Id give her neutral good, shes all about herself and omid really but she does still help the others
Omid
Neutral good, he never does anything to harm others and seems to be about right and wrong. Hes not chaotic in any way to me
Molly
Chaotic good/neutral, the fact she helps lee and the others makes her good but her partaking in the system of crawford until the issues effected her means im iffy on her being truly good.
Vernon
Lawful neutral, Hes not evil but hes definitely not good after stealing the boat. However hes all about systems and plans so lawful fits.
Spreading these out for the sake of not creating one long grey box of replies.
EDIT: Good Guys and Neutrals of S1E2-5
Jolene's Family
… more Danielle ???
Jolene Chaotic Neutral
The Railroad
Train Survivors
Charles Lawful Good
Christa's Family
Christa Lawful Neutral: I was keeping in mind the fact that she breaks down crying when watching Dr. Logan's tapes involving Anna Corea, rationalizes Vernon as someone who does what's best for his group when he steals the boat, and later gut-shot Michelle in spite of the latter dropping the gun, surrendering, and attempting to apologize for accidentally killing Omid. So, I'd say someone who follows the rules and is willing to forgive and forget unless it applies to her; kind of a parallel to Kenny, actually.
Omid Neutral Good or Chaotic Good
Savannah, Georgia
Crawford Residents
Molly Chaotic Neutral or True Neutral: Good and caring towards children on the inside, but Neutral and dis… [view original content]
Spreading these out for the sake of not creating one long grey box of replies.
EDIT: Good Guys of Season 2
Howe's Hardware Refugees
… moreLuke Neutral Good
Carlos' Family
Sarah Chaotic Good or Neutral Good: She'd probably be Chaotic due to her tendency to act almost entirely on emotion: initially fixating on being Clementine's friend regardless of her obvious discomfort and determinant refusal, responding to any stressful situation with fear or anxiety, locking up when something really bad happens, usually associated with death, having moments that make her come off as a bit creepy such as following up the news of Pete's death by revealing and playing with a gun, having little to no regard for rules or authority at times despite her insistence on" being good", yet also having a small but noticeable habit of charging in recklessly when Carlos or Clementine are attacked by Carver. Though Neutral as either an alignment and a morality coul… [view original content]
Id say they are all lawful evil overall, they work together and in a system. Danny stretches this though hes very chaotic
Tavia
Lawful neutral, I guess. We didnt see that much of her
Troy
Neutral evil, seems to enjoy causing pain but really his character seems pretty much all about himself
Carver
Lawful evil, A dictator is pretty solid lawful evil
Arvo
Neutral evil overall, he does work in a system with a group but given it looks like he is stealing from them also Arvo is pretty neutral. Id even be willing to argue true neutral, he doesnt seem to do evil for the sake of it.
Norma
Lawful neutral
She pushes good and evil but given that inconsistency I have to leave her with just her lawful control
Randall
Chaotic evil overall.... He does some lawful evil aspects such as bullying through position however everything else is pure chaotic wildness.
The funny thing about the Walking Dead is that everything basically runs on gray and grey morality since every one wants to survive. However… more, I would argue that the line between good and evil isn't to blurred, since there are some individuals that are unmistakably good or evil based on their values and actions. I've been wanting to apply both the Alignment System and the MtG Color Pie to these pretty much everything and these games are not exception. So, with a bit of subjective information as a casualty, here is some of my readings:.
EDIT: Villains
Season 1
St. John's Dairy Farm
St. John Family
Terry Lawful Good?
Andrew Neutral Evil: Andy is a bit hard to read(as in too lazy to rewatch cutscenes featuring him), so I just chaulked him up to Neutral Evil since he seemed to be the ringleader at times and he accuses Lee of causing trouble while holding Duck at gunpoint.
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Yeah. That was about my reasoning, since he seemed to be sick before the outbreak and yet we also hear that he is a Momma's Boy and later practically begs Lee to keep him alive so the meat won't get tainted because, "That's how things work now!"
So, yeah, his behavior crosses into Chaotic Evil but his thoughts are guided by Lawful Evil.
Andy is a bit hard to read(as in too lazy to rewatch cutscenes featuring him), so I just chaulked him up to Neutral Evil since he seemed to be the ringleader at times and he accuses Lee of causing trouble while holding Duck at gunpoint.
Brenda seemed to still have some degree of morals if you pay attention to some of her behavior and dialogue while she is sitting on the porch and holding Katjaa hostage. And, should you attempt to reason with her, she appears to seriously consider it before seemingly giving out and having the Brothers capture everyone. So, I initially identified her as Lawful Neutral because she seems to be motivated by old family values and her own standards regarding the Walkers, rather than any active malice.
Danny is the more...weird one of the group but hes still organized and works with his family so he could easily be lawful evil, though his o… moredd behavior means he could fall into chaotic evil too . Andy and Brenda are both lawful evil also, they have routine and planning in what they do, they trick people and then kill them
No, but seriously, I actually had a brief exchange about this concerning the 400 Days characters. From my understanding, the Walking Dead isn't as much about deciding who the character is but determining what they would do, think, and say in certain scenarios. Whether we play him as a Good Guy, someone who has strayed from his morals, or an outright hilarious Scumbag, Lee Everett was a character of his own that had a life before we took control of him. And while some of his words and actions may contradict this at times, he still goes through the game as someone who does care about people, knows how to get things done, will help them with their problems, and takes care of Clementine. So, Neutral Good with a hint at Lawful Good would seem to be the canonical portrayal.
Id give Katjaa neutral good, I've always seen Kat as very specific to her family. She steals from the car, berates lee for bringing a stranger back etc. Shes a good person but shes still very much about her own interests. Not the law itself
True. One of the main reasons I gave her Lawful Good was her reaction to learning that Kenny tried to convince Lee to let Beatrice get eaten alive and/or help him kill Larry, as well as her reaction to Lilly shooting Carley/Doug, in which case she flat out admits that she would have gotten rid of her herself.
I cant really place her, shes good but Shes a bit all over the place with lee telling the truth, her episode one character is so different.
Yeah, unfortunately, Carley's popularity seems to be a result of her skill with a gun, suspenseful subplot regarding Lee's past, and then her arguable demotion to satellite character in which she gets teased as a love interest. Lawful just seems to be the most obvious since she seems to have an small emphasis on the truth.
Eh I dunno about Larry, I didnt see enough of him really, he doesnt really fit anywhere
Funny thing about Larry is that he is so hotheaded and yet so hard-nosed that he could go anywhere. Lawful would apply to his military training and distrust of Lee, who regardless of the fact that players like Lee and likely hate Larry, is a killer. However, Chaotic perfectly sums up his behavior, since he will outright ignore Lilly when he gets worked up despite knowing the consequences of doing so. The only thing I personally wouldn't identify him as is Evil: he clearly hates Lee and later the St. Johns because they is a criminal killer and cannibals, he does genuinely care about people's safety seeing as he tries to help save Lee and Katjaa at certain points, and however asshole-ish he may be, he clearly has enough of a soft spot for Lilly and children to occasionally call it quits, personally threaten Lee should anything happen to Clementine, and apologize for wanting to put down Duck when the truth comes out.
