To those who like Arvo...
Recently having just returned to the forums and reading up on most of the newer threads, I noticed that a select few people, not many mind you, appear to genuinely like Arvo as a character. Now, it's no secret that he's not one of the most loved characters and in fact, could be argued to be one of the most hated, but I'm actually quite interested to know why some seem to like him. Not judging you or faulting you for liking him, just curious.
I, personally, am not a fan of Arvo and at the moment, can't understand why someone would come to like him. Sympathise and feel pity for him, sure, but to actually have a liking for him, especially after what he did, is harder for me to get my head around. Anyway, feel free to leave your opinion on Arvo and while this is mostly directed at those who like him, it's open for everyone to express their view on him.
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I'd like to know that as well. Like him as a character? Seriously?
Id like to know too, I somewhat understand sympathy but I cant see any reason to actually like the guy.
Maybe russian players like him only for the fact that he is russian
It's not that I like him, I just feel sympathy for him. I don't hate him though. Think about it, he had his whole group killed right before his eyes (one of them being his own sister), being beat to a pulp by Kenny, and having the same people that killed his entire group, force him to take them to his campsite. I felt bad.
I wonder the same thing. Why some people like Arvo? I mean, Clementine is alive just because he cant shoot very well. Otherwise, Clementine would be dead by now.
But it's his own fault. He had no reason to ambush Clem's group if she doesn't steal his medicine (The gun thing is kinda stupid). Why sympathies with him when he is the one started all this?
I'm a russian player, I like him, and I honestly couldn't care less about where he comes from. In fact, I only ever remember the fact he is russian when someone else mentions it.
...No? It's kinda not? Weapons are as crucial for survival in the apocalypse as meds are, if not more necessary.
Well, I'm certainty not a fan of Arvo, but to say he deserved to have his only remaining family, that being his sister, killed in front of him, is a bit harsh. I'll admit him setting up the ambush was foolish (bad writing) if you didn't take the meds, but Jane did intimidate and threaten his life, so he wanted some kind of revenge. And, I also know that if Kenny (and my Lee) had been in Arvo's situation and had something of his being stolen along with his life being threatened, he'd probably go after some revenge on the group who did it, but I'd doubt you'd say he'd deserve to have his family killed for it?
Anyway, but yeah, Arvo did technically start it and is kinda stupid, but it's not like he'd ever actually intended for the shootout to happen, but yeah, he's still a fairly unlikable shit.
Guns are not the best weapons. Using bullets attracts walkers from distance. Melee weapons are better
That's right. He brought his friends to rob the group, and the group just defended themselves. I dont know what he was expecting to happen in a situation like that.
Besides, Kenny and Mike tried to calm them down multiple times.
I can see your point but I don't think he deserved having his sister killed in front of him and to be beaten like that.
He brought his group to rob Clem's and her group was just defending themselves.
Well, if he didnt want to see his sister dead, he should never have bring her to steal from us in the first place. That was his fault.
THIS!!!
But what did Clem and Jane do though?! He wanted revenge.
watch as many hungry people find ways to berate the scrawny mourning disabled teenager
more news at five
My Clementine didn't rob him! Revenge for what? For a stupid gun? If he was coming for Jane then why did he say "I told them you're the ones who robbed me, they think it's funny that you're just a little girl" instead of "I came for the woman who took my gun, where is she?"?
If Arvo didn't want his sister to die, then why did he brought her with him in the first place?
I don't necessarily like him, but I can sympathise because he lost his sister. That's probably all the sympathy I have for him, though, because he shot Clementine even after I asked to leave with him, Bonnie, and Mike. sigh
Doesnt make what he did any less bad
Provides some explanation (post robbing everyone of course), and may cause some sympathy, but it doesnt make me like him
Doesnt make what he did any less bad
Age, maybe. But he's old enough to know what he is doing
Because he didn't decide to get involved in this situation.
When Jane took his gun, Arvo was left defenseless to walk back to his crew's base. The risk of this is amplified by his inability to run. He was forced to approach walkers and use a melee weapon, when he would clearly lose a struggle against them if it came to it, due to his impaired leg.
Neither Arvo nor Natasha appeared to be the leader of their crew. I would personally say that Vitali was the head, given that the person with the assault rifle in both "Amid The Ruins" and "No Going Back" was giving orders, and it was confirmed that Buricko was meant to be Vitali in "Amid The Ruins."
When Arvo arrived, Vitali asked what happened that he lost his gun, and Arvo confessed. Vitali decided that it would be a good idea to get retribution at this group, and, since Arvo was the only one who knew them, and the one who spoke English most fluently, he was forced go back to the observation deck with the others closely behind. Out of a matter of convenience, Arvo and Natasha could not ditch Buricko and Vitali. He wore a leg brace and she appeared to suffer from a medical condition.
Arvo shows himself reluctant and non-threatening during the course of the ambush, even before he learned that our group had a baby. At that point, he straight up begged for Vitali—at that time Buricko—to back off, same as Natasha and Buricko—at that time Vitali. Nonetheless, after feeling threatened by a gunshot, Vitali—at that time Buricko—opened fire, indirectly causing the death of Arvo's sister.
We all know the rest on the story.
Who says that he and Natasha idealized the plan, instead of Vitali or Buricko who are much more physically capable? Vitali in particular—who has Buricko's model in "Amid The Ruins"—appears to be the leader of the group, while the other three begged him to back off our crew.
I feel the need to ignore the original post as the poster did with one of the threads in question.
ARVO??? ARE YOU SERIOUS I WILL STEP ON THAT ASSHOLE WITH MY 49 BOOT ON HIS BALLS I WILL MAKE HIM A LADY
Lol
Arvo pulled a gun on Clementine...Jane took the gun....Arvo only has himself to blame for how events happened.
