Yeeeah, I'd be lying if I said the go with Kenny ending in particular didn't strike me as a bit of a whiplash.
With Jane endings(watch on other playthroughs of course), I feel as though her apology for endangering AJ and causing Kenny to get himself shot was far more fitting, as Kenny sadly realizes just how far he went chasing a potetially pipe dream and apologizes for making Clementine do what she had to. The idea that, in spite of or perhaps because of the way this turned out, Jane would default to Clementine's wisdom about how they handle Howe's Hardware from that point on kinda humbles her a little. The fact that (as far as I can tell) Clementine can be foreshadowed as becoming a new version of Roman/Carver/Norma except a tad more reasonable, with Jane clearly being a wee bit servile to her whim, probably helps.:smirk_cat:
To be honest I can understand making either choice in the fight, both of them are flawed people. Personally though after doing a full playth… morerough with choosing both sides Kenny's is far worse for me. The way Kenny seems to think he did the right thing is just...chilling. Its very well written that he got to that point but its horrifying
"You didnt have to kill her Kenny"
"Sorry darling but I did...."
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"Then you didnt have to kill her!, you didnt have to kill jane!"
"I did, I had to do it"
What I really have a problem with is Kenny's "endings" after this scene where Kenny is potrayed as a noble hero who sacrifices himself for the kids thats just bizzare continuation and feels undeserved, with a massive happy lovey scene. Kenny is a good character however him being potrayed that way just feels off and a bit like the writers themselves didnt see what a psychopath he is now. Im not saying Jane's endings are much better but t… [view original content]
To be honest I can understand making either choice in the fight, both of them are flawed people. Personally though after doing a full playth… morerough with choosing both sides Kenny's is far worse for me. The way Kenny seems to think he did the right thing is just...chilling. Its very well written that he got to that point but its horrifying
"You didnt have to kill her Kenny"
"Sorry darling but I did...."
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"Then you didnt have to kill her!, you didnt have to kill jane!"
"I did, I had to do it"
What I really have a problem with is Kenny's "endings" after this scene where Kenny is potrayed as a noble hero who sacrifices himself for the kids thats just bizzare continuation and feels undeserved, with a massive happy lovey scene. Kenny is a good character however him being potrayed that way just feels off and a bit like the writers themselves didnt see what a psychopath he is now. Im not saying Jane's endings are much better but t… [view original content]
And to anwser your last question yes if they really wanted to die and its what they wanted and there was nothing I could say or do to change their mind than yes i'll let them die.
so, yeah. You agree with me, after all your righteousness.
I dont care why jane abandoned her sister the act itself made me sick, I dont care if my friend or my family member dosent want to live im … morestill going to try and help them.its the same thing with suicide your not just going to abandon your friend or family member just because they dont want to live anymore your going to help them through it. but thats just my opinion about that, so you can think what she did with her sister was right , but me personally i'd never give up on my friends especially my family even if they dint want to live, whinch is exactly why I chose to stay with kenny till the end, because even though he has problems hes like family to me.
and its obvious by your ignorance,that you dint read my other post before replying,actually I dont agree with you at all because we dont even know if jane is telling the truth about jamie, saying that there was nothing she could do and like I said in my previous post jane has shown to be manipulative, and dishonest, so no Im not going to believe her sob story.
And to anwser your last question yes if they really wanted to die and its what they wanted and there was nothing I could say or do to change their mind than yes i'll let them die.
so, yeah. You agree with me, after all your righteousness.
Honestly now that I think about it when jane told clem about the story of her sister what makes you think she was telling you the truth abou… moret there being no other to way save her sister, your pretty much just taking everything she said at face value, and someone like jane whos shown to be manipulative,dishonest, can you really believe what shes saying?