Id give Ben chaotic good, hes not a bad guy but everything he does is reckless, feeding the bandits and removing the hatchet for example. I could also give Ben true neutral.
You're definitely right, since Chaotic implies that he can't always be controlled despite his humble nature and that he lets his emotions, namely fear, paranoia, and regret, rule his actions. The True Neutral is an interesting suggestion but aside from abandoning Clementine when they get surrounded, I don't remember any other moments that would suggest this. Care to elaborate?
Cant do Lee as he can be changed by the player
Clementine
In season 1 clem is lawful good, everything she does is about right … moreand wrong in terms of the law while being good
Kenny
Kenny's chaotic neutral overall id say in season 1. Though chaotic good is still pretty possible
Katjaa
Id give Katjaa neutral good, I've always seen Kat as very specific to her family. She steals from the car, berates lee for bringing a stranger back etc. Shes a good person but shes still very much about her own interests. Not the law itself
Carley
I cant really place her, shes good but Shes a bit all over the place with lee telling the truth, her episode one character is so different.
Doug
Yeah neutral good, hes good but stays in the background.
Lilly
Lawful neutral seems about right for her, shes all abut rules and about keeping the peace.
Larry
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Lawful neutral, I guess. We didnt see that much of her
Taavia is one of the characters I wanted to see more from and plan on doing my own entry on her later, but unfortunately she is one of the more obvious examples of how some characters got wasted and how Episode 3 in general felt empty.
Combining her 400 Days appearance with her Episode 3 scenes gives her a relatively solid foundation as Lawful Neutral: following Carver(or his possible predessor)'s orders to go out and find survivors to bring back to Howe's and later taking charge of Rebecca, Sarah, Sarita, and Jane(and Nick, lol) as part of her guard duties, and yet appears even more lax than Troy since we never really see her have to assert her authority to much and doesn't really mind Sarah or Clementine stopping to take care of whatever it is they are concerned about. The Neutral is even more enforced when she is seen off on her own talking casually to Hank over the radio and tries to smoke a cigarette before Vince shows up to get her to stop and she chases after him to avoid getting in trouble with Carver. My first playthrough even seemed to indicate that she clearly had to have seen Clementine sneaking and skulking about for the radios during the later scene but due to either a lack of game over's in this sequence or just plain disinterest on her part, she just stares in that general direction for a bit before moving on, not even pausing her conversation.
Neutral evil, seems to enjoy causing pain but really his character seems pretty much all about himself
You know what, I completely forgot to consider that. Though as much as a dumb hick he may be, Troy did seem to just mind his own business when he wasn't on active duty, since they seemed to be hinting that he may have noticed the group's plans and suspicious behavior but was more concerned about just getting them out of his hair as soon as possible. The Chaotic definitely applies to his tendency to be angry and verbally/physically abuse pretty much anyone beneath him. Neutral does seem to also apply since he was just as prone to picking on the prisoners as just dealing with or ignoring them when it suited him and while he admits to potentially enjoying the chance to beat Sarah, I always kinda took that as him talking tough in front of Carver, who seemed to have a good enough leash on him to make him freeze during the truck ride back to Howe's and also cause him to do nothing while he's beating Kenny despite his evident discomfort besides butting Clementine/Sarita with his gun when they try to intervene.
Neutral evil overall, he does work in a system with a group but given it looks like he is stealing from them also Arvo is pretty neutral. Id even be willing to argue true neutral, he doesn't seem to do evil for the sake of it.
Eeeh, I don't know. Arvo as a villain in general didn't really strike me in any positive ways, as his actions and behavior reflects someone who's used to doing things for others, particularly if he is (easily) convinced that it has to be done, with a lot of reluctance and remorse on his end.
I suggested he could be Lawful Evil because his only malicious acts, bringing his group to get back at Clementine's entire group and shooting her when Mike attempts to reason with her, seemed to be reactions to Jane sticking him up and Clementine/Kenny killing Natasha and taking him prisoner. There's also the fact that Lawful in general could apply to his initial jitteriness with drawing a gun on Clementine in self defense, getting angry with Jane for considering taking his sister's medicine, outright arguing for Buricko to back down when he realizes that AJ is present, and labeling of Kenny as pure evil in reinforcement of Mike, not to mention the whole eye for eye thing where justice and revenge are interchangeable. You're right that any brand of Neutral would work since he didn't seem to want to cause or recieve any trouble, and his sister seemed to be his only true positive relationship.
Also, I never got the idea that he was stealing from his own group, considering it was medicine for his sister who he clearly loved enough to get upset with Jane, Clementine, and Kenny, and I just assumed he was either keeping a separate stash for emergencies(which would imply that he could be a bandit but whatever) or establishing a separate base for his group to use in the near future. But I suppose that's one of those story oddities that you have to draw your own conclusions from in order for it to get some explanation.
Brenda,Andy, Danny
Id say they are all lawful evil overall, they work together and in a system. Danny stretches this though hes very… more chaotic
Tavia
Lawful neutral, I guess. We didnt see that much of her
Troy
Neutral evil, seems to enjoy causing pain but really his character seems pretty much all about himself
Carver
Lawful evil, A dictator is pretty solid lawful evil
Arvo
Neutral evil overall, he does work in a system with a group but given it looks like he is stealing from them also Arvo is pretty neutral. Id even be willing to argue true neutral, he doesnt seem to do evil for the sake of it.
Norma
Lawful neutral
She pushes good and evil but given that inconsistency I have to leave her with just her lawful control
Randall
Chaotic evil overall.... He does some lawful evil aspects such as bullying through position however everything else is pure chaotic wildness.
Neutral good, Shes a good person however her morality doesnt really go beyond that
Oh shit, I meant to put Chaotic Good due to her tendency to act almost entirely on emotion: initially fixating on being Clementine's friend regardless of her obvious discomfort and determinant refusal, responding to any stressful situation with fear or anxiety, locking up when something really bad happens, usually associated with death, having moments that make her come off as a bit creepy such as following up the news of Pete's death by revealing and playing with a gun, having little to no regard for rules or authority at times despite her insistence on" being good", yet also having a small but noticeable habit of charging in recklessly when Carlos or Clementine are attacked by Carver. Though Neutral as either an alignment and a morality could also apply seeing how her more extreme or OOC moments revolve around those two.
Cant place them to be honest, even when discounting episode 1
Well Alvin, at the very least, seemed to definitely be a nice guy who didn't mind talking against his wife as long as she doesn't find out about it. Rebecca, on the other hand, is pretty hard to place, given her penchant for vindictiveness indicating Chaotic alignment and yet her caring nature towards Clementine, Sarita, Sarah, and Nick suggests Lawful. At the very least, she gets filed under Good if only in comparison to the likes of Carver(Lawful Evil with Psychotic overtones), Kenny(Chaotic Neutral with a default to Good, at least initially), and Jane(Some brand of Neutral with a few hints of Good and Evil).
