Oh the guy who was in on the attack on Christa? Those guys?
And reggie did nothing? He helped Luke and them escape causing if not one dea… moreth, multiple deaths. He's lucky he even had a cameo in the episode.
Just cause he's brutish doesn't mean he wasn't justified.
And hope that outside of this game, you understand that the only thing that truly matters in this world is life and how precious it is, especially the young lives.
Explain it away how ever you want, I don't really care, your opinion on this matter is garbage. And hope that outside of this game, you unde… morerstand that the only thing that truly matters in this world is life and how precious it is, especially the young lives.
Yet the writers give me no reason to want to protect him or care for him whatsoever. While Clementine was a plot device it's a very poor comparison as she was interesting and formed a bond with Lee that felt free spirited and redeemed a once murderer into a care taker. AJ is forced upon us and the game gives you no choice but to protect him
A newborn rarely says much. What on earth do you expect? The plot only involves him insofar as Jane using him as an instigator to get at Ken… moreny. The plot focuses around Kenny and Jane's conflict and Clementine's reaction. Yes, Clem wants to protect the baby. Because she's not a sadist.
THe writers WANT you to want to protect AJ. That's the point! He IS a plot device insofar as you're supposed to want to protect him. Because they assume most people playing the game will be pretty well adjusted and not sadists.
Clem was that SAME plot device in TWD S1. She was the AJ of season 1.
But its a baby, most people, like 99% of people, will institutionally protect a baby. Not run around going "Oh this baby has nothing to endear itself to me" Its a completely helpless living being.
Yet the writers give me no reason to want to protect him or care for him whatsoever. While Clementine was a plot device it's a very poor com… moreparison as she was interesting and formed a bond with Lee that felt free spirited and redeemed a once murderer into a care taker. AJ is forced upon us and the game gives you no choice but to protect him
But its a baby, most people, like 99% of people, will institutionally protect a baby. Not run around going "Oh this baby has nothing to endear itself to me" Its a completely helpless living being.
How about just the people advocating abandoning or killing a baby?
FYI, I don't think I've specifically called anyone that. But I probably have implied it.
You unknowingly just proved my point. In Season 1 while it would be the obviously good thing to protect Clementine I personally did it because I fell in love with the character and Lee's attachment to her. I felt myself wanting to see her safe as with AJ it's more of a thing you're compelled to do more than.actual desire of keeping him with you. He exists for the sole purpose of conflict where.as Clementine served a much better purpose in redeeming Lee. Had Clementine not been in S1. Lee may not have been the character he was. If AJ wasn't in Season 2 there would be less forced conflict
But its a baby, most people, like 99% of people, will institutionally protect a baby. Not run around going "Oh this baby has nothing to endear itself to me" Its a completely helpless living being.
I don't call someone who dislikes a baby a sociopath, but someone who argues wether it's better to shoot it or feed it to zombies I will call out on their bullshit.
No I'm saying that the way we are debating is showing the age differences.
Like I am not attacking anyone's personal character. That's just the college kid in me. I'd have to assume they are younger since they are acting immaturely In a debate.
Can you blame them, though? Some people are literally saying that they would just let a baby die or kill it by themselves. Even if it is a zombie apocalypse, it's still bloody wrong. I mean, why kill a baby? Just because it's a plot device? What the fuck. Video game or not, you don't just wish for a baby to die or even kill it.
Yes there is. Everyone knows Hitler was evil, and I don't care how he was raised. And if you don't think he was then there's not something wrong with me. It's the other way around.
Yes there is. Everyone knows Hitler was evil, and I don't care how he was raised. And if you don't think he was then there's not something wrong with me. It's the other way around.
I rest my case.
I can see why people simply don't connect with AJ. I think, if telltale wrote the birth in during episode 3 as it's title screen suggested, AJ would have been easier to connect to. We would have spent more time with him and also see Rebecca taking care of him, giving us more of an incentive to protect him too. As it is, we had less than two episodes with him and most of his time caused only problems within the group, so I don't blame people for not liking him.
