I do. In my first playthrough, I'll admit I mostly listened to Kenny and pretty much wanted Kenny to kill Arvo. Although, as the time passed since the end of S2 I forgive Arvo for what he did, and no longer hate him. I like him now.
there are people who like Arvo?? WTF?? they are probalby retards! how can anyone like that piece of shit of a character?? that f*cking excuse of human being!!!
Dunno. It's weird considering what I first thought of him, but I listened to small factor of people who do and found myself agreeing with them. I guess it helps I forgive people easily anyways.
What's with everyone and the word 'retard' and unpopular characters on this forum?
People call Sarah a retard, apologists point out she has social anxiety and is not a retard, then someone likes another hated character like Arvo and is called a retard for it.
Well, when a gun is the only weapon you have, it IS crucial, even if better options exist somewhere out there. Especially for someone incapable of running fast or fighting.
I suppose I am that apologist, since I was the first to mention anxiety.
In the case that this is true, I'd like to point out that I never acted apologetically toward her—I am simply pointing out something that seems likely. And I rule out social anxiety and replace that for another form of anxiety, since she often comments in social situations, and quickly interacted with Clementine and Sarita.
That aside, I agree with the rest of your comment.
What's with everyone and the word 'retard' and unpopular characters on this forum?
People call Sarah a retard, apologists point out she h… moreas social anxiety and is not a retard, then someone likes another hated character like Arvo and is called a retard for it.
So you're telling me that he came over with the intent to rob Clementine and Jane of their two pistols? Sorry, but that doesn't add up. He saw Clementine from afar and came up to her, so yeah his whole group and Arvo saw that Clementine was within a group and continued with the robbing anyway. So yeah, it's still totally his fault.
You said the following…
Arvo clearly went in with rose-tinted glasses in the hopes that he could just rob Clementine, leaving a baby, … morea child, and a group of five adults (including Rebecca; mother of said baby) defenseless in the freezing cold with little to no food, medicine, water, or basically any supplies.
…and he could only have this train of thought before actually going along with participating in the ambush. However, he only knew that Jane and Clementine existed at that time, not the baby and other four adults.
It would not be naive to believe that a group of four would be able to successfully rob a pair of survivors, one of which is a kid. I want to make clear that I condone robbing, though.
That scene makes it relatively clear that Arvo was being directed on Buricko's orders. The idea is that Clementine and Jane double teamed him, Jane kept his gun and left him defenseless, he went back and told his group, and then Buricko/Natasha decided they should confront them as payback. Even if you agree to steal the meds causing Arvo to be fine with punishing you somehow, he is still hesitant to outright rob the group but Buricko is the one who tells him to go through with it anyway.
The firefight was caused more by confusion and misunderstood intentions at that point. Arvo learns that they have a baby with them and after alerting Buricko, he aggressively argues alongside Natasha that they should just back down and leave when everyone has their guns raised. Clementine/Kenny putting down Rebecca, who had turned while everyone was arguing, is what triggers(ha ha) Buricko to open fire.
So you're telling me that he came over with the intent to rob Clementine and Jane of their two pistols? Sorry, but that doesn't add up. He s… moreaw Clementine from afar and came up to her, so yeah his whole group and Arvo saw that Clementine was within a group and continued with the robbing anyway. So yeah, it's still totally his fault.
They=Vitali and Buricko, who also laughed and told Arvo to take the groups things, respectively
We=Arvo and his group as a whole, yes. But its worth noting that Arvo never wanted to actually rob/hurt the group but Buricko is the one who suggested it and told him to do it when he hesitated. I guess having Arvo(the one who had his only gun stolen) be the one to physically take the group's things was meant to be poetic justice or something.
I'm a russian player, I like him, and I honestly couldn't care less about where he comes from. In fact, I only ever remember the fact he is russian when someone else mentions it.
He's a fictional character that exists in a world where that happens to just about everyone sooner or later. He's also one of the biggest pieces of shit in said world. So yeah, if he dies like that, I'm not exactly going to mourn him.
@ AronDracula
They=Vitali and Buricko, who also laughed and told Arvo to take the groups things, respectively
We=Arvo and his group as… more a whole, yes. But its worth noting that Arvo never wanted to actually rob/hurt the group but Buricko is the one who suggested it and told him to do it when he hesitated. I guess having Arvo(the one who had his only gun stolen) be the one to physically take the group's things was meant to be poetic justice or something.
Why should I forgive him after what he did to Clementine? I let people die only if they are troublemakers and don't regret being that way. He dies if I face him again.