Chaotic neutral, Nicks pretty much just pure chaos action wise. (im judging everything from the two episodes he was an actual character)
Everything about what I know about Nick definitely gears him towards Chaotic Good: his guilt complex in regards to either failing to protect or trying to harm an innocent, his outward resentment towards Pete and later Luke despite the fact that he really admires them, getting depressed when things start going downhill, denying responsibility when called out on his wrongdoings if he feels like he's being blamed or accused, yet being prone to owning up to his mistakes if he is left alone to stew over it himself, and the fact that its implied that his charging out to find help for Luke and Sarah is what lead to his 2nd death because he did so while completely disregarding the fact that he had a bullet in his shoulder.
All in all, a character who lets his emotions control him in the immediate, but whose heart means he will try to make things right in the afterwards.
Lawful good, there all about old standards and crime and punishment.
I guess. While Walter seemed to be trying to be a good samaritan at all times before finding Matthew's knife, Sarita unfortunately got very little to work with other than her attempts to save Kenny from himself, desire to keep Clementine and Sarah's 'innocence' in tact, and her surprising damning attitude at times when she feels that she and Kenny are being unfairly or ungratefully treated. So, while I want to classify both as Lawful Good, they both have enough of an Agape or backlash prone attitude to qualify as Neutral as well.
Luke
Neutral good overall, Luke could even be Lawful good occasionally given his opposition to killing.
Sarah
Neutral … moregood, Shes a good person however her morality doesnt really go beyond that
Carlos
Lawful good, all about old standards even if they dont work anymore. Episode 1 and 2 hints at lawful neutral but what we get is lawful good.
Rebecca/Alvin
Cant place them to be honest, even when discounting episode 1
Nick
Chaotic neutral, Nicks pretty much just pure chaos action wise. (im judging everything from the two episodes he was an actual character)
Pete
Lawful good, he was pretty much all good and order (which makes the way he dies all the more dumb)
Sarita/ Walter
Lawful good, there all about old standards and crime and punishment.
What ten-years-old? Clem? He didn't beat her with a walkie-takie, but with his gun (and the one that hit her when she was trying to help Kenny was Troy, and again, he used a gun, not a walkie). Besides, she's 11, as far as I know.
"beat a ten-year-old with a walkie talkie" Determinately, yes. But a neutral is someone who protects their people and will do whatever it takes to do so, and Carver's philosophy was basically just that.
Id give her neutral good, shes all about herself and omid really but she does still help the others
I guess. I was keeping in mind the fact that she breaks down crying when watching Dr. Logan's tapes involving Anna Corea, rationalizes Vernon as someone who does what's best for his group when he steals the boat, and later gut-shot Michelle in spite of the latter dropping the gun, surrendering, and attempting to apologize for accidentally killing Omid. So, I'd say someone who follows the rules and is willing to forgive and forget unless it applies to her; kind of a parallel to Kenny, actually.
Neutral good, he never does anything to harm others and seems to be about right and wrong. Hes not chaotic in any way to me
True. I was kinda refering to his sense of humor, but you're right that he doesn't let it cause him to act in a chaotic fashion.
Chaotic good/neutral, the fact she helps lee and the others makes her good but her partaking in the system of crawford until the issues effected her means im iffy on her being truly good.
Yeah, Good and caring towards children on the inside, but Neutral and disrespectful to adults on the outside. I considered True Neutral because while she alternates between fighting for herself and wanting to help, she prefers to be on her own.
Lawful neutral, Hes not evil but hes definitely not good after stealing the boat. However hes all about systems and plans so lawful fits.
This was a tough one to seriously consider: on one hand, him stealing the boat was definitely a treacherous move after what he and Lee's Group had been through. On the other hand, my second playthrough seemed to suggest that he is a moral and caring man worthy of the Good morality, since I managed to be on good terms with him, aside from accidentally letting Walker!Oberson drag down Ben and even then, he simply expressed subdued doubt that Lee is the type of man who would do such a thing. And like Christa said, he was primarily concerned with hiding and protecting his group, and yet he still risks himself by agreeing to go try and help Omid despite Brie and Clive's protests and seriously objects to the entire group but especially Clementine being put in dangerous situations. So, I just put both.
Chuck
Chuck is good..... not sure where to from there
Christa
Id give her neutral good, shes all about herself and omi… mored really but she does still help the others
Omid
Neutral good, he never does anything to harm others and seems to be about right and wrong. Hes not chaotic in any way to me
Molly
Chaotic good/neutral, the fact she helps lee and the others makes her good but her partaking in the system of crawford until the issues effected her means im iffy on her being truly good.
Vernon
Lawful neutral, Hes not evil but hes definitely not good after stealing the boat. However hes all about systems and plans so lawful fits.
Spreading these out for the sake of not creating one long grey box of replies.
EDIT: Other Characters
Randy's Family
Randy Chaotic N… moreeutral?
Patricia Lawful Good
Gill Chaoticl Good?
Wellington, Ohio
Wellington
Edith Lawful Good
The Walking Dead: Michonne
Location Unknown
Michonne's Family
Michonne Chaotic Neutral
Dominic Lawful Good?
Elodie Lawful Good?
Colette Lawful Good?
Oceanside
The Companion
Pete Lawful Good
Siddiq Lawful Good?
Oak Lawful Neutral or Neutral Good
Berto Chaotic Good?
Fairbanks' House
Fairbanks Family
James Lawful Good
Alex Lawful Good
Samantha Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral
John Lawful Good
Greg Lawful Good
Sophia Neutral Good?
Fairbank's Residents
Paige Lawful Good
Season 3
Javier Most likely Lawful Good or Lawful Neutral(Prerelease info)
Animals
Maybelle True Neutral
Sam Chaotic Neutral or True Neutral
Walter ???
Maybe I could make it work for myself by inserting morality in there instead of the parameter of good and evil. I just have a hard time believing that anybody in the three The Walking Dead games combined regularly do immoral acts just to cause pain.
I do consider your point. However, how can we be assured that the walkers disrupt the natural order, and that the apocalypse was not meant to happen, especially taking into account that we don't know about its origin? Quite a few philosophers hold that everything that happens has been determined by something else, and that everything that happens was always meant to happen, which leaves little space for us to say that the walkers or anything else disrupts order.
As an aside, doesn't disruption of order have to do with whether a character is lawful or chaotic?
I would counter that walkers are a chaotic evil because they are not a natural force and cannot be reckoned with.
Their actions are simil… morear to that of a plague of locus, they disrupt the natural order simply by existing in and of itself is both chaotic and evil.
The implication that he massacre the dwellers of that ferry because they were supposedly trading with Sam's family, presumably against Norma's wishes and knowledge. Or the fact that he describe what will happen if he gets free and goes after Alex and James in excruciating detail, indicating that he's talking from experience?
I am pretty sure that keeping a community with more than a dozen of people running, and numerous interactions of him and the other inhabitants that we didn't witness, balances the bad that he did while we stayed at Howe's Hardware. Hence, neutral.
Well no I dont think it is..... What carver does in episode 3 is evil and he uses the law and order of the camp to do it, that's pretty solid lawful evil. I dont see how he fits into any other group better
I get what you're trying to get at, but unfortunately, Carver is very black or white character clinging to some veneer of grey.
