Subject Name:Kenny
Profession:Fisherman****
Known crimes:
* Left a young man to die
* helped bring that demon spawn duck into the … moreworld
* Murder of Larry
* Bogarting of cool train engineering job
* Being a dick
* Advocating the murder of a teenager
* Faking death
* Causing the death of Walter and possibly Alvin.
* Getting his ass kicked by a truck door
* Abuse of a corpse...though we find it understandable
* Abuse of a teenager
* Owner of a pedostache
In Episode 3, Luke suggested leaving people behind(not specifically just Kenny) because they were injured and that night was the night Bonnie chose to help them and the herd came to Howe's - which were big parts of their escape plan.
In Episode 4, they were all distant from Kenny, talking about his well-being, not sure how that's such a bad thing. They only talk bad about Kenny in Episode 5 when he constantly picks on Arvo and disregards everyone's ideas.
Ok.....I have stated many times why I hate Kenny the person....now this may sound strange....but I love Kenny the character.
How can this be?
Kenny is very conflicted and tormented character....He will try to be the good guy when in reality, Lee said it best. Kenny you are no hero.
Before the apocalypse, you get an idea of the kind of family man he is. Aloof...loves his family but absolutely is thankful he can be away from them while out fishing. He may be one of the many people who feel that marriage and the bliss that goes with it...gets tiring.
When the apocalypse happens he takes it as a sign that he needs to do anything and everything to make sure his family lives. It is through this act that he seeks personal redemption for being aloof.
Every action in season one, the anger...leaving Shawn to die, even murdering Larry is justified in his mind. His family is not in the meat locker, he lets his frustrations and fear get excised by the act of killing Larry. On some level there is the idea of revenge...one he will never admit to.
The loss of the motel and the Duck situation. Kenny has failed. Keeping the train moving and not going to the boxcar is classical denial. I had Lee beat some sense into him, it was in my opinion the only thing Kenny would respond to with that much grief and shock.
Redemption....Ben Paul, the most destructive person in season one is responsible for the deaths of Kat and Duck...and Carley or Doug and the Loss of Lilly. Kenny is all for killing the shitbird and really you cannot blame him...but if you as a player refuse to let Ben die at the school, then you get Kenny's best ending. Kenny at Ben have it out. And finally Kenny is on his redemption arc. Kenny who has made more than a few questionable choices redeems himself by going to help Ben.
As character arcs go it is a pretty sweet and hopeful one. No matter how far he fell, he came back to being a good person.
Now so why the hate for Kenny. When I play the game and comment on Kenny...I am doing so from the perspective of someone who was trying to protect a little girl and while we were in that meat locker, Larry whom I detest has an attack. Lilly who I rearguard as a friend begged me to help her save her dad...the one member of her family she has left. Kenny's action of course kills Larry...but it also terrorized Clementine...and broke Lilly's heart and sent her into a mental breakdown.
Kenny is no hero, but is a Damn amazing character..He is an asshole, but in the end he is redeemed.
That was until season two....and I really did not care for him in season two as a character.
Beating in Carver's face wasn't crazy. It was vengeance and someone who beat you until you couldn't see out of your eye you'd probably want to beat to death too.
Not everyone would go down that person's level, if anything, a quick death would've been enough for Carver, rather than wasting time beating him until his face is mashed. Crazy? Perhaps not. Irrational? Quite so.
Arvo nearly had them all killed and shouldn't have gotten off with no punishment and then pretty much caused Luke's death as well, in TODAY's society that wouldn't fly in most places.
Except that it doesn't take place in today's society and even then you are quite wrong, allot of people have gotten away with murder - which sucks. Also, Arvo did not cause Luke's death, I don't care how people try to link it back to him, Arvo did not have the power to crack the ice beneath Luke and the group were not forced to cross over the lake or go to Arvo's house.
Now blaming Clementine for Sarita's death was totally uncalled for.
Not at all if Clementine actually cut Sarita's arm off with a bloody hatchet in the middle of a walker horde - Sarita could've bled to death if she wasn't bitten then and there because of Clementine's actions.
Did Kenny do anything wrong? Of course he did he's human, more human than all of the other character's in Season 2.
I think they're all the same amount of human, or pixels if you prefer.
Btw this whole "oh boo he killed jane he tried to kill her with no evidence" is bullshit. He asked her where AJ was like five times and looked outside himself. There's was no telling if the baby was dead or alive but it was sure to be dead sooner than later with that blizzard out and walkers everywhere.