Arvo is still at fault for telling them about Clementine and Jane in the first place, and complying with the intention to rob them, possibly even agreeing to it. It's not like he was forced to, there's no evidence, we only have the implication that he must have told them about Clementine/Jane and then agreed to translating for his entire group. Robbing a child is bad enough, especially when they left Arvo alive, especially when Clementine clearly advocates to not rob him (which would be pretty easy at this point) and giving the meds back.
Even after, he doesn't exactly redeem himself. Sure, he gets beaten to a pulp by Kenny (though he did pretty much call an entire group to almost kill him, Jane, Clementine and basically everyone else including AJ), which is terrible, but shooting Clementine and abandoning them and the baby, alongside helping rob their car with Bonnie and Mike is deplorable.
That scene makes it relatively clear that Arvo was being directed on Buricko's orders. The idea is that Clementine and Jane double teamed hi… morem, Jane kept his gun and left him defenseless, he went back and told his group, and then Buricko/Natasha decided they should confront them as payback. Even if you agree to steal the meds causing Arvo to be fine with punishing you somehow, he is still hesitant to outright rob the group but Buricko is the one who tells him to go through with it anyway.
The firefight was caused more by confusion and misunderstood intentions at that point. Arvo learns that they have a baby with them and after alerting Buricko, he aggressively argues alongside Natasha that they should just back down and leave when everyone has their guns raised. Clementine/Kenny putting down Rebecca, who had turned while everyone was arguing, is what triggers(ha ha) Buricko to open fire.
Personally, I feel quite sorry for Arvo (Which leads to me getting in lots of arguments with my brother!)
Don't get me wrong, what he did to Clem made me pretty angry, and I don't think there was any reason to shoot Clementine realistically speaking. However, I feel huge amounts of sympathy for the guy. The fact that he watched his sister get shot in front of him by Clem, and then was abused by Kenny - both in the physical form (such as in the house across the ice lake where, in Jane's words, he was "beaten within an inch of his life") and in the form of racism ("You f-cking Commie piece of sh-t!" directly to him and, when talking to Clem, he refers to him as "Euro Trash" when talking about the North). Nobody should have to be abused while also fighting to survive in the apocalypse, in my humble opinion.
Sorry if this was a rambling post!
Personally, I feel quite sorry for Arvo (Which leads to me getting in lots of arguments with my brother!)
Don't get me wrong, what he did t… moreo Clem made me pretty angry, and I don't think there was any reason to shoot Clementine realistically speaking. However, I feel huge amounts of sympathy for the guy. The fact that he watched his sister get shot in front of him by Clem, and then was abused by Kenny - both in the physical form (such as in the house across the ice lake where, in Jane's words, he was "beaten within an inch of his life") and in the form of racism ("You f-cking Commie piece of sh-t!" directly to him and, when talking to Clem, he refers to him as "Euro Trash" when talking about the North). Nobody should have to be abused while also fighting to survive in the apocalypse, in my humble opinion.
Sorry if this was a rambling post!
I actually feel like I am one of the few who like Arvo (I probably am). Honestly I don't know why people hate Arvo for shooting Clementine. Nick almost killed Clementine and people were fine with that. I understand why Nick almost killed Clementine (because his mom died) and killed Matthew (because his uncle died). The whole cabin group (excluding Luke and Sarah) had Clementine rot in a shed and almost left her to die. Lily shot Carley and people still liked her. My point is that Arvo had the same reason for shooting Clementine like the people I mentioned. If I see Arvo again my clementine will hug him and forgive him for what he did. People make mistakes, have believes, and have reasons. What Lily,Nick, and Arvo did was treacherous. Lily I didn't forgive because she killed Carley on purpose. I forgave Nick because he felt sorry for what he did and what happened to his mother. And I forgave Arvo for shooting Clementine because I think that he didn't mean to shoot Clementine. I think Arvo was just on edge after his sister died and what Kenny did to him. Arvo also got mad at Clem because she shot his sister when she turned but I think Arvo didn't notice she turned. Arvo seemed like a good kid who follows orders (from his group at least) and helped the group find the house with food and a fireplace. Don't forget it was hard for Arvo with his wounded leg. P.S. I love Arvo's Russian accent.
Arvo is still at fault for telling them about Clementine and Jane in the first place, and complying with the intention to rob them, possibly… more even agreeing to it. It's not like he was forced to, there's no evidence, we only have the implication that he must have told them about Clementine/Jane and then agreed to translating for his entire group. Robbing a child is bad enough, especially when they left Arvo alive, especially when Clementine clearly advocates to not rob him (which would be pretty easy at this point) and giving the meds back.
