This would be a little trickier given that in this situation, it is Jane that's about to finish Kenny off and not the other way around.
But in this instance, I can see myself just waiting it out instead of shooting Jane, or at the least shout out to Jane to stop and hope that she had the sense to stop herself from going too far now that she had Kenny at her mercy. Even in this situation, Jane still had more right to defend herself from Kenny who would still instigate the fight regardless of what happens, though I imagine that I wouldn't approve of her going as far as to kill Kenny when he's already down.
...Come to think of it, I think I read somewhere a long time ago that these pictures were depicting the original events where if you choose to do nothing, Kenny manages to kill Jane anyway by taking her knife and stabbing her to death. In this event, Jane is either shot by you, or is killed by Kenny.
To be frank, I'm glad Telltale didn't go down this route.
If Jane were attempting to kill Kenny, then this entire scenario is her fault. As it is now, blame can be shared. Jane instigated the situation, but Kenny was the one that escalated it to violence and murder and Jane lost control of her fabricated situation, sharing faults with Kenny for the outcome. If Jane was the one trying to kill Kenny, then she's the one that had full control of the situation and is guilty on both faults.
I am glad it was not this way though, mostly because it invalidates most of Jane's plan. She wanted to do this to show Clementine how unstable Kenny was so she would leave him. If Jane murdered him, then really all her plan gave her was a dubious excuse to kill him. I never liked Jane, but I can defend her from time to time. She said she never meant for it to go that far, and I believed her. For her to be the one to take her own plan to far, she would become indefensible, in my opinion.
Wright Micah^ Final Build 2.4 Telltale Community
i read the community time by time. and carnedg2013 is one of the people, that shames to … moredislike kenny. if not your not starving people out trying to whzzle out jane supporter's like mysalf.
if i have to be honest I never like Kenny or clementine (she was responsible for lee event's dearth by who reckless behaviors.) I do admit on my first play though with lee event. i endangered everybody, Even Kenny san deck, to protect clementine. even at the end of season 2. i killed Kenny not because i hate his guts. (but only to protect her from rape). Kenny behaviors ratted my thacking. At episode 3; even more so that aggressive attack on June. Sense tune i always get Kenny killed every time i play, realizing Kenny i use to knew from season 1 is gone. and clementine is only truly safe with Jane.
however if June does kill Kenny. ill stall be with who knowing June has her problems but unlike Kenny.
^ I am Dyslexic and spilling is really hard for me thack you from Wright Micah
Wright Micah^ Final Build 2.4 Telltale Community
i read the community time by time. and carnedg2013 is one of the people, that shames to … moredislike kenny. if not your not starving people out trying to whzzle out jane supporter's like mysalf.
if i have to be honest I never like Kenny or clementine (she was responsible for lee event's dearth by who reckless behaviors.) I do admit on my first play though with lee event. i endangered everybody, Even Kenny san deck, to protect clementine. even at the end of season 2. i killed Kenny not because i hate his guts. (but only to protect her from rape). Kenny behaviors ratted my thacking. At episode 3; even more so that aggressive attack on June. Sense tune i always get Kenny killed every time i play, realizing Kenny i use to knew from season 1 is gone. and clementine is only truly safe with Jane.
however if June does kill Kenny. ill stall be with who knowing June has her problems but unlike Kenny.
^ I am Dyslexic and spilling is really hard for me thack you from Wright Micah
If I remember this right, if it is even true, there was something about a choice to Shoot Jane or not, but not shooting Jane would just have Kenny find the knife and stab her, making it so there was only the ending with Kenny at the end.
But then, the image above with Clem reaching for the gun that seems like it be a shoot x or y, the problem with that is, what if you didnt do anything? Telltale would then need to choose a definite winner. Also Im guessing it be a headshot, because from that angle, only a headshot would be lethal, which would mean whoever you shoot doesnt get some sad last talk. (Although I guess Jane doesnt get one either way ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
your right Kenny wasn't rapping Jane at all. The first time when i shy that aggressive revenge scene. i picnicked so i killed him to protect clementines safety. i did not now any bitter that time. i was not until i read the telltales community. Tune I realize of how wrong i was.
The only other noteworthy things are a few textures and sounds/animations with some interesting names
For example, Kenny has a texture where he has a broken nose, which isn't used during the fight, and at one point he was going to smash Jane's face into some broken glass, according to the names of some of the files
I'm not smart enough to do all the model/animation swapping, and I basically ruined my save files the last time I attempted it, so I'm not exactly eager to try again
Yo, who says I wouldn't if the choice was presented in my deepest darkest fantasies?
No, but real talk. I thought I'd change up my usual jokey mocking nature answers for something actually tangible this time, don't get use to it though.
