You mean he was looking for the fight from the first place that why he was waiting for her to put the weapon back and she clearly ask him t… moreo stay away from her and that prove jane's theory about him
And he fall for it
Listen maybe ken is a good person one from the best but his a bad person too and one from the worst that a fact
That just my opinion and you have the right to to do not like it
Not after giving him a chance to stop that madness.
'Just go!'
'I ain't going nowhere.'
'Fine
And that makes it all right to "willingly" attack him does it? No because we both know that they were both in the wrong.
Didn't do anything to provoke her? Are you serious? You expect Jane to forget that seconds ago he was attempting to end her life?
I said "in that moment" where Kenny was slightly backing away and she came towards him with the knife, after she pushed Clementine (in my game) out of the way and then charged at him. What she did there equally didn't make it right and just escalated the fight to an extremely personal level.
If someone tried to murder you and you had a knife at hand I guess you'd just stay still, waiting for their next attack singing 'Oh Happy Day'?
I would wait actually. I'd wait to see what he'd do next. I wouldn't charge at someone to actually try and kill them, that wouldn't be self defence in my eyes. If he had charged at me naturally I would defend myself. But Jane charged at him just because he wouldn't leave. As i said, people are quick to blame Kenny for attacking her, but she equally tried to kill him. And i still question her "it's time to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery" comment she said and that was BEFORE the fight got out of hand. A rather extreme thing to say if she wasn't intending to kill him either. Anyway i am not saying one person is right over the other. They are both in the wrong and i have said that a million times.
Sorry for the excesive agressiveness. This is obviously a sensitive matter to us both.
You can say that again. No matter what, this topic keeps on starting up from time to time. It's quite remarkable how heated it gets.
but you can't seriously think that he was anywhere near the right when he attacked Jane. There's no justification it's just immoral and wrong.
It saddens me that you and others assume that i think he was in the right just because i am a fan. I have said many times that he wasn't but NEITHER was Jane no matter how many fans of Jane want to defend her and you all know why she was in the wrong as well. I've explained many times.
It's funny, Dan. I wrote a comment responding to that in your other comment regarding that. I didn't post it because it would start another … moreargument between us and I'd be jumping into your and Sleep's conversation. But since you asked so nicely,
Haha and when Clem got in between the both of them and was shoved out of the way by Kenny or Jane, i recall Jane charged towards him with the knife
Not after giving him a chance to stop that madness.
'Just go!'
'I ain't going nowhere.'
'Fine!'
even though at that point Kenny didn't actually do anything to provoke her, but she still charged at him
Didn't do anything to provoke her? Are you serious? You expect Jane to forget that seconds ago he was attempting to end her life? But I guess that because Kenny stood still for mere 10 seconds that erases the previous provocations. If someone tried to murder you and you had a knife at hand I guess you'd just stay still, wa… [view original content]
You have my respect dan
But for real when i played the first walking dead game i am sure i did not do any bad thing to survive i kept my moralty and i keep that even in season two as clem the only bad thing that happen that the thing that i have no choice to stop it in the game or the story of the game was going in it like killing the stranger i didn't killed but even if i did kill him i will only for the self defense
And he was the only person i maybe going to kill
You right only about clem did bad thing to survive but she didn't do it to survive she killed the stranger to help lee that a no choice for her
But kenny killed people that even not evil or even a thread to himbut he was a thread to every one in the group and he was alays have the choice to do not do it but he doing it even if you said no
That why i think kenny one of the worst bad people and yeah people do bad things but they not always screwing up
I playing the game as a leader not like a friend or a family guy and as a leader every one in the group is importent to me and i can't have any thread in my group that the same thing rick did he killed shane cuz he lost what mean to be a human and he start to became a killer with the same excuse like kenny for the people who care about and for surviving
He end up with a knife in his throat
And if rick was in the game i am not going to get surprised if he did the same thing to kenny
You mean he was looking for the fight from the first place that why he was waiting for her to put the weapon back
Yeah he was angry … morebecause he was led believe/assumed that she had killed the baby. He was in the wrong for that reason but she wanted him to think this which makes her equally wrong causing the whole eruption to occur in the first place despite her intentions of what she was trying to prove.
Listen maybe ken is a good person one from the best but his a bad person too and one from the worst that a fact
Every single person who would be living in an apocalyptic world does bad things to survive and i think we can all agree on that and that world has changed everyone and i would say pretty much every character has gone from good to bad in some way, even Clementine but so far to a lesser extent.
That just my opinion and you have the right to to do not like it
And i appreciate yours as well.
And the little moment at the end you speak of did not happen in mine so a big fuck you to the other ending as far as my opinion goes. I'm glad the ending i had gave me the same feels as season 1.
But for real when i played the first walking dead game i am sure i did not do any bad thing to survive i kept my moralty
Our choices are determinant though so the bad things Lee can do can actually happen if the player wishes it. It is good you kept your morality though. I suppose my comment was more for characters we had no control over such as Lilly or Kenny.
But kenny killed people that even not evil or even a thread to him
Kenny killed Larry who he believed was dead and saw as a threat who could turn and kill everyone. You may see that as Kenny being "evil" but I don't because he didn't like doing what he did but felt it was necessary for the safety of himself and everyone else trapped in the meat locker. To cut a long story short, everyone that Kenny has killed (and i don't count Jane as she is determinant) has always been someone who HAS been a threat to him. He has never killed without a reason and you have to remember that. Killing is bad but everyone is forced to in order to survive in that world.
he was a thread to every one in the group and he was alays have the choice to do not do it but he doing it even if you said no
Ok that's your opinion but I disagree with you. Being an asshole and refusing to listen to people's opinions doesn't strike me as him being a threat as an example, more so an inconvenience. But hey, no one seemed to want to part ways from him when there were plenty of times they could have. That goes for both seasons. If he was deemed so much a threat they would have left sooner, not just when Bonnie and Mike decided to take off.
The thing is with Kenny, he tells you exactly what he thinks of you and if he doesn't like your opinion. It makes him look like an asshole but you know what? You cannot get more honest than that. I guess he's an honest asshole and it's a shame there aren't more people who speak their minds instead of keeping things to themselves.
the same thing rick did he killed shane cuz he lost what mean to be a human and he start to became a killer with the same excuse like kenny
Except that Shane didn't have a conscience when he let Otis die and his killing of Randall and his plan to kill Rick. Kenny on the other hand has shown to have a conscience about the bad things he had done including his regret of feeling responsible for Shawn's death for example. Also, Kenny has never pre-planned to kill anyone like Shane did.
Anyway we all have our own opinions, i've said all this other people before. I respect what you have said though.
You have my respect dan
But for real when i played the first walking dead game i am sure i did not do any bad thing to survive i kept my m… moreoralty and i keep that even in season two as clem the only bad thing that happen that the thing that i have no choice to stop it in the game or the story of the game was going in it like killing the stranger i didn't killed but even if i did kill him i will only for the self defense
And he was the only person i maybe going to kill
You right only about clem did bad thing to survive but she didn't do it to survive she killed the stranger to help lee that a no choice for her
But kenny killed people that even not evil or even a thread to himbut he was a thread to every one in the group and he was alays have the choice to do not do it but he doing it even if you said no
That why i think kenny one of the worst bad people and yeah people do bad things but they not always screwing up
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sigh such a shame that your positive outlook is also a dark negative view. Not because it's to do with Kenny dying in your game but because it's you seem to like seeing the death of someone (i'd say the same if it was about anyone else btw, even Caver). I just worry that you're like this in real life about people you hate. Hope not anyway
Killing people for just maybe its not an excuse even if larrys chance of live was 1% it worthy trying
Why you didnt count jane kenny try to kill her and whatever it was the player choice by shooting kenny or looking a way trying to kill jane was kenny choice he want to kill her that count as a Premeditated
Every one in the group did see kenny as a thread what i can do point a gun to every one and say YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES ARE WRONG People can not agree on some thing wrong
Killing people not kenny's only mistake he did a lot of mistakes i can hardly count
And i don't see kenny personalty as an honesty i see her as some selfsh with some Rudeness in speech
But for real when i played the first walking dead game i am sure i did not do any bad thing to survive i kept my moralty
Our choices… more are determinant though so the bad things Lee can do can actually happen if the player wishes it. It is good you kept your morality though. I suppose my comment was more for characters we had no control over such as Lilly or Kenny.
But kenny killed people that even not evil or even a thread to him
Kenny killed Larry who he believed was dead and saw as a threat who could turn and kill everyone. You may see that as Kenny being "evil" but I don't because he didn't like doing what he did but felt it was necessary for the safety of himself and everyone else trapped in the meat locker. To cut a long story short, everyone that Kenny has killed (and i don't count Jane as she is determinant) has always been someone who HAS been a threat to him. He has never killed without a reason and you have to rem… [view original content]
sigh such a shame that your positive outlook is also a dark negative view. Not because it's to do with Kenny dying in your game but because … moreit's you seem to like seeing the death of someone (i'd say the same if it was about anyone else btw, even Caver). I just worry that you're like this in real life about people you hate. Hope not anyway
Killing people for just maybe its not an excuse even if larrys chance of live was 1% it worthy trying
No i disagree. If there was even the smallest chance he was dead and about to become a walker i would not take the risk and I'm sorry i will never change that opinion. I would not want to put myself at risk by trying to save someone who could suddenly kill me if for example I was giving him mouth to mouth. I don't want to sound heartless but your own life is more important than others. Also this is Larry we're talking about, a guy who punched Lee and left him to die in the drugstore remember? If Lee had the heart attack, Larry wouldn't have helped him.
Why you didnt count jane kenny try to kill her and whatever it was the player choice by shooting kenny or looking a way trying to kill jane was kenny choice he want to kill her that count as a Premeditated
I didn't count Jane because it was the only death that Kenny can commit which is determinant.
Sorry but no, premeditated murder is when you plan to murder someone beforehand, Kenny did not "plan" to kill Jane beforehand at all. Murdering Jane wouldn't have ever crossed his mind but when he discovered about AJ and his assumption that she had killed the baby, he let his anger take over and the fight got out of hand to the point "both" of them tried to kill each other.
Every one in the group did see kenny as a thread what i can do point a gun to every one and say YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES ARE WRONG People can not agree on some thing wrong. Killing people not kenny's only mistake he did a lot of mistakes i can hardly count
Please forgive me as i struggled to understand your English on this part. But i'll try to understand. Are you saying Kenny pointed a gun at the group? Because he has never pulled a gun on the people he was with. I'll just refer to what I said before. If people saw him as a threat then no one was stopping them leaving Kenny behind but they didn't (and i'm referring to before the Mike/Bonnie betrayal scene).
In regards to your comment Killing people not kenny's only mistake he did a lot of mistakes i can hardly count well we all know this, i certainly don't deny that but then I could say the same thing about Ben or Lilly and even Clementine, all who also made mistakes that put the group in danger. Kenny is not to be solely blamed.
And i don't see kenny personalty as an honesty i see her as some selfsh with some Rudeness in speech
And that's the problem, you don't see it but i do. The fact is that he IS honest. Tell me when Kenny has ever lied about something to anyone? He hasn't. Like I said, his honesty is the fact that he tells you to your face everything that he thinks about a person or situation and when he disagrees with you, his selfish/rude attitude comes across as horrible as seen by many players of the game but at the same time, it is him showing you that he's not afraid to tell you what he thinks. That is honesty and not enough people speak their minds quite frankly. Feel free to disagree but that is Kenny all over in a nutshell. An honest asshole.
I'm off to sleep anyway, hope you appreciate my views. Talk later perhaps
Killing people for just maybe its not an excuse even if larrys chance of live was 1% it worthy trying Why you didnt count jane kenny try to … morekill her and whatever it was the player choice by shooting kenny or looking a way trying to kill jane was kenny choice he want to kill her that count as a Premeditated Every one in the group did see kenny as a thread what i can do point a gun to every one and say YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES ARE WRONG People can not agree on some thing wrong Killing people not kenny's only mistake he did a lot of mistakes i can hardly count
And i don't see kenny personalty as an honesty i see her as some selfsh with some Rudeness in speech
Not because it's to do with Kenny dying in your game but because it's you seem to like seeing the death of someone (i'd say the same if it was about anyone else btw, even Caver
basically you enjoy seeing the death of a person which in itself is dark so yes i disagree with it and hope you don't enjoy seeing or hearing about a citizen on the news in your country being murdered for example. If you see my point.
I actually said the dark negative view is
Not because it's to do with Kenny dying in your game but because it's you seem to like seein… moreg the death of someone (i'd say the same if it was about anyone else btw, even Caver
basically you enjoy seeing the death of a person which in itself is dark so yes i disagree with it and hope you don't enjoy seeing or hearing about a citizen on the news in your country being murdered for example. If you see my point.
Clem: Kenny... a guy kiddnaped me and... Kenny: I know, Clem, but I didn't go to save you because Lee was too stupid to apreciate the act of killing a poor innocent boy who did a mistake. Besides, Boat was more important. Clem: Fuck this Shit, I should have chosen the Alone Ending.
Okay you said even if people life in thread i can't take the risk that bring duck in the drug store their was a chance that he can be a thread because no one in the first play throug can be sure he wasn't bit only by telling i toke my chances a for duck and helpd kenny you can't say to me that you didn't too duck in the druge store was count as a thread too why kenny didn't put that in his head in larry's stuation cuz its not someone he care about and duck he is his son in the drug store kenny was ready to take the risk and even in the train when duck was realy bit he was ready to do it to put every one in danger for his son but when it come to others he be the first one looking for safety with out thinking that people have someone to care about too you mabe say larry and duck Position not the same yes it is the samelarry was going to make whenthe people turn thier eye become white just after the turning and when larry moved befor his head get smash a lot said he was going to turn but if stopthe video just in that place before the salt lick fall on his hid when he moved and looked to his eye you can see his eyes didn't turn white that mean (HIS ALIVE)
(What i can do point a gun to every one) i thingk my line was clear her i didn't said kenny point the gun on the group i said what if the all people of the group saw kenny as threat and i didn't like that what i do grab a gun and point it on them and say YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES ARE WRONG KENNY IS NOT A THREAD
Every one did see him as thread and i am a man of the group if the group agree on some thing i am with it cuz in the group not every one can act like he like every one he should try to understand the other and try to be good to them as rick group now from the day that shane died and i think the group start working better
Kenny trys to kill jane any way that count as Attempted murder and maybe murder if the player did look away
Kenny rudenss and slefsh its clear a lot of time when he was trying to make me drop ben becasue he cus his family death and what killing him not going to bring him back
(Hurry the fuck up lee) in the salt lick why you don't come get us out of that place kenny your the one who killed a person to for that
Also you said clem did mistakes yes she did but how in the hell you gonna blame her shis a kid you can't blame ben his a teenager and a kid too you can blame lilly shis an adult but if we look from another way kenny his cuz of her mistake killing carly was never going to happing if some one didn't screw up in the saltlick
Killing people for just maybe its not an excuse even if larrys chance of live was 1% it worthy trying
No i disagree. If there was ev… moreen the smallest chance he was dead and about to become a walker i would not take the risk and I'm sorry i will never change that opinion. I would not want to put myself at risk by trying to save someone who could suddenly kill me if for example I was giving him mouth to mouth. I don't want to sound heartless but your own life is more important than others. Also this is Larry we're talking about, a guy who punched Lee and left him to die in the drugstore remember? If Lee had the heart attack, Larry wouldn't have helped him.
