That doesn't absolve Arvo in any way possible. He's still a bad person for the things he did such as shooting Clementine for no real reason other than "you killed my sister, which was technically my fault for leading you into this situation and failing to see how it could possibly escalate, and even then failing to do anything to not escalate it other than just beg everyone to not fight which will totally work out super well". Stealing the gun or not, he was wrong, like you said.
Well, someone stealing your weapon in apocalypse isn't the most comforting thing to hear. (Jane was overreacting by wanting to steal all th… moree medicine AND a gun from a guy she doesn't even know.) So they coming after Clem's group is justified but not necessarily worth of shooting at each other without any communication (I'm clarifying this although I shouldn't, but I do not think it was right thing of the Russians to take everyone's weapons and such.)
Arvo just had to deal with Jane, who left the group at that time but I would too be suspicious if she really left or not, one on one and try asking her politely to return the sacred gun to him. It was wrong of him though to blame Clementine for everything. I don't know if he said anything important in Russian so that's all I have for now.
I recently did a discussion that used this as an example.
To summarize my thoughts there, I spent three days of researching to confidently confirm that the story goes: Jane decided to steal and kept his gun(and determonately the meds) while he was minding his own business(which makes it even more unnecessary considering he was gonna hide the meds there in the first place), he had to return to his group and tell them about it, I posthumously assume it was Natasha's idea to get payback(she reveals herself first with her gun pointed if you tell the group Arvo might be mad and it was her medicine at stakein the first place), Buricko(according to dialogue) decided to have Arvo rob the group despite his obvious scruples (and Buricko's own indecision), Rebecca getting put down caused Buricko to OK fire, and you know the rest.
Personally, I find Arvo to be too harmless, ineffectual, and weakwilled for me to actively hate. I don't really like him but not hate either
I never said it absolved Arvo of what he later does—this is me explaining why I sympathized with him and nothing more. Feelings do not need to be backed up with facts, and @AronDracula asked why somebody would sympathize with Arvo.
That doesn't absolve Arvo in any way possible. He's still a bad person for the things he did such as shooting Clementine for no real reason … moreother than "you killed my sister, which was technically my fault for leading you into this situation and failing to see how it could possibly escalate, and even then failing to do anything to not escalate it other than just beg everyone to not fight which will totally work out super well". Stealing the gun or not, he was wrong, like you said.
I'm mainly responding to MarijaaNo7 when it comes to absolving Arvo, not you. And I'm not saying what you've said isn't fact? I just gave my point of view on Arvo, that's it.
I never said it absolved Arvo of what he later does—this is me explaining why I sympathized with him and nothing more. Feelings do not need to be backed up with facts, and @AronDracula asked why somebody would sympathize with Arvo.
I'm mainly responding to MarijaaNo7 when it comes to absolving Arvo, not you. And I'm not saying what you've said isn't fact? I just gave my point of view on Arvo, that's it.
I'm not sure why I like him as a character. I can understand why people hate him..I guess it's because I usually like characters people hate.. I just ..kind of like him I mean yeah I was a bit upset that he shot Clem..but I just......don't hate him? I think he could have had potential at least if the writing was a bit better. Sometimes I just like characters and don't really have a reason why..
I was explaining why I sympathized with Arvo, since @AronDracula asked specifically why somebody would. This is not some story that I made up for others to pity him. I assumed that this happened, since it is very likely, but I am not claiming that it did nor that everyone should believe it.
This is all heresay and fanfiction
I dunno what the fuck you're sayin' but I know it's bullshit!
This is all heresay and fanfiction, there is no proof any of this happened and furthermore none of this makes me like Arvo. Like I said I can get some sympathy however even if all this was canon none of it makes me like him.
no offense but.....
that entire post that you just made is just you putting words into my mouth when i described our little "season two v… moreillain" as what he is, whether you want to believe it or not.
a scrawny.
mourning.
disabled.
teenager.
that's all i said.
See this is another argument I dont get, I dont think arvo is worse than carver or people like that but that doesnt mean hes a good person or likeable either.
Also Im guessing most people hate him as he gets away scot free, all the other villans of the series die.
Honestly, I think my main reason for liking Arvo is because he has more character in the one and half episodes he appears in than Season 2 C… morelementine has throughout the entire game. It's pretty hard to care because nothing happens to Clementine after she gets shot. You would think that something would happen after getting shot almost point blank range by a rifle, but no. She just kinda wakes up from a nap, complains about a small amount of pain, and then nothing? Jane was the only one who seems to care about Clem getting shot... for all of five seconds. (Kenny, on the other hand, only comments on how Clem stopped Mike, Arvo, and possibly Bonnie from stealing the car???)
