(Season 2) He doesn't deserve to be shot
I have seen that a lot of people that shot Kenny reason that he was a psycho and he crossed the line when he wanted to kill Jane, they say that Clem was not safe with Kenny for that reason. I think we can all agree that all of us loved Lee well guess what, Lee killed his wife in the heat of the moment as well but as we got to know him more we realised that inside he had a golden heart, none of us can say who's good and who's bad, it's just impossible but we all had the common goal fo keeping Clem safe and that matters the most to us.
Kenny would do anything to keep Clem safe, Jane on the other hand was a stubborn young girl who didn't know much about responsibility, and don't you forget that she told Clem to not let anyone drag her down and just leave them behind just because you don't owe them anything, well what if Clem dragged Jane down at some point ?
BTW I decided to leave Kenny behind for Wellington because I wanted Kenny to feel that he finally redeemed himself, he felt a lot of guilt and blamed himself for not protecting his loved ones, now at least he will feel that he accomplished something great, sad ending but realistic, it was just silly after all Clem and Kenny been through to leave Wellington behind for a feel good moment.
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You know, you're probably right about everything but I'm not sure if this thread is really gonna amount to much. But I guess I'll leave my two cents anyway:
I shot Kenny on my first playthrough both times because I didn't want him to go down the same road Lilly did.
The 2nd time was when I replayed the final segment just to let him do so anyway because FOQ Jane.
Second playthrough I went to Wellington.
Guess what my eventual third "Edgy" playthrough will probably end with.... (Sooo not looking forward to that for *sooo *many reasons...)
[EMPTY SPACE WHERE I WROTE A LOT OF STUPID SHIT WHEN I WAS TOO TIRED TO REALISE HOW PATHETIC I AM IGNORE THIS PLEASE]
Um...what?
While I agree with this post, I don't necessarily think that someone's level of education pre-outbreak would constitute towards their level of insanity.
Like you said, Michonne is very intellectual and well educated, but look at her. She's an absolute mess. And for good reason. That universe does horrible shit to people's mindsets and their psychological health.
It was a joke
I mut die for making bad jokes
At first it wasn't a joke but later I realised how pathetic it sounded and conviced myself it was a joke :P
Now I'm laughing at myself.
Are...
Are you okay??
I couldn't stop him from killing Larry in the meat locker and I couldn't stop Lilly from killing Carley. Kenny's situation with Jane is basically the same as Lilly when you have someone pushing their buttons and then they finally snap. If I have the choice to stop them from murdering someone and that it's not in self-defense, you bet your ass I'll stop them.
And SHE doesn't deserve to be stabbed either. But fu*k it, cause Kenny has lost soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much so he can kill someone on an assumption.
Oh, God, I found this situation so hilarious... I'm perfectly fine...! I think...
I'm laughing so hard now!
I would say neither deserved to die but I guess it depends on what you feels about both characters. Personally, I liked to take a third option with Clem choosing her own path despite their influence to take one way or the other.
It was the heat of the moment and emotions were running high, especially for the player. When Jane said those magic words "Clem help!" the fight or flight response kicks in for most people. Kudos to anyone having a level head during that part, but when someone is asking for help because some crazed dude is trying to stab them, you act (you have a gun, why not use it?).
I can't truly blame or hate anyone choosing to shoot Kenny over this reason. I've seen a lot people just amazed that they actually shot Kenny more than any other reaction.
I wasn't about to let Kenny play 'judge, jury, and executioner' against someone over a crime he had no proof that they had even committed, and thus was revealed to never have technically committed in the first place.
There was no need for anyone to die and I do hold Jane responsible for her stupid plan in baiting Kenny into going berserk to prove a point, but there's no excuse for Kenny to try and murder her just because he lost himself in a blind fit of rage.
I thought this was common knowledge?
Run while you still can or Janiacs will hunt you down.
I second that
Especially over a baby he's grown oh so attached to for what? 2 days?
No thanks, Jane was not an angel by any means, but Kenny earned that bullet many many times over.
Kenny X AJ cofirmed
Sorry, couldn't resist
Lee didn't kill his wife, he killed the senator sleeping with his wife. Sometimes cast members say he killed his wife in interviews, but there is no in-game evidence for that.
The difference in my head with Kenny is that we see his psychological breakdown over the course of two seasons. We can see what he has gone through, and the player is left with the decision if he should be given the chance to come back from it or not. Lee's killing of the senator was a result of built-up tension with his wife, but nothing he had done previously would have marked him irredeemable. Kenny however had done many things, such as killing Larry, killing Carver, beating on Arvo, nearly losing it while taking out a zombie, etc. He was also in a lot of physical pain with the eye and slash to the stomach, and I know that also came into consideration for me when I shot him the first time.
While I don't like Jane per se, I also didn't want to be a passive viewer to her death either. It was less about "who do I like more, Kenny or Jane?" And more about "am I going to let Kenny get away with murder?" The first time I decided no, and the second time I let Kenny live only because I liked the Wellington ending better. That still doesn't mean I would have let Kenny do that though, when shooting him was my gut decision.