Why you didnt count jane kenny try to kill her and whatever it was the player choice by shooting kenny or looking a way trying to kill jane was kenny choice he want to kill her that count as a Premeditated
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Kenny's reaction:
"I know, Clem. I know all about the stranger. You see, that psycho kidnapped me too. He locked me in same hotel room, behind the door you and Lee didn't open."
It's just an adjoined room that the stranger was hiding in so he could surprise Lee, hence why he says "I got us adjoining rooms"
There's nothing inside it. In fact, it isn't even modeled.
It's just an adjoined room that the stranger was hiding in so he could surprise Lee, hence why he says "I got us adjoining rooms"
There's nothing inside it. In fact, it isn't even modeled.
Okay you said even if people life in thread i can't take the risk that bring duck in the drug store their was a chance that he can be a thread because no one in the first play throug can be sure he wasn't bit only by telling i toke my chances a for duck and helpd kenny you can't say to me that you didn't too duck in the druge store was count as a thread too why kenny didn't put that in his head in larry's stuation cuz its not someone he care about and duck he is his son in the drug store kenny was ready to take the risk
Right first of all, no one knew Duck was or wasn't bitten. Yes there was always the chance he was a threat but the situation is very different to the meat locker and i will explain this in 2 sections:
The Drugstore - Duck Situation
Larry went in all guns blazing in wanting to throw Duck out without even giving Kat a chance to clean her son up. If the worst had come to it they would be able to deal with Duck easier given his size and there was more people who could help deal with it such as Lee, Glenn, Carley, Lilly and Larry. Also we must not forget that they had a back entrance that they could all escape from or get rid of him through if he had turned. When you are bitten you seemingly die after several hours or a day, it is unclear how long they last so this whole event was not actual life and death situation in terms of a sudden quick decision making if that makes sense? As they all had time to deal with Duck as i mentioned above.
The Meat Locker - Larry Situation
Larry on the other hand would be very difficult to deal with if he had turned compared to Duck and there would have only been 2 grown men, Lee and Kenny who would have had the unfortunate responsibility to deal with him if he'd become dangerous. Compared to the drugstore, they were all trapped in that meat locker, there was no back door they could all push Larry out of once he'd possibly turned and that is the difference. With Larry possibly dying, this WAS a life and death situation given the extremely likely chance he was going to turn immediately as opposed to Duck which they would have had time to deal with him if he had been bitten which as we know he wasn't.
And yes of course Kenny wouldn't kill his own son if Duck was the immediate threat. Are you saying you could do that? But again you are very quick to blame Kenny for his actions without thinking the reasons behind it instead of just pointing out that he shouldn't have done it because it's "wrong". Put yourself in that meat locker, you would be shitting bricks in fear if you could possibly die by Larry. You don't feel that because we are all sat at a computer playing a game but try understanding it from a real life view. Kenny was scared and hastily did something for what he believed was keeping the group safe from Larry. It wasn't a great thing he did, i don't support the way he did it as i would have done it differently and I didn't like that scene at all but as i have said to many others, i look at why he did what he did to Larry and I don't go holding a grudge over it like a lot of people.
And Larry didn't have his eyes open as you had stated so i'm sorry you are wrong there. The whole Larry death angle was solely created so it was ambiguous as to whether we truly knew if he was dead or alive. The fact is, he could have still been alive or he could have been dead. The twitch he made me giving him CPR only happens after the 4th compression and it is not enough evidence for me to suggest he was alive because there was also a chance he had already begun to reanimate (and please to anyone else reading this, i don't want to get into another debate about the reanimating part i mentioned because i have said my piece on this many times!). The point is Mak, we will never know for certain and that is a fact.
I won't change my opinion on this so just informing you in advance that if you are trying to change my view then don't waste your time lol.
even in the train when duck was realy bit he was ready to do it to put every one in danger for his son but when it come to others he be the first one looking for safety with out thinking that people have someone to care about too
Once again you don't look at things from another view. Picture this, your son is dying, deep down you know that and you would be very upset. You have to understand that Kenny was very upset and wanted to believe it wasn't true. He was in denial and yes some people handle it better than others but he didn't. It doesn't make him a bad person though. Again it annoys me that you are solely blaming Kenny saying he was putting everyone in danger as i don't recall anyone else speaking up saying they had to deal with Duck except for Lee. Kenny needs someone like Lee to make him see reason, he needs pushing before he actually thinks and does something. Lee is someone Kenny needed in season 2 and i think he struggled with that. He did say "i wish Lee was here". I can guarantee you that if Lee was still around, Kenny wouldn't have been as bad as he was.
i thingk my line was clear her
Well sorry but to me it wasn't but ok then.
Every one did see him as thread
Then why didn't they leave sooner? Why didn't they man up and tell him that "you are a threat to us Kenny"? Like i said, i disagree with you. End of.
every one he should try to understan the other and try to brpe good to them as rick group now from the day that shane died and i think the group start working better
Being an asshole doesn't have to make you a threat. Look at Daryl in Season 1, he was an asshole and people didn't necessarily like him then but they didn't see him as a "threat". You forget that despite the way Kenny is in how he treats the group you don't appreciate what good he does for the group. At the motor inn, he gets the RV working for everyone who may want to go with him and his family, he does his fair share of hunting for the group, he made runs into Macon to get supplies from the drugstore. In Season 2, he gets a truck working for the group who gave him no thanks for it, he stayed with the group and tried to help them even if he did come across an asshole but so what? Not everyone is going to be a sweet ass kisser.
Kenny trys to kill jane any way that count as Attempted murder
And yet you fail to acknowledge that Jane was also trying to kill him once the fight escalated and that if she hadn't even done what she did to make Kenny angry then he wouldn't have even tried to murder her. What i was correcting you on was you saying it was premeditated murder in which it certainly wasn't. I'm not going to argue about this with you anymore before it gets out of hand.
Kenny rudenss and slefsh its clear a lot of time when he was trying to make me drop ben becasue he cus his family death and what killing him not going to bring him back
Ben had nearly got everyone killed in Crawford and it wasn't the first time he put them in danger. Kenny was furious with Ben after finding out that he was giving the bandits supplied which ended up causing Duck to be bitten and Katjaa to commit suicide so he was naturally going to want to leave Ben behind. Listen, I didn't agree with him nor did i like how he treated Ben and i didn't drop him but as i said before, look at it from Kenny's view, how would you feel? You'd hate Ben. And besides, although his treatment of Ben was terrible, by the end of season 1, Kenny did the right thing, he seemingly forgave Ben and tried to save him after he fell from the balcony. Kenny made sure Ben didn't feel anymore pain than he had to when the walkers would have eaten him alive.
(Hurry the fuck up lee) in the salt lick why you don't come get us out of that place kenny your the one who killed a person to for that
And if you played the game how i did, Kenny says "you got it?" when Lee was opening the vent. What do you expect Kenny to do? Have both men unscrew the vent? This is just a pathetic picky thing to say. Kenny helped him take off the vent after he unscrewed it so you pointing out that he said "hurry the fuck up Lee" is just you finding something negative to say quite frankly. Sorry but it is.
kenny his cuz of her mistake killing carly was never going to happing if some one didn't screw up in the saltlick
Haha oh that is so TYPICAL of a Kenny hater to say that! If you honestly blame Kenny for Carley's death then i'm sorry i am done speaking with you. I can gladly accept opinions but not that. Let me tell you why that opinion is bullshit.
First of all you do not know Carley wouldn't have died if things didn't happen in the meat locker, that is bullshit right there. Fact is, it would have still happened. Lilly kills Carley because she said something that obviously really upset her calling her a scared little girl, to get the fuck over it and take a page from Lee's book and try helping somebody for once. Her actions were also brought on about everything that happened at the motor inn and with the supplies going missing, she started to have trust issues with the group. Some people have even had theories that Lilly didn't like Carley because she was becoming romantically involved with Lee and people believed that Lilly had feelings for Lee, the way she gave Carley evil looks made it seem that way but that is just a theory but anyway, she suspected Carley and Ben claiming she saw them together being so eager to see what supplies they brought back. She mostly accused Ben saying she never trusted him.!How does her paranoia of that have anything to do with Kenny's actions? It doesn't. How do we know Lilly didn't have paranoia beforehand? There was never an incident that could make her paranoid for us to judge her but she could have been paranoid before. We'll never know.
After Lilly shoots Carley, she says Lee killed before and i forgave him, Kenny killed before and i'll forgive him. If you kept Lilly in the RV and sided with Kenny in the meat locker she says part of me understands why you did what you did. My point in saying all this is that Lilly wouldn't say any of that if she wasn't in her right mind and it goes to show she was willing to forgive Kenny/Lee for what happened, she didn't even seem to detest Kenny that much which was very surprising. She was asking for Kenny's opinion on who to blame for the missing supplies which means she obviously didn't think he was to blame when she could have easily accused him but she didn't. They were obviously on speaking terms in some way. She was obviously grieving but her actions are her own, she knew what she was doing when she killed Carley and you know what? She was right in accusing Ben because he was the one who stole the supplies. You should be blaming Ben for any insecurities Lilly had.
I've just worked a full shift at work and spent an hour typing this since getting home. I'm very tired and am not willing to argue with you further. Please just accept my opinion and I will with yours. Let's leave it at that Mak.
Okay you said even if people life in thread i can't take the risk that bring duck in the drug store their was a chance that he can be a thre… moread because no one in the first play throug can be sure he wasn't bit only by telling i toke my chances a for duck and helpd kenny you can't say to me that you didn't too duck in the druge store was count as a thread too why kenny didn't put that in his head in larry's stuation cuz its not someone he care about and duck he is his son in the drug store kenny was ready to take the risk and even in the train when duck was realy bit he was ready to do it to put every one in danger for his son but when it come to others he be the first one looking for safety with out thinking that people have someone to care about too you mabe say larry and duck Position not the same yes it is the samelarry was going to make whenthe people turn thier eye become white just after the turning and when larry moved befor his head g… [view original content]
No1
i am not hear to change your view
No 2
You said i giveing reason to blame kenny those not reasons those facts
No3
Your the one who said i can't take any thread even if the proporation thread is low Unless you contradict yourself and duck was a thread as larry than its the same thing you said the people can handel duck well if its true why they couldn't in the train when the player did not stop the train walker duck killed every one even lee evert the most badass character in all the game that even wors cuz every one in the group was in danger but in the salt lick was only 4 people
No4
I didn't say that kenny should kill his son and i am not going to kill my son if i did have one i was pointing to that kenny should know like he have a son he close to him lilly have a father his close to her so he should care about they others familys too his family not the only one in the group like he love his famliy and do what he can to protect he should know that people have their own famliys too
BUT NO THE OTHER PEOPLR FAMLIYS OUR NOTHING TO KENNY LIKE HIS THE ONLY ONE HAVE A FAMLY
No5
i talk to you with respect i didn't say you opinions are bullshit but you did and you trying to cut off and leave and that what prove your Weakness in the discussions
No6
you still blaming ben and again he is a kid you cant blame a kid for that if we do blame kids than we start with clem than cuz shes cuzed lee death isn't she
No8
The people did leave mike bonnie in season two and they said to him its your fault and you dam will know it isaid to kenny after the dary he distroyed the group but he didn't leave or and he had an rv but he didn't leave why cuz he knew that the Separation is a risk in another word kenny didn't leave the group cuz he need the group but he always make the group in disaster
No9
daryl was a an asshol in season one but he didn't screw up or was a thread to the group and he changed and become more understaning to the people around him but kenny always screwing up always acting like an asshole he didn't even change so your example is weak bro
No10
Jane ask kenny very clearly (don't you come neare me) she put the kife back but hello kenny is atacking you said that in some priveous comment that he maybe was waiting for her to put the weapon back so he can get a fair fight frome your comment its so clear that he was want to fight and he started the fight
No11
I didn't say kenny his the one who killed carly but he was the reason that lilly lost it and she become like one a bad shaip and she killed carly and guss what (leave her to the walkers shes a killer) kenny your the last one who should talk about killing people
No12
(Mr i ain't a boy
Sorry your a MAAAN) that what called rudeness (shut up doc this ain't your call) that a pure rudeness (i don't what know what you say but i know is a bullshit) calling the other people talking a bullshit its the ultimate rudeness bull shit coz kenny and you both of you proved that have a weak point that you can't talking to the people without rudeness and that a proved in your last comment bro
Well you said you done with me i hope that cuz i am not ready to talk to a rude person he disresepct the other people comment and prove that he is a weak cant talk with out been rude
PEACE
Okay you said even if people life in thread i can't take the risk that bring duck in the drug store their was a chance that he can be a thre… moread because no one in the first play throug can be sure he wasn't bit only by telling i toke my chances a for duck and helpd kenny you can't say to me that you didn't too duck in the druge store was count as a thread too why kenny didn't put that in his head in larry's stuation cuz its not someone he care about and duck he is his son in the drug store kenny was ready to take the risk
Right first of all, no one knew Duck was or wasn't bitten. Yes there was always the chance he was a threat but the situation is very different to the meat locker and i will explain this in 2 sections:
The Drugstore - Duck Situation
Larry went in all guns blazing in wanting to throw Duck out without even giving Kat a chance to clean her son up. If the worst had come to it they would be able to deal with Duck easie… [view original content]
No1
i am not hear to change your view
No 2
You said i giveing reason to blame kenny those not reasons those facts
No3
Your the one who… more said i can't take any thread even if the proporation thread is low Unless you contradict yourself and duck was a thread as larry than its the same thing you said the people can handel duck well if its true why they couldn't in the train when the player did not stop the train walker duck killed every one even lee evert the most badass character in all the game that even wors cuz every one in the group was in danger but in the salt lick was only 4 people
No4
I didn't say that kenny should kill his son and i am not going to kill my son if i did have one i was pointing to that kenny should know like he have a son he close to him lilly have a father his close to her so he should care about they others familys too his family not the only one in the group like he love his famliy and do what he can to protect … [view original content]
oh but you are or else you wouldn't keep pointing out all negatives from Kenny and telling/implying that i am wrong when an opinion is never wrong. Guess what? There are positives too but you choose to ignore that.