I find it kinda funny that we're supposed to "hate" this scrawny, limping, crying teenager, and yet, look at the villains from season 1: Cannibals, bandits, a society of people who literally kill children, AND finally, someone who kidnaps Clementine and was trying to kill L… [view original content]
How do we know he's the one that came up with the plan though? He could've easily went to Buricko and Vitali and they could've forced Arvo to hunt down Clem's group. It might seem like a stupid gun to you, but I'm sorry if someone took away my source of protection during a zombie apocalypse I'd be pissed off too.
My Clementine didn't rob him! Revenge for what? For a stupid gun? If he was coming for Jane then why did he say "I told them you're the ones… more who robbed me, they think it's funny that you're just a little girl" instead of "I came for the woman who took my gun, where is she?"?
If Arvo didn't want his sister to die, then why did he brought her with him in the first place?
I feel sympathy for him. I find his moral position a very interesting and complex one. Losing someone close to you without knowing the entire truthful circumstances of what happened. It makes him into an arrogant, selfish, desperate but harmless kid into a cold vengeful survivor.
What annoyed me the most is that our choice didn't matter AT ALL. I was trying to be nice to him, protected him from Kenny, but he still looked at Clem like she's some piece of shit. And honestly, I don't care if Clementine shot his sister, she friggin TURNED, what was I supposed to do? Let her kill Clem and AJ?? So yeah, there's my answer. Don't like him.
How do we know he's the one that came up with the plan though? He could've easily went to Buricko and Vitali and they could've forced Arvo t… moreo hunt down Clem's group. It might seem like a stupid gun to you, but I'm sorry if someone took away my source of protection during a zombie apocalypse I'd be pissed off too.
I find it kinda funny that we're supposed to "hate" this scrawny, limping, crying teenager, and yet, look at the villains from season 1: Cannibals, bandits, a society of people who literally kill children, AND finally, someone who kidnaps Clementine and was trying to kill Lee. Yet, out of all those people, Arvo is the most hated character of this game.
Everything you said there is true, Arvo is a fairly pathetic character and when compared to other villains, he seems to be even smaller a threat, but that doesn't excuse or downplay what he did. He shot an 11 year old kid, one who most of the fan base love, whilst the St Johns, Crawford and The Stranger all did awful things, they never brought about much physical damage to Clementine, nor were they ever seen directly attempting to murder her, unlike Arvo.
Just because he's weak does not change the fact he could of potentially brought about people's deaths and obviously worst of all, a child's, who he directly attempts to kill with intent. He may be a "scrawny, limping, crying teenager", but what he does is just as bad as any of the other villains' actions, and some might say worse, simply because at least with the likes of Carver, they did it for survival and some sort of benefit, Arvo did what he did for pure and cruel revenge.
Also funny how everyone was upset about Carver beating Kenny, and yet Kenny turns around and does the exact same thing to Arvo (Three times nonetheless) and people can actually still find ways to defend Kenny doing that.
Now, Carver's beating of Kenny was a hell of a lot worse than Kenny's on Arvo's. Not saying how Kenny behaved was right, but to say it's the exact same is false, in my opinion. Did Arvo get his entire eye crushed in? No, I don't think so, but if he did, I'd probably still believe how Kenny treated Arvo, while wrong and to an extent, cruel, is completely understandable. Arvo had basically nearly got everyone, including the baby and Clementine, killed and was a member of the group, who carried out the attack. At this stage, Kenny just saw Arvo what he technically was-an enemy of the rival group, who was being used as a prisoner with there being no reason to treat him well, as he, ya know, nearly killed everyone with his pals.
Honestly, I think my main reason for liking Arvo is because he has more character in the one and half episodes he appears in than Season 2 C… morelementine has throughout the entire game. It's pretty hard to care because nothing happens to Clementine after she gets shot. You would think that something would happen after getting shot almost point blank range by a rifle, but no. She just kinda wakes up from a nap, complains about a small amount of pain, and then nothing? Jane was the only one who seems to care about Clem getting shot... for all of five seconds. (Kenny, on the other hand, only comments on how Clem stopped Mike, Arvo, and possibly Bonnie from stealing the car???)
I find it kinda funny that we're supposed to "hate" this scrawny, limping, crying teenager, and yet, look at the villains from season 1: Cannibals, bandits, a society of people who literally kill children, AND finally, someone who kidnaps Clementine and was trying to kill L… [view original content]
It is important to note that he never knew that she had turned.