Even after, he doesn't exactly redeem himself. Sure, he gets beaten to a pulp by Kenny (though he did pretty much call an entire group to almost kill him, Jane, Clementine and basically everyone else including AJ), which is terrible, but shooting Clementine and abandoning them and the baby, alongside helping rob their car with Bonnie and Mike is deplorable.
Well, the amount of hate he receives on the forums is a good enough reason to me, I tend to feel protective of characters like him. Usually, I don't really have logical reasons for liking characters, I just feel ridiculously attached to someone & then BANG, "touch this trash child of mine & I'll set you on fire :)". I like to look into most hated heroes, bc figuring out their motivation everyone seems to disregard is very interesting. What can I say, he was in the middle of a fucked up situation & doing what's best for his group, while being reasonably angry at people who robbed him. Then he lost his sister, was stuck in a group that hated him & deemed it okay to beat him, was pushed too far & just tried to escape by any means, which honestly is what I would've done as well. He isn't exactly my number one fave, I just like to balance out the hatred he gets by some love & protectiveness from me.
Well, the amount of hate he receives on the forums is a good enough reason to me, I tend to feel protective of characters like him. Usually,… more I don't really have logical reasons for liking characters, I just feel ridiculously attached to someone & then BANG, "touch this trash child of mine & I'll set you on fire :)". I like to look into most hated heroes, bc figuring out their motivation everyone seems to disregard is very interesting. What can I say, he was in the middle of a fucked up situation & doing what's best for his group, while being reasonably angry at people who robbed him. Then he lost his sister, was stuck in a group that hated him & deemed it okay to beat him, was pushed too far & just tried to escape by any means, which honestly is what I would've done as well. He isn't exactly my number one fave, I just like to balance out the hatred he gets by some love & protectiveness from me.
I don't think we got much of a chance to "like him". We barely got to know him before he was branded the enemy. I did have a lot of sympathy for him and I still believe that the way Kenny was treating him was the worst thing he did in the game.
I have mixed feelings of him really. I felt sorry that he lost a sister and Kenny sometimes went too far on him. But that's about it. For trying to rob Clem's group, lying that she robbed them (in actuality that's just poor writing but whatever), trying to steal from her AGAIN and finally trying to kill her - Sorry but he has A LOT to convince me to forgive him. Forgiveness isn't always given by time, sometimes it's by actions to prove you're worthy of forgiveness.
I understand that sentiment. I also try to look into other characters that people spend a lot of time hating for signs of likability and depth, sometimes out of genuine interest on my part(Michelle doesn't really count IMO, but I'm sure there's somebody out there who would suggest her).
As for Arvo, I previously made a thread about how he is too dumb/ineffectual/easy-targetish for me to hate. Plus, he's nowhere near the menace to society he's supposed to be, especially compared to Jane.
Well, the amount of hate he receives on the forums is a good enough reason to me, I tend to feel protective of characters like him. Usually,… more I don't really have logical reasons for liking characters, I just feel ridiculously attached to someone & then BANG, "touch this trash child of mine & I'll set you on fire :)". I like to look into most hated heroes, bc figuring out their motivation everyone seems to disregard is very interesting. What can I say, he was in the middle of a fucked up situation & doing what's best for his group, while being reasonably angry at people who robbed him. Then he lost his sister, was stuck in a group that hated him & deemed it okay to beat him, was pushed too far & just tried to escape by any means, which honestly is what I would've done as well. He isn't exactly my number one fave, I just like to balance out the hatred he gets by some love & protectiveness from me.
@Krapinka
I understand that sentiment. I also try to look into other characters that people spend a lot of time hating for signs of likab… moreility and depth, sometimes out of genuine interest on my part(Michelle doesn't really count IMO, but I'm sure there's somebody out there who would suggest her).
As for Arvo, I previously made a thread about how he is too dumb/ineffectual/easy-targetish for me to hate. Plus, he's nowhere near the menace to society he's supposed to be, especially compared to Jane.
Personally, I feel quite sorry for Arvo (Which leads to me getting in lots of arguments with my brother!)
Don't get me wrong, what he did t… moreo Clem made me pretty angry, and I don't think there was any reason to shoot Clementine realistically speaking. However, I feel huge amounts of sympathy for the guy. The fact that he watched his sister get shot in front of him by Clem, and then was abused by Kenny - both in the physical form (such as in the house across the ice lake where, in Jane's words, he was "beaten within an inch of his life") and in the form of racism ("You f-cking Commie piece of sh-t!" directly to him and, when talking to Clem, he refers to him as "Euro Trash" when talking about the North). Nobody should have to be abused while also fighting to survive in the apocalypse, in my humble opinion.