No 2 You said i giveing reason to blame kenny those not reasons those facts
My point is, you are finding faults to point out in his character but you don't look at his positives. It's what typical haters do.
But it's fine, that's how you saw his character but i did not hold a grudge against him like you do.
No3 Your the one who said i can't take any thread even if the proporation thread is low Unless you contradict yourself and duck was a thread as larry than its the same thing you said the people can handel duck well if its true why they couldn't in the train when the player did not stop the train walker duck killed every one even lee evert the most badass character in all the game that even wors cuz every one in the group was in danger but in the salt lick was only 4 people
Haha walker Duck is non canon (doesn't officially happen in the game), i always found that a little boy walker killing, Clem, Katjaa, Ben, Chuck AND Lee was the most unrealistic thing ever because in reality that would not happen and i am glad it wasn't officially part of the game. The fact is they WOULD handle Duck. You honestly think 4 or 5 people couldn't have thrown walker Duck off the train? Get real man! They would do. The whole point of the non canon walker Duck scene was to show that you failed in the scene in talking Kenny down. I stick by what I said, the Duck/Larry situation is different and i explained why above. That is my opinion.
No4 I didn't say that kenny should kill his son and i am not going to kill my son if i did have one i was pointing to that kenny should know like he have a son he close to him lilly have a father his close to her so he should care about they others familys too his family not the only one in the group like he love his famliy and do what he can to protect he should know that people have their own famliys too
BUT NO THE OTHER PEOPLR FAMLIYS OUR NOTHING TO KENNY LIKE HIS THE ONLY ONE HAVE A FAMLY
And if you paid attention to the game or witnessed what i did in my game, you would have seen the scene where Kenny shows great remorse for Shawn Greene's death when talking to Lee on the train. He deeply regretted Hershel losing his son because of what happened and was being punished now that Duck was dying. I'd say that is showing care wouldn't you? He didn't kill Larry because he didn't "care" about other families or whatever you are trying to say. I told you he did it because he was not only scared but doing it to protect everyone because of chance Larry could have turned and killed all of them and would have been very difficult to deal with. He said "I didn't like doing what i did. I'm the guy who couldn't bear to see the family dog put down". Honestly dude, you think Kenny is heartless but he really isn't. An example would be how he put the children first in getting food at the motor inn, he showed care and regret what happened to Alvin and Rebecca and wishes they were here to look after their son AJ. He is a guy with flaws and irrational a number of times. He is not perfect but neither is anyone else and i don't agree with everything he does. But there is more to him than the person you are trying to paint the picture of. Try looking at it from another view and before you say it, i have heard all the negatives about him before not just from you but it's not going to change my view.
No5 i talk to you with respect i didn't say you opinions are bullshit but you did and you trying to cut off and leave and that what prove your Weakness in the discussions
When you feel strongly against an opinion it is very hard to accept. I apologise for offending you but i am highly against that opinion of you blaming Kenny for Carley's death. And oh no trust me on this. I'm not going to leave for "weakness", i suggested I would be done speaking to you because i know how this discussion would get. Very heated. Proving my weakness? Now look who isn't showing respect lol. You'll never win an argument with me man! But ok then if you want to carry it on fine.
No6 you still blaming ben and again he is a kid you cant blame a kid for that if we do blame kids than we start with clem than cuz shes cuzed lee death isn't she
But i "can" blame Ben if i want to. Being a kid doesn't dismiss that what happened in Crawford was his fault. After all Lee says Ben is young and stupid and it's true. Hey, i'm one of the few who actually likes Ben, he wasn't a bad kid but he made a lot of mistakes just as Kenny has done. And Lee, Clem, Lilly etc. Everyone makes them, it's human nature. And yeah man, like it or not, Clem was indirectly the reason Lee got bitten, i can and will blame her for that but the difference is I don't hold it against her. I still feel sympathy for her. Same as Ben, I didn't hold a grudge against him for messing up at the motor inn or when he left Clem to die on the street or his screw up in Crawford and I didn't drop him. I am not one to do that. But you seem to never forgive anything Kenny has ever done so that is where our views differ.
No8 The people did leave mike bonnie in season two and they said to him its your fault and you dam will know it
Yes we know that but what about before the Arvo incident? You basically suggested he was a threat long before that. I was also including the group from Season 1 as well, why didn't they leave if they saw him as a threat?
he didn't leave or and he had an rv but he didn't leave why cuz he knew that the Separation is a risk in another word kenny didn't leave the group cuz he need the group but he always make the group in disaster
And that works both ways. Why didn't everyone else leave the group once Kenny had the rv working in season 1? Because they needed to all stay as a group too as separation was a risk. I think Kenny was ready to leave with his family by episode 3 anyway, he just didn't get chance to leave with them as the motor inn got raided by the bandits. And it's your opinion that he makes the group a disaster. I do not think so. If that's the case then Lilly makes it a disaster too because she continues to argue back with Kenny. So both of them are a disaster right? Or are you going to deny that?
No9 daryl was a an asshol in season one but he didn't screw up or was a thread to the group kenny always screwing up always acting like an asshole he didn't even change so your example is weak bro
So when he was trying to attack Rick when they first met and acting very hostile towards the group on numerous occasions, that's not threatening to you no?? You are calling my example weak? Look who's being disrespectful now "bro" but thanks for the insult lol. I am smart enough to look at Kenny's so called screwing up, "asshole" attitude from another perspective instead of the one dimensional view which is "waaaa Kenny hurt my feelings, he's mean to me blah blah". Learn to not hold grudges, try to look at why he's being an asshole instead of assuming that it's because he's naturally horrible because he isn't. There is always a reason why he acts like that and it's not for no reason like the way Larry was horrible to everyone all the time. At least with Kenny there were times you could speak in a civil manner with him unlike Larry.
No10 Jane ask kenny very clearly (don't you come neare me) she put the kife back but hello kenny is atacking you said that in some priveous comment that he maybe was waiting for her to put the weapon back so he can get a fair fight frome your comment its so clear that he was want to fight and he started the fight
You also misread my comment as serious because i was being sarcastic about that. Of course he didn't want a fair fight, we know why he waited to put the knife back lol, i made the joke about it but people thought i was serious. Kenny started the fight but Jane "caused" the fight to happen in the first place by making Kenny angry and thinking the baby was dead. And please for the love of god, let's not get into another Jane/Kenny argument. I really tire of saying the same thing over and over.
No11 I didn't say kenny his the one who killed carly but he was the reason that lilly lost it and she become like one a bad shaip and she killed carly
And I didn't say that you said "Kenny killed Carley", i said you were blaming Kenny for her death which is different. The same could be said for the other scenario shen she killed Doug. She killed him by accident but she still did what she did and was trying to kill Ben.
And no, once again that is wrong that you have said. He was not to blame for her death for the reasons i stated above. As you have missed them or chose to ignore them i'll paste it all again here more clearly:
Lilly kills Carley because she said something that obviously really upset her calling her a scared little girl, to get the fuck over it and take a page from Lee's book and try helping somebody for once. Her actions were also brought on about everything that happened at the motor inn and with the supplies going missing, she started to have trust issues with the group. Some people have even had theories that Lilly didn't like Carley because she was becoming romantically involved with Lee and people believed that Lilly had feelings for Lee, the way she gave Carley evil looks made it seem that way but that is just a theory but anyway, she suspected Carley and Ben claiming she saw them together being so eager to see what supplies they brought back. She mostly accused Ben saying she never trusted him. How does her paranoia of that have anything to do with Kenny's actions? It doesn't. How do we know Lilly didn't have paranoia beforehand? There was never an incident that could make her paranoid for us to judge her but she could have been paranoid before. We'll never know.
After Lilly shoots Carley, she says Lee killed before and i forgave him, Kenny killed before and i'll forgive him. If you kept Lilly in the RV and sided with Kenny in the meat locker she says part of me understands why you did what you did. My point in saying all this is that Lilly wouldn't say any of that if she wasn't in her right mind and it goes to show she was willing to forgive Kenny/Lee for what happened, she didn't even seem to detest Kenny that much which was very surprising. She was asking for Kenny's opinion on who to blame for the missing supplies which means she obviously didn't think he was to blame when she could have easily accused him but she didn't. They were obviously on speaking terms in some way. She was obviously grieving but her actions are her own, she knew what she was doing when she killed Carley and you know what? She was right in accusing Ben because he was the one who stole the supplies. You should be blaming Ben for any insecurities Lilly had.
It is just utter trash what you said and I'm sorry i do not want to offend you further but it annoys me and I will not accept that opinion. I just can't.
Something to add to what i said, Lilly tells Lee "I'm a mess right now" which is obviously referring to grief, followed by saying "but i'm not stupid" when talking about the missing supplies. It proves that she wasn't being paranoid because she was actually right that they had been going missing, and she accused Carley and Ben for it which is a perfectly sane thing to do because she had her suspicions. She stated why she accused them. I mentioned that above as well but if you want the original line Lilly said to Carley/Ben then here it is more or less:
"I've had my suspicions, i've seen you 2!together. You were so eager to see what supplies we brought in"
Lilly mostly blamed Ben but shot Carley because she upset her, that is all there is to it as I stated above. Kenny had absolutely nothing to do with Lilly's actions. If you want to believe that then fine but on this occasion im sorry but you are wrong. I just won't accept it because I feel it's just another Kenny hater trying to find another negative thing about Kenny. It's ridiculous.
and guss what (leave her to the walkers shes a killer) kenny your the last one who should talk about killing people
The difference is, Kenny didn't kill Larry in cold blood because he had a reason as to why he did it. The reason being right or wrong is not the point though. Lilly on the other hand shot Carley point blank due to an assumption and/or being offended by Carley's last words. So Kenny said "leave her for the walkers" because he didn't want the worry that she might decide to shoot him next or try to kill everyone else they were with. There is a difference. Hopefully you'll see reason and actually agree on that.
No12 (Mr i ain't a boy
Sorry your a MAAAN) that what called rudeness
Oh and what was it Nick said first? He said "SAY THAT AGAIN" in an angry tone which made Kenny respond with "stay out of this boy" I suppose you think Nick wasn't being rude then? Because he was as well so don't just predictably blame Kenny for it. Nick was asking for a rude response for getting involved in the conversation in the first place. Tensions were high at that point with everyone anyway.
shut up doc this ain't your call) that a pure rudeness
Agreed. That was rude. Oh well right. That's Kenny and that is how he is. You should know that by now.
i don't what know what you say but i know is a bullshit
I found that line very funny actually because it was deemed as a joke that Kenny didn't understand the word Carlos said which was capitulation but yes that was rude but again, that's Mr Asshole Kenny right? Lol
both of you proved that have a weak point that you can't talking to the people without rudeness and that a proved in your last comment bro
I called your opinion bullshit, but I wasn't being rude directly about you as a person. I never said, "hey Mak your an idiot for your opinion" did i? No. I criticised your opinion but not you so i find that insulting that you think i'm being insulting!! I think you and i need to learn to accept each others opinions.
Well you said you done with me i hope that cuz i am not ready to talk to a rude person he disresepct the other people comment and prove that he is a weak cant talk with out been rude
PEACE
Done speaking with you "on that topic" i should have added. I feel very strongly about it and the reason i said i'd be done speaking to you is if it was going to turn into a 2 month argument or something which I don't want. But i have to say that you are saying i am rude but you've just been very hypocritical by saying i'm "weak" and if that isn't a rude remark then what is? Plus by calling me weak is a personal insult as opposed to what i said which was calling your opinion bullshit. My opinion is that it was but it was not an insult aimed at you as a person. I've been a board member on here a lot longer than you have and everyone i have spoken to have been respectful and never called me weak or personally insulted me. I've had arguments with a lot of people but i'd like to think i've been respectful to them as people.
And finally i'm pretty sure you and i can have a civil conversation but it will most likely never involve Kenny because our opinions differ too much. But anyway if you aren't willing to accept my opinions then it's up to you if you want to end the discussion here. I've accepted most of what you said but I don't agree with it.