There's really not that much to go on, honestly
Outside of that animation, there's not much else
The only other noteworthy things are … morea few textures and sounds/animations with some interesting names
For example, Kenny has a texture where he has a broken nose, which isn't used during the fight, and at one point he was going to smash Jane's face into some broken glass, according to the names of some of the files
I'm not smart enough to do all the model/animation swapping, and I basically ruined my save files the last time I attempted it, so I'm not exactly eager to try again
Oh yeah, I tried to swap the salt lick in episode 2 with something else, and it broke the game and corrupted the save files, making me have to replay the entire game again (which I was glad to do, but you know, had to make the time to do it)
I also tried to replace Lee with a tractor once, but that didn't work either, so I just sort of gave up
I'm not sure if trying to justify Kenny's assumption with another assumption makes Kenny's hunch any more valid.
Anyways, I disagree with your assumption that Jane should be able to get a baby out of a blizzard unharmed easily, here's why:
After getting out of the car the place might've not been dangerous for Clem, but it certainly was a precarious situation for Jane, who was being chased by two walkers while carrying a crying AJ. With both her arms grabbing AJ, she had little she could do to defend herself. There's also the fact that she was walking in snow. Accidentally tripping and letting AJ fall would be easy and probable. The walkers may have not been attacking Clem, sure, but Clem didn't have a crying baby in her arms. And finally, the zombies in the blizzard may have been slower, but they weren't blind. If Clem gets too close to a zombie, they spot her and you get a game over screen. The blizzard might've made Jane harder to spot, but it didn't make her invisible.
Jane was walking in a blizzard with a crying baby attracting walkers, she is unable to protect herself since she has both her arms occupied and she is walking in snow with high chances of tripping and letting AJ fall. That seems pretty dangerous to me.
And even if it wasn't that dangerous of a situation Kenny still shouldn't have assumed such thing without hard proof. I still find it hard to picture how Kenny got to the conclusion that Jane simply stabbed AJ or something. Why would she do such thing? What facts are pointing that way?
Well one thing that often goes unsaid in Kenny vs Jane arguments that I think possibly is very important is how dodgy it was that Jane came… more back completely unharmed without the kid.
Once they got out of the car, this place was not really that dangerous. We have Walkers literally not moving at all and Clementine was able to basically walk to Kenny without getting attacked. If Clementine could do that then a capable survivor like Jane likely could as well. Jane would have been holding the kid in her arms as well so again, how could the kid not comeback whilst Jane comes back completely unharmed? It doesn't make much sense. When Kenny runs out there and doesn't actually see much danger around, that could set off the alarm bells and his rage to the maximum.
Oh yeah, I tried to swap the salt lick in episode 2 with something else, and it broke the game and corrupted the save files, making me have … moreto replay the entire game again (which I was glad to do, but you know, had to make the time to do it)
I also tried to replace Lee with a tractor once, but that didn't work either, so I just sort of gave up
Maybe... but I don't buy it. Jane accidently tripping in the snow? She's just too skilled for that. Clementine didn't even look like tripping. Clementine could afford to also shoot the walkers dead and still not be in much danger. (no disrespect to anyone but the player must have been really bad to get a game over screen there. I didn't even know it was possible lol) The walkers semmed just too slow and too weak to really do much. And Jane could have easily taken those two walkers that were "chasing" her, even with a baby. She probably didn't even bother wasting time because they were so slow.
And if Jane felt there was a lot of danger around those parts, then why leave the kid alone in the first place? If the kid is crying and walkers hear him, an open windowed car is only gonna do so much for him for so long. I just don't think there was enough danger for the kid or Jane to die. And it's very possible that Kenny and Jane both knew this.
I'm not sure if trying to justify Kenny's assumption with another assumption makes Kenny's hunch any more valid.
Anyways, I disagree with… more your assumption that Jane should be able to get a baby out of a blizzard unharmed easily, here's why:
After getting out of the car the place might've not been dangerous for Clem, but it certainly was a precarious situation for Jane, who was being chased by two walkers while carrying a crying AJ. With both her arms grabbing AJ, she had little she could do to defend herself. There's also the fact that she was walking in snow. Accidentally tripping and letting AJ fall would be easy and probable. The walkers may have not been attacking Clem, sure, but Clem didn't have a crying baby in her arms. And finally, the zombies in the blizzard may have been slower, but they weren't blind. If Clem gets too close to a zombie, they spot her and you get a game over screen. The blizzard might've made Jane harder to spot,… [view original content]
How many Kennys does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, they just beat the room for being black urban.
Or alternatively: they all yell at the bulb, call it a shitbird, and blame it for not changing itself
You could alternate and have one discussion comment for every fourteen joke comments, or something like that.
The people in your GIFs make me uncomfortable.
How many Kennys does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, they just beat the room for being black urban.
Or alternatively: they all yell at the bulb, call it a shitbird, and blame it for not changing itself
I would shoot Jane. Because I don't like Jane. And because Kenny is best live character. If had the chance to shoot her while Kenny was holding her down, I would have done it. I'm sticking with Kenny all day every day.
I believe that Jane's actions are more justified then Kenny's for the reason that she prompted him to leave three times, and he had the final say about the course of the game when he refused.