You're absolutely right that Jane is someone who would gladly bend the truth a bit to buy sympathy, but that's the one thing I know she had to be truthful about: as I mentioned before, any other time Jane tries to appeal to someone or apologize for her actions, it feels shallow. Whenever her sister was brought into the equation, however, her tone completely changed: she'd get pensive, irritable, she'd stutter a bit from stress, and just generally get emotional when otherwise she's pretty stoic.
As much as it pisses me off, the reason she looked down on Sarah and took an interest in C… [view original content]
now that I think about it when jane told clem about the story of her sister what makes you think she was telling you the truth about there being no other to way save her sister, your pretty much just taking everything she said at face value, and someone like jane whos shown to be manipulative,dishonest, can you really believe what shes saying?
Why would she lie about her sister? Why would Sarah's situation in Episode 4 have such a strong effect on her? Why would she get mad/sad at Rebecca's response to her at the beginning of Episode 4 when she mentions her sister? Yeah, she's shown to be manipulative but at this point in time it's only ever been with Troy so that the group can escape. As for being dishonest - she never actually is, even when manipulating Kenny and implying that AJ is dead she never actually lies. In this case, if we don't believe the word of an individual then why should we believe anything anyone says in the game no matter how truthful they may be? After all they could just be manipulating the player's character - we don't know after all.
well you can but im definitely not. especially after you lie about a baby being dead just to start a fight.
Again, Jane never lied about AJ being dead - she's never given a chance to say anything but "I didn't kill him". Also, it was Kenny who attacked Jane after she sheathed her knife - which began the fight.
And to anwser your last question yes if they really wanted to die and its what they wanted and there was nothing I could say or do to change their mind than yes i'll let them die.
So would you blame Jane for leaving Jaime behind since this was the situation (from what we know) or in the case of disbelief, if this was the situation?
So you don't care about her intentions, reasoning or other factors and variables that were included in her decision to leave her sister behi… morend? That's what Jane did - she tried to help her Jaime but she couldn't throw her across the roof - even if she could, she'd risk harming her sister or getting her killed.
NO like I already had said I dont care about her intetions, honestly now that I think about it when jane told clem about the story of her sister what makes you think she was telling you the truth about there being no other to way save her sister, your pretty much just taking everything she said at face value, and someone like jane whos shown to be manipulative,dishonest, can you really believe what shes saying?well you can but im definitely not. especially after you lie about a baby being dead just to start a fight.And to anwser your last question yes if they really wanted to die and its what they wanted and there was nothing I could say or do to change their mind than yes i'll let them die.
Why would she lie about her sister? Why would Sarah's situation in Episode 4 have such a strong effect on her? Why would she get mad/sad at Rebecca's response to her at the beginning of Episode 4 when she mentions her sister? Yeah, she's shown to be manipulative but at this point in time it's only ever been with Troy so that the group can escape. As for being dishonest - she never actually is, even when manipulating Kenny and implying that AJ is dead she never actually lies. In this case, if we don't believe the word of an individual then why should we believe anything anyone says in the game no matter how truthful they may be? After all they could just be manipulating the player's character - we don't know after all.
Like ive already said if you want to believe her sob story than good for you but im not going to believe her bullshit,and nothing anybody says is gonna change that,and what are you talking about jane not being manipulative and dishonest did you seriously not pay any attention to the kenny vs jane fight, she started that whole damn thing all she had to fucking do was bring aj with her, instead jane wants to play a fucking game, to try and manipulate clem into killing kenny, her dishonesty is the fact that she said she killed aj but said it was an accident. even though he was alive,leaving him unprotected for christ sakes!a baby a freaking baby! and it was all part of her stupid plan to get kenny killed, so nope you cant get me to have any kind of understanding for that bitch, fuck jane she played a stupid game and won a stupid prize, getting her ass kicked and getting killed. honestly I have know idea how people can defend this evil bitch I mean what she did to aj was just low. you can say what you want about kenny but he would never endanger an infant baby for his own selfish reasons.
now that I think about it when jane told clem about the story of her sister what makes you think she was telling you the truth about there b… moreeing no other to way save her sister, your pretty much just taking everything she said at face value, and someone like jane whos shown to be manipulative,dishonest, can you really believe what shes saying?