No1
i am not hear to change your view
No 2
You said i giveing reason to blame kenny those not reasons those facts
No3
Your the one who… more said i can't take any thread even if the proporation thread is low Unless you contradict yourself and duck was a thread as larry than its the same thing you said the people can handel duck well if its true why they couldn't in the train when the player did not stop the train walker duck killed every one even lee evert the most badass character in all the game that even wors cuz every one in the group was in danger but in the salt lick was only 4 people
No4
I didn't say that kenny should kill his son and i am not going to kill my son if i did have one i was pointing to that kenny should know like he have a son he close to him lilly have a father his close to her so he should care about they others familys too his family not the only one in the group like he love his famliy and do what he can to protect … [view original content]
From my first comment i said kenny is one of the good characters maybe the best characters but he is a bad character too one of the worst
The i already said that k3nny is a good person
And a lot of the game character agreed with that but they see him bad too becase of his misreading actions
My comments after that comment was to explain why i don't like kenny not why because he is bad and not to change your veiw if we keep up that for a year and i am ready to keep up for i years will never change are view point so if you was try to change my view point you should stop cuz my view not going to change and even you cuz your opinion is right and mine too
I didn't mean by weak that you can keep up the talk i meant by been a rude in talking and saying my opinion is bullshit is a disrespect and that kined of talking is always count as a weakness in talking no leaving is the weakness dis resepecting they other talkes is a weakness if you go back in my all comment with you you'll never fined me said a bad thing about your opinions or comments
_Kenny wasen't the only one who last people front of his eyes but he there is people lost their famliys too and beloved peoplebut they didn't act they way that kenny did lilly had her father as a close person to her kenny only think about the safety not what larry means to lilly but when it come to his son he tottly turnd up who didn't care about they others beloveds he didn't deserve that people care about him
When carver capterd the people in the lodge kenny was ready to keep shooting no matter who carver bring people out like alven but when it was sarita or clementine he stopt why
FUCK THEY OTHER AND THEIR BELOVED I CARE ONLY ABOUT WHAT I LIKE that a complate selfshness
Kenny regret when he did what he did when the regreat is usless and meanless if he think what going to happen to shown if he don't help him he wasn't going to reagrat if think about what think about alven he wasn't going to reagret every single time he look to aj face if think before he atack jane or try to kill her that what he going to do not going to bring aj back even if he is realy dead that wasn't going he wasn't going to say when i back to my mined i fined the knife in her chest
If he was thinking that was people own the wagin in the woods and ther is a people could own it and the could die with out it than stranger was going to go back and fined his supplise and and he was never heard about a people was around his wagin and maybe the sranger famliy stayed a life too you maybe say cuz the group need it the supplise even the stranger famliy need that supplise what make our group more importent then his family
You maybe say the group wasn't going to survive without it why lee and clem survived then kenny is a monster he don't care about doing what right thing he care only he care about
If i keep talking about kenny bad actions i can't evaer stop cuz they endless
That just to prove that kenny is a bad person too and one of the worst not to prove he is not a good person or he is an evil
I know ken is a good person but he should chsnge his acting way or he will distroy every group he step in
You said you want the group to leave for your kenny are you listeningto what you saying mane how you ask the people to leave for one person i already said in my coment i am not making the group work just to make one person or your kenny happy
You want me to side againes the group and make thim do what your kenny like i am a leader not a friend or a famliy guy i do what is best for all the group and if the all most people in the group agree in something i side with it as long it is right
For me not mike and bonnie the one who should leave i like more if they said to him you are a thread to the group kenny and you should leave but from and i told kenny that he distroyed the group and his actions are a no welcome why he didn't just leave than why i did explain that before kenny know that is the ultimate risk then if he know that he need the group he should work like a member from it not like some one he is more importent he should think about his actions so he didn't regreat again and again and again i made sure in my play through that his not going todo it again
KENNY HIM SELEF AGREE ON THAT HE SAID TO CLEM YOU BETTER OFF ME KENNY SAID IWISH LEE WAS HER WHY CUZ HE KNEW THAT HE IS NOT A GROUP PERSON THAT WHY HE WAS COUNTING ON CLEM TO MAKE A CONACTION WITHTHE GROUP CUZ SHES LIKE LEE ALWAYS KNOW WHAT IS THE RIGHTWAY OF ACTING WITH PEOPLE
If keep blaming ben for his actons and his a kid why you don't blame kenny for his actions and he is an adult blaming a kid its so usless than lets start blaming clem for her actions that lets blame duck why he is so dumb i fucking hate every one who hate duck why the hate him cose his dumb cuz his anoying cuz he is usless he is a kid what you can wait more from a kid to be like and he is not useless heis the one who helped me to fined the supplise
If keep blaming ben i keep bringing jane too and make sure my friend i didn't bring her in here to start jane /kenny ww bring here to explain kenny the non acceptable action that he do with out thinking why he didn't listen when jane said i didn't kill him it was an accident why he didn't lesten when i said listen to her why he didnt think that by killing her he not going to bring aj back even if he is dead i didn't make that jane /kenny ww and that clear unless you want to turn it to a worled war my bro that a fact that kenny never think and he only act and his actoins are messd up a lot of times and he regreat only when the regreat its useless if a guy like that can't keep his shit togther and handel him self he coudent even protect his family and make them togther he even admit that he is the worst famliy guy ever how i can trust him to lead my group or even to be around me
AND THAT A FEW FROME A LOT OF REASONSE WAY KENNY IS A BAD CHARACTER AND ONE OF THE WORST
PEEEEAAAAACCCCCE
No1 i am not hear to change your view
oh but you are or else you wouldn't keep pointing out all negatives from Kenny and telling/imp… morelying that i am wrong when an opinion is never wrong. Guess what? There are positives too but you choose to ignore that.
No 2 You said i giveing reason to blame kenny those not reasons those facts
My point is, you are finding faults to point out in his character but you don't look at his positives. It's what typical haters do.
But it's fine, that's how you saw his character but i did not hold a grudge against him like you do.
No3 Your the one who said i can't take any thread even if the proporation thread is low Unless you contradict yourself and duck was a thread as larry than its the same thing you said the people can handel duck well if its true why they couldn't in the train when the player did not stop the train walker duck killed every one even lee evert the most badass characte… [view original content]
Then Telltale wouldn't be able to justify Kenny's determinant action to shirk off Lee and deny his plead to help save Clementine.
Cause I… more know had that been an option in season 2, Kenny would show guilt in being a huge coward and piece of shit for not trying to save her, at least in my playthrough.
Oh, who am I kidding. He'd probably be in some form in denial and say he was the one that saved her.
Finally someone pointed this shit out. When I saw the option of Clementine being able to kill Kenny, I thought back to Kenny not helping Clementine. In some way, Clementine unknowingly got her retribution against Kenny.
Then Telltale wouldn't be able to justify Kenny's determinant action to shirk off Lee and deny his plead to help save Clementine.
Cause I… more know had that been an option in season 2, Kenny would show guilt in being a huge coward and piece of shit for not trying to save her, at least in my playthrough.
Oh, who am I kidding. He'd probably be in some form in denial and say he was the one that saved her.
And of course you can convince boat master to try and help her, but it takes more than a reasonable amount of smooth talking. Even if you agreed with him on most every topic the game provided, one differing opinion sets him against you.
It wasn't just a "moment of weakness." It was selfishness, plain and simple.
Finally someone pointed this shit out. When I saw the option of Clementine being able to kill Kenny, I thought back to Kenny not helping Clementine. In some way, Clementine unknowingly got her retribution against Kenny.
Exactly.
And of course you can convince boat master to try and help her, but it takes more than a reasonable amount of smooth talking. Ev… moreen if you agreed with him on most every topic the game provided, one differing opinion sets him against you.
It wasn't just a "moment of weakness." It was selfishness, plain and simple.
From my first comment i said kenny is one of the good characters maybe the best characters but he is a bad character too one of the worst, The i already said that k3nny is a good person I And a lot of the game character agreed with that but they see him bad too becase of his misreading actions
I am very well aware what other characters think of Kenny and quite frankly i'm not bothered and I've heard all of the same things before and it's not going to make me think of things any differently. There are some things I did not agree with Kenny on, mostly things he said to people that I felt was unfair to say but there are some things that i do agree on. I will repeat myself again by saying to you that Kenny's "sometimes asshole type nature" comes across to people such as yourself as horrible, evil, rude or whatever but ask yourself why he behaves like this. He does not treat everyone like crap because he wants to be a horrible, he does it for a reason. He always has a reason for his nasty actions towards people. Trust me when i say this, there are plenty of things I didn't like him say and how he treated members of the group but i am not the type of person to keep hating on Kenny or anyone for that matter because it's not in my nature. You also need to understand that in my game, my Lee and Kenny were good friends and i agreed with him most of the time which is completely different to the way you played your game. That is the whole point of determinant choices and relationships between characters.
My comments after that comment was to explain why i don't like kenny not why because he is bad and not to change your veiw if we keep up that for a year and i am ready to keep up for i years will never change are view point so if you was try to change my view point you should stop cuz my view not going to change and even you cuz your opinion is right and mine too
Not at all, i never tried to change your view points and i hope by everything you kept telling me (which just seemed forcibly said) that you were not trying to change my view. So if you weren't then that's fine, no problem.
I didn't mean by weak that you can keep up the talk i meant by been a rude in talking and saying my opinion is bullshit is a disrespect and that kined of talking is always count as a weakness in talking no leaving is the weakness dis resepecting they other talkes is a weakness if you go back in my all comment with you you'll never fined me said a bad thing about your opinions or comments
Like i had said previously, calling your opinion bullshit is an opinion within itself. I did not insult "you" as a person by saying that but since it is obvious that I offended you then I apologise for it but i still don't and will not accept your opinion on what I called bullshit. I just don't agree with it. It was never meant as being rude to you personally though and you need to see that.
Kenny wasen't the only one who last people front of his eyes but he there is people lost their famliys too and beloved peoplebut they didn't act they way that kenny
Ok before i reply to this, let me just compare a list of people that we 100% know for certain that have lost people in the apocalypse given the dialogue mentioned in both games and i will then give you my opinion on what you said about Kenny:
Lee - lost both his parents and brother.
Clementine - lost both her parents.
Kenny - lost his wife, son and Sarita.
Lilly - lost her dad.
Ben - Never made it home to find out if is parents and little sister were alive or dead but nevertheless, they are considered lost to Ben.
Vernon - lost his daughter and friends and possibly his brother in the first few weeks of the apocalypse.
Brie - lost her whole family.
The Stranger - lost his wife and daughter and his son goes missing never to be found.
Molly - lost her sister (heavily assumed) after being forced to leave Crawford.
Christa- lost Omid.
Luke - lost both his parents.
Nick - lost his mother.
Rebecca - lost Alvin.
Walter - lost Matthew.
Jane - lost her sister.
Sarah - lost her dad.
Arvo - lost his sister and Russian friends.
Now yes everyone in the apocalypse has lost someone they care about. But with the exception of Lilly, Christa, Rebecca, Walter, Sarah and Arvo what do all those characters i mentioned who've lost people have in common? Well...we did not witness their loved ones die in the game. We did not get given the chance to care or feel a sense of loss for their deaths for that reason. We of course may have sympathy for "some" of them but it's not the same as seeing characters we like die such as Katjaa and Duck or Omid for example. Also those characters had time to grieve for their loved ones:
Lee, The Stranger, Vernon, Brie and Molly had 3 months to grieve.
Lilly had a week or so to grieve for Larry.
Christa had 16 months to grieve for Omid.
Luke and Nick's losses are unknown but we can assume it happened a fair while ago with enough time to grieve.
Point is, we did not see how any of them dealt with the grief. You say that none of them acted the way Kenny did after losing people, well you need to realise that every single person handles grief differently when they lose loved ones. Look up and read all about grief as it may help you understand it more deeply. Some people cry all the time, some people get angry all the time or isolate themselves. Kenny does the latter two.
Rebecca seemingly cries frequently after losing Alvin.
Sarah becomes fragile and kind of crazy after seeing Carlos die.
Walter did not get the time to grieve for Matthew but i will point out that he can determinately let Nick die depending on Clementine's choice of dialogue.
Christa is seemingly cold towards Clementine during the time jump which implies that Omid's death had hardened her.
Anyway, i make the point that a lot of people feel sorry for Kenny more than other people as we witnessed him lose his family instantly, and then Sarita. You could also argue that losing Lee affected him as deep down i feel he cared about Lee despite any differences they had. He had also been apart of the game so some people get attached to long term characters in games like this. I'd also argue that given he is a controversial character makes him a more interesting addition to the story as there is always drama surrounding his character good and bad. This is why so many people endlessly talk about him here.
I think i've said enough but i imagine you'll argue back and say my opinion is wrong but so be it i guess.
did lilly had her father as a close person to her kenny only think about the safety not what larry means to lilly
What is more important Mak? Your safety or someone's feelings? Please answer that. If you were scared, trapped in a room and there was a 50/50 chance you could die are you seriously telling me that someone's feelings are more important than your own life? I'm sorry but my life is more important than anyone elses because you know...it's my life and we only live once!
but when it come to his son he tottly turnd up who didn't care about they others beloveds he didn't deserve that people care about him
Again i disagree that he didn't care about others beloved ones. He showed remorse at Hershel losing his son as shown if Lee talks Kenny down on the train. He blames himself for Shawn dying. You can see how sad he looks when Clem tells Kenny in season 2 that Omid and Christa are both gone. He tells Clem about how sad he was that Alvin wasn't here to look after AJ, that counts as a loved one. You also have to think that maybe sometimes if Kenny doesn't show his feelings it doesn't mean that he doesn't care about people.
When carver capterd the people in the lodge kenny was ready to keep shooting no matter who carver bring people out like alven but when it was sarita or clementine he stopt why
Answer me this. Did Kenny owe any of the cabin survivors anything? No he did not. And of course he would care more about Clem and Sarita over the others. He doesn't even know those other people but he wasn't being heartless the way you think he was being. Don't forget that they were the ones who were responsible for Carver turning up and taking them all hostage. He was living a supposedly happy life the last few weeks at the lodge with Sarita, Walter and Matthew until they all turned up and indirectly caused the problems that happened. I do not deny that Kenny's actions had consequences and I myself had Clementine stop him from making things worse but the point is he was the only one trying to help them! People he didn't even know! Where was Luke eh? I didn't see him doing anything to help his friends. Instead he seemingly ran off before magically turning up again in the following episode which I found so unrealistic by the way. Carver may very well have killed the group anyway even if Kenny hadn't intervened. He was after all torturing Carlos and holding a machete to his throat. Threat or no threat, we saw what he was capable of after he threw Reggie off the roof in the following episode. Blaming Kenny here is the usual same old story but the fact is, if the cabin group had moved on sooner, Carver wouldn't have captured them there and then anyway.
Kenny regret when he did what he did when the regreat is usless and meanless
Yeah and everyone makes mistakes. Get over it. The point is that he did regret it. At least he showed regret which doesn't make him the monster you make him out to be.
alven he wasn't going to reagret every single time he look to aj face if think before he atack jane or try to kill her that what he going to do not going to bring aj back even if he is realy dead that wasn't going he wasn't going to say when i back to my mined i fined the knife in her chest
But that's just it, the scene with Jane he wasn't thinking because his rage took over because of what she made him think she did which was kill AJ. Kenny was already unstable at everything that had happened to him. He had one eye, probably still in a lot of pain, freezing cold, stressed at trying to find AJ and even the group somewhere safe, he was most likely hungry and thirsty as well as tired. There are endless reasons. The baby was the one last ray of hope he had left to care about (besides Clem) and Jane took that away from. When someone pushes you over the limit, we all do stupid things and i have said millions of times he was in the wrong attacking Jane but so was she for what she did.