At the same time, I definitely don't think he should be killed or left to die. Despite all my gripes with season 2, I still think the writers made a good call with Clementine's character, especially when she was the moral compass of season 1. No matter who you have tried to make her out to be, she's still not at the point of leaving a defenseless baby to die. The game has never been about cruelty or nihilism, it's about keeping your humanity when the world is cruel and nihilistic. Lee still cared for Clem in a world where children could be easily killed. Chuck reinforced this theme with his emphasis on people. Crawford and to an extent Carver, who embodied this cruel world philosophy and can advocate for killing babies, are seen as the villains.
Is AJ just a plot device? Maybe. I don't think it really matters. His character is still just a baby, and even Judith in the show is treated as something to protect though she can be a liability. They're still symbols of preserving humanity. The game and show would feel empty without that idea.
That's not to say the babies should never die ever. They can. But if they do, I would want it to be for a bigger purpose than just "oh, that's just the way this cruel work works now" (which is why I hated Nick and Sarah's death so much). If AJ dies I want Clementine to have done everything she could have done to try to save him, and upon his death, be at an emotional low or breaking point. His death shouldn't come without consequence to the characters. Otherwise, if they willingly left him for dead or put him down just because he could be a liability, that would make Clementine or any other character she is with who agrees with the decision no better than the villains, and I don't think I would want to play the game anymore.
You just like saying things don't you? Even if they aren't related?
Alright man. I'll let you think you've won. Cause that's all that matters to you right now
I think it was because his mother is rebecca and because you basically get stuck with him and he caused the fight between jane and kenny to happen. It's just a guess though. If he wasn't there they would've never had a reason to fight other then they just didn't like each other and that would be a dumb reason to fight and they're both mature enough not to get into two people enter one leaves match just because they don't like each other. If I had to sum it up quickly aj caused bad things to happen things that wouldn't have happened had he not been born.
Why is it not okay for you and me to express our opinion? When we push back at the "how to kill a baby" discussion somehow we're taking things too far?
Why is it not okay for you and me to express our opinion? When we push back at the "how to kill a baby" discussion somehow we're taking things too far?
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Well only the one dude attacked christa there's no proof roman and the others did anything
And yet you're here telling me what to do. Odd.
Just giving you advice, that's all.
I'm not forcing you to agree with me or change your mind. Feel free to continue or stop, it's up to you.
This thread...
Jesus Christ. Can't say I'm surprised.
Wow. It's like amazing how I'm doing the same thing!
Unless I'm more powerful than I thought and can force people to agree over the internet. Maybe I'm a super hero!?
Nah, I eat children alive for a living.
Yet the writers give me no reason to want to protect him or care for him whatsoever. While Clementine was a plot device it's a very poor comparison as she was interesting and formed a bond with Lee that felt free spirited and redeemed a once murderer into a care taker. AJ is forced upon us and the game gives you no choice but to protect him
I can feel this thread being taken down sooner or later.
I mean, it's already falling, judging by all those arguments.
But its a baby, most people, like 99% of people, will institutionally protect a baby. Not run around going "Oh this baby has nothing to endear itself to me" Its a completely helpless living being.
Woah woah woah, I literally went away for only 10 minutes and I come back to find 62 new comment, WHAT?!
All right everyone, let's try calming down. No need to start labelling everyone as a sociopath.
How about just the people advocating abandoning or killing a baby?
FYI, I don't think I've specifically called anyone that. But I probably have implied it.
If a baby has to do something to endear itself to you before you'll protect it, please never have kids.
I thought this thread was pretty interesting, right up until people starting calling other opinions sociopathic...
How about not at all? It's extreme I agree on that but labelling them won't change that. It'll cause heated arguments.
Tell them to stop peddling baby murder and I'll think about it.
Advocating Baby Murder?
Damn you just didn't read what I said at all? You just saw the words "baby" and "death" huh?
This is how Obama must feel
My inbox counter is stuck at 81 now.
You unknowingly just proved my point. In Season 1 while it would be the obviously good thing to protect Clementine I personally did it because I fell in love with the character and Lee's attachment to her. I felt myself wanting to see her safe as with AJ it's more of a thing you're compelled to do more than.actual desire of keeping him with you. He exists for the sole purpose of conflict where.as Clementine served a much better purpose in redeeming Lee. Had Clementine not been in S1. Lee may not have been the character he was. If AJ wasn't in Season 2 there would be less forced conflict
You'll probably want to get used to people thinking that being okay with or wanting a baby dead is pretty messed up, because that's the real world.