Why would she lie about her sister? Why would Sarah's situation in Episode 4 have such a strong effect on her? Why would she get mad/sad at Rebecca's response to her at the beginning of Episode 4 when she mentions her sister? Yeah, she's shown to be manipulative but at this point in time it's only ever been with Troy so that the group can escape. As for being dishonest - she never actually is, even when manipulating Kenny and implying that AJ is dead she never actually lies. In this case, if we don't believe the word of an individual then why should we believe anything anyone says in the game no… [view original content]
The thing is I dont even mind people still wanting to go with Kenny after this, there are still reasons to want to side with him however the endings just feel rushed and out of place. If Kenny's ending had been finding a ruined city and him saying that he and clem will be alright, I still think it could have worked and his fans would have liked it.
"You didnt have to kill her Kenny"
"Sorry darling but I did...."
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"Then you didnt have to kill her!, you didnt have… more to kill jane!"
"I did, I had to do it"
These has to be the most disturbing lines uttered from Kenny.
honestly I have know idea how people can defend this evil bitch
Well, Jane is a complicated character who doesn't really edge into true evil territory until near the end. We know her backstory, we know she has emotional issues that she's purposefully suppressing, and we know that meeting Clementine is causing her to act outside of her shady nature and do things she wouldn't have done otherwise.
So, there's plenty of room in there for some to see her as a "good" person and defend her. Whether you believe she is or not(like me, sorta) is up to the individual. Can't exactly say that for Carver, though.
Why would she lie about her sister? Why would Sarah's situation in Episode 4 have such a strong effect on her? Why would she get mad/sad at … moreRebecca's response to her at the beginning of Episode 4 when she mentions her sister? Yeah, she's shown to be manipulative but at this point in time it's only ever been with Troy so that the group can escape. As for being dishonest - she never actually is, even when manipulating Kenny and implying that AJ is dead she never actually lies. In this case, if we don't believe the word of an individual then why should we believe anything anyone says in the game no matter how truthful they may be? After all they could just be manipulating the player's character - we don't know after all.
Like ive already said if you want to believe her sob story than good for you but im not going to believe her bullshit,and nothing anybody says is gonna change that,and what are you talking about jane not being manipulative an… [view original content]
if thats the case they should of given carver a chance to redeem himself, because at least hes never endangered a fucking baby to start a fight. and DabigRG I kow that your not a jane fan but the fact that you keep defending what she did saying jane is redemable. and yeah kennys done some fucked up shit but you wont give kenny that same pass and he would never do the shit jane that did.
honestly I have know idea how people can defend this evil bitch
Well, Jane is a complicated character who doesn't really edge into t… morerue evil territory until near the end. We know her backstory, we know she has emotional issues that she's purposefully suppressing, and we know that meeting Clementine is causing her to act outside of her shady nature and do things she wouldn't have done otherwise.
So, there's plenty of room in there for some to see her as a "good" person and defend her. Whether you believe she is or not(like me, sorta) is up to the individual. Can't exactly say that for Carver, though.
As I recall, Carver was willing to shoot the mother of his unborn child (supposedly) because she threatened to leave his community, because he'd rather the child dies than never seeing it again in a classic "if I can't have you, no one can" mindset.
if thats the case they should of given carver a chance to redeem himself, because at least hes never endangered a fucking baby to start a f… moreight. and DabigRG I kow that your not a jane fan but the fact that you keep defending what she did saying jane is redemable. and yeah kennys done some fucked up shit but you wont give kenny that same pass and he would never do the shit jane that did.
As I recall, Carver was willing to shoot the mother of his unborn child (supposedly) because she threatened to leave his community, because he'd rather the child dies than never seeing it again in a classic "if I can't have you, no one can" mindset.