This is all heresay and fanfiction, there is no proof any of this happened and furthermore none of this makes me like Arvo. Like I said I can get some sympathy however even if all this was canon none of it makes me like him.
I mean seriously, They disarmed a threat and told him to leave, and for this arvo believes the whole group must surrender all their supplies.
They probably like him because he's a kid.
But it's a weapon nonetheless. Every single weapon, item matters in the apocalypse.
EDIT : a typo
It's not really a fanfiction, it's a theory which can be kinda backed up. I highly doubt Arvo was the leader of the group. You don't have to like him.
I never really trusted Arvo at all after the shootout and didn't really care about him. This is why it wasn't that much of a surprise when he shot Clementine.
Having said that, it has been really understated what Clementine and Jane done to him on here imo. You rob someone like that then hell yeah they are going to come after you.
Except yes it was his fault. Sure, he needed weapons but that doesn't give him any right to ambush Clementine's group with his naive attitude of "Oh well maybe this group of people will just give us their guns" - and not to be funny or anything but his group consisted of four people, one of them had a pistol, one of them had a shotgun, one of them had an AK, all of them had ammunition. Arvo clearly went in with rose-tinted glasses in the hopes that he could just rob Clementine, leaving a baby, a child, and a group of five adults (including Rebecca; mother of said baby) defenseless in the freezing cold with little to no food, medicine, water, or basically any supplies.
I don't feel sympathy for Arvo, one bit. At least with Ben and Nick, they had reasons (very, very poor reasons but reason enough). The fact that Arvo led his own sister into harm's way and then is suddenly "Oh how dare you murder my sister" to a child, to the point where he shoots the child after being treated with goodwill by two members of the group who could have been killed because of him (Bonnie and Mike), is reason enough to wish him dead.
EDIT: By the way, do I agree with Jane for wanting to take the meds? No. Do I think he deserved to be killed/have his sister killed? Of course not. Doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly lie and admit that "Oh yeah he wasn't a bad guy."
I can understand sympathy, I just cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would go beyond sympathy and actually like him.
EDIT 2 (Another one): If you think that stealing Arvo's revolver means that he had reason enough to go against Clementine's group...No. That literally makes no sense to me whatsoever. "My revolver got taken so I will rob and put in harm's way, a baby, a mother, a child, and this group of adults with the perpetrator (Jane) not there, which will lead me to think the perpetrator will jump out of me at any minute because this group totally expected me to ambush them at this moment."
His voice actor did a pretty good job. Felt very believable, instead of just some cheesy generic Russian bad guy.
But he was clearly their main line of communication. I highly doubt he was the leader, but he translated and was the main communication for both groups. Not only did he lead his group to Clementine's group (because he must have told them), with plans for an ambush (in which he foolishly hoped Clementine and the others would give up their weapons and just leave), but his sudden regret for Clementine's group does little to absolve him, if anything it really highlights his incompetence.
no offense but.....
that entire post that you just made is just you putting words into my mouth when i described our little "season two villain" as what he is, whether you want to believe it or not.
a scrawny.
mourning.
disabled.
teenager.
that's all i said.
Still, they agreed to come. So nope
Well, someone stealing your weapon in apocalypse isn't the most comforting thing to hear. (Jane was overreacting by wanting to steal all the medicine AND a gun from a guy she doesn't even know.) So they coming after Clem's group is justified but not necessarily worth of shooting at each other without any communication (I'm clarifying this although I shouldn't, but I do not think it was right thing of the Russians to take everyone's weapons and such.)
Arvo just had to deal with Jane, who left the group at that time but I would too be suspicious if she really left or not, one on one and try asking her politely to return the sacred gun to him. It was wrong of him though to blame Clementine for everything. I don't know if he said anything important in Russian so that's all I have for now.
I actually think that he is a good character, controverse, important, one that make us ponder about how to react on him. I think that Arvo fits well in the story, I don't like him though, mostly because, even knowing that things went bad with him and his group because this is TWD and shit happens all the time I still have him as an enemy, I mean, once you ambush me and my group and try to rob us, you are the enemy, so I am not imprisioning you, I am not beating you, I am killing you. Use him to take us to the house and then kill him there, it only seems wrong if you're fooling yourself into thinking that there was any other option, Kenny is the only one who does what needs to be done, the rest of the group love to talk around, but can't even deal a prisioner that was ready to rob us like, 5 minutes ago.
Honestly, I think my main reason for liking Arvo is because he has more character in the one and half episodes he appears in than Season 2 Clementine has throughout the entire game. It's pretty hard to care because nothing happens to Clementine after she gets shot. You would think that something would happen after getting shot almost point blank range by a rifle, but no. She just kinda wakes up from a nap, complains about a small amount of pain, and then nothing? Jane was the only one who seems to care about Clem getting shot... for all of five seconds. (Kenny, on the other hand, only comments on how Clem stopped Mike, Arvo, and possibly Bonnie from stealing the car???)
I find it kinda funny that we're supposed to "hate" this scrawny, limping, crying teenager, and yet, look at the villains from season 1: Cannibals, bandits, a society of people who literally kill children, AND finally, someone who kidnaps Clementine and was trying to kill Lee. Yet, out of all those people, Arvo is the most hated character of this game.
Seriously, why are people even blaming Arvo for the death of his sister when he wasn't the one who caused it? Like, props to you if you can give me a clear reason as to how Arvo started the fight without using the same "he brought his group to them," or "he shouldn't have had his gun get taken in the first place."
Also funny how everyone was upset about Carver beating Kenny, and yet Kenny turns around and does the exact same thing to Arvo (Three times nonetheless) and people can actually still find ways to defend Kenny doing that.