We have Bonnie admit that she is aware of his increasingly intimidating behavior but convinced herself to stay by saying it's better to try and fix what's broken. We also have indications from Reggie, Troy, Taavia, Hank, Vince and Becca that while he does create some remnant of order and stability, he is a very hardcore leader who wasn't likely to forgive Reggie or the Cabin Group despite preaching it, dishes out punishments over the slightest thing, and apparently comes down hard on guards and denizens alike. He could practically quote Mundus/Mund-ass from DmC and have it be completely applicable.
His interactions with Reggie and...pretty much any of the Howe's Ski Cabin Group shows that he is definitely a controlling psychopath, even going as far as to smack Clementine for staring at him, forced Carlos to do the same to Sarah because his instructions apparently bored her(admittedly while he does have a point in this case, his brutality and actions otherwise kinda weakens it), kill Reggie just to prove a point to Sarah, voices his intent to eventually separate Rebecca from Alvin and the Cabin Group, spitefully claims AJ as his regardless of Alvin's DNA, and threatens to abort Rebecca and AJ because he wasn't gonna let them exist without him. The fact that he put so much effort into hunting them down is something that Taavia mocks and that Bonnie helps enforce. Kinda reminds me of David from the Last of Us, actually.
I am pretty sure that keeping a community with more than a dozen of people running, and numerous interactions of him and the other inhabitants that we didn't witness, balances the bad that he did while we stayed at Howe's Hardware. Hence, neutral.
1.Lawful Good: Lee Everett (though may overlap to Neutral Good judging from playthrough), Clementine (in S2, could overlap to others judging on playthrough), Katjaa, luke, Doug, Carley, Sarah, Alvin, Walter, Sarita, Pete (both S2 and Michonne), Chuck, Oak, Duck.
Yeah, as @DabigRG said, Randall massacring those at the ferry and him implying that he's responsible for having murdered children, and that he'd gladly do so again. The fella's a psychopath, there's no arguing it.
Wow. I'd say that's pretty accurate except for maybe Bonnie, Justin, the Bandits, Jolene, Troy, and debatably Sarah, Duck, and Rebecca. But then, that could just be me.
THE GOOD:
1.Lawful Good: Lee Everett (though may overlap to Neutral Good judging from playthrough), Clementine (in S2, could overlap to o… morethers judging on playthrough), Katjaa, luke, Doug, Carley, Sarah, Alvin, Walter, Sarita, Pete (both S2 and Michonne), Chuck, Oak, Duck.
2. Chaotic Good: S1 Kenny, Nick, Michonne, Ben.
3. Neutral Good: Molly, Rebecca (maybe?), Sam (Michonne), Eddie, Wyatt, Paige, Mark.
THE NEUTRAL:
1. Lawful Neutral: Carlos, Vernon, Russell, Danny, Mike, Christa, Lilly.
2. True Neutral: Justin, Vince, Bonnie, Arvo, Michelle.
3. Chaotic Neutral: Nate, S2 Kenny, Jane (maybe?), Larry.
THE EVIL:
1. Lawful Evil: Carver, Andy St John, Brenda St John, Norma, The Stranger, Troy, Bandits, Jolene.
2. Neutral Evil: The Walkers, Sam the Dog.
3. Chaotic Evil: Randall, Danny St John.
EDIT: Just fixed something.
Yeah, Bonnie and Jolene were the ones I had a bit of trouble putting into categories. I mean, Bonnie definitely, in my opinion, goes into one of the neural slots, but I couldn't really decide which suited her character truly the best and with Jolene, she could also be neutral chaotic.
Wow. I'd say that's pretty accurate except for maybe Bonnie, Justin, the Bandits, Jolene, Troy, and debatably Sarah, Duck, and Rebecca. But then, that could just be me.
It's an interesting topic. And you bring some valid points to the table. I just find that any force that exists without any resemblance of compassion or justifiable concern is in and of itself evil.
And to answer your question, yes. The walkers do disrupt order through lack of affiliation or compassion, which is kind of what defines chaos.
I do consider your point. However, how can we be assured that the walkers disrupt the natural order, and that the apocalypse was not meant t… moreo happen, especially taking into account that we don't know about its origin? Quite a few philosophers hold that everything that happens has been determined by something else, and that everything that happens was always meant to happen, which leaves little space for us to say that the walkers or anything else disrupts order.
As an aside, doesn't disruption of order have to do with whether a character is lawful or chaotic?
The impression that Michonne left on me was that of a complex conflict with multiple parties involved. @Deltino also explains this quite well.
I understood, taking into account all testimonies regarding The Mobjack massacre, that there used to be a group of people inhabitating the ferry, possibly including Rashid and Vanessa. Then a second group of people called the scavengers killed them and took over the ferry. Samantha and Greg traded some of the stolen Monroe supplies with these scavengers behind John's back, though the former two didn't know about the killing of the first inhabitants. The siblings told them about Monroe, which is when the scavengers decided that they would move onto there. Randall somehow learned about all this, headed to The Mobjack and killed the entire group of scavengers to secure his sister's community—behind Norma's back—leaving Samantha under the impression that Monroe are a colony of pirates and bad people.
Did Randall handle the situation with the scavengers poorly? I believe so. Do I think that he killed the scavengers out of pure satisfaction? In my opinion, not at all. That's why I don't take him as evil for this, though I'm aware that everyone holds their own reasoning and moral standards. The way that I see it, it all came to which group of people would die.
I will adress the second point as a reply to @OneWayNoWay to shake things up.
The implication that he massacre the dwellers of that ferry because they were supposedly trading with Sam's family, presumably against Norma… more's wishes and knowledge. Or the fact that he describe what will happen if he gets free and goes after Alex and James in excruciating detail, indicating that he's talking from experience?
I addressed the first point as a reply to @DabigRG.
I honestly can't manage to consider him evil for something that was not clear in the game. It was hinted that he had killed children, but it could also have been a means to intimidate Michonne. However, if a Telltale Staff—such as @emilybuckshot—wrote here and confirmed that he had indeed killed children to find satisfaction, I would coincide the second after that he should be categorized as evil. Our discrepancy appears to be more about what actually happened rather than whether the act should be frowned upon.
The fella's a psychopath, there's no arguing it.
I agree. Might be a second degree psychopath, meaning that he does not consider the damage made toward others when he decides whether to fulfill what he wants and his psychopathy has risen due to the environment of the apocalypse.
Yeah, as @DabigRG said, Randall massacring those at the ferry and him implying that he's responsible for having murdered children, and that he'd gladly do so again. The fella's a psychopath, there's no arguing it.
You know what, you're not the first person to tell me something like that. Actually, that sounds kinda intriguing, but unfortunately for Randall, he's a little to violent at times so you'll have to forgive some people if they blame him for all of it. He still massacred some people, which apparently included tying a guy to a wall and leaving him for the walker versions of his crew(?) to eat alive, but yeah, too much of an asshole.
The impression that Michonne left on me was that of a complex conflict with multiple parties involved. @Deltino also explains this quite wel… morel.