But Kenny did try to kill Jane after accusing her of killing AJ without any evidence and not even letting her explain what had happened. As for the blizzard and walkers predicaments? There were no walkers around and considering how Kenny kept AJ with him in the cold earlier, I think AJ's chances of surviving the cold whilst in a car would've been pretty good. Don't get me wrong, I might like Jane but I still think her plan with AJ was indeed executed poorly.
But Jane was the one trying to kill Kenny however that's the whole reason she hid AJ, to either kill him or make him leave.
She made it pretty clear that her intentions were to test Kenny and how far he'd go to hurt people when angry - the whole fight scene highlighted how at that moment in time, Kenny didn't care about Clementine at all, all he cared about was perceived vengeance in AJ's name. If anything, they were both trying to kill each other. Still wish there was an option for both to have lived.
I want to come here and stop the bashing on Kenny for once. Kenny isn't crazy. He's realistic and any person that has went through what he's… more went through would find themselves on the edge. Beating in Carver's face wasn't crazy. It was vengeance and someone who beat you until you couldn't see out of your eye you'd probably want to beat to death too. Especially if they're holding you against your will to be their little slave. Beating up Arvo was indeed too much however and unnecessary but not uncalled for. Arvo nearly had them all killed and shouldn't have gotten off with no punishment and then pretty much caused Luke's death as well, in TODAY's society that wouldn't fly in most places. Now blaming Clementine for Sarita's death was totally uncalled for. And Kenny apologized for that fact, he realized he was wrong and apologized and said he should've went with her the entire time, that she was his light in his darkness so I don't see how he was… [view original content]
Ok.....I have stated many times why I hate Kenny the person....now this may sound strange....but I love Kenny the character.
How can this… more be?
Kenny is very conflicted and tormented character....He will try to be the good guy when in reality, Lee said it best. Kenny you are no hero.
Before the apocalypse, you get an idea of the kind of family man he is. Aloof...loves his family but absolutely is thankful he can be away from them while out fishing. He may be one of the many people who feel that marriage and the bliss that goes with it...gets tiring.
When the apocalypse happens he takes it as a sign that he needs to do anything and everything to make sure his family lives. It is through this act that he seeks personal redemption for being aloof.
Every action in season one, the anger...leaving Shawn to die, even murdering Larry is justified in his mind. His family is not in the meat locker, he lets his frustrations and fear ge… [view original content]
Kenny was still the best character by a long way in season 2 imo, despite his constant conflict with the group and despite being a better character in season 1. He had it all... charisma, badassery, controversy, hard hitting emotional moments and just generally being a driving force of entertainment in the games. He was funny without feeling like a comedy character or being written soley to provide comic relief... man the guy just had everything that you need to be a great character.
That was until season two....and I really did not care for him in season two as a character.
Yes it's just a shame the writers for season 2 made him out to be 10 times worse.
Thanks! When I saw you in my feed, my pulse lowered, and the world became blurry. I thought I was about to get shreked with the force of 1,000 pimp hands.
And uh...to be creepy, but your username turns me on. Never before in this tragic existence I call life have I beheld such a beautiful pun. Brings tears to my eyes...Truly stunning...
FINALLY, a comment that articulately lists the good and bad of Kenny's character without fabricating anything or pushing butt-rupturing idiot Jane into a limelight of comparisons!
Pinch me I must be dreaming!
Thanks a bunch for the response, I had no ideal I have that kind of effect on people.
But you deserve the likes cause the stuff you said was genuine and interesting. You didn't need to lower your points and demonize other people in order to bring Kenny up, you didn't need to project, and you kept pragmatism at the forefront.
And although "you smart," I need to slap you one for thinking a name as shit as Everyone'sClemInTime has any kind of appealing qualifications once so ever.
Thanks! When I saw you in my feed, my pulse lowered, and the world became blurry. I thought I was about to get shreked with the force of 1,0… more00 pimp hands.
And uh...to be creepy, but your username turns me on. Never before in this tragic existence I call life have I beheld such a beautiful pun. Brings tears to my eyes...Truly stunning...
It is actually my grandmother who watches those, and no, she is Chilean.
But we shouldn't talk about it anymore! The last time Turkey had a fucking coup attempt.
Too bad he and Jane came at the cost of downplaying and eventually aborting pretty much everything the Season was supposed to be developing, including Clementine.
