As Kenny's biggest supporter, this going to shock people, but I think Kenny would have been hurt by that knowledge. I think Clementine und… moreerstood that and did not tell him. Which she could have done when he was yelling at her. Even I am glad this didn't happen.....there is such a thing as being sadistic....Clementine is not that and nor is Kenny.
Kenny is in pain...he is to blame for a lot of shit, but at the end of the day...he is no villain.
I'd just say it's down to damn shit writing. I despised No Going Back for many reasons. When Burricko shot his machine gun (which swapped to a shotgun in episode 5) at the group to start off the shootout, realistically they would all have been shot dead most likely shooting each other and at such a close range. They wouldn't have had time to get into cover. Honestly everything about that scene made me think the writers were high or something. Also the group never went to the town they saw through the scope in the previous episode and don't get me started on the awful, ridiculous lake scene! The only scene I liked was the campfire scene with the group and the final ending i chose
That's a point, but it goes both ways.
I just find it kind of funny that a man who was able to dispose of an entire ambush almost single-… morehandedly, even without the use of one of his eyes and most likely being disoriented from so many gun blasts at one time that close can't seem to muster up enough strength in his infinite murder-boner to simply set his torso weight on top his arms to kill a fairly tiny and petite woman.
It's not as if he had a problem mustering strength to pick up a nearly 100lb saltlick over his head and toss it on Larry so I don't know. Maybe his horror-death-erection was low?
We know that Jane is an expert survivalist who is willing to do anything to stay that way and get what she wants, but one of her struggling points was morality. She knows that she just hid AJ in the middle of a snowstorm and pretended that she lost him just to get Kenny to go on a Rampage of Revenge so she could prove a point. She knows that what she orchestrated went too far and determinately gets Clementine hurt and heartbroken in the crossfire and herself, Kenny, or both killed.
While I got the idea that she is very capable of lying consummately, acting sympathetic, and/or telling people what she's pretty sure they want to hear, her confession at the end (should Clementine save her) seemed to show signs of being ashamed that she let things get as far as it did for her own purposes.
But, yes, a post-apocalyptic court hearing does sound pretty cool.
I'd just say it's down to damn shit writing. I despised No Going Back for many reasons. When Burricko shot his machine gun (which swapped to… more a shotgun in episode 5) at the group to start off the shootout, realistically they would all have been shot dead most likely shooting each other and at such a close range. They wouldn't have had time to get into cover. Honestly everything about that scene made me think the writers were high or something. Also the group never went to the town they saw through the scope in the previous episode and don't get me started on the awful, ridiculous lake scene! The only scene I liked was the campfire scene with the group and the final ending i chose
What was it again?
Episode V: The Kenny Strikes Back?
Episode 5: AJ Ruins Christmas?
Clem and Ken: Awesome Game, Great Job?
I forgot. I think I'll go with the second one.
It was "Better To Sleep," which metaphorically means that some survivors might prefer to remain in death than to continue living. It's a parallel of sorts to both Jaime and Kenny—but that's not relevant because I own this fucking title as my handle!
What was it again?
Episode V: The Kenny Strikes Back?
Episode 5: AJ Ruins Christmas?
Clem and Ken: Awesome Game, Great Job?
I forgot. I think I'll go with the second one.
And the little moment at the end you speak of did not happen in mine so a big fuck you to the other ending as far as my opinion goes. I'm glad the ending i had gave me the same feels as season 1.
But Kenny was waiting till the fight was fair good sir! After all Jane had the advantage with a weapon. Kenneth waited for the moment the match was equal
But Kenny was waiting till the fight was fair good sir! After all Jane had the advantage with a weapon. Kenneth waited for the moment the match was equal
Jane isn't someone who operates or thinks by what's fair. She brought a knife to a fist fight and used it repeatedly, which is how it got dropped for Kenny to use himself in the first place. So, if anything, it's a Combat Pragmatist being Hoist by her own petard.
You mean he was looking for the fight from the first place that why he was waiting for her to put the weapon back and she clearly ask him to stay away from her and that prove jane's theory about him
And he fall for it
Listen maybe ken is a good person one from the best but his a bad person too and one from the worst that a fact
That just my opinion and you have the right to to do not like it
But Kenny was waiting till the fight was fair good sir! After all Jane had the advantage with a weapon. Kenneth waited for the moment the match was equal
Jane isn't someone who operates or thinks by what's fair.