Anyway, I can see why he snapped. Yet all the haters say the same old trash "oh he's a psycho, he's evil, he's this and that", honestly it's so narrow minded and one dimensional! At least i as a fan of Kenny can admit the problems he has yet the majority who hate him choose to ignore how the character came to be this way or even accept his honest personality traits before and show no sympathy for a man clearly suffering and needed serious help all because previously he was "mean to me" or "he didn't listen to me" or he did this and that and made mistakes and because said people hold grudges for his actions they don't ever show forgiveness. They have nothing better to do than to constantly bring negativity to these forums. Yet when do i ever say "such and such a character is a piece of shit and hope they die"? Fact is i don't and i try to see the positive in everyone. Negative people even if it over a game just doesn't give a great impression of the type of people they are. sigh rant over. It's fine though, if that's how people view him then so be it, it just gets to me a lot.
If he was thinking that was people own the wagin in the woods and ther is a people could own it and the could die with out it than stranger was going to go back and fined his supplise and and he was never heard about a people was around his wagin and maybe the sranger famliy stayed a life too you maybe say cuz the group need it the supplise even the stranger famliy need that supplise what make our group more importent then his family. You maybe say the group wasn't going to survive without it why lee and clem survived then kenny is a monster he don't care about doing what right thing he care only he care about
Once again, you hold a typical one dimensional view in solely blaming Kenny. First of all, Kenny, his wife and the rest of the group ALL agree to take food and not just him. Also you refuse to blame Lee who can determinately take food from the station wagon as well. Only Clementine refused to be involved. Kenny says "the rest of us are taking this stuff". No one else seemed to mind carrying out the supplies with big smiles on their face such as Ben for example or Carley interested to see if there was any water and finding the batteries in the boxes. And for goodness sake come on man! Are you honestly saying if you were starving that you wouldn't take from a seemingly abandoned station wagon full of food because it was morally wrong in a world where that kind of doesn't matter anymore? No one knew if The Stranger and his family would come back or how long they had left the car for or that even who they were or how many of them there were and like it or not, sadly it is survival of the fittest in a zombie apocalypse. I would be thinking of my entire group and not someone elses in that situation and i refuse to believe anyone hungry enough would just leave the food where it was. What is to say the bandits wouldn't find it and take the stuff too? Many possibilities behind it. As far as i'm concerned they did the right thing in the best interests of their group. If they hadn't taken that food they may not have survived till the following week as they showed.
If i keep talking about kenny bad actions i can't evaer stop cuz they endless
Yeah well that goes both ways man. I will always defend Kenny when people bad mouth him. Sorry but it's how i feel, same as you.
I know ken is a good person but he should chsnge his acting way or he will distroy every group he step in
Well some people can't change who they are. After all, apparently his "daddy was a mean son bitch but taught him respect". Blame his parents if you want to criticise the person Kenny is lol. But like i had told you before, Kenny is a very honest person but comes across as an asshole which is why people don't like him. He speaks his mind and tells you what he thinks of you and people don't want to hear the truth or someone's opinion and he/she are afraid of expressing their opinions but Kenny isn't. You can't get more honest than that to be fair. I disagree that he destroys groups though but you are entitled to your opinion.
You said you want the group to leave for your kenny are you listeningto what you saying
See this line right here is what i consider rude. Yeah i know what I said and i asked why doesn't the group all leave, i didn't say they "should" leave.
i do what is best for all the group and if the all most people in the group agree in something i side with it as long it is right
Then if you did what's best for the group you'd make sure they all survive with the food they found from the station wagon instead of being concerned with people you don't know who may or may not come back.
For me not mike and bonnie the one who should leave i like more if they said to him you are a thread to the group kenny and you should leave
I actually completely agree with you. They should have told Kenny they were leaving and maybe Kenny would then think about what he is doing and the issues that arose but sadly the writing of season 2 did not go that way.
but from and i told kenny that he distroyed the group and his actions are a no welcome why he didn't just leave than
But he was always planning to leave with his family as soon as the RV was working. The thing is, Kenny obviously cared enough about the group because he didn't leave immediately, he suggested they all get to the ocean and find a boat which was giving them a chance to change their mind in my opinion. Only Lilly wanted to stay at the motor inn and determinately Lee. And besides, I didn't see any evidence to suggest everyone in the group wanted Kenny to leave in the RV with his family
why i did explain that before kenny know that is the ultimate risk then if he know that he need the group he should work like a member from it not like some one he is more importent he should think about his actions so he didn't regreat again and again and again i made sure in my play through that his not going todo it again
There were many times Kenny was selfish and wanted to do what he wanted and I don't deny that and some things he said or did frustrated me but once again i'd like to say that i did not hold his actions against him for it. I guess most of the times he acted selfish i probably agreed with him lol. You have to look at it from his view though. His selfish actions in his mind was right and he felt was what was best for the group even if "sometimes" his actions were wrong.
KENNY HIM SELEF AGREE ON THAT HE SAID TO CLEM YOU BETTER OFF ME KENNY SAID IWISH LEE WAS HER WHY CUZ HE KNEW THAT HE IS NOT A GROUP PERSON THAT WHY HE WAS COUNTING ON CLEM TO MAKE A CONACTION WITHTHE GROUP CUZ SHES LIKE LEE ALWAYS KNOW WHAT IS THE RIGHTWAY OF ACTING WITH PEOPLE
Please, if you are going to resort to capitalising your posts to respond in an angry way then please just don't be immature. Kenny saying "i wish Lee was here" was because he needed his guidance and felt that Lee would know what to do so yes i partially agree with what you said although i also feel that he genuinely misses having him around.
If keep blaming ben for his actons and his a kid why you don't blame kenny for his actions
Because a lot of Kenny's actions I agreed with but before you rip my head off, I do blame him for some things such as his treatment of Ben or blaming Clementine for Sarita's death. Both in which he eventually redeemed himself for in the end but as always that is my opinion.
and he is an adult blaming a kid
So what? Ben was old enough to understand his actions. You know why Kenny blamed Ben all the time though because like it or not, Ben put the group in danger multiple times. I know he didn't mean it and i did sympathise with the kid but it is what it is.
its so usless than lets start blaming clem for her actions that lets blame duck why he is so dumb i fucking hate every one who hate duck why the hate him cose his dumb cuz his anoying cuz he is usless he is a kid what you can wait more from a kid to be like and he is not useless heis the one who helped me to fined the supplise
Well sadly kids do stupid things. The thing is we "can" blame them for their actions but we don't have to hold it against them. I blame Ben for the things he did but I don't hate him for it. Please understand this when i say i blame him or the kids. Example, Clem was to blame indirectly for Lee getting bitten and Duck was to blame for indirectly getting Shawn's leg trapped under the tractor. Those are a fact like it or not but i don't hate the kids if that's what you are insinuating.
why he didn't listen when jane said i didn't kill him it was an accident
Because he said "bullshit" which is obvious that he didn't believe her. Kenny explained his reasons determinately after the fight when he said that "she never wanted the baby around, she made that clear" and this in my opinion was true as at the beginning of Amid The Ruins, Jane tells/implies to Rebecca that she should get rid of the baby when it's born. She constantly refers to the baby as an "it" after he is born which strikes me as someone who doesn't really care about the baby. The only reason she put up with AJ is because of Clem wanting to care for him. My opinion.
From my first comment i said kenny is one of the good characters maybe the best characters but he is a bad character too one of the worst
… moreThe i already said that k3nny is a good person
And a lot of the game character agreed with that but they see him bad too becase of his misreading actions
My comments after that comment was to explain why i don't like kenny not why because he is bad and not to change your veiw if we keep up that for a year and i am ready to keep up for i years will never change are view point so if you was try to change my view point you should stop cuz my view not going to change and even you cuz your opinion is right and mine too
I didn't mean by weak that you can keep up the talk i meant by been a rude in talking and saying my opinion is bullshit is a disrespect and that kined of talking is always count as a weakness in talking no leaving is the weakness dis resepecting they other talkes is a weakness if you go back… [view original content]
kenny never think and he only act and his actoins are messd up a lot of times
Yes they are but that doesn't make him a bad person. Just a guy who makes a lot of mistakes.
and he regreat only when the regreat its useless
Only when it's useless? What do you mean exactly? He regrets a lot of his actions and I wouldn't say it is when they are useless. But ok that is your opinion.
if a guy like that can't keep his shit togther and handel him self he coudent even protect his family and make them togther he even admit that he is the worst famliy guy ever
Well not everyone can keep their shit together as easily as others but then again there are people who also can't accept it when someone speaks their mind and hurts their feelings or disagrees with things that Kenny said. Anyway, i disagree that he doesn't keep his shit together. I think after everything he went through he did incredibly well to keep his shit. Most people would have gone off the rails long before Kenny suffered. Goes to show what a strong character is in my opinion.
how i can trust him to lead my group or even to be around me
Well you see this is down to personal preference on how you view Kenny. You don't trust him but i would and that's the difference.
AND THAT A FEW FROME A LOT OF REASONSE WAY KENNY IS A BAD CHARACTER AND ONE OF THE WORST PEEEEAAAAACCCCCE
And again no need to capitalise your answers to sound angry or whatever the reason is. Now that you have shared your hatred for him, how about listing all of his positives?
From my first comment i said kenny is one of the good characters maybe the best characters but he is a bad character too one of the worst
… moreThe i already said that k3nny is a good person
And a lot of the game character agreed with that but they see him bad too becase of his misreading actions
My comments after that comment was to explain why i don't like kenny not why because he is bad and not to change your veiw if we keep up that for a year and i am ready to keep up for i years will never change are view point so if you was try to change my view point you should stop cuz my view not going to change and even you cuz your opinion is right and mine too
I didn't mean by weak that you can keep up the talk i meant by been a rude in talking and saying my opinion is bullshit is a disrespect and that kined of talking is always count as a weakness in talking no leaving is the weakness dis resepecting they other talkes is a weakness if you go back… [view original content]
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My post was not for you it was was for danny 290786
'Just go!'
'I ain't going nowhere.'
'Fine
And that makes it all right to "willingly" attack him does it? No because we both know that they were both in the wrong.
I said "in that moment" where Kenny was slightly backing away and she came towards him with the knife, after she pushed Clementine (in my game) out of the way and then charged at him. What she did there equally didn't make it right and just escalated the fight to an extremely personal level.
I would wait actually. I'd wait to see what he'd do next. I wouldn't charge at someone to actually try and kill them, that wouldn't be self defence in my eyes. If he had charged at me naturally I would defend myself. But Jane charged at him just because he wouldn't leave. As i said, people are quick to blame Kenny for attacking her, but she equally tried to kill him. And i still question her "it's time to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery" comment she said and that was BEFORE the fight got out of hand. A rather extreme thing to say if she wasn't intending to kill him either. Anyway i am not saying one person is right over the other. They are both in the wrong and i have said that a million times.
You can say that again. No matter what, this topic keeps on starting up from time to time. It's quite remarkable how heated it gets.
It saddens me that you and others assume that i think he was in the right just because i am a fan. I have said many times that he wasn't but NEITHER was Jane no matter how many fans of Jane want to defend her and you all know why she was in the wrong as well. I've explained many times.
You have my respect dan
But for real when i played the first walking dead game i am sure i did not do any bad thing to survive i kept my moralty and i keep that even in season two as clem the only bad thing that happen that the thing that i have no choice to stop it in the game or the story of the game was going in it like killing the stranger i didn't killed but even if i did kill him i will only for the self defense
And he was the only person i maybe going to kill
You right only about clem did bad thing to survive but she didn't do it to survive she killed the stranger to help lee that a no choice for her
But kenny killed people that even not evil or even a thread to himbut he was a thread to every one in the group and he was alays have the choice to do not do it but he doing it even if you said no
That why i think kenny one of the worst bad people and yeah people do bad things but they not always screwing up
I playing the game as a leader not like a friend or a family guy and as a leader every one in the group is importent to me and i can't have any thread in my group that the same thing rick did he killed shane cuz he lost what mean to be a human and he start to became a killer with the same excuse like kenny for the people who care about and for surviving
He end up with a knife in his throat
And if rick was in the game i am not going to get surprised if he did the same thing to kenny
I'm happy for you.
I'm happy that my feels were that of complete positivity that I rid the game of such a monstrous herpenous Nazi.
Our choices are determinant though so the bad things Lee can do can actually happen if the player wishes it. It is good you kept your morality though. I suppose my comment was more for characters we had no control over such as Lilly or Kenny.
Kenny killed Larry who he believed was dead and saw as a threat who could turn and kill everyone. You may see that as Kenny being "evil" but I don't because he didn't like doing what he did but felt it was necessary for the safety of himself and everyone else trapped in the meat locker. To cut a long story short, everyone that Kenny has killed (and i don't count Jane as she is determinant) has always been someone who HAS been a threat to him. He has never killed without a reason and you have to remember that. Killing is bad but everyone is forced to in order to survive in that world.
Ok that's your opinion but I disagree with you. Being an asshole and refusing to listen to people's opinions doesn't strike me as him being a threat as an example, more so an inconvenience. But hey, no one seemed to want to part ways from him when there were plenty of times they could have. That goes for both seasons. If he was deemed so much a threat they would have left sooner, not just when Bonnie and Mike decided to take off.
The thing is with Kenny, he tells you exactly what he thinks of you and if he doesn't like your opinion. It makes him look like an asshole but you know what? You cannot get more honest than that. I guess he's an honest asshole and it's a shame there aren't more people who speak their minds instead of keeping things to themselves.
Except that Shane didn't have a conscience when he let Otis die and his killing of Randall and his plan to kill Rick. Kenny on the other hand has shown to have a conscience about the bad things he had done including his regret of feeling responsible for Shawn's death for example. Also, Kenny has never pre-planned to kill anyone like Shane did.
Anyway we all have our own opinions, i've said all this other people before. I respect what you have said though.
sigh such a shame that your positive outlook is also a dark negative view. Not because it's to do with Kenny dying in your game but because it's you seem to like seeing the death of someone (i'd say the same if it was about anyone else btw, even Caver). I just worry that you're like this in real life about people you hate. Hope not anyway
And i don't see kenny personalty as an honesty i see her as some selfsh with some Rudeness in speech
Hey now, don't go all Godwin's law on us now
you're better than that
It's only a "dark negative view" because you don't agree with it. Plenty others here are also glad that "skidmark Kenny" has perished.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had a swastika tattoo on his back.
He is basically Hitler.