DabigRG I kow that your not a jane fan but the fact that you keep defending what she did saying jane is redemable. and yeah kennys done some fucked up shit but you wont give kenny that same pass and he would never do the shit jane that did.
I'm sorry, either you edited this in after I saw this comment once or it just baffled me so much that it was invisible.
When did I say Kenny wasn't redeemable? While I'm sure someone would try to argue otherwise, I try to believe 90% of the cast is capable of redeeming themselves given enough time and patience. In fact, I recall vouching for Kenny by pointing out his positive traits and disadvantages compared to Jane, who made little to no attempt to hide her self-reliant and versatile, but also callous attitude at first.
Part of my beef with Jane is that I tried to give her a chance to redeem herself after the events of Amid the Ruins, but instead, most of her misdeeds were water under the bridge and then she proceeded to intentionally riled up Kenny by badmouthing the dead, potentially endangered AJ by hiding him in a car in the middle of a snowstorm, and then baited Kenny into a fight that risked all four of their lives just so she could prove a point.
if thats the case they should of given carver a chance to redeem himself, because at least hes never endangered a fucking baby to start a f… moreight. and DabigRG I kow that your not a jane fan but the fact that you keep defending what she did saying jane is redemable. and yeah kennys done some fucked up shit but you wont give kenny that same pass and he would never do the shit jane that did.
DabigRG I kow that your not a jane fan but the fact that you keep defending what she did saying jane is redemable. and yeah kennys done some… more fucked up shit but you wont give kenny that same pass and he would never do the shit jane that did.
I'm sorry, either you edited this in after I saw this comment once or it just baffled me so much that it was invisible.
When did I say Kenny wasn't redeemable? While I'm sure someone would try to argue otherwise, I try to believe 90% of the cast is capable of redeeming themselves given enough time and patience. In fact, I recall vouching for Kenny by pointing out his positive traits and disadvantages compared to Jane, who made little to no attempt to hide her self-reliant and versatile, but also callous attitude at first.
Part of my beef with Jane is that I tried to give her a chance to redeem herself after the events of Amid the Ruins, but instead, most of her misdeeds were water under the b… [view original content]
As I recall, Carver was willing to shoot the mother of his unborn child (supposedly) because she threatened to leave his community, because he'd rather the child dies than never seeing it again in a classic "if I can't have you, no one can" mindset.
but in my opinion, there are certain people, whom he develops an attachment with, that he wouldn't be able to bring himself to harm.
Well, we don't really know this but I'm sure there are.
So, no, I don't believe he'd be able to harm them because without them, he'd have nothing and thus, would be bringing himself more pain.
I think he would be able to, although not intentionally of course. He may not be able to live with himself if he harmed someone he cared about since he would be the reason he had lost another person but that doesn't conclude that he would never be able to hurt them. We've seen the instance of when Kenny can accidentally hit Clementine if she tries to protect Arvo(unintentional) and the instance where Kenny pushes Clementine to the ground(intentional).
Well, yes, in my view, Jane had made the assumption Kenny was a dangerous individual, which to an extent, he is and that he could have harmed Clem or AJ, despite having little proof to back up that point.
I'd argue that Jane's perspective on Kenny being dangerous derived from multiple variables - how he beat Carver to death, his anger towards Clementine at Parker's Run, his treatment of Arvo and determinantly if Clementine tries to help Arvo and gets hurt. One could also say that Jane felt that it was better to go back to Howe's for AJ's sake since they know it exists and that there's baby formula there and because of Kenny's stubbornness, he was risking everyone's lives(specifically Clementine and AJ's) by hunting down a place he only knows through rumors(which is never really explained). I think there's more emphasis on this as well if Clementine actually wants to go to Howe's.
Especially when she technically caused the Russians to come after them and had fled previous.
