he would be defenseless that is a tough call. The bridge scene I get your point I doubt I would have brought a stranger with me I think I would have brought Alvin. I agreed with Luke Nick needed some time his uncle just died. Nick was my least favorite from the cabin group I am sure my dislike for him shading my thoughts on him.
I think, it would be best if they would have just stayed both inside the trailer.
Because It was to me pretty obvious that going outside, would be a suicide mission (especially for Nick with his shoulder-wound), and I think Luke knew that aswell.
I think Nick at that point, in the series was just really in a dark place, as we had seen before in the cellar.
When he risked his own life, while attacking the walkers with the whisky jars.
So if Luke was his best friend, he should have known how Nick was and protect him from making such a bad choice.
Instead of encouraging him to go out of the trailer to look for help from the others.
And then there is the other scenario. ( Because we as player's dont know what exactly happend before we reach the trailer.)
In which Luke told to Nick, " Hey Nick, i think it'd be best if you go look for help. While i stay inside the trailer and look after Sarah "
And i really wouldn't put that past Luke, because we have seen how in my opinion he really wasn't acting as a best friend towards Nick.
So in this scenario Nick, wouldn't have even thought about it being a live-risking descision to go outside.
Since he always trusted Luke and believed everything he told him.
I really think the case was, like you said in your post about Luke not being sad about Nick's death.
Applies in both this situation's aswell.
" Shit happens, he was never thinking straight eh "
@TheAutisticGamer
I understand, you do not like Luke's character but text like that are not neccessary.
In a civil disscusion about Luke's friendship with Nick.
I have seen different cases in which you where mad, when people where saying rude things.
About one of your favourite characters, so I dont think you should be doing the same.
All right, it won't happen again.
I deleted the texts.
You don't have to delete it for me im not a Mod
But i just wanted to point this out to you, because people will start saying things like that to you aswell.
About characters you like, and i noticed you really dont appreciate when someone says something mean about Sarah for example.
Not trying to be rude btw
Just wanted to give you some advice