No offense, haha.
None fucking taken! That's fucking sick as hell!
I seriously may make that my new profile pic!
Edit: Already done.
No i disagree. If there was even the smallest chance he was dead and about to become a walker i would not take the risk and I'm sorry i will never change that opinion. I would not want to put myself at risk by trying to save someone who could suddenly kill me if for example I was giving him mouth to mouth. I don't want to sound heartless but your own life is more important than others. Also this is Larry we're talking about, a guy who punched Lee and left him to die in the drugstore remember? If Lee had the heart attack, Larry wouldn't have helped him.
I didn't count Jane because it was the only death that Kenny can commit which is determinant.
Sorry but no, premeditated murder is when you plan to murder someone beforehand, Kenny did not "plan" to kill Jane beforehand at all. Murdering Jane wouldn't have ever crossed his mind but when he discovered about AJ and his assumption that she had killed the baby, he let his anger take over and the fight got out of hand to the point "both" of them tried to kill each other.
Please forgive me as i struggled to understand your English on this part. But i'll try to understand. Are you saying Kenny pointed a gun at the group? Because he has never pulled a gun on the people he was with. I'll just refer to what I said before. If people saw him as a threat then no one was stopping them leaving Kenny behind but they didn't (and i'm referring to before the Mike/Bonnie betrayal scene).
In regards to your comment Killing people not kenny's only mistake he did a lot of mistakes i can hardly count well we all know this, i certainly don't deny that but then I could say the same thing about Ben or Lilly and even Clementine, all who also made mistakes that put the group in danger. Kenny is not to be solely blamed.
And that's the problem, you don't see it but i do. The fact is that he IS honest. Tell me when Kenny has ever lied about something to anyone? He hasn't. Like I said, his honesty is the fact that he tells you to your face everything that he thinks about a person or situation and when he disagrees with you, his selfish/rude attitude comes across as horrible as seen by many players of the game but at the same time, it is him showing you that he's not afraid to tell you what he thinks. That is honesty and not enough people speak their minds quite frankly. Feel free to disagree but that is Kenny all over in a nutshell. An honest asshole.
I'm off to sleep anyway, hope you appreciate my views. Talk later perhaps
Glad to hear that, lol.
I actually said the dark negative view is
basically you enjoy seeing the death of a person which in itself is dark so yes i disagree with it and hope you don't enjoy seeing or hearing about a citizen on the news in your country being murdered for example. If you see my point.
Kenny's a fictional character though.
And yes, I don't really care if bad people die, fictional or otherwise. They deserve nothing more than the cold ground decomposing their evil bodies.
Okay you said even if people life in thread i can't take the risk that bring duck in the drug store their was a chance that he can be a thread because no one in the first play throug can be sure he wasn't bit only by telling i toke my chances a for duck and helpd kenny you can't say to me that you didn't too duck in the druge store was count as a thread too why kenny didn't put that in his head in larry's stuation cuz its not someone he care about and duck he is his son in the drug store kenny was ready to take the risk and even in the train when duck was realy bit he was ready to do it to put every one in danger for his son but when it come to others he be the first one looking for safety with out thinking that people have someone to care about too you mabe say larry and duck Position not the same yes it is the samelarry was going to make whenthe people turn thier eye become white just after the turning and when larry moved befor his head get smash a lot said he was going to turn but if stopthe video just in that place before the salt lick fall on his hid when he moved and looked to his eye you can see his eyes didn't turn white that mean (HIS ALIVE)
(What i can do point a gun to every one) i thingk my line was clear her i didn't said kenny point the gun on the group i said what if the all people of the group saw kenny as threat and i didn't like that what i do grab a gun and point it on them and say YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES ARE WRONG KENNY IS NOT A THREAD
Every one did see him as thread and i am a man of the group if the group agree on some thing i am with it cuz in the group not every one can act like he like every one he should try to understand the other and try to be good to them as rick group now from the day that shane died and i think the group start working better
Kenny trys to kill jane any way that count as Attempted murder and maybe murder if the player did look away
Kenny rudenss and slefsh its clear a lot of time when he was trying to make me drop ben becasue he cus his family death and what killing him not going to bring him back
(Hurry the fuck up lee) in the salt lick why you don't come get us out of that place kenny your the one who killed a person to for that
Also you said clem did mistakes yes she did but how in the hell you gonna blame her shis a kid you can't blame ben his a teenager and a kid too you can blame lilly shis an adult but if we look from another way kenny his cuz of her mistake killing carly was never going to happing if some one didn't screw up in the saltlick
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I'm still suspicious about how badly they didn't want us to go into that room....
I don't think Kenny knows about the Stranger being the one that owned the supplies in the van.
It's just an adjoined room that the stranger was hiding in so he could surprise Lee, hence why he says "I got us adjoining rooms"
There's nothing inside it. In fact, it isn't even modeled.
Damn it, Becca! Have you been sneaking out again?
I don't believe you...
You secretly work for TTG and you're trying to cover it up!
Right first of all, no one knew Duck was or wasn't bitten. Yes there was always the chance he was a threat but the situation is very different to the meat locker and i will explain this in 2 sections:
The Drugstore - Duck Situation
Larry went in all guns blazing in wanting to throw Duck out without even giving Kat a chance to clean her son up. If the worst had come to it they would be able to deal with Duck easier given his size and there was more people who could help deal with it such as Lee, Glenn, Carley, Lilly and Larry. Also we must not forget that they had a back entrance that they could all escape from or get rid of him through if he had turned. When you are bitten you seemingly die after several hours or a day, it is unclear how long they last so this whole event was not actual life and death situation in terms of a sudden quick decision making if that makes sense? As they all had time to deal with Duck as i mentioned above.
The Meat Locker - Larry Situation
Larry on the other hand would be very difficult to deal with if he had turned compared to Duck and there would have only been 2 grown men, Lee and Kenny who would have had the unfortunate responsibility to deal with him if he'd become dangerous. Compared to the drugstore, they were all trapped in that meat locker, there was no back door they could all push Larry out of once he'd possibly turned and that is the difference. With Larry possibly dying, this WAS a life and death situation given the extremely likely chance he was going to turn immediately as opposed to Duck which they would have had time to deal with him if he had been bitten which as we know he wasn't.
And yes of course Kenny wouldn't kill his own son if Duck was the immediate threat. Are you saying you could do that? But again you are very quick to blame Kenny for his actions without thinking the reasons behind it instead of just pointing out that he shouldn't have done it because it's "wrong". Put yourself in that meat locker, you would be shitting bricks in fear if you could possibly die by Larry. You don't feel that because we are all sat at a computer playing a game but try understanding it from a real life view. Kenny was scared and hastily did something for what he believed was keeping the group safe from Larry. It wasn't a great thing he did, i don't support the way he did it as i would have done it differently and I didn't like that scene at all but as i have said to many others, i look at why he did what he did to Larry and I don't go holding a grudge over it like a lot of people.
And Larry didn't have his eyes open as you had stated so i'm sorry you are wrong there. The whole Larry death angle was solely created so it was ambiguous as to whether we truly knew if he was dead or alive. The fact is, he could have still been alive or he could have been dead. The twitch he made me giving him CPR only happens after the 4th compression and it is not enough evidence for me to suggest he was alive because there was also a chance he had already begun to reanimate (and please to anyone else reading this, i don't want to get into another debate about the reanimating part i mentioned because i have said my piece on this many times!). The point is Mak, we will never know for certain and that is a fact.
I won't change my opinion on this so just informing you in advance that if you are trying to change my view then don't waste your time lol.
Once again you don't look at things from another view. Picture this, your son is dying, deep down you know that and you would be very upset. You have to understand that Kenny was very upset and wanted to believe it wasn't true. He was in denial and yes some people handle it better than others but he didn't. It doesn't make him a bad person though. Again it annoys me that you are solely blaming Kenny saying he was putting everyone in danger as i don't recall anyone else speaking up saying they had to deal with Duck except for Lee. Kenny needs someone like Lee to make him see reason, he needs pushing before he actually thinks and does something. Lee is someone Kenny needed in season 2 and i think he struggled with that. He did say "i wish Lee was here". I can guarantee you that if Lee was still around, Kenny wouldn't have been as bad as he was.
Well sorry but to me it wasn't but ok then.
Then why didn't they leave sooner? Why didn't they man up and tell him that "you are a threat to us Kenny"? Like i said, i disagree with you. End of.
Being an asshole doesn't have to make you a threat. Look at Daryl in Season 1, he was an asshole and people didn't necessarily like him then but they didn't see him as a "threat". You forget that despite the way Kenny is in how he treats the group you don't appreciate what good he does for the group. At the motor inn, he gets the RV working for everyone who may want to go with him and his family, he does his fair share of hunting for the group, he made runs into Macon to get supplies from the drugstore. In Season 2, he gets a truck working for the group who gave him no thanks for it, he stayed with the group and tried to help them even if he did come across an asshole but so what? Not everyone is going to be a sweet ass kisser.
And yet you fail to acknowledge that Jane was also trying to kill him once the fight escalated and that if she hadn't even done what she did to make Kenny angry then he wouldn't have even tried to murder her. What i was correcting you on was you saying it was premeditated murder in which it certainly wasn't. I'm not going to argue about this with you anymore before it gets out of hand.
Ben had nearly got everyone killed in Crawford and it wasn't the first time he put them in danger. Kenny was furious with Ben after finding out that he was giving the bandits supplied which ended up causing Duck to be bitten and Katjaa to commit suicide so he was naturally going to want to leave Ben behind. Listen, I didn't agree with him nor did i like how he treated Ben and i didn't drop him but as i said before, look at it from Kenny's view, how would you feel? You'd hate Ben. And besides, although his treatment of Ben was terrible, by the end of season 1, Kenny did the right thing, he seemingly forgave Ben and tried to save him after he fell from the balcony. Kenny made sure Ben didn't feel anymore pain than he had to when the walkers would have eaten him alive.
And if you played the game how i did, Kenny says "you got it?" when Lee was opening the vent. What do you expect Kenny to do? Have both men unscrew the vent? This is just a pathetic picky thing to say. Kenny helped him take off the vent after he unscrewed it so you pointing out that he said "hurry the fuck up Lee" is just you finding something negative to say quite frankly. Sorry but it is.
Haha oh that is so TYPICAL of a Kenny hater to say that! If you honestly blame Kenny for Carley's death then i'm sorry i am done speaking with you. I can gladly accept opinions but not that. Let me tell you why that opinion is bullshit.
First of all you do not know Carley wouldn't have died if things didn't happen in the meat locker, that is bullshit right there. Fact is, it would have still happened. Lilly kills Carley because she said something that obviously really upset her calling her a scared little girl, to get the fuck over it and take a page from Lee's book and try helping somebody for once. Her actions were also brought on about everything that happened at the motor inn and with the supplies going missing, she started to have trust issues with the group. Some people have even had theories that Lilly didn't like Carley because she was becoming romantically involved with Lee and people believed that Lilly had feelings for Lee, the way she gave Carley evil looks made it seem that way but that is just a theory but anyway, she suspected Carley and Ben claiming she saw them together being so eager to see what supplies they brought back. She mostly accused Ben saying she never trusted him.!How does her paranoia of that have anything to do with Kenny's actions? It doesn't. How do we know Lilly didn't have paranoia beforehand? There was never an incident that could make her paranoid for us to judge her but she could have been paranoid before. We'll never know.
After Lilly shoots Carley, she says Lee killed before and i forgave him, Kenny killed before and i'll forgive him. If you kept Lilly in the RV and sided with Kenny in the meat locker she says part of me understands why you did what you did. My point in saying all this is that Lilly wouldn't say any of that if she wasn't in her right mind and it goes to show she was willing to forgive Kenny/Lee for what happened, she didn't even seem to detest Kenny that much which was very surprising. She was asking for Kenny's opinion on who to blame for the missing supplies which means she obviously didn't think he was to blame when she could have easily accused him but she didn't. They were obviously on speaking terms in some way. She was obviously grieving but her actions are her own, she knew what she was doing when she killed Carley and you know what? She was right in accusing Ben because he was the one who stole the supplies. You should be blaming Ben for any insecurities Lilly had.
I've just worked a full shift at work and spent an hour typing this since getting home. I'm very tired and am not willing to argue with you further. Please just accept my opinion and I will with yours. Let's leave it at that Mak.
No1
i am not hear to change your view
No 2
You said i giveing reason to blame kenny those not reasons those facts
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Your the one who said i can't take any thread even if the proporation thread is low Unless you contradict yourself and duck was a thread as larry than its the same thing you said the people can handel duck well if its true why they couldn't in the train when the player did not stop the train walker duck killed every one even lee evert the most badass character in all the game that even wors cuz every one in the group was in danger but in the salt lick was only 4 people
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I didn't say that kenny should kill his son and i am not going to kill my son if i did have one i was pointing to that kenny should know like he have a son he close to him lilly have a father his close to her so he should care about they others familys too his family not the only one in the group like he love his famliy and do what he can to protect he should know that people have their own famliys too
BUT NO THE OTHER PEOPLR FAMLIYS OUR NOTHING TO KENNY LIKE HIS THE ONLY ONE HAVE A FAMLY
No5
i talk to you with respect i didn't say you opinions are bullshit but you did and you trying to cut off and leave and that what prove your Weakness in the discussions
No6
you still blaming ben and again he is a kid you cant blame a kid for that if we do blame kids than we start with clem than cuz shes cuzed lee death isn't she
No8
The people did leave mike bonnie in season two and they said to him its your fault and you dam will know it isaid to kenny after the dary he distroyed the group but he didn't leave or and he had an rv but he didn't leave why cuz he knew that the Separation is a risk in another word kenny didn't leave the group cuz he need the group but he always make the group in disaster
No9
daryl was a an asshol in season one but he didn't screw up or was a thread to the group and he changed and become more understaning to the people around him but kenny always screwing up always acting like an asshole he didn't even change so your example is weak bro
No10
Jane ask kenny very clearly (don't you come neare me) she put the kife back but hello kenny is atacking you said that in some priveous comment that he maybe was waiting for her to put the weapon back so he can get a fair fight frome your comment its so clear that he was want to fight and he started the fight
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I didn't say kenny his the one who killed carly but he was the reason that lilly lost it and she become like one a bad shaip and she killed carly and guss what (leave her to the walkers shes a killer) kenny your the last one who should talk about killing people
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(Mr i ain't a boy
Sorry your a MAAAN) that what called rudeness (shut up doc this ain't your call) that a pure rudeness (i don't what know what you say but i know is a bullshit) calling the other people talking a bullshit its the ultimate rudeness bull shit coz kenny and you both of you proved that have a weak point that you can't talking to the people without rudeness and that a proved in your last comment bro
Well you said you done with me i hope that cuz i am not ready to talk to a rude person he disresepct the other people comment and prove that he is a weak cant talk with out been rude
PEACE
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oh but you are or else you wouldn't keep pointing out all negatives from Kenny and telling/implying that i am wrong when an opinion is never wrong. Guess what? There are positives too but you choose to ignore that.