I personally don't blame Jane for this, specifically since Arvo accuses the group of stealing medicine regardless after he tried to hide it for an unexplained reason. If anything, the gunfight was due to two major factors - the Russian group deciding to stay in the same spot for multiple days waiting for the main group(or possibly any group) to ambush - since regardless of when the group leaves they always encounter the Russian group at the same area. The second major factor being that the main group never make their way towards the town - at least I think they might have went off course(it's likely as they never mention the town again).
There's also the facture that later on, during the fight Kenny and her had in the car, Jane brought up his family, causing him to outright dislike her and automatically think the worse of her afterwards.
Yeah, that would explain Kenny's innate anger towards Jane near the end of Episode 5 but it is still a bit irrational and in a sense hypocritical as Kenny treats Jane badly at the beginning of the argument and even when the argument temporarily ends - choosing to try and find Wellington instead of Howe's, telling her to keep her feet off the dash when she stopped arguing and then going on to say to her "Oh, I know exactly what you are. Nothin'. Nobody cares about you, and you don't care about nobody but yourself. That makes you nothin'." - and that's a very sensitive topic towards Jane, not to mention that it's also a rude and provocative comment regardless but I do agree that Jane's reply about Kenny's family was similarly horrible.
I think, with Kenny's character, he always has to find someone or something, to blame for how things went to shit, and in this case, it was Arvo. Arvo was, in Kenny's mind, the cause for Rebbeca's and Luke's deaths, and Clem falling into the river, even though most likely, it wasn't. I don't believe he wants to feel superior, though I won't deny that he's a fan of being in the leadership position, just that he needs something to blame.
That, to me personally, sounds both just as irrational and horrible - blaming an individual for problems they didn't actually cause. If Kenny always requires an individual to blame for his problems, then who would he blame if he was with AJ and Clementine? If what you say is true about Kenny then that means Clementine would inevitably become the person he blames his problems on(again). Whilst I can understand general anger towards Arvo due to the ambush - blaming him for Rebecca, Luke and Clementine? He had nothing to do with the deaths of the three.
Well, she gave the indication that the child was dead and when he went out to search for AJ, seeing him nowhere, Kenny's lack of trust in Jane made him jump to the conclusion that she was responsible. All he needed was the belief that AJ was dead, which Jane could've tried to put a stop to by confirming the opposite. It has to be reminded that Kenny wasn't really thinking things through.
Not really sure how Kenny expected to see AJ in the midst of a blizzard just by walking a couple of feet from the Pit Stop and looking outwards for a few seconds. Whilst I agree that it was Jane who held back the truth, I personally think that at that point, Kenny wouldn't have cared what Jane tried to tell him as he automatically accuses her of killing AJ(not thinking of the possibility that he could've died in all the cold, although gotta hand it to AJ for his immunity towards the cold) and when Jane replies by saying "I didn't kill him", Kenny replies back "Liar" - although it is impossible to know how Kenny would've reacted had Jane decided to tell him that AJ was alive, I think both of their actions are hardly justifiable at that point in time.
but what I meant was that Kenny, really, was the only one who seemed to have a long term plan- find Wellington. Jane didn't really suggest going to Howe's until the last episode.
Well, the Cabin Group had their own plans of where to venture off to - I forgot where it was exactly but I know they can tell Kenny where they plan to go to in Episode 2 during the difficult 'Dinner Decision'. Whilst Kenny did have a plan - did he really plan it out though? He didn't know where Wellington was aside from "up north" and we really don't know where he got his information from, not to mention knowing nothing about Wellington itself, whilst in the end his plan seemed to be a good one - at the time, he had little to go on and was taking a tremendous risk - and he made others take that risk with him as well. As for Jane's plan to return to Howe's - they literally just left Howe's and not long after Jane decided it was best to leave and then she came back to the group and brought up her plan when the group first discussed where they were going to go - when Kenny finds the vehicle and brings up the discussion/argument.
Anyway, good discussion, though if I missed any of your points, it was because I tried to make that shorter, which hopefully it is.
