If it had been Jane...?
So, having recently seen this picture...
It got me thinking, if the roles had been reversed and that it were Jane who were in the position to kill Kenny, instead of vice versa, would you have shot her, preventing Ken's death or would you have allowed Jane to kill him? Whatever your decision, be sure to explain why and also, how would you deal with Jane afterwards (if you let her kill him). Would you stay with her? Would you leave her? Or would you ensure that she didn't live another day and shot her?
What I would've done is probably obvious, but I'd have shot Jane and left with Ken for Wellington. But hey, that's just me and I'm sure there'll be plenty of other views on the situation.
Anyway, thanks for reading.
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Honestly, I'd prefer a "Shoot Jane" and "Shoot Kenny" choice.
They seem more even in that shot, in terms of combat.
Well, technically, there is an option to have both dead. If you let Kenny kill Jane, you can shoot him afterwards if you so choose.
Yeah, if Jane was in position to end it, and wasn't able to control herself and not do it. Then yeah, I'd kill Jane for trying to kill Kenny. I would have left Kenny afterwards though. Because I personally couldn't spend another second with him.
I would have allowed Jane to choke him to death, though if it had been possible, I would've shot Kenny in the head myself to spare him any further suffering.
First of all, I consider it important to note that Kenny attempted to knock Jane out and possibly even kill her under the assumption that she had killed a newborn baby. If we are looking at it as a chain of events, the fight only occurred because he tried to hurt her, but simultaneously, it wouldn't have taken place if it weren't for Jane's plan; this is objective reasoning, not an opinion.
Secondly, I consider that Jane would be a better guardian to Clementine than Kenny ever would, because of the latter's uncontrollable extreme impulses.
Lastly, it has been shown that Kenny had been suffering emotionally, and I opine that he wouldn't have been able to keep up much longer with grief and guilt affecting him as much as it did. A bullet to the head would spare him endless worry without noticing it, and his wish to keep Clem and AJ safe would be honored, seeing how Jane takes care of the kids if they go with her.
With regret, I would have shot Jane. If given a choice I would save Kenny in most situations. The game would have been better with him than without him for me. He is one of the best characters in season 1 and easily the best character in season 2 imo. I was very satisfied with his ending and the Wellington ending and if I needed comfirmation that I made the right choice, that would be it.
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So, let me get this straight, when Kenny is brought to the point of killing an other human being over a fight, which in my opinion, Jane had caused and made little to no attempts to truly end, it goes against your moral standpoint of a person killing someone in cold blood, which I can understand completely. But what I don't understand, though, is how Jane doing the exact same thing, which you'd allow her to complete in full, any better?
I get you don't like Kenny, but I always figured that if the roles were reversed, you'd be the first to not actually allow Jane to become a full blown killer, as I don't believe it can be denied that no matter what some may say, she is the direct cause for the fight and if she so desired, she could've ended it by simply confirming that, ya know, the baby that Ken thinks is dead and is willing to risk his own life for in an act of revenge, is actually alive and well, just chilling out in the car over there.
Still, allowing him to be killed by Jane because of something she led him to believe, as Clem watches on, seems incredibly harsh and ruthless, just so you could achieve Jane becoming Clem and AJ's guardian, especially considering I always thought your main issues with Ken came from your belief in morals. I'm kinda surprised, to be honest.
What have I done?
Oh, is that what she's trying to do there?!
Strangle is the word, not choke. My apologies!
[whisper] The quotation is kinda off.
Actually, I think we've all been misinterpreting what these images show us.
Clem was suposed to grab the gun when both Jane and Kenny are grabbing eachother's neck. My assumption is that this would probably be a 'Shoot X or Shoot Y' instead of a 'Shoot Jane or Let her kill Kenny' choice!
Someone should do some sniffing in the game's files and see what this really means (I don't have a computer so I'm unable to do anything x.x).
Looking back at it, perhaps it would've been better this way? I don't know...
I am not going to kill her, if that's what you're saying.