While that is true, it can be argued that Jane, who in my view, had know how Kenny would react in the situation, was putting on a show for Clementine, trying to present herself as the victim and Kenny as the aggressor. It could also be that Jane had simply wanted to prompt Clementine to back her up and demand for Kenny to leave as well, that way she'd have proven her point and successfully managed to get rid of him. Either way, I don't think Jane had requested Kenny to leave because she genuinely wanted the fight to end per say, considering she'd predicted it, but that she just wanted to ensure Kenny had no way of coming back from this, at least in Clem's eyes.
Jane could not leave at that point, because Clementine would be left with a man who could—believe me, I know it would be unintentional—snap and hurt anybody at any moment, and walking away would negate her entire plan, momentarily compromising AJ's safety over nothing. Jane could not stay peacefully either, because Kenny was trying to kill her. She had to fight. Why she didn't reveal AJ's whereabouts when she had the chance is out of my understanding, though she appears to be about to speak before Kenny pins her against the window. Contrastingly, Kenny could've taken a moment to calm down and the fight would have ceased because Jane did not want to have to kill him in the first place. This is the fundament of my opinion on the matter.
I'll admit that Jane did probably believe Kenny would harm Clementine and possibly, AJ, and that belief is what had motivated her to do what she did, but I think she was wrong. I don't believe Kenny would ever hurt them. I'm not saying he's the best guardian in the world or anything for two small children, as there's no denying he has his issues, but at the same time, there's never been shown an incident where he has done children any damage. Even when he's been at his angriest, Kenny has never hit or assaulted Clem, nor has he put her life in serious danger, unlike, let's say, Jane, who puts her in such events not once, but twice throughout the course of the game. Also as you, yourself, pointed out, Kenny does sometimes do unintentional acts because he snaps and can't control his anger, which can be seen in the fight, so you can't possibly think that after the reveal Jane may have killed AJ in cold blood, that he could possibly be able to take "a moment to calm down"? Of course he should have tried, but you have to look at how he saw the events. He couldn't let someone, who he truly thought was a baby murderer, allow to walk another day even if, that meant he had to kill her, both for the vengeance of AJ's apparent death and the safety of Clem. His intentions were just as well meaning as Jane's were, if not more so, because he'd been led into believing a lie that she had orchestrated.
I disagree with one point—if Jane had known that Kenny would attack her instantly instead of letting her explain AJ's fate, she would not have put the plan in practice. She is shown to be smart and strategic. She did not have this knowledge on Kenny when she assembled everything together.
She's also be shown to be a skilled fighter, so most likely, Jane believed that she'd be able to handle a mentally troubled, one eyed redneck when her plan reached it's final. Of course, she had the knowledge of Kenny's temper, as she witnessed it during Arvo's assaults, the fighting with Mike and Bonnie, and just the overall hot-headed nature of the man. Her entire plan was built around it. She wanted to show Clementine what "he really is", giving her the full image of Kenny's rage at it's worst, where he'd be driven to murderous actions, proving that he was dangerous. That was her plan. The reason she never actually explains AJ's fate is because she doesn't want Kenny to know it, she wants him to jump to conclusions, she wants him to act how she'd already seen multiple times before, so that in the end, Clem would be forced to pick her.
It was based off of the little that she knew about the group, and not off of purposely exaggerating what she knew. I felt the need to correct that.
No, it had been based off what she thought Kenny was- too dangerous to be around Clem/AJ, even though there's no proof that he would've been. And that's the 'fact' I was talking about. Kenny never, throughout the whole season, puts Clem in actual harm.
That is the point, and you appear to be missing it. Kenny would never harm Clementine nor the newborn consciously, but we are all aware that he went into irrational mode on a daily basis, due to varied reasons that don't have to do with this topic. That version of him is who could have hurt them, and that is what Jane realized. I believe she knew for sure that, despite being an asshole to many survivors, he would not hurt the kids on purpose. The angry Kenny was the danger of allowing the kids to stick with him, because Clementine would not be able to defense herself nor the baby from an enraged Kenny.
Oh, no, I get that completely. I understand why she did what she did. But, as I said above, she created her plot without having taken into consideration of the fact, Kenny, even at his worst, has never been shown to be an actual threat to children. Whether he was in his irrational line of thinking, there was no proof to back up what Jane thought, thus making it all based off her own personal beliefs and not what was the reality.
I argue that it is the better choice, because Jane had a strong will to survive and thrive, while Kenny's will to live fluctuated and was strong only when he took care of somebody else. Having the baby go away from him would lead him to sink into depression yet again, maybe commiting suicide few steps from Wellington, when Jane could be living in his place.
That's true. Kenny's entire will to live is built around protecting others, he needs someone he can be there for in order to motivate him to continue. But if anything, that only proves he would never harm Clem/AJ, because at this point in time, they are just as important to his survival, as he is to theirs. He needs them, and would certainty never attempt to jeopardise that. Jane, on the other hand, does not need others to ensure her continuing desire to live. She doesn't have the same attachment to children, nor any people for that matter, and is in actual fact, more of an independent loner. Her will to live is incredibly strong, I'd never argue that, but it's so strong that she, unlike Ken, would rid herself of a constant liability even if it was someone she may have cared for.