I understood, taking into account all testimonies regarding The Mobjack massacre, that there used to be a group of people inhabitating the ferry, possibly including Rashid and Vanessa. Then a second group of people called the scavengers killed them and took over the ferry. Samantha and Greg traded some of the stolen Monroe supplies with these scavengers behind John's back, though the former two didn't know about the killing of the first inhabitants. The siblings told them about Monroe, which is when the scavengers decided that they would move onto there. Randall somehow learned about all this, headed to The Mobjack and killed the entire group of scavengers to secure his sister's community—behind Norma's back—leaving Samantha under the impression that Monroe are a colony of pirates and bad people.
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Yeah, Bonnie and Jolene were the ones I had a bit of trouble putting into categories. I mean, Bonnie definitely, in my opinion, goes into on… moree of the neural slots, but I couldn't really decide which suited her character truly the best and with Jolene, she could also be neutral chaotic.
You know what, you're not the first person to tell me something like that. Actually, that sounds kinda intriguing, but unfortunately for Ran… moredall, he's a little to violent at times so you'll have to forgive some people if they blame him for all of it. He still massacred some people, which apparently included tying a guy to a wall and leaving him for the walker versions of his crew(?) to eat alive, but yeah, too much of an asshole.
Also, if you put it in perspective; he bullied Zachary into shooting someone... because he was annoyed that his sister was trusting/siding with Zach over him
Sounds pretty petty when you put it this way, doesn't it?
Also the fact that he does it out of spite, as well. Take note of his "Dammit Zachary! Now who's taking things too far?!" after Zachary shoots. He's saying it mockingly. He's making fun of how just a few minutes ago, Zachary was calling Randall out on going too far when he beat up Greg/Michonne. Randall doesn't even care about Zachary killing someone, he just wanted to torment him to get back at him for something that isn't even his fault (Norma trusting him). Randall wasn't even really concerned with getting answers either, he just wanted to watch Zach squirm.
You know what, you're not the first person to tell me something like that. Actually, that sounds kinda intriguing, but unfortunately for Ran… moredall, he's a little to violent at times so you'll have to forgive some people if they blame him for all of it. He still massacred some people, which apparently included tying a guy to a wall and leaving him for the walker versions of his crew(?) to eat alive, but yeah, too much of an asshole.
You bring up some good points, although I do believe that he was interested on finding out the location of the stolen guns and ammunition, because that could get his sister to trust him again, which is why he was angry at Zachary in the first place. He seeks Norma's approval far more than we notice during quick playthroughs, for which I assume he might be willing to look for answers from Michonne, Samantha and Greg.
but yeah, too much of an asshole.
Also, if you put it in perspective; he bullied Zachary into shooting someone... because he was ann… moreoyed that his sister was trusting/siding with Zach over him
Sounds pretty petty when you put it this way, doesn't it?
Also the fact that he does it out of spite, as well. Take note of his "Dammit Zachary! Now who's taking things too far?!" after Zachary shoots. He's saying it mockingly. He's making fun of how just a few minutes ago, Zachary was calling Randall out on going too far when he beat up Greg/Michonne. Randall doesn't even care about Zachary killing someone, he just wanted to torment him to get back at him for something that isn't even his fault (Norma trusting him). Randall wasn't even really concerned with getting answers either, he just wanted to watch Zach squirm.
For example, take a look at his handling of the situation when he first captured Clementine's group.
He only became aggressive when Kenny shot one of Carver's guys, thus he shot Walter. He only shoots Alvin if Kenny shoots Carver. His entire logic is based on exterminating any threats to his community, hence himself and his people. It's only evil because of his way of doing so (he was very harsh, shooting Walter, killing Alvin, throwing Reggie off a rooftop), and the fact that the "threat" is us, Clementine, so of course we're going to have a biased view on whether he is evil or not.
For example, take a look at his handling of the situation when he first captured Clementine's group.
He only became aggressive when Kenny… more shot one of Carver's guys, thus he shot Walter. He only shoots Alvin if Kenny shoots Carver. His entire logic is based on exterminating any threats to his community, hence himself and his people. It's only evil because of his way of doing so (he was very harsh, shooting Walter, killing Alvin, throwing Reggie off a rooftop), and the fact that the "threat" is us, Clementine, so of course we're going to have a biased view on whether he is evil or not.
To me, it felt more like Randall was focused on screwing with Zachary than he was on getting answers. He kept speaking up and egging Zachary on. Zachary's trying his best to stay calm, but Randall keeps trying to stress him out. And when Zachary starts freaking out after Sam breaks the mirror, Randall continues to yell at him until he pulls the trigger.
You bring up some good points, although I do believe that he was interested on finding out the location of the stolen guns and ammunition, b… moreecause that could get his sister to trust him again, which is why he was angry at Zachary in the first place. He seeks Norma's approval far more than we notice during quick playthroughs, for which I assume he might be willing to look for answers from Michonne, Samantha and Greg.
To me, it felt more like Randall was focused on screwing with Zachary than he was on getting answers. He kept speaking up and egging Zachary… more on. Zachary's trying his best to stay calm, but Randall keeps trying to stress him out. And when Zachary starts freaking out after Sam breaks the mirror, Randall continues to yell at him until he pulls the trigger.
Oh that's okay and of course but once again alignments aren't a limitation. A chaotic neutral can do something that could be considered Lawful Good once in a while and still be a chaotically neutral character, the borders between alignments will always be blurred.
I think the key to it is consider what a character would do, why they would do it, what wouldn't they do, and do they rely on logic, emotion, or both when making most decisions.
Oh that's okay and of course but once again alignments aren't a limitation. A chaotic neutral can do something that could be considered Lawf… moreul Good once in a while and still be a chaotically neutral character, the borders between alignments will always be blurred.
If you entered the ferry through the window, there's the body of a little girl, a little boy, and three teenagers. It's probably safe to assume Randall was responsible for their deaths, as well. And even if he didn't do it himself, someone that was with him did.
Man, me having a Randall profile picture probably makes this ironic, but just look at that handsomely smug mug of his!
I addressed the first point as a reply to @DabigRG.
I honestly can't manage to consider him evil for something that was not clear in the … moregame. It was hinted that he had killed children, but it could also have been a means to intimidate Michonne. However, if a Telltale Staff—such as @emilybuckshot—wrote here and confirmed that he had indeed killed children to find satisfaction, I would coincide the second after that he should be categorized as evil. Our discrepancy appears to be more about what actually happened rather than whether the act should be frowned upon.
The fella's a psychopath, there's no arguing it.
I agree. Might be a second degree psychopath, meaning that he does not consider the damage made toward others when he decides whether to fulfill what he wants and his psychopathy has risen due to the environment of the apocalypse.
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Chuck is good..... not sure where to from there
Id give her neutral good, shes all about herself and omid really but she does still help the others
Neutral good, he never does anything to harm others and seems to be about right and wrong. Hes not chaotic in any way to me
Chaotic good/neutral, the fact she helps lee and the others makes her good but her partaking in the system of crawford until the issues effected her means im iffy on her being truly good.
Lawful neutral, Hes not evil but hes definitely not good after stealing the boat. However hes all about systems and plans so lawful fits.