I only commented because I wanted to counterargue what Dan said—about Kenny waiting until the fight was fair. It is clear as day that he waited for an opportunity to attack, which is what almost everybody would do in that situation. My point was that he wasn't waiting for the situation to be fair, at all. And it's understandable, because no one would.
Besides, what does Jane have to do with anything?
She brought a knife to a fist fight and used it repeatedly
I am not sure if this is an American idiom, but, taking it literally, Jane was carrying a weapon for protection in the apocalypse and this fight was not meant to take place.
which is how it got dropped for Kenny to use himself in the first place. So, if anything, it's a Combat Pragmatist being Hoist by her own petard.
Kenny started the fight by attempting to punch her twice and then pinning her against a window, just after she holstered her knife. Jane only had to put her weapon to use after Kenny attacked her. I am not sure what your point is.
Jane isn't someone who operates or thinks by what's fair. She brought a knife to a fist fight and used it repeatedly, which is how it got dr… moreopped for Kenny to use himself in the first place. So, if anything, it's a Combat Pragmatist being Hoist by her own petard.
Hey, I'm not saying Kenny didn't want to fight her(in fact, I didn't say whose fault the fight was at all in that post), but I am saying accusing Kenny of cheating isn't very pertinent when Jane had the advantage by default.
Also, maybe its a grammar/spelling fail on your part or a comprehension fail on mine, but I have no idea what the second to last sentence has to do with anyone.
You mean he was looking for the fight from the first place that why he was waiting for her to put the weapon back and she clearly ask him t… moreo stay away from her and that prove jane's theory about him
And he fall for it
Listen maybe ken is a good person one from the best but his a bad person too and one from the worst that a fact
That just my opinion and you have the right to to do not like it
Haha and when Clem got in between the both of them and was shoved out of the way by Kenny or Jane, i recall Jane charged towards him with the knife even though at that point Kenny didn't actually do anything to provoke her, but she still charged at him...yep that was her fighting fair lol. Jane fans seem to forget that.
By the way my above post was completely sarcastic but you obviously took it as serious. In my comment i was referring to the start of the fight after she put the knife away, not after the fight got out of hand. Again the comment was sarcastic in response to A-IBRAHIM0702
I had the impression that your comment had an ironic air more than being sarcastic in itself, which is why I took it seriously.
Anyway, the point I was getting to is that Kenny did not intend for the fight to be fair—he was waiting for an opportunity to attack. He was waiting for a time when it was convenient for him, not equal for the two of them. And why the hell would he do the latter when he was in a fight!
Haha and when Clem got in between the both of them and was shoved out of the way by Kenny or Jane, i recall Jane charged towards him with the knife even though at that point Kenny didn't actually do anything to provoke her, but she still charged at him...yep that was her fighting fair lol. Jane fans seem to forget that.
Jane is not involved in my point whatsoever, which is why I won't be discussing her here.
Haha and when Clem got in between the both of them and was shoved out of the way by Kenny or Jane, i recall Jane charged towards him with th… moree knife even though at that point Kenny didn't actually do anything to provoke her, but she still charged at him...yep that was her fighting fair lol. Jane fans seem to forget that.
By the way my above post was completely sarcastic but you obviously took it as serious. In my comment i was referring to the start of the fight after she put the knife away, not after the fight got out of hand. Again the comment was sarcastic in response to A-IBRAHIM0702
You mean he was looking for the fight from the first place that why he was waiting for her to put the weapon back
Yeah he was angry because he was led believe/assumed that she had killed the baby. He was in the wrong for that reason but she wanted him to think this which makes her equally wrong causing the whole eruption to occur in the first place despite her intentions of what she was trying to prove.
Listen maybe ken is a good person one from the best but his a bad person too and one from the worst that a fact
Every single person who would be living in an apocalyptic world does bad things to survive and i think we can all agree on that and that world has changed everyone and i would say pretty much every character has gone from good to bad in some way, even Clementine but so far to a lesser extent.