Indeed, don't worry if you missed any points - I write too much so I can understand if that happens xD
I'll respect your beliefs but I can't say I agree with them - I do think there's a good possibility that Kenny does have mental issues (alth… moreough debatabley everyone may have one) but if he has and he isn't stable that only emphasizes how dangerous he is and he is capable of unintentionally harming the people he loves - whilst I think Kenny should be sympathized or empathized with, it is still clear that he is a dangerous individual.
Yes, Kenny is dangerous and there are many instances where he doesn't seem to be able to control his anger, but in my opinion, there are certain people, whom he develops an attachment with, that he wouldn't be able to bring himself to harm. Kenny's will to live is often stemmed from his desire to protect someone, which was why he became more unstable after Duck and Kat's deaths. Once Clem and later AJ came into focus with his life, they once again, gave him his purpose, so if he did harm them, it'd pretty … [view original content]
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Whenever I see Kenny/Jane threads:
Yeeeah, I'd be lying if I said the go with Kenny ending in particular didn't strike me as a bit of a whiplash.
With Jane endings(watch on other playthroughs of course), I feel as though her apology for endangering AJ and causing Kenny to get himself shot was far more fitting, as Kenny sadly realizes just how far he went chasing a potetially pipe dream and apologizes for making Clementine do what she had to. The idea that, in spite of or perhaps because of the way this turned out, Jane would default to Clementine's wisdom about how they handle Howe's Hardware from that point on kinda humbles her a little. The fact that (as far as I can tell) Clementine can be foreshadowed as becoming a new version of Roman/Carver/Norma except a tad more reasonable, with Jane clearly being a wee bit servile to her whim, probably helps.:smirk_cat:
These has to be the most disturbing lines uttered from Kenny.
And to anwser your last question yes if they really wanted to die and its what they wanted and there was nothing I could say or do to change their mind than yes i'll let them die.
so, yeah. You agree with me, after all your righteousness.
and its obvious by your ignorance,that you dint read my other post before replying,actually I dont agree with you at all because we dont even know if jane is telling the truth about jamie, saying that there was nothing she could do and like I said in my previous post jane has shown to be manipulative, and dishonest, so no Im not going to believe her sob story.
I still wont believe her especially after that shit she pulled with Aj.
Kenny is life
Why would she lie about her sister? Why would Sarah's situation in Episode 4 have such a strong effect on her? Why would she get mad/sad at Rebecca's response to her at the beginning of Episode 4 when she mentions her sister? Yeah, she's shown to be manipulative but at this point in time it's only ever been with Troy so that the group can escape. As for being dishonest - she never actually is, even when manipulating Kenny and implying that AJ is dead she never actually lies. In this case, if we don't believe the word of an individual then why should we believe anything anyone says in the game no matter how truthful they may be? After all they could just be manipulating the player's character - we don't know after all.
Again, Jane never lied about AJ being dead - she's never given a chance to say anything but "I didn't kill him". Also, it was Kenny who attacked Jane after she sheathed her knife - which began the fight.
So would you blame Jane for leaving Jaime behind since this was the situation (from what we know) or in the case of disbelief, if this was the situation?
Why would she lie about her sister? Why would Sarah's situation in Episode 4 have such a strong effect on her? Why would she get mad/sad at Rebecca's response to her at the beginning of Episode 4 when she mentions her sister? Yeah, she's shown to be manipulative but at this point in time it's only ever been with Troy so that the group can escape. As for being dishonest - she never actually is, even when manipulating Kenny and implying that AJ is dead she never actually lies. In this case, if we don't believe the word of an individual then why should we believe anything anyone says in the game no matter how truthful they may be? After all they could just be manipulating the player's character - we don't know after all.