As I said in a conversation with @marccost3…
"You have gotten me to understand and acquire this point, so now I do agree that it was foolish to drop the plan when it was the perfect instance to complete it by telling Kenny that AJ was safe and sound in one of those cars."
…I am aware that Jane acted nonsensically. Despite this, it can't be argued that Kenny also shares responsability with her. Had either of them refrained from doing what they did and the fight simply wouldn't have taken place. This doesn't necessarily mean that both were wrong to have done what they did. It's more of a question of chronological sequence than judgment.
What is the alternative? Shooting her when she was acting under good intentions and under a plan that made sense? Going with Kenny, only to stay at Wellington and taking away his sense of purpose yet again, while the corpse of Jane rots? Deciding that Clementine and AJ will stick with Kenny, when they would be safer with Jane and while anything could happen to the three in the woods?
This is a mission for @Deltino!
In all seriousness, you appear to be right, IronWoodLover! But what do you think would've happened if you let the timer run?
Huh, I just assumed Kenny was trying to push Jane off of him and failing.
If they are choking each other however, that would tie into the whole grey vs gray aspect of the fight.
They both choke each other, and it ends in a tie
they just fall over in the snow and Clementine's like "welp"
Kenny and Jane would start feeling dizzy so they'd have to let go of one another. They'd take a break, drink some water and take some deep breaths before gettinf back at it! This would play in a loop until the player made a decision.
Ehhh, maybe Jane would be able to overpower Kenny and strangle him? Maybe Kenny would? I can't tell.
Why not, though? What she's doing is pretty much trying to commit murder, even if it is of someone you dislike. I'm curious to understand why you believe Jane's acts, which in this scenario, are the same as Kenny's, is more justified than his.
Oh, of course, Kenny does indeed share just as much responsibility in the situation as Jane. He should've calmed down, thought about what he was doing and not jump to conclusions, instead deciding to act like a rational human being and try to uncover the complete reason for AJ's disappearance, but as we all know, and something in which Jane truly understood, is that Kenny never does. He's nearly always irrational and it's probably one of his greatest flaws, as it leads to serious consequences as seen time and time again.
Anyway, both characters, in my view, are completely wrong, but from my own personal bias, I would pin it more on Jane, though, that comes down to interpretation and which character you liked more (or disliked).
Well, for one, her so called "plan that made sense", which puts her's, Kenny's, Clem's and AJ's lives all at risk, is certainty not what I'd describe as a good one and just comes across as incredibly reckless, especially when considering it was all based off of what Jane believed, not actual facts. Her entire goal was to prove that Kenny was dangerous and that he could be a threat to the safety of AJ or Clementine, but never once was there ever an indication to prove that Kenny would actually harm them, no more so then Jane herself would and in my opinion, her irresponsible plot actually backfires, as she's the one proven to endanger all four parties. The only instance that could be put into perspective to prove that Kenny could harm Clem is after Sarita had died, but even then, he was grieving and it's certainty not uncommon for someone to experience anger during such a time, and he quickly apologizes anyway.
Going with Jane, only to stay at Howe's and forcing her to care for a baby that she clearly doesn't feel much for, whilst the corpse of Kenny rots, after he was led to believe his only hope in the world was dead, isn't exactly what I'd describe as the better choice either.
But would they really be safer with Jane? It's a proven fact that with Kenny, he'd do everything in his power to defend both Clem and AJ, whether it caused personal pain for him or not. He'd always be there for them and has been shown to love both, equally. Jane, on the other hand, is more survivalist, willing to drop people like flies if it got in the way of her own existence. Now, of course, at times, she would be willing to lend a hand, as show determinately with Sarah's second death, but at the same time, if either AJ or Clem were constant liabilities, I'd reckon she would leave them, especially with AJ's situation in still being an infant. She doesn't have the same attachment to children, liabilities you could call them, as Kenny does and undoubtedly wouldn't put her own safety at line as much as he would, to save them.
EDIT: Just added something...sorry.