This is only the truth, though I am not sure if you realize that doing everything in somebody's power does not mean much, if anything at all. I opine that Jane's capability to defend herself and others is higher than Kenny, and Jane would actually live in a place with some supplies as opposed to wandering in the woods with Kenny with two duffel bags of supplies. Pragmatically, I think that the kids would be better with Jane.
Well, Kenny had been shown, in season 2, to be a fairly decent fighter, both physically and with firearms, so I'd say, he's a decent candidate to defend himself and the group. This can be shown when he easily subdues Mike, who was indicated as being a fairly strong individual, at Howes, and later, pretty much wipes out the entire Russian group, besides one. I won't deny that Jane is well capable of defending herself, but I'd disagree she's better than Kenny, considering he does eventually, albeit with struggle, overpower her and determinedly, successfully kills her.
Also, Jane's plan of returning to Howes was just as risky as Kenny's goal of reaching Wellington. There could've been Walkers and while, I know that there was wasn't, it was still a risky chance to take, considering there was no way for her to know what state it had been left in. Hell, for all she had know, some of Carver's lot could've still been there after the horde and attempted to get the place back to what it was, or it could've been cleared out by bandits. She had no way of knowing these things, in the same way, Kenny didn't know if Wellington was truly out there.
The thing is that she showed that she protected both of them for nine days and they then settled at a place with supplies. She would not even have to make the decision of dropping them, because they stopped being nomadic. With more people joining a new Howe's Hardware, I believe that the amount of supplies gathered and grown would only grow. We will have to see in Season Three.
I'm not saying she wouldn't protect them, as we all know, Jane does care about Clem. I know she would try her best in ensuring that Clem was well and alive, but if in a situation, where Jane was forced into choosing her own safety or that of AJ, let's say, I could nearly bet she'd ditch him. Also with Howe's - supplies do eventually run out and with the way things work out in the Walking Dead, they'd have to leave eventually, thus ending their nomadic run, and presenting a chance for AJ and maybe, even Clem, to become liabilities and in need of constant protection, something that could damage Jane's own way of living in the apocalypse.
EDIT: Shit, I didn't intent for that to be this long...
Why not, though? What she's doing is pretty much trying to commit murder, even if it is of someone you dislike. I'm curious to understand wh… morey you believe Jane's acts, which in this scenario, are the same as Kenny's, is more justified than his.
I believe that Jane's actions are more justified then Kenny's for the reason that she prompted him to leave three times, and he had the final say about the course of the game when he refused.
Jane could not leave at that point, because Clementine would be left with a man who could—believe me, I know it would be unintentional—snap and hurt anybody at any moment, and walking away would negate her entire plan, momentarily compromising AJ's safety over nothing. Jane could not stay peacefully either, because Kenny was trying to kill her. She had to fight. Why she didn't reveal AJ's whereabouts when she had the chance is out of my understanding, though she appears to be about to speak before Kenny … [view original content]
I believe that Jane's actions are more justified then Kenny's for the reason that she prompted him to leave three times, and he had the fina… morel say about the course of the game when he refused.
While that is true, it can be argued that Jane, who in my view, had know how Kenny would react in the situation, was putting on a show for Clementine, trying to present herself as the victim and Kenny as the aggressor. It could also be that Jane had simply wanted to prompt Clementine to back her up and demand for Kenny to leave as well, that way she'd have proven her point and successfully managed to get rid of him. Either way, I don't think Jane had requested Kenny to leave because she genuinely wanted the fight to end per say, considering she'd predicted it, but that she just wanted to ensure Kenny had no way of coming back from this, at least in Clem's eyes.
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if you choose to do nothing, Kenny manages to kill Jane anyway by taking her knife and stabbing her to death. In this event, Jane is either shot by you, or is killed by Kenny.
This would be a little trickier given that in this situation, it is Jane that's about to finish Kenny off and not the other way around.
B… moreut in this instance, I can see myself just waiting it out instead of shooting Jane, or at the least shout out to Jane to stop and hope that she had the sense to stop herself from going too far now that she had Kenny at her mercy. Even in this situation, Jane still had more right to defend herself from Kenny who would still instigate the fight regardless of what happens, though I imagine that I wouldn't approve of her going as far as to kill Kenny when he's already down.
...Come to think of it, I think I read somewhere a long time ago that these pictures were depicting the original events where if you choose to do nothing, Kenny manages to kill Jane anyway by taking her knife and stabbing her to death. In this event, Jane is either shot by you, or is killed by Kenny.
To be frank, I'm glad Telltale didn't go down this route.
If I remember this right, if it is even true, there was something about a choice to Shoot Jane or not, but not shooting Jane would just have Kenny find the knife and stab her, making it so there was only the ending with Kenny at the end.
Oh what the hell, no, please don't tell me that's true.