Kenny was still the best character by a long way in season 2 imo, despite his constant conflict with the group and despite being a better ch… morearacter in season 1. He had it all... charisma, badassery, controversy, hard hitting emotional moments and just generally being a driving force of entertainment in the games. He was funny without feeling like a comedy character or being written soley to provide comic relief... man the guy just had everything that you need to be a great character.
Too bad he and Jane came at the cost of downplaying and eventually aborting pretty much everything the Season was supposed to be developing, including Clementine.
I didn't mean the shreked comment in a bad way. Your comments are hilarious. I just knew that if there was a flaw in my argument, you'd pretty much destroy me debate-wise.
About the pun, I will escort you to a quote:
this tragic existence I call life
You don't know how much I've missed in life. Some guys have all the luck. I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart-attacks put me to sleep. Bad puns are the only things that give me life. They are my light, my darkness, my everything.
And didn't you mention/joke a few times that you came up with that username when you were drunk? Keep drinking, never stay sober.
~Wisdom from Kenny726
Thanks a bunch for the response, I had no ideal I have that kind of effect on people.
But you deserve the likes cause the stuff you said … morewas genuine and interesting. You didn't need to lower your points and demonize other people in order to bring Kenny up, you didn't need to project, and you kept pragmatism at the forefront.
And although "you smart," I need to slap you one for thinking a name as shit as Everyone'sClemInTime has any kind of appealing qualifications once so ever.
Episodes needed to be longer. Big reason why season 1 was better than season 2. I don't think it is Kenny or Jane's fault for the failure of the cabin group because I didn't see much developing with the cabin group anyhow. A bunch of guys running and hiding from a guy named Carver couldn't have been the whole storyline for the game.
Too bad he and Jane came at the cost of downplaying and eventually aborting pretty much everything the Season was supposed to be developing, including Clementine.
Game of Thrones was 6 episodes and Minecraft was 8. I can see season 3 being longer than 5 episodes. Tell Tale even said that season 2 could have been better, I don't see season 3 being bad at all. I agree Deltino and that is why season 1 was captivating. Season 2 kind of dragged on from episode to episode.
I don't even think it's Kenny/Jane's fault for the problems with the season. I feel the biggest drawback was the fact that S2 was a more free-form story. They didn't really have an end-game in mind. The season felt like it was something they were making up as they went along. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but if S2 were to be considered an experiment, I don't think I would necessarily consider it a success.
I don't feel Kenny took any development away from the cabin group; it feels more like by episode 3, no one knew what to do with the cabin group. They spent this time trying to develop them for the past two episodes, but by the time they reached episode 3, it's like they ran out of road for them. It's like, they had an idea where these characters would be by the time Carver came and captured them, but they didn't really consider where to go after that plot point played out.
Character development works best when you have an end-game in mind, or at the very least, some kind of end point for the character themselves; a trajectory for where they'll be later down the line. When you're making things up as you go, it gets a lot harder to write a cohesive arc for anyone, because it gets all the more harder to pin-point where this character will land. Imagine you have a cannon. If you keep it in one position, it's easy to calculate where it'll approximately land. Game development tends to go through a lot of shifts throughout the process, so pinning down exactly what a game is going to look like by the end of development isn't always an easy task. If things come up, or you just come up with new ideas, you can alter the course the game is taking mid-flight. Now generally, if you have a specific end-point in mind, you can compensate for such changes. But when the end isn't that clear, it becomes tougher to determine.
Combine the lack of an end-game with multiple writers, and it gets even harder to manage. At that point, it's like the blind leading the blind; one guy with only a faint idea of where he's taking the story hands it off to a guy that has their own faint idea of where they're going. Multiple writers isn't the problem; it's the lack of a shared goal between them. With S1, we were building towards the ending scene from day one. Everyone knew that was going to be the final destination. In S2, they lacked that end goal of where everyone would be by then. I remember reading that they were planning on doing multiple endings from the beginning, and that that's probably the furthest they thought the 'ending' through; that there'd be some major climactic choice that would branch off into multiple different endings. But they had no clue what that climactic choice would be, or what those different endings themselves would be. Or more simply put; they planned for some big choice at the end of episode 5 where Clementine would have to choose between people, but they had no idea who said people would be until later in development. The infamous 'pizza vs ice cream' choice was something they likely decided on from the beginning, but they didn't actually decide on who the two characters would be until they were already working on episode 4.
Look at it this way; the end of S1 was something that was determined from the start. It was always in the plan for the game to end with that scene with Lee and Clementine. As a result, it was clear where Lee and Clementine would be as characters by the end of the game. It provides a very specific point of reference for the team to aim towards.