Like ive already said if you want to believe her sob story than good for you but im not going to believe her bullshit,and nothing anybody says is gonna change that,and what are you talking about jane not being manipulative and dishonest did you seriously not pay any attention to the kenny vs jane fight, she started that whole damn thing all she had to fucking do was bring aj with her, instead jane wants to play a fucking game, to try and manipulate clem into killing kenny, her dishonesty is the fact that she said she killed aj but said it was an accident. even though he was alive,leaving him unprotected for christ sakes!a baby a freaking baby! and it was all part of her stupid plan to get kenny killed, so nope you cant get me to have any kind of understanding for that bitch, fuck jane she played a stupid game and won a stupid prize, getting her ass kicked and getting killed. honestly I have know idea how people can defend this evil bitch I mean what she did to aj was just low. you can say what you want about kenny but he would never endanger an infant baby for his own selfish reasons.
...Not as cold as Kenny's corpse.
The thing is I dont even mind people still wanting to go with Kenny after this, there are still reasons to want to side with him however the endings just feel rushed and out of place. If Kenny's ending had been finding a ruined city and him saying that he and clem will be alright, I still think it could have worked and his fans would have liked it.
Thank you for posting this. And the reasons are here
Twdkenny
Well, Jane is a complicated character who doesn't really edge into true evil territory until near the end. We know her backstory, we know she has emotional issues that she's purposefully suppressing, and we know that meeting Clementine is causing her to act outside of her shady nature and do things she wouldn't have done otherwise.
So, there's plenty of room in there for some to see her as a "good" person and defend her. Whether you believe she is or not(like me, sorta) is up to the individual. Can't exactly say that for Carver, though.
if thats the case they should of given carver a chance to redeem himself, because at least hes never endangered a fucking baby to start a fight. and DabigRG I kow that your not a jane fan but the fact that you keep defending what she did saying jane is redemable. and yeah kennys done some fucked up shit but you wont give kenny that same pass and he would never do the shit jane that did.
As I recall, Carver was willing to shoot the mother of his unborn child (supposedly) because she threatened to leave his community, because he'd rather the child dies than never seeing it again in a classic "if I can't have you, no one can" mindset.
You beat me by two minutes.
I'm sorry, either you edited this in after I saw this comment once or it just baffled me so much that it was invisible.
When did I say Kenny wasn't redeemable? While I'm sure someone would try to argue otherwise, I try to believe 90% of the cast is capable of redeeming themselves given enough time and patience. In fact, I recall vouching for Kenny by pointing out his positive traits and disadvantages compared to Jane, who made little to no attempt to hide her self-reliant and versatile, but also callous attitude at first.
Part of my beef with Jane is that I tried to give her a chance to redeem herself after the events of Amid the Ruins, but instead, most of her misdeeds were water under the bridge and then she proceeded to intentionally riled up Kenny by badmouthing the dead, potentially endangered AJ by hiding him in a car in the middle of a snowstorm, and then baited Kenny into a fight that risked all four of their lives just so she could prove a point.
sorry my bad I dint read your previous posts about that.
yeah your right my mistake. I forgot that he did do that
And here as well.
It's cool, I guess. These Kenny vs. Jane discussion usually devolve into a clusterfuck or grey boxes.
Well, F@(@ you too, pal!
Sarah is almost certainly my apex favorite character from Season 2 and one of my favorite TWDG characters in general.
I know it was probably a joke but I thought I'd speak up anyway.
Not anymore
Does she shoot him in the head in that scene?
Metaphors had never been so accurate.
*Kenny gives life
Obviously.
Really?
Straight savage.
The draw distance kinda screwed with my eyesight a bit initially, but I can see clearly now.
Eh. Don't know how I feel about that, honestly.
To be fair, those last two kinda brought it on themselves. Not exactly a good idea to rile up a one-eyed hothead waiting to break down.
Kenny is a Death Note confirmed.
He gives ones not good enough for him, a new life in heaven. And destroys fiends like Larry and Carver. What a hero.
Indeed
Well, we don't really know this but I'm sure there are.