Well one thing that often goes unsaid in Kenny vs Jane arguments that I think possibly is very important is how dodgy it was that Jane came back completely unharmed without the kid.
Once they got out of the car, this place was not really that dangerous. We have Walkers literally not moving at all and Clementine was able to basically walk to Kenny without getting attacked. If Clementine could do that then a capable survivor like Jane likely could as well. Jane would have been holding the kid in her arms as well so again, how could the kid not comeback whilst Jane comes back completely unharmed? It doesn't make much sense. When Kenny runs out there and doesn't actually see much danger around, that could set off the alarm bells and his rage to the maximum.
If it was Jane attempting to kill Kenny, I might have made a split second choice to shoot her and likely left with Kenny. As much as I like Jane's character, I think my Clementine would've shot the attacker regardless of who it was. Besides, Jane did formulate a plan to deceive Kenny but at the same time it was Kenny who actually started the fight.
If I played the game caring about survival, I probably would let Jane live since she's done more good and less bad than Kenny has to the group and actually teaches Clementine survival methods.
I think that's the reason they didn't go with that choice - because they may not have been able to decide what happens if the player does nothing - would both live? Would both die? Would one live and the other die?
Well, the final choice would've sucked just as bad.
The issue with the whole rivalry between two super unlikable characters is that we are relegated to passive participants that hold no real bearing on how the two decide their feud will end.
Imagine if instead of just kind of having a forced clash of people who have little understanding of why they're motivated to hate each other in the first place (I think Kenny hated Jane cause of how she slept with Luke and something about her leaving), Clementine's actions determine the two's relationship in meaningful ways. And that's, of course, assuming Kenny and Jane's inclusion felt organic from the jump to begin with.
I'd like to think having both characters' connection to Clementine clash (Kenny being a very possessive person who feels a comfort in having Clementine around and Jane who has a sense of inspiration found in Clem to better her even if the effects are long-term damage) would yield for a somewhat interesting narrative experience.
Just my thoughts.
I can't lie, I was expecting your post to be more along the lines of "I'd shoot Jane, then beat Kenny to death with the gun"
Yo, who says I wouldn't if the choice was presented in my deepest darkest fantasies?
No, but real talk. I thought I'd change up my usual jokey mocking nature answers for something actually tangible this time, don't get use to it though.
I would have made the same choice as with Jane, meaning Shoot her>leave Kenny for the same reasoning I made for shooting Kenny. Would have been great to have the choice to shoot one of them in this scenario instead of just Kenny.
I would have shot that bitch jane so fast her godamn head would of went spinnning of her shoulders lol kenny-kun for life.
Is Jane supposed to have tried to kill Kenny in this situation over his accidentally killing AJ? Or is it JUST the "who to shoot" option switched around?
First time around, if the choice is present then people will pick it, dosn't matter which person is winning the fight (Jane or Kenny on top). You save someone's life by choosing the choice to shoot. It's easier to pick when they ask for help as they're helplessly fighting back. Be the protagonist/hero of the story and then realize the concequences of your actions later. Good job to anyone keeping a leveled head and picking who you wanted during the original stressful, emotional part.
I would choose to shoot Jane. I've always liked Kenny more than Jane and had hopes that Wellington was out there (Kenny was right). Also, seeing how Jane screwed up with AJ, then acted mysterious with his death, then is trying to kill my buddy, I would definitely shoot. Still wouldn't feel good about it though.
Kill Jane and leave Kenny.
If Jane is willing to go all the way to murder somebody else, especially when we learn she triggers these events, then no I can't trust her with Clementine or any other people we might come across.
Nah, it's just the point where you have the option to shoot Kenny switched around to Jane. Everything else is pretty much the same, so the latter.
I've never thought about that, but that's actually an excellent point. It explains why Kenny become so quickly angered after returning from his attempts to look for AJ.
Kenny definitely seems stronger than Jane. She relies more on her weapon than her bare hands. Plus, them testosterones.
Choke is correct. Strangling would be with an object, like a cord.