Kenny had just taken him hostage to convince Vitali to come to the open, and Arvo was struggling to look at his sister, whom he had been performing chest compressions on. He assumed that she was alive, because she was standing up and crawling to safety, and, from his perspective, Clementine shot her in cold blood. I would be pissed too, especially considering that the kid acts like it never happened.
Of course, we know that it didn't happen that way, but the never did.
What annoyed me the most is that our choice didn't matter AT ALL. I was trying to be nice to him, protected him from Kenny, but he still loo… moreked at Clem like she's some piece of shit. And honestly, I don't care if Clementine shot his sister, she friggin TURNED, what was I supposed to do? Let her kill Clem and AJ?? So yeah, there's my answer. Don't like him.
"I told them you're the ones who robbed me, they think it's funny that you're just a little girl and they want you and your friends to put down your guns so we can take your things"
If anything, I am not surprised that somebody would confess about being robbed to their group, but that doesn't mean that he had the idea to retaliate. If anything, this quote backs up the fact that they want to rob our group's supplies, nor Arvo nor Natasha, since only Buricko and Vitali laughed. Arvo is talking about those who laughed.
"I told them you're the ones who robbed me, they think it's funny that you're just a little girl and they want you and your friends to put down your guns so we can take your things"
"I told them you're the ones who robbed me, they think it's funny that you're just a little girl and they want you and your friends to put down your guns so we can take your things"
If anything, I am not surprised that somebody would confess about being robbed to their group, but that doesn't mean that he had the idea to… more retaliate. If anything, this quote backs up the fact that they want to rob our group's supplies, nor Arvo nor Natasha, since only Buricko and Vitali laughed. Arvo is talking about those who laughed.
Can you really blame Jane for deciding to take the gun away from a complete stranger who threatened to shoot her? Remember, it was Arvo's own choice to go to the Observation Deck and attempt to shove his bag of medicine in a trash can in the first place. Not to mention that going anywhere alone in the apocalypse is a bad idea, especially when you have a group and have a disability. He took the risks for an unknown intention. Arvo posed a threat to the group, especially when he revealed that there were others with him and Jane took the risk of letting him go.
You don't know what occurred in Arvo's story after he left the observation deck though, this is all speculation. It's very likely that rather than 'retribution' they decided to just ambush the group or possibly any group making their way towards the town - considering Arvo's group wait to ambush for one or multiple days - depending on Clementine's decision.
Because he didn't decide to get involved in this situation.
When Jane took his gun, Arvo was left defenseless to walk back to his crew's … morebase. The risk of this is amplified by his inability to run. He was forced to approach walkers and use a melee weapon, when he would clearly lose a struggle against them if it came to it, due to his impaired leg.
Neither Arvo nor Natasha appeared to be the leader of their crew. I would personally say that Vitali was the head, given that the person with the assault rifle in both "Amid The Ruins" and "No Going Back" was giving orders, and it was confirmed that Buricko was meant to be Vitali in "Amid The Ruins."
When Arvo arrived, Vitali asked what happened that he lost his gun, and Arvo confessed. Vitali decided that it would be a good idea to get retribution at this group, and, since Arvo was the only one who knew them, and the one who spoke English most fluently, he was forced go back to the observa… [view original content]
I kind of liked Arvo but in no way does that mean his actions were justified in my opinion and I kind of dislike him as well. He was a character who invoked sympathy, definitely, but I did like how he stood up to his bully and he felt like an interesting character. Would've been nice to have gotten the chance to get to know characters like Arvo more instead of having them die with little character development.
Let's not forget how Arvo complains about the group stealing from them(the medicine) after Arvo tried to stash the medicine in a rubbish bin... what was his intent I wonder?
"I told them you're the ones who robbed me, they think it's funny that you're just a little girl and they want you and your friends to put down your guns so we can take your things"
Perhaps Arvo and his crew were in fact robbers, though this piece of evidence is, in my opinion, too minuscule to base my thoughts off. Anyway, thank you for pointing it out.
Well.. I felt bad when Kenny treated him like that.. But still, I did everything to be nice to him and it didn't make a difference. I mean, he should've assumed that there was no way that Clem killed his sister, she didn't steal from him, she defended him... and he shot her anyway.. I wonder where is he now.
It is important to note that he never knew that she had turned.