That just my opinion and you have the right to to do not like it
You mean he was looking for the fight from the first place that why he was waiting for her to put the weapon back and she clearly ask him t… moreo stay away from her and that prove jane's theory about him
And he fall for it
Listen maybe ken is a good person one from the best but his a bad person too and one from the worst that a fact
That just my opinion and you have the right to to do not like it
The teenager portrayal was spot-on, but I found her character to be rather annoying than complex and interesting. I never really liked The Last Of Us at all, to be honest.
Haha how come? I admit her swearing was shocking and she sometimes came across as bratty but to be honest i think the way Ashley Johnson played Ellie was the perfect way i think that a teenager acts generally.
My point is that accusing Kenny of cheating isn't very pertinent when Jane had the advantage by default. And even then, she sure doesn't care whether anything is "fair," "nice," or even "appropriate": She is a survivalist, which means she will do whatever she deems necessary.
Jane isn't someone who operates or thinks by what's fair.
I only commented because I wanted to counterargue what Dan said—about Kenn… morey waiting until the fight was fair. It is clear as day that he waited for an opportunity to attack, which is what almost everybody would do in that situation. My point was that he wasn't waiting for the situation to be fair, at all. And it's understandable, because no one would.
Besides, what does Jane have to do with anything?
She brought a knife to a fist fight and used it repeatedly
I am not sure if this is an American idiom, but, taking it literally, Jane was carrying a weapon for protection in the apocalypse and this fight was not meant to take place.
which is how it got dropped for Kenny to use himself in the first place. So, if anything, it's a Combat Pragmatist being Hoist by her own petard.
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My point is that accusing Kenny of cheating isn't very pertinent when Jane had the advantage by default.
She had the vantage by default? She sheathed her weapon and Kenny still attacked. She didn't have that knife or any weapon at all at that moment yet Kenny still attacked this skinnier and weaker woman. And do we really want to talk about who's being 'unfair' on this fight? The man attacked with no reason what-so-ever. Everything based on a fucking hunch and people still want to shed light on his actions?
But yeah, fuck Jane, the demon, for using her knife after being attacked twice by a stronger man. How dare she try to defend her life with the only thing she had!
My point is that accusing Kenny of cheating isn't very pertinent when Jane had the advantage by default. And even then, she sure doesn't car… moree whether anything is "fair," "nice," or even "appropriate": She is a survivalist, which means she will do whatever she deems necessary.
Who is even accusing Kenny of cheating? I have only been saying that he wasn't looking for fairness in a fight, but nothing is wrong with that since anybody in a fight will look for their own advantage and not fairness. You are putting words in my mouth.
My point is that accusing Kenny of cheating isn't very pertinent when Jane had the advantage by default. And even then, she sure doesn't car… moree whether anything is "fair," "nice," or even "appropriate": She is a survivalist, which means she will do whatever she deems necessary.
K. Also, as much as I hate Jane, I should still point out that she lost her temper and chased after him with intent to do damage when he didn't just run away altogether. She went into this thing knowing he would try to attack and fight her in outrage so she could prove her point, but she also got mad and ended up going even further than even he consciously thought they would. Oh the irony!
Haha and when Clem got in between the both of them and was shoved out of the way by Kenny or Jane, i recall Jane charged towards him with th… moree knife even though at that point Kenny didn't actually do anything to provoke her, but she still charged at him...yep that was her fighting fair lol. Jane fans seem to forget that.
By the way my above post was completely sarcastic but you obviously took it as serious. In my comment i was referring to the start of the fight after she put the knife away, not after the fight got out of hand. Again the comment was sarcastic in response to A-IBRAHIM0702
And she was waiting for an opportunity to put on her theatre staged play for the world to see. But dear fellow let's not dwell on something that will no doubt become an argument as per usual if not already.
Jane is not involved in my point whatsoever, which is why I won't be discussing her here.
But technically she is involved as it is about the fight between them. I was sarcastically making the point that Kenny waited for her to put the knife away so they can fight fair, of COURSE you and i know the real reason why he waited till she put it away but it was sarcasm on my part but i guess i'm not like Everyone'sClemInTime with his so called amusing posts
I had the impression that your comment had an ironic air more than being sarcastic in itself, which is why I took it seriously.