My point is, you are finding faults to point out in his character but you don't look at his positives. It's what typical haters do.
But it's fine, that's how you saw his character but i did not hold a grudge against him like you do.
Haha walker Duck is non canon (doesn't officially happen in the game), i always found that a little boy walker killing, Clem, Katjaa, Ben, Chuck AND Lee was the most unrealistic thing ever because in reality that would not happen and i am glad it wasn't officially part of the game. The fact is they WOULD handle Duck. You honestly think 4 or 5 people couldn't have thrown walker Duck off the train? Get real man! They would do. The whole point of the non canon walker Duck scene was to show that you failed in the scene in talking Kenny down. I stick by what I said, the Duck/Larry situation is different and i explained why above. That is my opinion.
BUT NO THE OTHER PEOPLR FAMLIYS OUR NOTHING TO KENNY LIKE HIS THE ONLY ONE HAVE A FAMLY
And if you paid attention to the game or witnessed what i did in my game, you would have seen the scene where Kenny shows great remorse for Shawn Greene's death when talking to Lee on the train. He deeply regretted Hershel losing his son because of what happened and was being punished now that Duck was dying. I'd say that is showing care wouldn't you? He didn't kill Larry because he didn't "care" about other families or whatever you are trying to say. I told you he did it because he was not only scared but doing it to protect everyone because of chance Larry could have turned and killed all of them and would have been very difficult to deal with. He said "I didn't like doing what i did. I'm the guy who couldn't bear to see the family dog put down". Honestly dude, you think Kenny is heartless but he really isn't. An example would be how he put the children first in getting food at the motor inn, he showed care and regret what happened to Alvin and Rebecca and wishes they were here to look after their son AJ. He is a guy with flaws and irrational a number of times. He is not perfect but neither is anyone else and i don't agree with everything he does. But there is more to him than the person you are trying to paint the picture of. Try looking at it from another view and before you say it, i have heard all the negatives about him before not just from you but it's not going to change my view.
When you feel strongly against an opinion it is very hard to accept. I apologise for offending you but i am highly against that opinion of you blaming Kenny for Carley's death. And oh no trust me on this. I'm not going to leave for "weakness", i suggested I would be done speaking to you because i know how this discussion would get. Very heated. Proving my weakness? Now look who isn't showing respect lol. You'll never win an argument with me man! But ok then if you want to carry it on fine.
But i "can" blame Ben if i want to. Being a kid doesn't dismiss that what happened in Crawford was his fault. After all Lee says Ben is young and stupid and it's true. Hey, i'm one of the few who actually likes Ben, he wasn't a bad kid but he made a lot of mistakes just as Kenny has done. And Lee, Clem, Lilly etc. Everyone makes them, it's human nature. And yeah man, like it or not, Clem was indirectly the reason Lee got bitten, i can and will blame her for that but the difference is I don't hold it against her. I still feel sympathy for her. Same as Ben, I didn't hold a grudge against him for messing up at the motor inn or when he left Clem to die on the street or his screw up in Crawford and I didn't drop him. I am not one to do that. But you seem to never forgive anything Kenny has ever done so that is where our views differ.
Yes we know that but what about before the Arvo incident? You basically suggested he was a threat long before that. I was also including the group from Season 1 as well, why didn't they leave if they saw him as a threat?
And that works both ways. Why didn't everyone else leave the group once Kenny had the rv working in season 1? Because they needed to all stay as a group too as separation was a risk. I think Kenny was ready to leave with his family by episode 3 anyway, he just didn't get chance to leave with them as the motor inn got raided by the bandits. And it's your opinion that he makes the group a disaster. I do not think so. If that's the case then Lilly makes it a disaster too because she continues to argue back with Kenny. So both of them are a disaster right? Or are you going to deny that?
So when he was trying to attack Rick when they first met and acting very hostile towards the group on numerous occasions, that's not threatening to you no?? You are calling my example weak? Look who's being disrespectful now "bro" but thanks for the insult lol. I am smart enough to look at Kenny's so called screwing up, "asshole" attitude from another perspective instead of the one dimensional view which is "waaaa Kenny hurt my feelings, he's mean to me blah blah". Learn to not hold grudges, try to look at why he's being an asshole instead of assuming that it's because he's naturally horrible because he isn't. There is always a reason why he acts like that and it's not for no reason like the way Larry was horrible to everyone all the time. At least with Kenny there were times you could speak in a civil manner with him unlike Larry.
You also misread my comment as serious because i was being sarcastic about that. Of course he didn't want a fair fight, we know why he waited to put the knife back lol, i made the joke about it but people thought i was serious. Kenny started the fight but Jane "caused" the fight to happen in the first place by making Kenny angry and thinking the baby was dead. And please for the love of god, let's not get into another Jane/Kenny argument. I really tire of saying the same thing over and over.
And I didn't say that you said "Kenny killed Carley", i said you were blaming Kenny for her death which is different. The same could be said for the other scenario shen she killed Doug. She killed him by accident but she still did what she did and was trying to kill Ben.
And no, once again that is wrong that you have said. He was not to blame for her death for the reasons i stated above. As you have missed them or chose to ignore them i'll paste it all again here more clearly:
Lilly kills Carley because she said something that obviously really upset her calling her a scared little girl, to get the fuck over it and take a page from Lee's book and try helping somebody for once. Her actions were also brought on about everything that happened at the motor inn and with the supplies going missing, she started to have trust issues with the group. Some people have even had theories that Lilly didn't like Carley because she was becoming romantically involved with Lee and people believed that Lilly had feelings for Lee, the way she gave Carley evil looks made it seem that way but that is just a theory but anyway, she suspected Carley and Ben claiming she saw them together being so eager to see what supplies they brought back. She mostly accused Ben saying she never trusted him. How does her paranoia of that have anything to do with Kenny's actions? It doesn't. How do we know Lilly didn't have paranoia beforehand? There was never an incident that could make her paranoid for us to judge her but she could have been paranoid before. We'll never know.
After Lilly shoots Carley, she says Lee killed before and i forgave him, Kenny killed before and i'll forgive him. If you kept Lilly in the RV and sided with Kenny in the meat locker she says part of me understands why you did what you did. My point in saying all this is that Lilly wouldn't say any of that if she wasn't in her right mind and it goes to show she was willing to forgive Kenny/Lee for what happened, she didn't even seem to detest Kenny that much which was very surprising. She was asking for Kenny's opinion on who to blame for the missing supplies which means she obviously didn't think he was to blame when she could have easily accused him but she didn't. They were obviously on speaking terms in some way. She was obviously grieving but her actions are her own, she knew what she was doing when she killed Carley and you know what? She was right in accusing Ben because he was the one who stole the supplies. You should be blaming Ben for any insecurities Lilly had.
It is just utter trash what you said and I'm sorry i do not want to offend you further but it annoys me and I will not accept that opinion. I just can't.
Something to add to what i said, Lilly tells Lee "I'm a mess right now" which is obviously referring to grief, followed by saying "but i'm not stupid" when talking about the missing supplies. It proves that she wasn't being paranoid because she was actually right that they had been going missing, and she accused Carley and Ben for it which is a perfectly sane thing to do because she had her suspicions. She stated why she accused them. I mentioned that above as well but if you want the original line Lilly said to Carley/Ben then here it is more or less:
"I've had my suspicions, i've seen you 2!together. You were so eager to see what supplies we brought in"
Lilly mostly blamed Ben but shot Carley because she upset her, that is all there is to it as I stated above. Kenny had absolutely nothing to do with Lilly's actions. If you want to believe that then fine but on this occasion im sorry but you are wrong. I just won't accept it because I feel it's just another Kenny hater trying to find another negative thing about Kenny. It's ridiculous.
The difference is, Kenny didn't kill Larry in cold blood because he had a reason as to why he did it. The reason being right or wrong is not the point though. Lilly on the other hand shot Carley point blank due to an assumption and/or being offended by Carley's last words. So Kenny said "leave her for the walkers" because he didn't want the worry that she might decide to shoot him next or try to kill everyone else they were with. There is a difference. Hopefully you'll see reason and actually agree on that.
Sorry your a MAAAN) that what called rudeness
Oh and what was it Nick said first? He said "SAY THAT AGAIN" in an angry tone which made Kenny respond with "stay out of this boy" I suppose you think Nick wasn't being rude then? Because he was as well so don't just predictably blame Kenny for it. Nick was asking for a rude response for getting involved in the conversation in the first place. Tensions were high at that point with everyone anyway.
Agreed. That was rude. Oh well right. That's Kenny and that is how he is. You should know that by now.
I found that line very funny actually because it was deemed as a joke that Kenny didn't understand the word Carlos said which was capitulation but yes that was rude but again, that's Mr Asshole Kenny right? Lol
I called your opinion bullshit, but I wasn't being rude directly about you as a person. I never said, "hey Mak your an idiot for your opinion" did i? No. I criticised your opinion but not you so i find that insulting that you think i'm being insulting!! I think you and i need to learn to accept each others opinions.
PEACE
Done speaking with you "on that topic" i should have added. I feel very strongly about it and the reason i said i'd be done speaking to you is if it was going to turn into a 2 month argument or something which I don't want. But i have to say that you are saying i am rude but you've just been very hypocritical by saying i'm "weak" and if that isn't a rude remark then what is? Plus by calling me weak is a personal insult as opposed to what i said which was calling your opinion bullshit. My opinion is that it was but it was not an insult aimed at you as a person. I've been a board member on here a lot longer than you have and everyone i have spoken to have been respectful and never called me weak or personally insulted me. I've had arguments with a lot of people but i'd like to think i've been respectful to them as people.
And finally i'm pretty sure you and i can have a civil conversation but it will most likely never involve Kenny because our opinions differ too much. But anyway if you aren't willing to accept my opinions then it's up to you if you want to end the discussion here. I've accepted most of what you said but I don't agree with it.
Peace
From my first comment i said kenny is one of the good characters maybe the best characters but he is a bad character too one of the worst
The i already said that k3nny is a good person
And a lot of the game character agreed with that but they see him bad too becase of his misreading actions
My comments after that comment was to explain why i don't like kenny not why because he is bad and not to change your veiw if we keep up that for a year and i am ready to keep up for i years will never change are view point so if you was try to change my view point you should stop cuz my view not going to change and even you cuz your opinion is right and mine too
I didn't mean by weak that you can keep up the talk i meant by been a rude in talking and saying my opinion is bullshit is a disrespect and that kined of talking is always count as a weakness in talking no leaving is the weakness dis resepecting they other talkes is a weakness if you go back in my all comment with you you'll never fined me said a bad thing about your opinions or comments
_Kenny wasen't the only one who last people front of his eyes but he there is people lost their famliys too and beloved peoplebut they didn't act they way that kenny did lilly had her father as a close person to her kenny only think about the safety not what larry means to lilly but when it come to his son he tottly turnd up who didn't care about they others beloveds he didn't deserve that people care about him
When carver capterd the people in the lodge kenny was ready to keep shooting no matter who carver bring people out like alven but when it was sarita or clementine he stopt why
FUCK THEY OTHER AND THEIR BELOVED I CARE ONLY ABOUT WHAT I LIKE that a complate selfshness
Kenny regret when he did what he did when the regreat is usless and meanless if he think what going to happen to shown if he don't help him he wasn't going to reagrat if think about what think about alven he wasn't going to reagret every single time he look to aj face if think before he atack jane or try to kill her that what he going to do not going to bring aj back even if he is realy dead that wasn't going he wasn't going to say when i back to my mined i fined the knife in her chest
If he was thinking that was people own the wagin in the woods and ther is a people could own it and the could die with out it than stranger was going to go back and fined his supplise and and he was never heard about a people was around his wagin and maybe the sranger famliy stayed a life too you maybe say cuz the group need it the supplise even the stranger famliy need that supplise what make our group more importent then his family
You maybe say the group wasn't going to survive without it why lee and clem survived then kenny is a monster he don't care about doing what right thing he care only he care about
If i keep talking about kenny bad actions i can't evaer stop cuz they endless
That just to prove that kenny is a bad person too and one of the worst not to prove he is not a good person or he is an evil
I know ken is a good person but he should chsnge his acting way or he will distroy every group he step in
You said you want the group to leave for your kenny are you listeningto what you saying mane how you ask the people to leave for one person i already said in my coment i am not making the group work just to make one person or your kenny happy
You want me to side againes the group and make thim do what your kenny like i am a leader not a friend or a famliy guy i do what is best for all the group and if the all most people in the group agree in something i side with it as long it is right
For me not mike and bonnie the one who should leave i like more if they said to him you are a thread to the group kenny and you should leave but from and i told kenny that he distroyed the group and his actions are a no welcome why he didn't just leave than why i did explain that before kenny know that is the ultimate risk then if he know that he need the group he should work like a member from it not like some one he is more importent he should think about his actions so he didn't regreat again and again and again i made sure in my play through that his not going todo it again
KENNY HIM SELEF AGREE ON THAT HE SAID TO CLEM YOU BETTER OFF ME KENNY SAID IWISH LEE WAS HER WHY CUZ HE KNEW THAT HE IS NOT A GROUP PERSON THAT WHY HE WAS COUNTING ON CLEM TO MAKE A CONACTION WITHTHE GROUP CUZ SHES LIKE LEE ALWAYS KNOW WHAT IS THE RIGHTWAY OF ACTING WITH PEOPLE
If keep blaming ben for his actons and his a kid why you don't blame kenny for his actions and he is an adult blaming a kid its so usless than lets start blaming clem for her actions that lets blame duck why he is so dumb i fucking hate every one who hate duck why the hate him cose his dumb cuz his anoying cuz he is usless he is a kid what you can wait more from a kid to be like and he is not useless heis the one who helped me to fined the supplise
If keep blaming ben i keep bringing jane too and make sure my friend i didn't bring her in here to start jane /kenny ww bring here to explain kenny the non acceptable action that he do with out thinking why he didn't listen when jane said i didn't kill him it was an accident why he didn't lesten when i said listen to her why he didnt think that by killing her he not going to bring aj back even if he is dead i didn't make that jane /kenny ww and that clear unless you want to turn it to a worled war my bro that a fact that kenny never think and he only act and his actoins are messd up a lot of times and he regreat only when the regreat its useless if a guy like that can't keep his shit togther and handel him self he coudent even protect his family and make them togther he even admit that he is the worst famliy guy ever how i can trust him to lead my group or even to be around me
AND THAT A FEW FROME A LOT OF REASONSE WAY KENNY IS A BAD CHARACTER AND ONE OF THE WORST
PEEEEAAAAACCCCCE
Probably the same reaction he had when the cancer survivors stole the boat or when you let Ben fall.