If I remember this right, if it is even true, there was something about a choice to Shoot Jane or not, but not shooting Jane would just have… more Kenny find the knife and stab her, making it so there was only the ending with Kenny at the end.
But then, the image above with Clem reaching for the gun that seems like it be a shoot x or y, the problem with that is, what if you didnt do anything? Telltale would then need to choose a definite winner. Also Im guessing it be a headshot, because from that angle, only a headshot would be lethal, which would mean whoever you shoot doesnt get some sad last talk. (Although I guess Jane doesnt get one either way ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
I dont want to be that guy, but the other endings are kinda recycled and not as "complete feeling." Alone ending is just an empty field with walkers. The Jane endings are just Howe's again with 2 recycled model characters. Alone ending just ends as Clem walks into Walkers. The End. Jane ending is just some choice of "Ayy come in fam" or not, which just ends with a fade to black on the new kid or the new kid and Clem. The Kenny endings kinda feel like more of a complete ending. New more detailed area, a more emotional speech, and a choice that seems way more meaningful than "Let this family with a little kid in or not." Also it either fades away to black with Kenny and Clem walking away or the doors shutting on Kenny as he walks away. Its kind of a more "complete" wrap of the story.
If I remember this right, if it is even true, there was something about a choice to Shoot Jane or not, but not shooting Jane would just have… more Kenny find the knife and stab her, making it so there was only the ending with Kenny at the end.
Oh what the hell, no, please don't tell me that's true.
I'll ignore the endings for the time being and focus on the problem
I dug up that pic of Jane riding Kenny because I took it as a sign of dummied out equality between the two. That Kenny could win the fight like in the final version and will either be shot or stab Jane OR Jane could win the fight and will either strangle Kenny or be shot. Having Kenny win either way completely shits on that notion.
I dont want to be that guy, but the other endings are kinda recycled and not as "complete feeling." Alone ending is just an empty field with… more walkers. The Jane endings are just Howe's again with 2 recycled model characters. Alone ending just ends as Clem walks into Walkers. The End. Jane ending is just some choice of "Ayy come in fam" or not, which just ends with a fade to black on the new kid or the new kid and Clem. The Kenny endings kinda feel like more of a complete ending. New more detailed area, a more emotional speech, and a choice that seems way more meaningful than "Let this family with a little kid in or not." Also it either fades away to black with Kenny and Clem walking away or the doors shutting on Kenny as he walks away. Its kind of a more "complete" wrap of the story.
So I mean, maybe its true?
I'll ignore the endings for the time being and focus on the problem
I dug up that pic of Jane riding Kenny because I took it as a sign of… more dummied out equality between the two. That Kenny could win the fight like in the final version and will either be shot or stab Jane OR Jane could win the fight and will either strangle Kenny or be shot. Having Kenny win either way completely shits on that notion.
I would have allowed Jane to choke him to death, though if it had been possible,
To be it seems really odd and hypocritical to want to shoot kenny trying to kill Jane but not shoot Jane trying to kill Kenny. They were both completley lost at the end there.
I would have allowed Jane to choke him to death, though if it had been possible, I would've shot Kenny in the head myself to spare him any f… moreurther suffering.
First of all, I consider it important to note that Kenny attempted to knock Jane out and possibly even kill her under the assumption that she had killed a newborn baby. If we are looking at it as a chain of events, the fight only occurred because he tried to hurt her, but simultaneously, it wouldn't have taken place if it weren't for Jane's plan; this is objective reasoning, not an opinion.
Secondly, I consider that Jane would be a better guardian to Clementine than Kenny ever would, because of the latter's uncontrollable extreme impulses.
Lastly, it has been shown that Kenny had been suffering emotionally, and I opine that he wouldn't have been able to keep up much longer with grief and guilt affecting him as much as it did. A bullet to the head would spare him endless worry wi… [view original content]
Clem was suposed to grab the gun when both Jane and Kenny are grabbing eachother's neck
To be honest I liked what the decided on, Kenny is the one most players were closer to plus I buy him beating Jane in a fight given that her tacitics usually involve trickery while Kenny bullozes through everything
Actually, I think we've all been misinterpreting what these images show us.
Clem was suposed to grab the gun when both Jane and Kenny… more are grabbing eachother's neck. My assumption is that this would probably be a 'Shoot X or Shoot Y' instead of a 'Shoot Jane or Let her kill Kenny' choice!
Someone should do some sniffing in the game's files and see what this really means (I don't have a computer so I'm unable to do anything x.x).
Looking back at it, perhaps it would've been better this way? I don't know...
Its actually hilarious that Chromid's negativity about Kenny makes him/her look just as bad as Kenny. Someone who cannot see the other side of the coin. Just full of hatred tut tut
kenny is a shit stain on this earth, isn't that common knowledge? he can literally get eaten by fifty fire ants. he can get shot in the shou… morelder by arvo. he is a gluttonous heathen that has done nothing but cause harm to anyone who's in a five-foot radius.
would you trust this man with your life?
i sure wouldn't.
for that, i must let jane murder the murder man himself, kenny, the true villian of Telltale's The Walking Dead: Season 2.