Anyway, t… morehe point I was getting to is that Kenny did not intend for the fight to be fair—he was waiting for an opportunity to attack. He was waiting for a time when it was convenient for him, not equal for the two of them. And why the hell would he do the latter when he was in a fight!
Haha and when Clem got in between the both of them and was shoved out of the way by Kenny or Jane, i recall Jane charged towards him with the knife even though at that point Kenny didn't actually do anything to provoke her, but she still charged at him...yep that was her fighting fair lol. Jane fans seem to forget that.
Jane is not involved in my point whatsoever, which is why I won't be discussing her here.
Who is even accusing Kenny of cheating? I have only been saying that he wasn't looking for fairness in a fight, but nothing is wrong with th… moreat since anybody in a fight will look for their own advantage and not fairness. You are putting words in my mouth.
And why does Jane continue to be brought in?
K. Also, as much as I hate Jane, I should still point out that she lost her temper and chased after him with intent to do damage when he did… moren't just run away altogether. She went into this thing knowing he would try to attack and fight her in outrage so she could prove her point, but she also got mad and ended up going even further than even he consciously thought they would. Oh the irony!
But dear fellow let's not dwell on something that will no doubt become an argument as per usual if not already.
That is a good idea.
but i guess i'm not like Everyone'sClemInTime his called amusing posts
This has never been personal drama, Dan. I just consider most of his posts funny and I pointed it out to him. Whatever beef you and him have is entirely unrelated to his posts making me laugh.
he was waiting for an opportunity to attack.
And she was waiting for an opportunity to put on her theatre staged play for the world … moreto see. But dear fellow let's not dwell on something that will no doubt become an argument as per usual if not already.
Jane is not involved in my point whatsoever, which is why I won't be discussing her here.
But technically she is involved as it is about the fight between them. I was sarcastically making the point that Kenny waited for her to put the knife away so they can fight fair, of COURSE you and i know the real reason why he waited till she put it away but it was sarcasm on my part but i guess i'm not like Everyone'sClemInTime with his so called amusing posts
Yes they can. They could involve pretty much anyone Kenny doesn't like that if he looks like the good guy in comparison: Larry, The Stranger, Carver, Arvo, Jane, all fair game from a black and white viewpoint.
It's funny you fail to mention the part when Jane charged towards Kenny after Clem is shoved out of the way by either of them after she got between them but yeah of course no need to blame her for that because she's sooo in the right through the whole thing.
It's not like she was trying to kill him too (sarcasm).
My point is that accusing Kenny of cheating isn't very pertinent when Jane had the advantage by default.
She had the vantage by defa… moreult? She sheathed her weapon and Kenny still attacked. She didn't have that knife or any weapon at all at that moment yet Kenny still attacked this skinnier and weaker woman. And do we really want to talk about who's being 'unfair' on this fight? The man attacked with no reason what-so-ever. Everything based on a fucking hunch and people still want to shed light on his actions?
But yeah, fuck Jane, the demon, for using her knife after being attacked twice by a stronger man. How dare she try to defend her life with the only thing she had!
It's funny, Dan. I wrote a comment responding to that in your other comment regarding that. I didn't post it because it would start another argument between us and I'd be jumping into your and Sleep's conversation. But since you asked so nicely,
Haha and when Clem got in between the both of them and was shoved out of the way by Kenny or Jane, i recall Jane charged towards him with the knife
Not after giving him a chance to stop that madness.
'Just go!'
'I ain't going nowhere.'
'Fine!'
even though at that point Kenny didn't actually do anything to provoke her, but she still charged at him
Didn't do anything to provoke her? Are you serious? You expect Jane to forget that seconds ago he was attempting to end her life? But I guess that because Kenny stood still for mere 10 seconds that erases the previous provocations. If someone tried to murder you and you had a knife at hand I guess you'd just stay still, waiting for their next attack singing 'Oh Happy Day'?
Sorry for the excesive agressiveness. This is obviously a sensitive matter to us both.
EDIT responding to your edit:
It's not like she was trying to kill him too (sarcasm).