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Finally someone pointed this shit out. When I saw the option of Clementine being able to kill Kenny, I thought back to Kenny not helping Clementine. In some way, Clementine unknowingly got her retribution against Kenny.
Exactly.
And of course you can convince boat master to try and help her, but it takes more than a reasonable amount of smooth talking. Even if you agreed with him on most every topic the game provided, one differing opinion sets him against you.
It wasn't just a "moment of weakness." It was selfishness, plain and simple.
Yeah I'd choose the 'Go fuck yourself' option.
I am very well aware what other characters think of Kenny and quite frankly i'm not bothered and I've heard all of the same things before and it's not going to make me think of things any differently. There are some things I did not agree with Kenny on, mostly things he said to people that I felt was unfair to say but there are some things that i do agree on. I will repeat myself again by saying to you that Kenny's "sometimes asshole type nature" comes across to people such as yourself as horrible, evil, rude or whatever but ask yourself why he behaves like this. He does not treat everyone like crap because he wants to be a horrible, he does it for a reason. He always has a reason for his nasty actions towards people. Trust me when i say this, there are plenty of things I didn't like him say and how he treated members of the group but i am not the type of person to keep hating on Kenny or anyone for that matter because it's not in my nature. You also need to understand that in my game, my Lee and Kenny were good friends and i agreed with him most of the time which is completely different to the way you played your game. That is the whole point of determinant choices and relationships between characters.
Not at all, i never tried to change your view points and i hope by everything you kept telling me (which just seemed forcibly said) that you were not trying to change my view. So if you weren't then that's fine, no problem.
Like i had said previously, calling your opinion bullshit is an opinion within itself. I did not insult "you" as a person by saying that but since it is obvious that I offended you then I apologise for it but i still don't and will not accept your opinion on what I called bullshit. I just don't agree with it. It was never meant as being rude to you personally though and you need to see that.
Ok before i reply to this, let me just compare a list of people that we 100% know for certain that have lost people in the apocalypse given the dialogue mentioned in both games and i will then give you my opinion on what you said about Kenny:
Lee - lost both his parents and brother.
Clementine - lost both her parents.
Kenny - lost his wife, son and Sarita.
Lilly - lost her dad.
Ben - Never made it home to find out if is parents and little sister were alive or dead but nevertheless, they are considered lost to Ben.
Vernon - lost his daughter and friends and possibly his brother in the first few weeks of the apocalypse.
Brie - lost her whole family.
The Stranger - lost his wife and daughter and his son goes missing never to be found.
Molly - lost her sister (heavily assumed) after being forced to leave Crawford.
Christa- lost Omid.
Luke - lost both his parents.
Nick - lost his mother.
Rebecca - lost Alvin.
Walter - lost Matthew.
Jane - lost her sister.
Sarah - lost her dad.
Arvo - lost his sister and Russian friends.
Now yes everyone in the apocalypse has lost someone they care about. But with the exception of Lilly, Christa, Rebecca, Walter, Sarah and Arvo what do all those characters i mentioned who've lost people have in common? Well...we did not witness their loved ones die in the game. We did not get given the chance to care or feel a sense of loss for their deaths for that reason. We of course may have sympathy for "some" of them but it's not the same as seeing characters we like die such as Katjaa and Duck or Omid for example. Also those characters had time to grieve for their loved ones:
Lee, The Stranger, Vernon, Brie and Molly had 3 months to grieve.
Lilly had a week or so to grieve for Larry.
Christa had 16 months to grieve for Omid.
Luke and Nick's losses are unknown but we can assume it happened a fair while ago with enough time to grieve.
Point is, we did not see how any of them dealt with the grief. You say that none of them acted the way Kenny did after losing people, well you need to realise that every single person handles grief differently when they lose loved ones. Look up and read all about grief as it may help you understand it more deeply. Some people cry all the time, some people get angry all the time or isolate themselves. Kenny does the latter two.
Rebecca seemingly cries frequently after losing Alvin.
Sarah becomes fragile and kind of crazy after seeing Carlos die.
Walter did not get the time to grieve for Matthew but i will point out that he can determinately let Nick die depending on Clementine's choice of dialogue.
Christa is seemingly cold towards Clementine during the time jump which implies that Omid's death had hardened her.
Anyway, i make the point that a lot of people feel sorry for Kenny more than other people as we witnessed him lose his family instantly, and then Sarita. You could also argue that losing Lee affected him as deep down i feel he cared about Lee despite any differences they had. He had also been apart of the game so some people get attached to long term characters in games like this. I'd also argue that given he is a controversial character makes him a more interesting addition to the story as there is always drama surrounding his character good and bad. This is why so many people endlessly talk about him here.
I think i've said enough but i imagine you'll argue back and say my opinion is wrong but so be it i guess.
What is more important Mak? Your safety or someone's feelings? Please answer that. If you were scared, trapped in a room and there was a 50/50 chance you could die are you seriously telling me that someone's feelings are more important than your own life? I'm sorry but my life is more important than anyone elses because you know...it's my life and we only live once!
Again i disagree that he didn't care about others beloved ones. He showed remorse at Hershel losing his son as shown if Lee talks Kenny down on the train. He blames himself for Shawn dying. You can see how sad he looks when Clem tells Kenny in season 2 that Omid and Christa are both gone. He tells Clem about how sad he was that Alvin wasn't here to look after AJ, that counts as a loved one. You also have to think that maybe sometimes if Kenny doesn't show his feelings it doesn't mean that he doesn't care about people.
Answer me this. Did Kenny owe any of the cabin survivors anything? No he did not. And of course he would care more about Clem and Sarita over the others. He doesn't even know those other people but he wasn't being heartless the way you think he was being. Don't forget that they were the ones who were responsible for Carver turning up and taking them all hostage. He was living a supposedly happy life the last few weeks at the lodge with Sarita, Walter and Matthew until they all turned up and indirectly caused the problems that happened. I do not deny that Kenny's actions had consequences and I myself had Clementine stop him from making things worse but the point is he was the only one trying to help them! People he didn't even know! Where was Luke eh? I didn't see him doing anything to help his friends. Instead he seemingly ran off before magically turning up again in the following episode which I found so unrealistic by the way. Carver may very well have killed the group anyway even if Kenny hadn't intervened. He was after all torturing Carlos and holding a machete to his throat. Threat or no threat, we saw what he was capable of after he threw Reggie off the roof in the following episode. Blaming Kenny here is the usual same old story but the fact is, if the cabin group had moved on sooner, Carver wouldn't have captured them there and then anyway.
Yeah and everyone makes mistakes. Get over it. The point is that he did regret it. At least he showed regret which doesn't make him the monster you make him out to be.
But that's just it, the scene with Jane he wasn't thinking because his rage took over because of what she made him think she did which was kill AJ. Kenny was already unstable at everything that had happened to him. He had one eye, probably still in a lot of pain, freezing cold, stressed at trying to find AJ and even the group somewhere safe, he was most likely hungry and thirsty as well as tired. There are endless reasons. The baby was the one last ray of hope he had left to care about (besides Clem) and Jane took that away from. When someone pushes you over the limit, we all do stupid things and i have said millions of times he was in the wrong attacking Jane but so was she for what she did.
Anyway, I can see why he snapped. Yet all the haters say the same old trash "oh he's a psycho, he's evil, he's this and that", honestly it's so narrow minded and one dimensional! At least i as a fan of Kenny can admit the problems he has yet the majority who hate him choose to ignore how the character came to be this way or even accept his honest personality traits before and show no sympathy for a man clearly suffering and needed serious help all because previously he was "mean to me" or "he didn't listen to me" or he did this and that and made mistakes and because said people hold grudges for his actions they don't ever show forgiveness. They have nothing better to do than to constantly bring negativity to these forums. Yet when do i ever say "such and such a character is a piece of shit and hope they die"? Fact is i don't and i try to see the positive in everyone. Negative people even if it over a game just doesn't give a great impression of the type of people they are. sigh rant over. It's fine though, if that's how people view him then so be it, it just gets to me a lot.
Once again, you hold a typical one dimensional view in solely blaming Kenny. First of all, Kenny, his wife and the rest of the group ALL agree to take food and not just him. Also you refuse to blame Lee who can determinately take food from the station wagon as well. Only Clementine refused to be involved. Kenny says "the rest of us are taking this stuff". No one else seemed to mind carrying out the supplies with big smiles on their face such as Ben for example or Carley interested to see if there was any water and finding the batteries in the boxes. And for goodness sake come on man! Are you honestly saying if you were starving that you wouldn't take from a seemingly abandoned station wagon full of food because it was morally wrong in a world where that kind of doesn't matter anymore? No one knew if The Stranger and his family would come back or how long they had left the car for or that even who they were or how many of them there were and like it or not, sadly it is survival of the fittest in a zombie apocalypse. I would be thinking of my entire group and not someone elses in that situation and i refuse to believe anyone hungry enough would just leave the food where it was. What is to say the bandits wouldn't find it and take the stuff too? Many possibilities behind it. As far as i'm concerned they did the right thing in the best interests of their group. If they hadn't taken that food they may not have survived till the following week as they showed.
Yeah well that goes both ways man. I will always defend Kenny when people bad mouth him. Sorry but it's how i feel, same as you.
Well some people can't change who they are. After all, apparently his "daddy was a mean son bitch but taught him respect". Blame his parents if you want to criticise the person Kenny is lol. But like i had told you before, Kenny is a very honest person but comes across as an asshole which is why people don't like him. He speaks his mind and tells you what he thinks of you and people don't want to hear the truth or someone's opinion and he/she are afraid of expressing their opinions but Kenny isn't. You can't get more honest than that to be fair. I disagree that he destroys groups though but you are entitled to your opinion.
See this line right here is what i consider rude. Yeah i know what I said and i asked why doesn't the group all leave, i didn't say they "should" leave.
Then if you did what's best for the group you'd make sure they all survive with the food they found from the station wagon instead of being concerned with people you don't know who may or may not come back.
I actually completely agree with you. They should have told Kenny they were leaving and maybe Kenny would then think about what he is doing and the issues that arose but sadly the writing of season 2 did not go that way.
But he was always planning to leave with his family as soon as the RV was working. The thing is, Kenny obviously cared enough about the group because he didn't leave immediately, he suggested they all get to the ocean and find a boat which was giving them a chance to change their mind in my opinion. Only Lilly wanted to stay at the motor inn and determinately Lee. And besides, I didn't see any evidence to suggest everyone in the group wanted Kenny to leave in the RV with his family
There were many times Kenny was selfish and wanted to do what he wanted and I don't deny that and some things he said or did frustrated me but once again i'd like to say that i did not hold his actions against him for it. I guess most of the times he acted selfish i probably agreed with him lol. You have to look at it from his view though. His selfish actions in his mind was right and he felt was what was best for the group even if "sometimes" his actions were wrong.
Please, if you are going to resort to capitalising your posts to respond in an angry way then please just don't be immature. Kenny saying "i wish Lee was here" was because he needed his guidance and felt that Lee would know what to do so yes i partially agree with what you said although i also feel that he genuinely misses having him around.
Because a lot of Kenny's actions I agreed with but before you rip my head off, I do blame him for some things such as his treatment of Ben or blaming Clementine for Sarita's death. Both in which he eventually redeemed himself for in the end but as always that is my opinion.
So what? Ben was old enough to understand his actions. You know why Kenny blamed Ben all the time though because like it or not, Ben put the group in danger multiple times. I know he didn't mean it and i did sympathise with the kid but it is what it is.
Well sadly kids do stupid things. The thing is we "can" blame them for their actions but we don't have to hold it against them. I blame Ben for the things he did but I don't hate him for it. Please understand this when i say i blame him or the kids. Example, Clem was to blame indirectly for Lee getting bitten and Duck was to blame for indirectly getting Shawn's leg trapped under the tractor. Those are a fact like it or not but i don't hate the kids if that's what you are insinuating.
Because he said "bullshit" which is obvious that he didn't believe her. Kenny explained his reasons determinately after the fight when he said that "she never wanted the baby around, she made that clear" and this in my opinion was true as at the beginning of Amid The Ruins, Jane tells/implies to Rebecca that she should get rid of the baby when it's born. She constantly refers to the baby as an "it" after he is born which strikes me as someone who doesn't really care about the baby. The only reason she put up with AJ is because of Clem wanting to care for him. My opinion.
Yes they are but that doesn't make him a bad person. Just a guy who makes a lot of mistakes.
Only when it's useless? What do you mean exactly? He regrets a lot of his actions and I wouldn't say it is when they are useless. But ok that is your opinion.
Well not everyone can keep their shit together as easily as others but then again there are people who also can't accept it when someone speaks their mind and hurts their feelings or disagrees with things that Kenny said. Anyway, i disagree that he doesn't keep his shit together. I think after everything he went through he did incredibly well to keep his shit. Most people would have gone off the rails long before Kenny suffered. Goes to show what a strong character is in my opinion.
Well you see this is down to personal preference on how you view Kenny. You don't trust him but i would and that's the difference.
And again no need to capitalise your answers to sound angry or whatever the reason is. Now that you have shared your hatred for him, how about listing all of his positives?
Peace
Same. No way I'll kiss his ass to help me find a little girl whom he supposedly cares so much about.
Why is this thread's tangent still a thing?! That gray box of comments has gotten incomprehensible!
Let's start another, more incoherent comment chain!
Rape is good! (There, that should get the gears moving hopefully...)