Kenny had just taken him hostage to convince Vitali to come to the open, … moreand Arvo was struggling to look at his sister, whom he had been performing chest compressions on. He assumed that she was alive, because she was standing up and crawling to safety, and, from his perspective, Clementine shot her in cold blood. I would be pissed too, especially considering that the kid acts like it never happened.
Of course, we know that it didn't happen that way, but the never did.
I don't think that "we" means anything. He specifically said "they" wanted them to put down their guns, the we doesn't necessarily mean he actually wanted to steal their things.
I don't think that "we" means anything. He specifically said "they" wanted them to put down their guns, the we doesn't necessarily mean he actually wanted to steal their things.
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That doesn't absolve Arvo in any way possible. He's still a bad person for the things he did such as shooting Clementine for no real reason other than "you killed my sister, which was technically my fault for leading you into this situation and failing to see how it could possibly escalate, and even then failing to do anything to not escalate it other than just beg everyone to not fight which will totally work out super well". Stealing the gun or not, he was wrong, like you said.
I recently did a discussion that used this as an example.
To summarize my thoughts there, I spent three days of researching to confidently confirm that the story goes: Jane decided to steal and kept his gun(and determonately the meds) while he was minding his own business(which makes it even more unnecessary considering he was gonna hide the meds there in the first place), he had to return to his group and tell them about it, I posthumously assume it was Natasha's idea to get payback(she reveals herself first with her gun pointed if you tell the group Arvo might be mad and it was her medicine at stakein the first place), Buricko(according to dialogue) decided to have Arvo rob the group despite his obvious scruples (and Buricko's own indecision), Rebecca getting put down caused Buricko to OK fire, and you know the rest.
Personally, I find Arvo to be too harmless, ineffectual, and weakwilled for me to actively hate. I don't really like him but not hate either
I never said it absolved Arvo of what he later does—this is me explaining why I sympathized with him and nothing more. Feelings do not need to be backed up with facts, and @AronDracula asked why somebody would sympathize with Arvo.
I'm mainly responding to MarijaaNo7 when it comes to absolving Arvo, not you. And I'm not saying what you've said isn't fact? I just gave my point of view on Arvo, that's it.
I may or may not have intended to reply to @Firewallcano…
Sorry for the inconveniences.
Aha, it's okay :P
I'm not sure why I like him as a character. I can understand why people hate him..I guess it's because I usually like characters people hate.. I just ..kind of like him I mean yeah I was a bit upset that he shot Clem..but I just......don't hate him? I think he could have had potential at least if the writing was a bit better. Sometimes I just like characters and don't really have a reason why..
I was explaining why I sympathized with Arvo, since @AronDracula asked specifically why somebody would. This is not some story that I made up for others to pity him. I assumed that this happened, since it is very likely, but I am not claiming that it did nor that everyone should believe it.
I dunno what the fuck you're sayin' but I know it's bullshit!
No, but really. "Heresay" is a new word for me.
Well not really
You said that as though those mean people shouldnt dislike him, none of them absolve him of his wrongdoing whatsoever.
Followed up with a sarcastic comment, suggesting again its ridiculous to dislike arvo for four reasons which dont absolve him whatsoever
I know and I dont.
But this whole thread is asking why people like arvo, not pity him or sympathize with him. So far ive seen nothing.
Yeah that was good, the actor did well, it doesnt make me like the character though.
See this is another argument I dont get, I dont think arvo is worse than carver or people like that but that doesnt mean hes a good person or likeable either.
Also Im guessing most people hate him as he gets away scot free, all the other villans of the series die.
How do we know he's the one that came up with the plan though? He could've easily went to Buricko and Vitali and they could've forced Arvo to hunt down Clem's group. It might seem like a stupid gun to you, but I'm sorry if someone took away my source of protection during a zombie apocalypse I'd be pissed off too.
I feel sympathy for him. I find his moral position a very interesting and complex one. Losing someone close to you without knowing the entire truthful circumstances of what happened. It makes him into an arrogant, selfish, desperate but harmless kid into a cold vengeful survivor.
Who's to say she actually wanted to come?
What annoyed me the most is that our choice didn't matter AT ALL. I was trying to be nice to him, protected him from Kenny, but he still looked at Clem like she's some piece of shit. And honestly, I don't care if Clementine shot his sister, she friggin TURNED, what was I supposed to do? Let her kill Clem and AJ?? So yeah, there's my answer. Don't like him.