I don't know. I seriously don't. But if she really was trying to end his life later in the fight you wont really see me demonizing her one bit for it because I'll call it self-defense. When a person is actively trying to kill you and you kill said person in order to save your life you won't be sent to jail because that's human and justified. Kenny attacked Jane several times. Jane warned him several times that she would fight back. 'I won't back down from you Kenny (...) I'm warning you.' and tried several times to appeal to his reason to stop what he was doing 'Don't you come near me you son of a bitch! [Sheathes weapon]' 'Just go!' yet he kept attacking her. She had no reason to believe that he was going to stop so she did what she could and tried to stike back.
EDIT2: And, Dan. I don't, by any means, demonize you for choosing Kenny. I get it, you weren't able to kill your old friend Kenny but you can't seriously think that he was anywhere near the right when he attacked Jane. There's no justification it's just immoral and wrong.
It's funny you fail to mention the part when Jane charged towards Kenny after Clem is shoved out of the way by either of them after she got … morebetween them but yeah of course no need to blame her for that because she's sooo in the right through the whole thing.
It's not like she was trying to kill him too (sarcasm).
She had the advantage because, unlike Kenny, she was an expert survivalist, a Combat Pragmatist, is very agile and versatile, has a stoic and rational disposition, has a knife within arms reach, two eyes with which to see, and, most importantly, her sanity.
Kenny is someone whose claim to fame was "I fight better when I'm shitfaced!" And that was back when he had two eyes and his sanity. Using a knife in self-defense isn't wrong if its absolutely necessary to her survival--which is wasn't. If it wasn't for the fact that she only wanted him to get pissed enough to attack her just a little bit, Jane could've taken him unarmed easily despite the apparent difference in strength.
My point is that accusing Kenny of cheating isn't very pertinent when Jane had the advantage by default.
She had the vantage by defa… moreult? She sheathed her weapon and Kenny still attacked. She didn't have that knife or any weapon at all at that moment yet Kenny still attacked this skinnier and weaker woman. And do we really want to talk about who's being 'unfair' on this fight? The man attacked with no reason what-so-ever. Everything based on a fucking hunch and people still want to shed light on his actions?
But yeah, fuck Jane, the demon, for using her knife after being attacked twice by a stronger man. How dare she try to defend her life with the only thing she had!
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I'd just say it's down to damn shit writing. I despised No Going Back for many reasons. When Burricko shot his machine gun (which swapped to a shotgun in episode 5) at the group to start off the shootout, realistically they would all have been shot dead most likely shooting each other and at such a close range. They wouldn't have had time to get into cover. Honestly everything about that scene made me think the writers were high or something. Also the group never went to the town they saw through the scope in the previous episode and don't get me started on the awful, ridiculous lake scene! The only scene I liked was the campfire scene with the group and the final ending i chose
I meant from a justice point of view.
We know that Jane is an expert survivalist who is willing to do anything to stay that way and get what she wants, but one of her struggling points was morality. She knows that she just hid AJ in the middle of a snowstorm and pretended that she lost him just to get Kenny to go on a Rampage of Revenge so she could prove a point. She knows that what she orchestrated went too far and determinately gets Clementine hurt and heartbroken in the crossfire and herself, Kenny, or both killed.
While I got the idea that she is very capable of lying consummately, acting sympathetic, and/or telling people what she's pretty sure they want to hear, her confession at the end (should Clementine save her) seemed to show signs of being ashamed that she let things get as far as it did for her own purposes.
But, yes, a post-apocalyptic court hearing does sound pretty cool.
The only shred of good that came from that episode was the one little moment at the end, you know the one I'm talking about...
What about its amazing original title?
Well yeah.
What was it again?
Episode V: The Kenny Strikes Back?
Episode 5: AJ Ruins Christmas?
Clem and Ken: Awesome Game, Great Job?
I forgot. I think I'll go with the second one.
Duh. It was
Better To Cheat
since Kenny bravely attacks and overpowers Jane only when she sheaths her weapon.
It was "Better To Sleep," which metaphorically means that some survivors might prefer to remain in death than to continue living. It's a parallel of sorts to both Jaime and Kenny—but that's not relevant because I own this fucking title as my handle!
And the little moment at the end you speak of did not happen in mine so a big fuck you to the other ending as far as my opinion goes. I'm glad the ending i had gave me the same feels as season 1.