Sorry if this was a rambling post!
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I mean, I had sympathy for him but liking a character and feeling bad for them are two entirely different things.
Did I feel sorry for him? Sure. Did I like him? FUCK NO.
Fuck Arvo
He shot an 11yr old girl bruh
Srsly, fuck Arvo
I wouldn't want my hand to be twisted by saying I think it was right to go along with the robbery.
These days, man.
Kenny annoyed me most of season 2 until the whole Arvo thing happened. He changed my mind about Kenny
I do. In my first playthrough, I'll admit I mostly listened to Kenny and pretty much wanted Kenny to kill Arvo. Although, as the time passed since the end of S2 I forgive Arvo for what he did, and no longer hate him. I like him now.
Jeez, I guess I need to start getting tests. I didn't know liking a fictional character that you don't made me fucking challenged.
I like him.
Dunno. It's weird considering what I first thought of him, but I listened to small factor of people who do and found myself agreeing with them. I guess it helps I forgive people easily anyways.
I am going to murder him with my bare hands and laugh. Does that answer the question?
Was that necesary?
What's with everyone and the word 'retard' and unpopular characters on this forum?
People call Sarah a retard, apologists point out she has social anxiety and is not a retard, then someone likes another hated character like Arvo and is called a retard for it.
Well, when a gun is the only weapon you have, it IS crucial, even if better options exist somewhere out there. Especially for someone incapable of running fast or fighting.
I hope this happens to him:
I suppose I am that apologist, since I was the first to mention anxiety.
In the case that this is true, I'd like to point out that I never acted apologetically toward her—I am simply pointing out something that seems likely. And I rule out social anxiety and replace that for another form of anxiety, since she often comments in social situations, and quickly interacted with Clementine and Sarita.
That aside, I agree with the rest of your comment.
It's a joke about their username.
Oh, I didn't notice that.
So you're telling me that he came over with the intent to rob Clementine and Jane of their two pistols? Sorry, but that doesn't add up. He saw Clementine from afar and came up to her, so yeah his whole group and Arvo saw that Clementine was within a group and continued with the robbing anyway. So yeah, it's still totally his fault.
Eh. I personally was positively neutral to Kenny, almost-not-quite negatively neutral to Arvo, and bitterly distrusted Jane at that point.
No one deserves a death like that. No one.
That scene makes it relatively clear that Arvo was being directed on Buricko's orders. The idea is that Clementine and Jane double teamed him, Jane kept his gun and left him defenseless, he went back and told his group, and then Buricko/Natasha decided they should confront them as payback. Even if you agree to steal the meds causing Arvo to be fine with punishing you somehow, he is still hesitant to outright rob the group but Buricko is the one who tells him to go through with it anyway.
The firefight was caused more by confusion and misunderstood intentions at that point. Arvo learns that they have a baby with them and after alerting Buricko, he aggressively argues alongside Natasha that they should just back down and leave when everyone has their guns raised. Clementine/Kenny putting down Rebecca, who had turned while everyone was arguing, is what triggers(ha ha) Buricko to open fire.
@ AronDracula
They=Vitali and Buricko, who also laughed and told Arvo to take the groups things, respectively
We=Arvo and his group as a whole, yes. But its worth noting that Arvo never wanted to actually rob/hurt the group but Buricko is the one who suggested it and told him to do it when he hesitated. I guess having Arvo(the one who had his only gun stolen) be the one to physically take the group's things was meant to be poetic justice or something.
Except Arvo.
You guys should turn the hatred down before it consumes you. You'd have to be morally bankrupt to let someone die like that.
I'm pretty sure by the time Season 3 comes out everyone will forget about Arvo, who is 99.99999% unlikely to ever return.
Wow... that is really morbid.
Okay... so if you don't like him for nationalistic reasons, then why do you like him?
He's a fictional character that exists in a world where that happens to just about everyone sooner or later. He's also one of the biggest pieces of shit in said world. So yeah, if he dies like that, I'm not exactly going to mourn him.
Didn't I say he said "They want you to put down your guns so WE can take your things"?
How do you know that?
Why should I forgive him after what he did to Clementine? I let people die only if they are troublemakers and don't regret being that way. He dies if I face him again.
Arvo is still at fault for telling them about Clementine and Jane in the first place, and complying with the intention to rob them, possibly even agreeing to it. It's not like he was forced to, there's no evidence, we only have the implication that he must have told them about Clementine/Jane and then agreed to translating for his entire group. Robbing a child is bad enough, especially when they left Arvo alive, especially when Clementine clearly advocates to not rob him (which would be pretty easy at this point) and giving the meds back.