But is it necesary to ambush someone who gave you medicine back? He/she would have trusted you
Everything you said there is true, Arvo is a fairly pathetic character and when compared to other villains, he seems to be even smaller a threat, but that doesn't excuse or downplay what he did. He shot an 11 year old kid, one who most of the fan base love, whilst the St Johns, Crawford and The Stranger all did awful things, they never brought about much physical damage to Clementine, nor were they ever seen directly attempting to murder her, unlike Arvo.
Just because he's weak does not change the fact he could of potentially brought about people's deaths and obviously worst of all, a child's, who he directly attempts to kill with intent. He may be a "scrawny, limping, crying teenager", but what he does is just as bad as any of the other villains' actions, and some might say worse, simply because at least with the likes of Carver, they did it for survival and some sort of benefit, Arvo did what he did for pure and cruel revenge.
Now, Carver's beating of Kenny was a hell of a lot worse than Kenny's on Arvo's. Not saying how Kenny behaved was right, but to say it's the exact same is false, in my opinion. Did Arvo get his entire eye crushed in? No, I don't think so, but if he did, I'd probably still believe how Kenny treated Arvo, while wrong and to an extent, cruel, is completely understandable. Arvo had basically nearly got everyone, including the baby and Clementine, killed and was a member of the group, who carried out the attack. At this stage, Kenny just saw Arvo what he technically was-an enemy of the rival group, who was being used as a prisoner with there being no reason to treat him well, as he, ya know, nearly killed everyone with his pals.
Maybe it wasn't his choice.
He still wanted to get their supplies
It is important to note that he never knew that she had turned.
Kenny had just taken him hostage to convince Vitali to come to the open, and Arvo was struggling to look at his sister, whom he had been performing chest compressions on. He assumed that she was alive, because she was standing up and crawling to safety, and, from his perspective, Clementine shot her in cold blood. I would be pissed too, especially considering that the kid acts like it never happened.
Of course, we know that it didn't happen that way, but the never did.
How do we know that?
If anything, I am not surprised that somebody would confess about being robbed to their group, but that doesn't mean that he had the idea to retaliate. If anything, this quote backs up the fact that they want to rob our group's supplies, nor Arvo nor Natasha, since only Buricko and Vitali laughed. Arvo is talking about those who laughed.
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Not really.
Do not like it.
Unless you really really want to.
I don't think you can honestly and what would that have to do with liking a character?
CoughCough so WE can take your things CoughCough
Can you really blame Jane for deciding to take the gun away from a complete stranger who threatened to shoot her? Remember, it was Arvo's own choice to go to the Observation Deck and attempt to shove his bag of medicine in a trash can in the first place. Not to mention that going anywhere alone in the apocalypse is a bad idea, especially when you have a group and have a disability. He took the risks for an unknown intention. Arvo posed a threat to the group, especially when he revealed that there were others with him and Jane took the risk of letting him go.
You don't know what occurred in Arvo's story after he left the observation deck though, this is all speculation. It's very likely that rather than 'retribution' they decided to just ambush the group or possibly any group making their way towards the town - considering Arvo's group wait to ambush for one or multiple days - depending on Clementine's decision.
I kind of liked Arvo but in no way does that mean his actions were justified in my opinion and I kind of dislike him as well. He was a character who invoked sympathy, definitely, but I did like how he stood up to his bully and he felt like an interesting character. Would've been nice to have gotten the chance to get to know characters like Arvo more instead of having them die with little character development.
Let's not forget how Arvo complains about the group stealing from them(the medicine) after Arvo tried to stash the medicine in a rubbish bin... what was his intent I wonder?
He said "they".
You make one good point, @AronDracula.
Perhaps Arvo and his crew were in fact robbers, though this piece of evidence is, in my opinion, too minuscule to base my thoughts off. Anyway, thank you for pointing it out.
They want you to put down your guns so WE can take your things.
I'm fucking tired of not getting notifications that I can't tell who is talking to who.
Well.. I felt bad when Kenny treated him like that.. But still, I did everything to be nice to him and it didn't make a difference. I mean, he should've assumed that there was no way that Clem killed his sister, she didn't steal from him, she defended him... and he shot her anyway.. I wonder where is he now.
Same!
I don't think that "we" means anything. He specifically said "they" wanted them to put down their guns, the we doesn't necessarily mean he actually wanted to steal their things.
I never liked Arvo.I am sure that Only anti-kenny people loves him very much. Even after knowing what arvo did to the crew of clem
people shouldn't have to make an argument for liking a character tbh
He said we. It means him and his group. He could have easily said "So they can take your things". End of story