Neutral good overall, Luke could even be Lawful good occasionally given his opposition to killing.
Neutral good, Shes a good person however her morality doesnt really go beyond that
Lawful good, all about old standards even if they dont work anymore. Episode 1 and 2 hints at lawful neutral but what we get is lawful good.
Cant place them to be honest, even when discounting episode 1
Chaotic neutral, Nicks pretty much just pure chaos action wise. (im judging everything from the two episodes he was an actual character)
Lawful good, he was pretty much all good and order (which makes the way he dies all the more dumb)
Lawful good, there all about old standards and crime and punishment.
Id say they are all lawful evil overall, they work together and in a system. Danny stretches this though hes very chaotic
Lawful neutral, I guess. We didnt see that much of her
Neutral evil, seems to enjoy causing pain but really his character seems pretty much all about himself
Lawful evil, A dictator is pretty solid lawful evil
Neutral evil overall, he does work in a system with a group but given it looks like he is stealing from them also Arvo is pretty neutral. Id even be willing to argue true neutral, he doesnt seem to do evil for the sake of it.
Lawful neutral
She pushes good and evil but given that inconsistency I have to leave her with just her lawful control
Chaotic evil overall.... He does some lawful evil aspects such as bullying through position however everything else is pure chaotic wildness.
Yeah. That was about my reasoning, since he seemed to be sick before the outbreak and yet we also hear that he is a Momma's Boy and later practically begs Lee to keep him alive so the meat won't get tainted because, "That's how things work now!"
So, yeah, his behavior crosses into Chaotic Evil but his thoughts are guided by Lawful Evil.
Andy is a bit hard to read(as in too lazy to rewatch cutscenes featuring him), so I just chaulked him up to Neutral Evil since he seemed to be the ringleader at times and he accuses Lee of causing trouble while holding Duck at gunpoint.
Brenda seemed to still have some degree of morals if you pay attention to some of her behavior and dialogue while she is sitting on the porch and holding Katjaa hostage. And, should you attempt to reason with her, she appears to seriously consider it before seemingly giving out and having the Brothers capture everyone. So, I initially identified her as Lawful Neutral because she seems to be motivated by old family values and her own standards regarding the Walkers, rather than any active malice.
Why not?
No, but seriously, I actually had a brief exchange about this concerning the 400 Days characters. From my understanding, the Walking Dead isn't as much about deciding who the character is but determining what they would do, think, and say in certain scenarios. Whether we play him as a Good Guy, someone who has strayed from his morals, or an outright hilarious Scumbag, Lee Everett was a character of his own that had a life before we took control of him. And while some of his words and actions may contradict this at times, he still goes through the game as someone who does care about people, knows how to get things done, will help them with their problems, and takes care of Clementine. So, Neutral Good with a hint at Lawful Good would seem to be the canonical portrayal.
True. One of the main reasons I gave her Lawful Good was her reaction to learning that Kenny tried to convince Lee to let Beatrice get eaten alive and/or help him kill Larry, as well as her reaction to Lilly shooting Carley/Doug, in which case she flat out admits that she would have gotten rid of her herself.
Yeah, unfortunately, Carley's popularity seems to be a result of her skill with a gun, suspenseful subplot regarding Lee's past, and then her arguable demotion to satellite character in which she gets teased as a love interest. Lawful just seems to be the most obvious since she seems to have an small emphasis on the truth.
Funny thing about Larry is that he is so hotheaded and yet so hard-nosed that he could go anywhere. Lawful would apply to his military training and distrust of Lee, who regardless of the fact that players like Lee and likely hate Larry, is a killer. However, Chaotic perfectly sums up his behavior, since he will outright ignore Lilly when he gets worked up despite knowing the consequences of doing so. The only thing I personally wouldn't identify him as is Evil: he clearly hates Lee and later the St. Johns because they is a criminal killer and cannibals, he does genuinely care about people's safety seeing as he tries to help save Lee and Katjaa at certain points, and however asshole-ish he may be, he clearly has enough of a soft spot for Lilly and children to occasionally call it quits, personally threaten Lee should anything happen to Clementine, and apologize for wanting to put down Duck when the truth comes out.
You're definitely right, since Chaotic implies that he can't always be controlled despite his humble nature and that he lets his emotions, namely fear, paranoia, and regret, rule his actions. The True Neutral is an interesting suggestion but aside from abandoning Clementine when they get surrounded, I don't remember any other moments that would suggest this. Care to elaborate?
Taavia is one of the characters I wanted to see more from and plan on doing my own entry on her later, but unfortunately she is one of the more obvious examples of how some characters got wasted and how Episode 3 in general felt empty.
Combining her 400 Days appearance with her Episode 3 scenes gives her a relatively solid foundation as Lawful Neutral: following Carver(or his possible predessor)'s orders to go out and find survivors to bring back to Howe's and later taking charge of Rebecca, Sarah, Sarita, and Jane(and Nick, lol) as part of her guard duties, and yet appears even more lax than Troy since we never really see her have to assert her authority to much and doesn't really mind Sarah or Clementine stopping to take care of whatever it is they are concerned about. The Neutral is even more enforced when she is seen off on her own talking casually to Hank over the radio and tries to smoke a cigarette before Vince shows up to get her to stop and she chases after him to avoid getting in trouble with Carver. My first playthrough even seemed to indicate that she clearly had to have seen Clementine sneaking and skulking about for the radios during the later scene but due to either a lack of game over's in this sequence or just plain disinterest on her part, she just stares in that general direction for a bit before moving on, not even pausing her conversation.
You know what, I completely forgot to consider that. Though as much as a dumb hick he may be, Troy did seem to just mind his own business when he wasn't on active duty, since they seemed to be hinting that he may have noticed the group's plans and suspicious behavior but was more concerned about just getting them out of his hair as soon as possible. The Chaotic definitely applies to his tendency to be angry and verbally/physically abuse pretty much anyone beneath him. Neutral does seem to also apply since he was just as prone to picking on the prisoners as just dealing with or ignoring them when it suited him and while he admits to potentially enjoying the chance to beat Sarah, I always kinda took that as him talking tough in front of Carver, who seemed to have a good enough leash on him to make him freeze during the truck ride back to Howe's and also cause him to do nothing while he's beating Kenny despite his evident discomfort besides butting Clementine/Sarita with his gun when they try to intervene.
Eeeh, I don't know. Arvo as a villain in general didn't really strike me in any positive ways, as his actions and behavior reflects someone who's used to doing things for others, particularly if he is (easily) convinced that it has to be done, with a lot of reluctance and remorse on his end.
I suggested he could be Lawful Evil because his only malicious acts, bringing his group to get back at Clementine's entire group and shooting her when Mike attempts to reason with her, seemed to be reactions to Jane sticking him up and Clementine/Kenny killing Natasha and taking him prisoner. There's also the fact that Lawful in general could apply to his initial jitteriness with drawing a gun on Clementine in self defense, getting angry with Jane for considering taking his sister's medicine, outright arguing for Buricko to back down when he realizes that AJ is present, and labeling of Kenny as pure evil in reinforcement of Mike, not to mention the whole eye for eye thing where justice and revenge are interchangeable. You're right that any brand of Neutral would work since he didn't seem to want to cause or recieve any trouble, and his sister seemed to be his only true positive relationship.