In S2, there really wasn't an end-goal in mind, at least, not a super concrete one. You could argue that Wellington acted as a goal, but even then, it wasn't an end-all solution. For the most part, it felt like S2's main objective was to just survive. And by extension, they robs the characters of a clear trajectory for where they'll be 2-5 episodes from now. For Lee, it's a case of trying to showcase a redemption story; take Lee from the back of a police car, to him laying his life down for the sake of Clementine. With Luke, take him from being a friendly, compassionate survivor to... what, exactly?
And there's the problem; he didn't have a projected end point. It feels like the only clear goal they had for his character by episode 5 was for him to still be alive. Nothing concrete on how he would be different, how his motivations would have changed, how he would be affected by the events... just that he would still be above ground.
Too bad he and Jane came at the cost of downplaying and eventually aborting pretty much everything the Season was supposed to be developing, including Clementine.
I always feel like I'm pretty much one of the few who likes Kenny's character in season 2. Hell, maybe even more than season 1 because we get a better view to explore him and how the effects his family's deaths and the shitty world, have brought him to a point where he is, virtually, broken, but still holding on for those he loves. I liked that they made him more extreme because it made even me, quite the Kenny fan, to question his motives and wonder whether he was right about certain things, though I did mostly end up believing majority of his acts were. He was unhinged, but still at heart, a good person, willing to do anything to protect those he loves, but often doing so with questionable means, and I liked that direction.
I felt with him being more unstable, more unpredictable, made him a more interesting character overall, and even if sometimes he was a complete dick, I still believe the writers portrayed Kenny as a good person, just one with serious issues. I'll admit, though, he could've had more good moments as well, to remind us that he was still the same person with pretty much the same intentions as season 1.
That was until season two....and I really did not care for him in season two as a character.
Yes it's just a shame the writers for season 2 made him out to be 10 times worse.
I always feel like I'm pretty much one of the few who likes Kenny's character in season 2. Hell, maybe even more than season 1 because we ge… moret a better view to explore him and how the effects his family's deaths and the shitty world, have brought him to a point where he is, virtually, broken, but still holding on for those he loves. I liked that they made him more extreme because it made even me, quite the Kenny fan, to question his motives and wonder whether he was right about certain things, though I did mostly end up believing majority of his acts were. He was unhinged, but still at heart, a good person, willing to do anything to protect those he loves, but often doing so with questionable means, and I liked that direction.
I felt with him being more unstable, more unpredictable, made him a more interesting character overall, and even if sometimes he was a complete dick, I still believe the writers portrayed Kenny as a good person, just … [view original content]
Oh, is that really one of the problems? I recall hearing that once somewhere else but I didn't put much thought into it. All that can be said about that is two words: TIme! Management!
I don't think it is Kenny or Jane's fault for the failure of the cabin group because I didn't see much developing with the cabin group anyhow.
At least Rebecca, Nick, and Sarah were definitely established with the intention to develop their storylines in mind, but the way they ended up being executed was mixed. I have yet to see anyone more than one person(zombiebonnie) say they legitimately liked Rebecca and she had the most complete(if a bit by the numbers) storyline of the three, Nick had a concretated effort put into integrating his story arc into Episode 2 before being drastically scaled back to having less screentime than Mike or Sarita in Episode 3 and then killed offscreen in Episode 4, and Sarah (in my potentially biased opinion) had the most balanced screentime for development before she was just moodwhiplashingly aborted without a proper conclusion to her arc, something I think even Nick managed to cobble together.
Call it retroactive backlash on my part(especially since I literally played through in June) but the drastic amount of effort those two have compared to everyone else is like 4:1.[I had to step away from the laptop for a bit and forgot my point, ] There should have been more effort into telling their story while also making sure the other characters got a chance to shine.
A bunch of guys running and hiding from a guy named Carver couldn't have been the whole storyline for the game.
Kinda reminds me of my skepticism with people who disparagedly claim that Nate would've been this amazing villain when really he's more of a nuisance who only works in short bursts.
I mentioned my thoughts on this somewhere else so I'll try to edit it in. EDIT: Whaddya know? It was a conversation I had with you!
Well, unfortunately, that's sounds like a problem with the writing. Reusing an old character should not come at the expense of developing a new set of relatively blank slates, especially if it causes your character focus roster to become so unbalanced in their favor that the protagonist themselves suffer for it.