(honestly tho i seriously hate kenny with a burning passion, this post isn't even sarcastic)
I would have chosen the option that kept Kenny from hogging a game for his own hypocritical self ever again no matter how it was presented, Jane be damned. I'm so thankful that I don't have to deal with him again. I didn't even think about the choice from a story perspective (though I think from a story perspective it worked too. Kenny is unstable and nobody should have to deal with his crap again. No amount of woe is me story will make me think otherwise. Everyone lost someone in the Walking Dead, and it's not an excuse to go nuts).
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This would be a little trickier given that in this situation, it is Jane that's about to finish Kenny off and not the other way around.
But in this instance, I can see myself just waiting it out instead of shooting Jane, or at the least shout out to Jane to stop and hope that she had the sense to stop herself from going too far now that she had Kenny at her mercy. Even in this situation, Jane still had more right to defend herself from Kenny who would still instigate the fight regardless of what happens, though I imagine that I wouldn't approve of her going as far as to kill Kenny when he's already down.
...Come to think of it, I think I read somewhere a long time ago that these pictures were depicting the original events where if you choose to do nothing, Kenny manages to kill Jane anyway by taking her knife and stabbing her to death. In this event, Jane is either shot by you, or is killed by Kenny.
To be frank, I'm glad Telltale didn't go down this route.
I would have shot Jane.
If Jane were attempting to kill Kenny, then this entire scenario is her fault. As it is now, blame can be shared. Jane instigated the situation, but Kenny was the one that escalated it to violence and murder and Jane lost control of her fabricated situation, sharing faults with Kenny for the outcome. If Jane was the one trying to kill Kenny, then she's the one that had full control of the situation and is guilty on both faults.
I am glad it was not this way though, mostly because it invalidates most of Jane's plan. She wanted to do this to show Clementine how unstable Kenny was so she would leave him. If Jane murdered him, then really all her plan gave her was a dubious excuse to kill him. I never liked Jane, but I can defend her from time to time. She said she never meant for it to go that far, and I believed her. For her to be the one to take her own plan to far, she would become indefensible, in my opinion.
Thanks for your opinion.
I don't don't like Kenny.
I think he needs already get rest in peace for my plot in game.
I don't think Kenny was trying to rape her, just kill her out of some kind of crazed revenge... unless that was a misspell.
If I remember this right, if it is even true, there was something about a choice to Shoot Jane or not, but not shooting Jane would just have Kenny find the knife and stab her, making it so there was only the ending with Kenny at the end.
But then, the image above with Clem reaching for the gun that seems like it be a shoot x or y, the problem with that is, what if you didnt do anything? Telltale would then need to choose a definite winner. Also Im guessing it be a headshot, because from that angle, only a headshot would be lethal, which would mean whoever you shoot doesnt get some sad last talk. (Although I guess Jane doesnt get one either way ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
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your right Kenny wasn't rapping Jane at all. The first time when i shy that aggressive revenge scene. i picnicked so i killed him to protect clementines safety. i did not now any bitter that time. i was not until i read the telltales community. Tune I realize of how wrong i was.
There's really not that much to go on, honestly
Outside of that animation, there's not much else
The only other noteworthy things are a few textures and sounds/animations with some interesting names
For example, Kenny has a texture where he has a broken nose, which isn't used during the fight, and at one point he was going to smash Jane's face into some broken glass, according to the names of some of the files
I'm not smart enough to do all the model/animation swapping, and I basically ruined my save files the last time I attempted it, so I'm not exactly eager to try again
But it was refreshing… I liked it…
[insert sad, violin tune here]
Oh yeah, I tried to swap the salt lick in episode 2 with something else, and it broke the game and corrupted the save files, making me have to replay the entire game again (which I was glad to do, but you know, had to make the time to do it)
I also tried to replace Lee with a tractor once, but that didn't work either, so I just sort of gave up
"How many Kenny's does it take to be incompetent enough to get everyone who loved him killed?"
"One."
I'm not sure if trying to justify Kenny's assumption with another assumption makes Kenny's hunch any more valid.
Anyways, I disagree with your assumption that Jane should be able to get a baby out of a blizzard unharmed easily, here's why:
After getting out of the car the place might've not been dangerous for Clem, but it certainly was a precarious situation for Jane, who was being chased by two walkers while carrying a crying AJ. With both her arms grabbing AJ, she had little she could do to defend herself. There's also the fact that she was walking in snow. Accidentally tripping and letting AJ fall would be easy and probable. The walkers may have not been attacking Clem, sure, but Clem didn't have a crying baby in her arms. And finally, the zombies in the blizzard may have been slower, but they weren't blind. If Clem gets too close to a zombie, they spot her and you get a game over screen. The blizzard might've made Jane harder to spot, but it didn't make her invisible.
Jane was walking in a blizzard with a crying baby attracting walkers, she is unable to protect herself since she has both her arms occupied and she is walking in snow with high chances of tripping and letting AJ fall. That seems pretty dangerous to me.