But Kenny was waiting till the fight was fair good sir! After all Jane had the advantage with a weapon. Kenneth waited for the moment the match was equal
Kenny did not appear to be bothered by the fairness of the fight when he was pinning Jane down with a serrated knife inches from her chest, did he?
Jane isn't someone who operates or thinks by what's fair. She brought a knife to a fist fight and used it repeatedly, which is how it got dropped for Kenny to use himself in the first place. So, if anything, it's a Combat Pragmatist being Hoist by her own petard.
You mean he was looking for the fight from the first place that why he was waiting for her to put the weapon back and she clearly ask him to stay away from her and that prove jane's theory about him
And he fall for it
Listen maybe ken is a good person one from the best but his a bad person too and one from the worst that a fact
That just my opinion and you have the right to to do not like it
I only commented because I wanted to counterargue what Dan said—about Kenny waiting until the fight was fair. It is clear as day that he waited for an opportunity to attack, which is what almost everybody would do in that situation. My point was that he wasn't waiting for the situation to be fair, at all. And it's understandable, because no one would.
Besides, what does Jane have to do with anything?
I am not sure if this is an American idiom, but, taking it literally, Jane was carrying a weapon for protection in the apocalypse and this fight was not meant to take place.
Kenny started the fight by attempting to punch her twice and then pinning her against a window, just after she holstered her knife. Jane only had to put her weapon to use after Kenny attacked her. I am not sure what your point is.
Hey, I'm not saying Kenny didn't want to fight her(in fact, I didn't say whose fault the fight was at all in that post), but I am saying accusing Kenny of cheating isn't very pertinent when Jane had the advantage by default.
Also, maybe its a grammar/spelling fail on your part or a comprehension fail on mine, but I have no idea what the second to last sentence has to do with anyone.
Haha and when Clem got in between the both of them and was shoved out of the way by Kenny or Jane, i recall Jane charged towards him with the knife even though at that point Kenny didn't actually do anything to provoke her, but she still charged at him...yep that was her fighting fair lol. Jane fans seem to forget that.
By the way my above post was completely sarcastic but you obviously took it as serious. In my comment i was referring to the start of the fight after she put the knife away, not after the fight got out of hand. Again the comment was sarcastic in response to A-IBRAHIM0702
I had the impression that your comment had an ironic air more than being sarcastic in itself, which is why I took it seriously.
Anyway, the point I was getting to is that Kenny did not intend for the fight to be fair—he was waiting for an opportunity to attack. He was waiting for a time when it was convenient for him, not equal for the two of them. And why the hell would he do the latter when he was in a fight!
Jane is not involved in my point whatsoever, which is why I won't be discussing her here.
Yeah he was angry because he was led believe/assumed that she had killed the baby. He was in the wrong for that reason but she wanted him to think this which makes her equally wrong causing the whole eruption to occur in the first place despite her intentions of what she was trying to prove.
Every single person who would be living in an apocalyptic world does bad things to survive and i think we can all agree on that and that world has changed everyone and i would say pretty much every character has gone from good to bad in some way, even Clementine but so far to a lesser extent.
And i appreciate yours as well.
The teenager portrayal was spot-on, but I found her character to be rather annoying than complex and interesting. I never really liked The Last Of Us at all, to be honest.
My point is that accusing Kenny of cheating isn't very pertinent when Jane had the advantage by default. And even then, she sure doesn't care whether anything is "fair," "nice," or even "appropriate": She is a survivalist, which means she will do whatever she deems necessary.
She had the vantage by default? She sheathed her weapon and Kenny still attacked. She didn't have that knife or any weapon at all at that moment yet Kenny still attacked this skinnier and weaker woman. And do we really want to talk about who's being 'unfair' on this fight? The man attacked with no reason what-so-ever. Everything based on a fucking hunch and people still want to shed light on his actions?
But yeah, fuck Jane, the demon, for using her knife after being attacked twice by a stronger man. How dare she try to defend her life with the only thing she had!
Who is even accusing Kenny of cheating? I have only been saying that he wasn't looking for fairness in a fight, but nothing is wrong with that since anybody in a fight will look for their own advantage and not fairness. You are putting words in my mouth.