I think he would be able to, although not intentionally of course. He may not be able to live with himself if he harmed someone he cared about since he would be the reason he had lost another person but that doesn't conclude that he would never be able to hurt them. We've seen the instance of when Kenny can accidentally hit Clementine if she tries to protect Arvo(unintentional) and the instance where Kenny pushes Clementine to the ground(intentional).
I'd argue that Jane's perspective on Kenny being dangerous derived from multiple variables - how he beat Carver to death, his anger towards Clementine at Parker's Run, his treatment of Arvo and determinantly if Clementine tries to help Arvo and gets hurt. One could also say that Jane felt that it was better to go back to Howe's for AJ's sake since they know it exists and that there's baby formula there and because of Kenny's stubbornness, he was risking everyone's lives(specifically Clementine and AJ's) by hunting down a place he only knows through rumors(which is never really explained). I think there's more emphasis on this as well if Clementine actually wants to go to Howe's.
I personally don't blame Jane for this, specifically since Arvo accuses the group of stealing medicine regardless after he tried to hide it for an unexplained reason. If anything, the gunfight was due to two major factors - the Russian group deciding to stay in the same spot for multiple days waiting for the main group(or possibly any group) to ambush - since regardless of when the group leaves they always encounter the Russian group at the same area. The second major factor being that the main group never make their way towards the town - at least I think they might have went off course(it's likely as they never mention the town again).
Yeah, that would explain Kenny's innate anger towards Jane near the end of Episode 5 but it is still a bit irrational and in a sense hypocritical as Kenny treats Jane badly at the beginning of the argument and even when the argument temporarily ends - choosing to try and find Wellington instead of Howe's, telling her to keep her feet off the dash when she stopped arguing and then going on to say to her "Oh, I know exactly what you are. Nothin'. Nobody cares about you, and you don't care about nobody but yourself. That makes you nothin'." - and that's a very sensitive topic towards Jane, not to mention that it's also a rude and provocative comment regardless but I do agree that Jane's reply about Kenny's family was similarly horrible.
That, to me personally, sounds both just as irrational and horrible - blaming an individual for problems they didn't actually cause. If Kenny always requires an individual to blame for his problems, then who would he blame if he was with AJ and Clementine? If what you say is true about Kenny then that means Clementine would inevitably become the person he blames his problems on(again). Whilst I can understand general anger towards Arvo due to the ambush - blaming him for Rebecca, Luke and Clementine? He had nothing to do with the deaths of the three.
Not really sure how Kenny expected to see AJ in the midst of a blizzard just by walking a couple of feet from the Pit Stop and looking outwards for a few seconds. Whilst I agree that it was Jane who held back the truth, I personally think that at that point, Kenny wouldn't have cared what Jane tried to tell him as he automatically accuses her of killing AJ(not thinking of the possibility that he could've died in all the cold, although gotta hand it to AJ for his immunity towards the cold) and when Jane replies by saying "I didn't kill him", Kenny replies back "Liar" - although it is impossible to know how Kenny would've reacted had Jane decided to tell him that AJ was alive, I think both of their actions are hardly justifiable at that point in time.
Well, the Cabin Group had their own plans of where to venture off to - I forgot where it was exactly but I know they can tell Kenny where they plan to go to in Episode 2 during the difficult 'Dinner Decision'. Whilst Kenny did have a plan - did he really plan it out though? He didn't know where Wellington was aside from "up north" and we really don't know where he got his information from, not to mention knowing nothing about Wellington itself, whilst in the end his plan seemed to be a good one - at the time, he had little to go on and was taking a tremendous risk - and he made others take that risk with him as well. As for Jane's plan to return to Howe's - they literally just left Howe's and not long after Jane decided it was best to leave and then she came back to the group and brought up her plan when the group first discussed where they were going to go - when Kenny finds the vehicle and brings up the discussion/argument.
Indeed, don't worry if you missed any points - I write too much so I can understand if that happens xD