And even if it wasn't that dangerous of a situation Kenny still shouldn't have assumed such thing without hard proof. I still find it hard to picture how Kenny got to the conclusion that Jane simply stabbed AJ or something. Why would she do such thing? What facts are pointing that way?
Kenny: Lee, you know how to pick a lock, right?
Tractor: No, no! Why would you say that?
Kenny: You're… you know… urban?
Tractor: I'm rural, Kenny, what are you on!
Maybe... but I don't buy it. Jane accidently tripping in the snow? She's just too skilled for that. Clementine didn't even look like tripping. Clementine could afford to also shoot the walkers dead and still not be in much danger. (no disrespect to anyone but the player must have been really bad to get a game over screen there. I didn't even know it was possible lol) The walkers semmed just too slow and too weak to really do much. And Jane could have easily taken those two walkers that were "chasing" her, even with a baby. She probably didn't even bother wasting time because they were so slow.
And if Jane felt there was a lot of danger around those parts, then why leave the kid alone in the first place? If the kid is crying and walkers hear him, an open windowed car is only gonna do so much for him for so long. I just don't think there was enough danger for the kid or Jane to die. And it's very possible that Kenny and Jane both knew this.
How many Kennys does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, they just beat the room for being black urban.
Or alternatively: they all yell at the bulb, call it a shitbird, and blame it for not changing itself
Urban? I don't get it.
I'd understand if he beat the room for being dark, but urban doesn't make a lot of sense admittedly.
11/10, could be better.
You could alternate and have one discussion comment for every fourteen joke comments, or something like that.
The people in your GIFs make me uncomfortable.
But I gotta get my funny level up to 100% so that I rank up to Carlos Mencia level!
When I see that pic..I keep hearing the Nazi from Raiders telling Clementine...."Shoots them...Shoots them both."
It would've been nice to have a choice where Clementine could just leave whilst they were nuking it out.
THANK YOU!
How many Kenny's does it take to drink a gallon of booze?
I would shoot Jane. Because I don't like Jane. And because Kenny is best live character. If had the chance to shoot her while Kenny was holding her down, I would have done it. I'm sticking with Kenny all day every day.
While that is true, it can be argued that Jane, who in my view, had know how Kenny would react in the situation, was putting on a show for Clementine, trying to present herself as the victim and Kenny as the aggressor. It could also be that Jane had simply wanted to prompt Clementine to back her up and demand for Kenny to leave as well, that way she'd have proven her point and successfully managed to get rid of him. Either way, I don't think Jane had requested Kenny to leave because she genuinely wanted the fight to end per say, considering she'd predicted it, but that she just wanted to ensure Kenny had no way of coming back from this, at least in Clem's eyes.
I'll admit that Jane did probably believe Kenny would harm Clementine and possibly, AJ, and that belief is what had motivated her to do what she did, but I think she was wrong. I don't believe Kenny would ever hurt them. I'm not saying he's the best guardian in the world or anything for two small children, as there's no denying he has his issues, but at the same time, there's never been shown an incident where he has done children any damage. Even when he's been at his angriest, Kenny has never hit or assaulted Clem, nor has he put her life in serious danger, unlike, let's say, Jane, who puts her in such events not once, but twice throughout the course of the game. Also as you, yourself, pointed out, Kenny does sometimes do unintentional acts because he snaps and can't control his anger, which can be seen in the fight, so you can't possibly think that after the reveal Jane may have killed AJ in cold blood, that he could possibly be able to take "a moment to calm down"? Of course he should have tried, but you have to look at how he saw the events. He couldn't let someone, who he truly thought was a baby murderer, allow to walk another day even if, that meant he had to kill her, both for the vengeance of AJ's apparent death and the safety of Clem. His intentions were just as well meaning as Jane's were, if not more so, because he'd been led into believing a lie that she had orchestrated.
She's also be shown to be a skilled fighter, so most likely, Jane believed that she'd be able to handle a mentally troubled, one eyed redneck when her plan reached it's final. Of course, she had the knowledge of Kenny's temper, as she witnessed it during Arvo's assaults, the fighting with Mike and Bonnie, and just the overall hot-headed nature of the man. Her entire plan was built around it. She wanted to show Clementine what "he really is", giving her the full image of Kenny's rage at it's worst, where he'd be driven to murderous actions, proving that he was dangerous. That was her plan. The reason she never actually explains AJ's fate is because she doesn't want Kenny to know it, she wants him to jump to conclusions, she wants him to act how she'd already seen multiple times before, so that in the end, Clem would be forced to pick her.
No, it had been based off what she thought Kenny was- too dangerous to be around Clem/AJ, even though there's no proof that he would've been. And that's the 'fact' I was talking about. Kenny never, throughout the whole season, puts Clem in actual harm.
Oh, no, I get that completely. I understand why she did what she did. But, as I said above, she created her plot without having taken into consideration of the fact, Kenny, even at his worst, has never been shown to be an actual threat to children. Whether he was in his irrational line of thinking, there was no proof to back up what Jane thought, thus making it all based off her own personal beliefs and not what was the reality.