Also, I never got the idea that he was stealing from his own group, considering it was medicine for his sister who he clearly loved enough to get upset with Jane, Clementine, and Kenny, and I just assumed he was either keeping a separate stash for emergencies(which would imply that he could be a bandit but whatever) or establishing a separate base for his group to use in the near future. But I suppose that's one of those story oddities that you have to draw your own conclusions from in order for it to get some explanation.
Oh shit, I meant to put Chaotic Good due to her tendency to act almost entirely on emotion: initially fixating on being Clementine's friend regardless of her obvious discomfort and determinant refusal, responding to any stressful situation with fear or anxiety, locking up when something really bad happens, usually associated with death, having moments that make her come off as a bit creepy such as following up the news of Pete's death by revealing and playing with a gun, having little to no regard for rules or authority at times despite her insistence on" being good", yet also having a small but noticeable habit of charging in recklessly when Carlos or Clementine are attacked by Carver. Though Neutral as either an alignment and a morality could also apply seeing how her more extreme or OOC moments revolve around those two.
Well Alvin, at the very least, seemed to definitely be a nice guy who didn't mind talking against his wife as long as she doesn't find out about it. Rebecca, on the other hand, is pretty hard to place, given her penchant for vindictiveness indicating Chaotic alignment and yet her caring nature towards Clementine, Sarita, Sarah, and Nick suggests Lawful. At the very least, she gets filed under Good if only in comparison to the likes of Carver(Lawful Evil with Psychotic overtones), Kenny(Chaotic Neutral with a default to Good, at least initially), and Jane(Some brand of Neutral with a few hints of Good and Evil).
Everything about what I know about Nick definitely gears him towards Chaotic Good: his guilt complex in regards to either failing to protect or trying to harm an innocent, his outward resentment towards Pete and later Luke despite the fact that he really admires them, getting depressed when things start going downhill, denying responsibility when called out on his wrongdoings if he feels like he's being blamed or accused, yet being prone to owning up to his mistakes if he is left alone to stew over it himself, and the fact that its implied that his charging out to find help for Luke and Sarah is what lead to his 2nd death because he did so while completely disregarding the fact that he had a bullet in his shoulder.
All in all, a character who lets his emotions control him in the immediate, but whose heart means he will try to make things right in the afterwards.
I guess. While Walter seemed to be trying to be a good samaritan at all times before finding Matthew's knife, Sarita unfortunately got very little to work with other than her attempts to save Kenny from himself, desire to keep Clementine and Sarah's 'innocence' in tact, and her surprising damning attitude at times when she feels that she and Kenny are being unfairly or ungratefully treated. So, while I want to classify both as Lawful Good, they both have enough of an Agape or backlash prone attitude to qualify as Neutral as well.
What ten-years-old? Clem? He didn't beat her with a walkie-takie, but with his gun (and the one that hit her when she was trying to help Kenny was Troy, and again, he used a gun, not a walkie). Besides, she's 11, as far as I know.
I guess. I was keeping in mind the fact that she breaks down crying when watching Dr. Logan's tapes involving Anna Corea, rationalizes Vernon as someone who does what's best for his group when he steals the boat, and later gut-shot Michelle in spite of the latter dropping the gun, surrendering, and attempting to apologize for accidentally killing Omid. So, I'd say someone who follows the rules and is willing to forgive and forget unless it applies to her; kind of a parallel to Kenny, actually.
True. I was kinda refering to his sense of humor, but you're right that he doesn't let it cause him to act in a chaotic fashion.
Yeah, Good and caring towards children on the inside, but Neutral and disrespectful to adults on the outside. I considered True Neutral because while she alternates between fighting for herself and wanting to help, she prefers to be on her own.
This was a tough one to seriously consider: on one hand, him stealing the boat was definitely a treacherous move after what he and Lee's Group had been through. On the other hand, my second playthrough seemed to suggest that he is a moral and caring man worthy of the Good morality, since I managed to be on good terms with him, aside from accidentally letting Walker!Oberson drag down Ben and even then, he simply expressed subdued doubt that Lee is the type of man who would do such a thing. And like Christa said, he was primarily concerned with hiding and protecting his group, and yet he still risks himself by agreeing to go try and help Omid despite Brie and Clive's protests and seriously objects to the entire group but especially Clementine being put in dangerous situations. So, I just put both.
Just want to thank everyone who posted....this has been so far a flame free and illuminating discussion so far.
Walter is Lawful Good....sorta feel really bad as he and Matthew were innocent bystanders.
I was referring to Walter the Dog from Savannah. We only see his bony corpse buried in the backyard, so we don't know what he was like.
The other Walter is somewhere above alongside Mathew and Sarita.
I would counter that walkers are a chaotic evil because they are not a natural force and cannot be reckoned with.
Their actions are similar to that of a plague of locus, they disrupt the natural order simply by existing in and of itself is both chaotic and evil.
What Everyone'sClemInTime said.
Randall?
I do consider your point. However, how can we be assured that the walkers disrupt the natural order, and that the apocalypse was not meant to happen, especially taking into account that we don't know about its origin? Quite a few philosophers hold that everything that happens has been determined by something else, and that everything that happens was always meant to happen, which leaves little space for us to say that the walkers or anything else disrupts order.
As an aside, doesn't disruption of order have to do with whether a character is lawful or chaotic?
Would you mind pin-pointing specifs, OneWayNoWay?
You might want to read my reply.
The implication that he massacre the dwellers of that ferry because they were supposedly trading with Sam's family, presumably against Norma's wishes and knowledge. Or the fact that he describe what will happen if he gets free and goes after Alex and James in excruciating detail, indicating that he's talking from experience?
I am pretty sure that keeping a community with more than a dozen of people running, and numerous interactions of him and the other inhabitants that we didn't witness, balances the bad that he did while we stayed at Howe's Hardware. Hence, neutral.
I get what you're trying to get at, but unfortunately, Carver is very black or white character clinging to some veneer of grey.
We have Bonnie admit that she is aware of his increasingly intimidating behavior but convinced herself to stay by saying it's better to try and fix what's broken. We also have indications from Reggie, Troy, Taavia, Hank, Vince and Becca that while he does create some remnant of order and stability, he is a very hardcore leader who wasn't likely to forgive Reggie or the Cabin Group despite preaching it, dishes out punishments over the slightest thing, and apparently comes down hard on guards and denizens alike. He could practically quote Mundus/Mund-ass from DmC and have it be completely applicable.
His interactions with Reggie and...pretty much any of the Howe's Ski Cabin Group shows that he is definitely a controlling psychopath, even going as far as to smack Clementine for staring at him, forced Carlos to do the same to Sarah because his instructions apparently bored her(admittedly while he does have a point in this case, his brutality and actions otherwise kinda weakens it), kill Reggie just to prove a point to Sarah, voices his intent to eventually separate Rebecca from Alvin and the Cabin Group, spitefully claims AJ as his regardless of Alvin's DNA, and threatens to abort Rebecca and AJ because he wasn't gonna let them exist without him. The fact that he put so much effort into hunting them down is something that Taavia mocks and that Bonnie helps enforce. Kinda reminds me of David from the Last of Us, actually.