And why does Jane continue to be brought in?
K. Also, as much as I hate Jane, I should still point out that she lost her temper and chased after him with intent to do damage when he didn't just run away altogether. She went into this thing knowing he would try to attack and fight her in outrage so she could prove her point, but she also got mad and ended up going even further than even he consciously thought they would. Oh the irony!
And she was waiting for an opportunity to put on her theatre staged play for the world to see. But dear fellow let's not dwell on something that will no doubt become an argument as per usual if not already.
But technically she is involved as it is about the fight between them. I was sarcastically making the point that Kenny waited for her to put the knife away so they can fight fair, of COURSE you and i know the real reason why he waited till she put it away but it was sarcasm on my part but i guess i'm not like Everyone'sClemInTime with his so called amusing posts
Because Kensplainers cannot defend Kenny without involving Jane.
Who was your post directed at?
That is a good idea.
This has never been personal drama, Dan. I just consider most of his posts funny and I pointed it out to him. Whatever beef you and him have is entirely unrelated to his posts making me laugh.
This dicussion is becoming really complex...
If it was about how Jane doesn't care about a fair fight, it was BettertoSleep.
EDIT: Sorry, I meant to say A-IBRAHIM0702.
That works both ways A-IBRAHIM0702
You are doing nothing more than igniting an argument.
That actually works zero ways.
Yes they can. They could involve pretty much anyone Kenny doesn't like that if he looks like the good guy in comparison: Larry, The Stranger, Carver, Arvo, Jane, all fair game from a black and white viewpoint.
It's funny you fail to mention the part when Jane charged towards Kenny after Clem is shoved out of the way by either of them after she got between them but yeah of course no need to blame her for that because she's sooo in the right through the whole thing.
It's not like she was trying to kill him too (sarcasm).
(sigh) You're right. (Thats what happens when you engage in a stupid arguement at 1am)
But you can't defend Jane without bringing up Kenny as well so it DOES work both ways.
You are right about him igniting an argument though
It's funny, Dan. I wrote a comment responding to that in your other comment regarding that. I didn't post it because it would start another argument between us and I'd be jumping into your and Sleep's conversation. But since you asked so nicely,
Not after giving him a chance to stop that madness.
'Just go!'
'I ain't going nowhere.'
'Fine!'
Didn't do anything to provoke her? Are you serious? You expect Jane to forget that seconds ago he was attempting to end her life? But I guess that because Kenny stood still for mere 10 seconds that erases the previous provocations. If someone tried to murder you and you had a knife at hand I guess you'd just stay still, waiting for their next attack singing 'Oh Happy Day'?
Sorry for the excesive agressiveness. This is obviously a sensitive matter to us both.
EDIT responding to your edit:
I don't know. I seriously don't. But if she really was trying to end his life later in the fight you wont really see me demonizing her one bit for it because I'll call it self-defense. When a person is actively trying to kill you and you kill said person in order to save your life you won't be sent to jail because that's human and justified. Kenny attacked Jane several times. Jane warned him several times that she would fight back. 'I won't back down from you Kenny (...) I'm warning you.' and tried several times to appeal to his reason to stop what he was doing 'Don't you come near me you son of a bitch! [Sheathes weapon]' 'Just go!' yet he kept attacking her. She had no reason to believe that he was going to stop so she did what she could and tried to stike back.
EDIT2: And, Dan. I don't, by any means, demonize you for choosing Kenny. I get it, you weren't able to kill your old friend Kenny but you can't seriously think that he was anywhere near the right when he attacked Jane. There's no justification it's just immoral and wrong.
[whisper] It's better to sleep.
She had the advantage because, unlike Kenny, she was an expert survivalist, a Combat Pragmatist, is very agile and versatile, has a stoic and rational disposition, has a knife within arms reach, two eyes with which to see, and, most importantly, her sanity.
Kenny is someone whose claim to fame was "I fight better when I'm shitfaced!" And that was back when he had two eyes and his sanity. Using a knife in self-defense isn't wrong if its absolutely necessary to her survival--which is wasn't. If it wasn't for the fact that she only wanted him to get pissed enough to attack her just a little bit, Jane could've taken him unarmed easily despite the apparent difference in strength.