That's true. Kenny's entire will to live is built around protecting others, he needs someone he can be there for in order to motivate him to continue. But if anything, that only proves he would never harm Clem/AJ, because at this point in time, they are just as important to his survival, as he is to theirs. He needs them, and would certainty never attempt to jeopardise that. Jane, on the other hand, does not need others to ensure her continuing desire to live. She doesn't have the same attachment to children, nor any people for that matter, and is in actual fact, more of an independent loner. Her will to live is incredibly strong, I'd never argue that, but it's so strong that she, unlike Ken, would rid herself of a constant liability even if it was someone she may have cared for.
Well, Kenny had been shown, in season 2, to be a fairly decent fighter, both physically and with firearms, so I'd say, he's a decent candidate to defend himself and the group. This can be shown when he easily subdues Mike, who was indicated as being a fairly strong individual, at Howes, and later, pretty much wipes out the entire Russian group, besides one. I won't deny that Jane is well capable of defending herself, but I'd disagree she's better than Kenny, considering he does eventually, albeit with struggle, overpower her and determinedly, successfully kills her.
Also, Jane's plan of returning to Howes was just as risky as Kenny's goal of reaching Wellington. There could've been Walkers and while, I know that there was wasn't, it was still a risky chance to take, considering there was no way for her to know what state it had been left in. Hell, for all she had know, some of Carver's lot could've still been there after the horde and attempted to get the place back to what it was, or it could've been cleared out by bandits. She had no way of knowing these things, in the same way, Kenny didn't know if Wellington was truly out there.
I'm not saying she wouldn't protect them, as we all know, Jane does care about Clem. I know she would try her best in ensuring that Clem was well and alive, but if in a situation, where Jane was forced into choosing her own safety or that of AJ, let's say, I could nearly bet she'd ditch him. Also with Howe's - supplies do eventually run out and with the way things work out in the Walking Dead, they'd have to leave eventually, thus ending their nomadic run, and presenting a chance for AJ and maybe, even Clem, to become liabilities and in need of constant protection, something that could damage Jane's own way of living in the apocalypse.
EDIT: Shit, I didn't intent for that to be this long...
Sounds good!
Its funny how Kenny makes people act in general.
Oh s#!+, double post!
...what.
Oh what the hell, no, please don't tell me that's true.
You might not be aware of it but Kenny produced this.
And it's funny.
It is all connected. The prophesy is true.
I dont want to be that guy, but the other endings are kinda recycled and not as "complete feeling." Alone ending is just an empty field with walkers. The Jane endings are just Howe's again with 2 recycled model characters. Alone ending just ends as Clem walks into Walkers. The End. Jane ending is just some choice of "Ayy come in fam" or not, which just ends with a fade to black on the new kid or the new kid and Clem. The Kenny endings kinda feel like more of a complete ending. New more detailed area, a more emotional speech, and a choice that seems way more meaningful than "Let this family with a little kid in or not." Also it either fades away to black with Kenny and Clem walking away or the doors shutting on Kenny as he walks away. Its kind of a more "complete" wrap of the story.
So I mean, maybe its true?
I'll ignore the endings for the time being and focus on the problem
I dug up that pic of Jane riding Kenny because I took it as a sign of dummied out equality between the two. That Kenny could win the fight like in the final version and will either be shot or stab Jane OR Jane could win the fight and will either strangle Kenny or be shot. Having Kenny win either way completely shits on that notion.
Yup, thats probably why it was removed, if thats even true.
No one wants a choice if something says [Shoot Jane] [Dont Shoot Jane] just to go "lol well she gonna die right now anyway man"
I would kill Jane.
Kenny is my old friend nd only family left
To be it seems really odd and hypocritical to want to shoot kenny trying to kill Jane but not shoot Jane trying to kill Kenny. They were both completley lost at the end there.
To be honest I liked what the decided on, Kenny is the one most players were closer to plus I buy him beating Jane in a fight given that her tacitics usually involve trickery while Kenny bullozes through everything
A lot of people seem a bit hypocritical here and it seems to show many killed Kenny just to kill him rather than save Jane.
Its actually hilarious that Chromid's negativity about Kenny makes him/her look just as bad as Kenny. Someone who cannot see the other side of the coin. Just full of hatred tut tut
I would have chosen the option that kept Kenny from hogging a game for his own hypocritical self ever again no matter how it was presented, Jane be damned. I'm so thankful that I don't have to deal with him again. I didn't even think about the choice from a story perspective (though I think from a story perspective it worked too. Kenny is unstable and nobody should have to deal with his crap again. No amount of woe is me story will make me think otherwise. Everyone lost someone in the Walking Dead, and it's not an excuse to go nuts).
THAT IMPOOSIBOLE EVEN TO HAPPEN NO WAY A WOMEN EVEN IF IT IS MICHONNE CAN SHOK A MAN TIL DEATH ITS NOT EVEN REALSTIC