They aren't.
The way you are raised is what molds your morals. Their isn't one code for humans.
I don't call someone who dislikes a baby a sociopath, but someone who argues wether it's better to shoot it or feed it to zombies I will call out on their bullshit.
Oh, I should engage in the heated arguments? I think I'll pass.
No I'm saying that the way we are debating is showing the age differences.
Like I am not attacking anyone's personal character. That's just the college kid in me. I'd have to assume they are younger since they are acting immaturely In a debate.
That's not wrong, right?
Can you blame them, though? Some people are literally saying that they would just let a baby die or kill it by themselves. Even if it is a zombie apocalypse, it's still bloody wrong. I mean, why kill a baby? Just because it's a plot device? What the fuck. Video game or not, you don't just wish for a baby to die or even kill it.
Yes there is. Everyone knows Hitler was evil, and I don't care how he was raised. And if you don't think he was then there's not something wrong with me. It's the other way around.
I rest my case.
Oh you guys don't see the obvious metaphor?
Alright more money for them.
My inbox counter died a long time ago, lol.
Again, not other opinions, but discussing about how to kill a baby.
You just like saying things don't you? Even if they aren't related?
Alright man. I'll let you think you've won. Cause that's all that matters to you right now
I don't think you need to at all. And I don't consider this heated in the least. This is mild stuff, man. I've seen some things :-)
Let the record show you're the one who can't let this go. I rested my case an hour ago.
I can see why people simply don't connect with AJ. I think, if telltale wrote the birth in during episode 3 as it's title screen suggested, AJ would have been easier to connect to. We would have spent more time with him and also see Rebecca taking care of him, giving us more of an incentive to protect him too. As it is, we had less than two episodes with him and most of his time caused only problems within the group, so I don't blame people for not liking him.
At the same time, I definitely don't think he should be killed or left to die. Despite all my gripes with season 2, I still think the writers made a good call with Clementine's character, especially when she was the moral compass of season 1. No matter who you have tried to make her out to be, she's still not at the point of leaving a defenseless baby to die. The game has never been about cruelty or nihilism, it's about keeping your humanity when the world is cruel and nihilistic. Lee still cared for Clem in a world where children could be easily killed. Chuck reinforced this theme with his emphasis on people. Crawford and to an extent Carver, who embodied this cruel world philosophy and can advocate for killing babies, are seen as the villains.
Is AJ just a plot device? Maybe. I don't think it really matters. His character is still just a baby, and even Judith in the show is treated as something to protect though she can be a liability. They're still symbols of preserving humanity. The game and show would feel empty without that idea.
That's not to say the babies should never die ever. They can. But if they do, I would want it to be for a bigger purpose than just "oh, that's just the way this cruel work works now" (which is why I hated Nick and Sarah's death so much). If AJ dies I want Clementine to have done everything she could have done to try to save him, and upon his death, be at an emotional low or breaking point. His death shouldn't come without consequence to the characters. Otherwise, if they willingly left him for dead or put him down just because he could be a liability, that would make Clementine or any other character she is with who agrees with the decision no better than the villains, and I don't think I would want to play the game anymore.
I rested my case an hour ago. You kept it going. If you're done, then I'm done.
I think it was because his mother is rebecca and because you basically get stuck with him and he caused the fight between jane and kenny to happen. It's just a guess though. If he wasn't there they would've never had a reason to fight other then they just didn't like each other and that would be a dumb reason to fight and they're both mature enough not to get into two people enter one leaves match just because they don't like each other. If I had to sum it up quickly aj caused bad things to happen things that wouldn't have happened had he not been born.
Why is it not okay for you and me to express our opinion? When we push back at the "how to kill a baby" discussion somehow we're taking things too far?
You call me a sadist. You tell me I'm advocating for baby murder.
And you expect the case to rest? What kinda troll are you! You don't say stuff like that and just think it has no effect.
I don't know really.
You're taking this way too seriously. He's a character in a story not a human being
You haven't made a case.
You barely made a point. You're just saying things that sound bad to make me look bad.