THE GOOD:
1.Lawful Good: Lee Everett (though may overlap to Neutral Good judging from playthrough), Clementine (in S2, could overlap to others judging on playthrough), Katjaa, luke, Doug, Carley, Sarah, Alvin, Walter, Sarita, Pete (both S2 and Michonne), Chuck, Oak, Duck.
2. Chaotic Good: S1 Kenny, Nick, Michonne, Ben.
3. Neutral Good: Molly, Rebecca (maybe?), Sam (Michonne), Eddie, Wyatt, Paige, Mark.
THE NEUTRAL:
1. Lawful Neutral: Carlos, Vernon, Russell, Danny, Mike, Christa, Lilly.
2. True Neutral: Justin, Vince, Bonnie, Arvo, Michelle.
3. Chaotic Neutral: Nate, S2 Kenny, Jane (maybe?), Larry.
THE EVIL:
1. Lawful Evil: Carver, Andy St John, Brenda St John, Norma, The Stranger, Troy, Bandits, Jolene.
2. Neutral Evil: The Walkers, Sam the Dog.
3. Chaotic Evil: Randall, Danny St John.
EDIT: Just fixed something.
Yeah, as @DabigRG said, Randall massacring those at the ferry and him implying that he's responsible for having murdered children, and that he'd gladly do so again. The fella's a psychopath, there's no arguing it.
Wow. I'd say that's pretty accurate except for maybe Bonnie, Justin, the Bandits, Jolene, Troy, and debatably Sarah, Duck, and Rebecca. But then, that could just be me.
Yeah, Bonnie and Jolene were the ones I had a bit of trouble putting into categories. I mean, Bonnie definitely, in my opinion, goes into one of the neural slots, but I couldn't really decide which suited her character truly the best and with Jolene, she could also be neutral chaotic.
It's an interesting topic. And you bring some valid points to the table. I just find that any force that exists without any resemblance of compassion or justifiable concern is in and of itself evil.
And to answer your question, yes. The walkers do disrupt order through lack of affiliation or compassion, which is kind of what defines chaos.
The impression that Michonne left on me was that of a complex conflict with multiple parties involved. @Deltino also explains this quite well.
I understood, taking into account all testimonies regarding The Mobjack massacre, that there used to be a group of people inhabitating the ferry, possibly including Rashid and Vanessa. Then a second group of people called the scavengers killed them and took over the ferry. Samantha and Greg traded some of the stolen Monroe supplies with these scavengers behind John's back, though the former two didn't know about the killing of the first inhabitants. The siblings told them about Monroe, which is when the scavengers decided that they would move onto there. Randall somehow learned about all this, headed to The Mobjack and killed the entire group of scavengers to secure his sister's community—behind Norma's back—leaving Samantha under the impression that Monroe are a colony of pirates and bad people.
Did Randall handle the situation with the scavengers poorly? I believe so. Do I think that he killed the scavengers out of pure satisfaction? In my opinion, not at all. That's why I don't take him as evil for this, though I'm aware that everyone holds their own reasoning and moral standards. The way that I see it, it all came to which group of people would die.
I will adress the second point as a reply to @OneWayNoWay to shake things up.
I addressed the first point as a reply to @DabigRG.
I honestly can't manage to consider him evil for something that was not clear in the game. It was hinted that he had killed children, but it could also have been a means to intimidate Michonne. However, if a Telltale Staff—such as @emilybuckshot—wrote here and confirmed that he had indeed killed children to find satisfaction, I would coincide the second after that he should be categorized as evil. Our discrepancy appears to be more about what actually happened rather than whether the act should be frowned upon.
I agree. Might be a second degree psychopath, meaning that he does not consider the damage made toward others when he decides whether to fulfill what he wants and his psychopathy has risen due to the environment of the apocalypse.
You know what, you're not the first person to tell me something like that. Actually, that sounds kinda intriguing, but unfortunately for Randall, he's a little to violent at times so you'll have to forgive some people if they blame him for all of it. He still massacred some people, which apparently included tying a guy to a wall and leaving him for the walker versions of his crew(?) to eat alive, but yeah, too much of an asshole.
True. Bonnie has a lot of Good in her, but Neutral seems about right as well.
Believe me—that he is an asshole, I completely agree. I tried my best to restrain myself when Michonne had the chance to torture him.
Also, if you put it in perspective; he bullied Zachary into shooting someone... because he was annoyed that his sister was trusting/siding with Zach over him
Sounds pretty petty when you put it this way, doesn't it?
Also the fact that he does it out of spite, as well. Take note of his "Dammit Zachary! Now who's taking things too far?!" after Zachary shoots. He's saying it mockingly. He's making fun of how just a few minutes ago, Zachary was calling Randall out on going too far when he beat up Greg/Michonne. Randall doesn't even care about Zachary killing someone, he just wanted to torment him to get back at him for something that isn't even his fault (Norma trusting him). Randall wasn't even really concerned with getting answers either, he just wanted to watch Zach squirm.
You bring up some good points, although I do believe that he was interested on finding out the location of the stolen guns and ammunition, because that could get his sister to trust him again, which is why he was angry at Zachary in the first place. He seeks Norma's approval far more than we notice during quick playthroughs, for which I assume he might be willing to look for answers from Michonne, Samantha and Greg.
For example, take a look at his handling of the situation when he first captured Clementine's group.
He only became aggressive when Kenny shot one of Carver's guys, thus he shot Walter. He only shoots Alvin if Kenny shoots Carver. His entire logic is based on exterminating any threats to his community, hence himself and his people. It's only evil because of his way of doing so (he was very harsh, shooting Walter, killing Alvin, throwing Reggie off a rooftop), and the fact that the "threat" is us, Clementine, so of course we're going to have a biased view on whether he is evil or not.
I'm sorry dude, I meant to reply to the person above.
Also, you do present a point. Though the Reggie thing was just plain uncalled for.
To me, it felt more like Randall was focused on screwing with Zachary than he was on getting answers. He kept speaking up and egging Zachary on. Zachary's trying his best to stay calm, but Randall keeps trying to stress him out. And when Zachary starts freaking out after Sam breaks the mirror, Randall continues to yell at him until he pulls the trigger.
Nevermind that Greg dying would most likely mean Michonne and Sam would be bitten and/or eaten alive....
Oh that's okay and of course but once again alignments aren't a limitation. A chaotic neutral can do something that could be considered Lawful Good once in a while and still be a chaotically neutral character, the borders between alignments will always be blurred.
I think the key to it is consider what a character would do, why they would do it, what wouldn't they do, and do they rely on logic, emotion, or both when making most decisions.
If you entered the ferry through the window, there's the body of a little girl, a little boy, and three teenagers. It's probably safe to assume Randall was responsible for their deaths, as well. And even if he didn't do it himself, someone that was with him did.
Man, me having a Randall profile picture probably makes this ironic, but just look at that handsomely smug mug of his!