Even after, he doesn't exactly redeem himself. Sure, he gets beaten to a pulp by Kenny (though he did pretty much call an entire group to almost kill him, Jane, Clementine and basically everyone else including AJ), which is terrible, but shooting Clementine and abandoning them and the baby, alongside helping rob their car with Bonnie and Mike is deplorable.
Personally, I feel quite sorry for Arvo (Which leads to me getting in lots of arguments with my brother!)
Don't get me wrong, what he did to Clem made me pretty angry, and I don't think there was any reason to shoot Clementine realistically speaking. However, I feel huge amounts of sympathy for the guy. The fact that he watched his sister get shot in front of him by Clem, and then was abused by Kenny - both in the physical form (such as in the house across the ice lake where, in Jane's words, he was "beaten within an inch of his life") and in the form of racism ("You f-cking Commie piece of sh-t!" directly to him and, when talking to Clem, he refers to him as "Euro Trash" when talking about the North). Nobody should have to be abused while also fighting to survive in the apocalypse, in my humble opinion.
Sorry if this was a rambling post!
I agree with this post, he really didn't need to shoot Clem but he definitely didn't deserve the abuse he got.
I actually feel like I am one of the few who like Arvo (I probably am). Honestly I don't know why people hate Arvo for shooting Clementine. Nick almost killed Clementine and people were fine with that. I understand why Nick almost killed Clementine (because his mom died) and killed Matthew (because his uncle died). The whole cabin group (excluding Luke and Sarah) had Clementine rot in a shed and almost left her to die. Lily shot Carley and people still liked her. My point is that Arvo had the same reason for shooting Clementine like the people I mentioned. If I see Arvo again my clementine will hug him and forgive him for what he did. People make mistakes, have believes, and have reasons. What Lily,Nick, and Arvo did was treacherous. Lily I didn't forgive because she killed Carley on purpose. I forgave Nick because he felt sorry for what he did and what happened to his mother. And I forgave Arvo for shooting Clementine because I think that he didn't mean to shoot Clementine. I think Arvo was just on edge after his sister died and what Kenny did to him. Arvo also got mad at Clem because she shot his sister when she turned but I think Arvo didn't notice she turned. Arvo seemed like a good kid who follows orders (from his group at least) and helped the group find the house with food and a fireplace. Don't forget it was hard for Arvo with his wounded leg. P.S. I love Arvo's Russian accent.
Eh.
Also, serious question, how does a character portrays(or attempts to) as a villain redeem themself?
Well, the amount of hate he receives on the forums is a good enough reason to me, I tend to feel protective of characters like him. Usually, I don't really have logical reasons for liking characters, I just feel ridiculously attached to someone & then BANG, "touch this trash child of mine & I'll set you on fire :)". I like to look into most hated heroes, bc figuring out their motivation everyone seems to disregard is very interesting. What can I say, he was in the middle of a fucked up situation & doing what's best for his group, while being reasonably angry at people who robbed him. Then he lost his sister, was stuck in a group that hated him & deemed it okay to beat him, was pushed too far & just tried to escape by any means, which honestly is what I would've done as well. He isn't exactly my number one fave, I just like to balance out the hatred he gets by some love & protectiveness from me.
Awesome, I feel the same way about those characters! (In the Walking Dead, at least.)
I don't think we got much of a chance to "like him". We barely got to know him before he was branded the enemy. I did have a lot of sympathy for him and I still believe that the way Kenny was treating him was the worst thing he did in the game.
I have mixed feelings of him really. I felt sorry that he lost a sister and Kenny sometimes went too far on him. But that's about it. For trying to rob Clem's group, lying that she robbed them (in actuality that's just poor writing but whatever), trying to steal from her AGAIN and finally trying to kill her - Sorry but he has A LOT to convince me to forgive him. Forgiveness isn't always given by time, sometimes it's by actions to prove you're worthy of forgiveness.
But if people like Arvo, no biggie.
@Krapinka
I understand that sentiment. I also try to look into other characters that people spend a lot of time hating for signs of likability and depth, sometimes out of genuine interest on my part(Michelle doesn't really count IMO, but I'm sure there's somebody out there who would suggest her).
As for Arvo, I previously made a thread about how he is too dumb/ineffectual/easy-targetish for me to hate. Plus, he's nowhere near the menace to society he's supposed to be, especially compared to Jane.
I disagree with this point.
How is Jane a menace to society?
Yeah, the Kenny thing with Arvo made me really wonder what kind of person he was pre-apocalypse and it doesnt paint a pretty picture.