This whole comment isn't revelant at all.
XD lol
Ok. What would be answer or the right question or whatever?
Well you can't really be attached to a new born baby for like years on end
don't dare to bring lee beside that man lee didn't kill his wife he killed the lover a person its the first time that he see and more than that he saw him with his wife doing a bad thing front of his eyes
Lee becaome angery for once of his life
Kenny killed some one from the group a member not some one is like an introuder and he didn't even saw her that person kill aj he only atack with out knowing the out comes and what is realy happen
And kenny is alwayes losing it
Killing people its bad no matter what so dont give your kenny an excause so he can do always what he like to do
And yeah he didn't deserve to got killed by handgun he deserve to got bombed by a rocketlancher
Kenny earned that bullet.
I don't really know what Jane was trying to prove to be honest. EVERYONE knew Kenny had a temper. Clementine knew it better than anybody, and she'd stuck by him so Jane's purpose was a waste of time to me. The guy had lost his wife, child, and then his new partner. It's enough to send anyone mad, at least he didn't kidnap Clem and keep Sarita's head in a box. So to go and make out like AJ was dead was just gross on her part and I don't blame Kenny for going at her. She was looking for provocation and she got it, end of discussion.
I believe that either Kenny or Jane being killed was immoral, but Kenny was about to kill someone and instigated the fight many times, whereas Jane was not about to kill someone and she attempted to calm the fight three times.
You can't discuss whether it was okay to shoot Kenny or not without taking into consideration the direct consequences of letting him live.
Well in defense of that plan of Jane's...the writers were obviously drinking hard...and in the heat of a drunken binge plotting....I am sure it sounded good. I love season two, but yes they had problems. The only TellTalegames staff you could not blame for episode 4 and that part of 5 was the TellTale pets...though I am sure Zeus, God of Cats may have done something.
The thing about Season Two is that it never allows you to outright say that you believe Kenny is dangerous and you want to go away from him. The game is tailored in a way that you're by his side no matter what you want, which understandably makes the adult characters think that Clementine is just a child who doesn't realize how dangerous Kenny is.
I argue that losing three family members only sends about one percent of survivors mad. How come very little people in the entirety of the The Walking Dead franchise brutalize others and disregard what everybody else thinks because they have gone through grief? It's the reason for Kenny's case, but it is no justification.
Clementine willingly escaped with the stranger, though possibly after being misled. And keeping his wife's head in a bag served as a harmless means to cope. I do not see what would've made him a bad caretaker for Clem.
Actually, you can say that you don't trust him/never liked him and agree with the other that he's broken. When Mike, Bonnie leave with Arvo you can ask them to take you with them, unfortunately the game don't allow it.
And everyone lost a loved one in TWD universe, Kenny is not someone special. That doesn't allow him to try to murder someone when there is no proof.
To be fair, its made clear that Arvo doesn't trust or feel comfortable about taking Clementine with.
Guys who shot Kenny have brought up very good reasons that even though doesn't change the choice i made but I can't disagree with, i just imagined a scenario where we have the option of shooting Jane who is about to kill Kenny and I wouldn't hesitate to shoot Jane, i'm not a judge in a court and i can make decisions solely based on my emotions.
Kenny during the season 2 became a father figure for Clem, and in that very moment i put myself in Clem's shoe and asked myself would i shoot my father whose got his demons but he is the only one in that fucked up world that truly cares about me.
I had some serious doubts about my choice when I didn't shoot Kenny, i was afraid what if he DID hurt Clem, but I forgave him when he asked the Wellington guard to let Clem and AJ stay there and I actually stayed and it was the perfect conclusion for me, Clem and AJ finally get to Wellington, Kenny after blaming the loss of his loved ones on himself will feel that he redeemed himself.
That was my point exactly. It doesn't justify killing.
Hold on a moment...from the "What I wouldn't done differently" topic.
Seriously, that would of made the choice harder. I was really tempted to shoot Kenny on my first playthrough, despite hating Jane and loving Kenny.
The last part was emphasis, Garrus sure does love his rectum.
In my opinion, presenting the choice this way would make a large number of players—those who take the game at face value, Kenny and Jane supporters alike—blind to the fact that Jane had attempted to prevent and stop the fight three times before. I don't believe the position of victim fits Kenny well in this instance considering that he started the fight; he was being lied to, yes, but that is not the point of my comment.
Again, hold on a moment while I retrieve my argument...Nevermind, was flagged for deletion with everything else.
My argument was that this should have been in the game as a potential outcome of the fight, with Kenny straddling Jane being the other. Make it more even, you know, instead of just "CrazyKenny and VictimJane" or "BrokenKenny and ManipulatorJane" based almost entirely on personal bias.
That sounds very interesting! Perhaps we could've had a choice between giving Kenny or Jane a hand during the fight earlier on, and whoever we helped will manage to overpower the other person, so the decision would make us choose whether we would allow our most liked character between the two to kill the other.