I've always went with Jane, so this time wouldn't be any different.
i would let her kill him.
kenny is a shit stain on this earth, isn't that common knowledge? he can literally get eaten by fifty fire ants. he can get shot in the shoulder by arvo. he is a gluttonous heathen that has done nothing but cause harm to anyone who's in a five-foot radius.
would you trust this man with your life?
i sure wouldn't.
for that, i must let jane murder the murder man himself, kenny, the true villian of Telltale's The Walking Dead: Season 2.
(honestly tho i seriously hate kenny with a burning passion, this post isn't even sarcastic)
Thank you!
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I believe that Jane's actions are more justified then Kenny's for the reason that she prompted him to leave three times, and he had the final say about the course of the game when he refused.
Jane could not leave at that point, because Clementine would be left with a man who could—believe me, I know it would be unintentional—snap and hurt anybody at any moment, and walking away would negate her entire plan, momentarily compromising AJ's safety over nothing. Jane could not stay peacefully either, because Kenny was trying to kill her. She had to fight. Why she didn't reveal AJ's whereabouts when she had the chance is out of my understanding, though she appears to be about to speak before Kenny pins her against the window. Contrastingly, Kenny could've taken a moment to calm down and the fight would have ceased because Jane did not want to have to kill him in the first place. This is the fundament of my opinion on the matter.
I disagree with one point—if Jane had known that Kenny would attack her instantly instead of letting her explain AJ's fate, she would not have put the plan in practice. She is shown to be smart and strategic. She did not have this knowledge on Kenny when she assembled everything together.
It was based off of the little that she knew about the group, and not off of purposely exaggerating what she knew. I felt the need to correct that.
What facts could she have factored into the plan?
That is the point, and you appear to be missing it. Kenny would never harm Clementine nor the newborn consciously, but we are all aware that he went into irrational mode on a daily basis, due to varied reasons that don't have to do with this topic. That version of him is who could have hurt them, and that is what Jane realized. I believe she knew for sure that, despite being an asshole to many survivors, he would not hurt the kids on purpose. The angry Kenny was the danger of allowing the kids to stick with him, because Clementine would not be able to defense herself nor the baby from an enraged Kenny.
I argue that it is the better choice, because Jane had a strong will to survive and thrive, while Kenny's will to live fluctuated and was strong only when he took care of somebody else. Having the baby go away from him would lead him to sink into depression yet again, maybe commiting suicide few steps from Wellington, when Jane could be living in his place.
This is only the truth, though I am not sure if you realize that doing everything in somebody's power does not mean much, if anything at all. I opine that Jane's capability to defend herself and others is higher than Kenny, and Jane would actually live in a place with some supplies as opposed to wandering in the woods with Kenny with two duffel bags of supplies. Pragmatically, I think that the kids would be better with Jane.
The thing is that she showed that she protected both of them for nine days and they then settled at a place with supplies. She would not even have to make the decision of dropping them, because they stopped being nomadic. With more people joining a new Howe's Hardware, I believe that the amount of supplies gathered and grown would only grow. We will have to see in Season Three.
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i read the community time by time. and carnedg2013 is one of the people, that shames to dislike kenny. if not your not starving people out trying to whzzle out jane supporter's like mysalf.
if i have to be honest I never like Kenny or clementine (she was responsible for lee event's dearth by who reckless behaviors.) I do admit on my first play though with lee event. i endangered everybody, Even Kenny san deck, to protect clementine. even at the end of season 2. i killed Kenny not because i hate his guts. (but only to protect her from rape). Kenny behaviors ratted my thacking. At episode 3; even more so that aggressive attack on June. Sense tune i always get Kenny killed every time i play, realizing Kenny i use to knew from season 1 is gone. and clementine is only truly safe with Jane.
however if June does kill Kenny. ill stall be with who knowing June has her problems but unlike Kenny.
^ I am Dyslexic and spilling is really hard for me thack you from Wright Micah
…will you do the sniffing?