However, if the characters just weren't resonating with some people, that is a problem in and unto itself. Again, though, one would expect for the characters to grow and endear as the episodes progress; after all Season 1 Episode 2 was similarly paced and was also a contender for the best episode of the Season.
I came into this Season relatively blind outside of a few broad expectations and vague spoilers. The general premise was that Clementine helps a group of refugees escape the tyranny of an evil settlement leader and make their way to safety. While Kenny had more prominence than I assumed, episode 3 manage to stick with this arc despite missing out on several other opportunities. And then as soon as Jane is brought into the spotlight..., it's not immediate, but the Cabin Group almost gets completely forgotten by the end of the penultimate episode. That is a serious problem.
Oh yeah, sure! I'd expect the story to give some focus on other characters like Walter, Bonnie, Mike, or maybe Arvo at certain points, but the fact remains that a great story can contain multiple ones that we don't need to see the entirety of in order to appreciate them and can remember who the real stars of the show are.
For as much shit as people give it, I thought Amid the Ruins had something going by alternating focus between the characters, with Sarah, Kenny, and [the especially egregious] Jane getting top billing, but the problem there was that there was a little too much focus on them compared to the other characters in terms of the ratio. Which is why I consider Episode 2 to be the best of Season 2: it has overworld areas to explore, the amount of interaction is tops, and the character focus is surprisingly balanced even with Nick and Kenny getting the most emphasis.
For what it's worth, I thought Amid the Ruins took a respectable risk trying to continue the story without Carver being the active threat but what we got instead was a bit unbalanced in terms of execution.
Episodes needed to be longer. Big reason why season 1 was better than season 2. I don't think it is Kenny or Jane's fault for the failure of… more the cabin group because I didn't see much developing with the cabin group anyhow. A bunch of guys running and hiding from a guy named Carver couldn't have been the whole storyline for the game.
This...unless your name is Stephen King...you would be better served by doing a solid outline of how you want your story to go. This saves you from creating a cabin full of people you have no clue what to do with.
Also..where did season two take place? Apparently walking hundreds of miles is possible without any issues. Virginia I guess...what no crossing that little Ohio river?
I don't even think it's Kenny/Jane's fault for the problems with the season. I feel the biggest drawback was the fact that S2 was a more fre… moree-form story. They didn't really have an end-game in mind. The season felt like it was something they were making up as they went along. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but if S2 were to be considered an experiment, I don't think I would necessarily consider it a success.
I don't feel Kenny took any development away from the cabin group; it feels more like by episode 3, no one knew what to do with the cabin group. They spent this time trying to develop them for the past two episodes, but by the time they reached episode 3, it's like they ran out of road for them. It's like, they had an idea where these characters would be by the time Carver came and captured them, but they didn't really consider where to go after that plot point played out.
Character development works best w… [view original content]
I always feel like I'm pretty much one of the few who likes Kenny's character in season 2. Hell, maybe even more than season 1 because we ge… moret a better view to explore him and how the effects his family's deaths and the shitty world, have brought him to a point where he is, virtually, broken, but still holding on for those he loves. I liked that they made him more extreme because it made even me, quite the Kenny fan, to question his motives and wonder whether he was right about certain things, though I did mostly end up believing majority of his acts were. He was unhinged, but still at heart, a good person, willing to do anything to protect those he loves, but often doing so with questionable means, and I liked that direction.
I felt with him being more unstable, more unpredictable, made him a more interesting character overall, and even if sometimes he was a complete dick, I still believe the writers portrayed Kenny as a good person, just … [view original content]
I feel the biggest drawback was the fact that S2 was a more free-form story. They didn't really have an end-game in mind. The season felt like it was something they were making up as they went along. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but if S2 were to be considered an experiment, I don't think I would necessarily consider it a success.
Did Season 1 really have that straight forward a story? Between aside from Lee, Clementine, and to a lesser degree Kenny, it felt like the story just said "Fuck it!"
I don't feel Kenny took any development away from the cabin group; it feels more like by episode 3, no one knew what to do with the cabin group. They spent this time trying to develop them for the past two episodes, but by the time they reached episode 3, it's like they ran out of road for them.
That's it!That's EXACTLY it! The reason I've been having a bitter feeling about Kenny lately IS basically because his addition and sudden promotion to the main roster felt like it was just a cover up for all the development that the Cabin Group(besides Rebecca and Sarah) wasn't gonna get with "fanservice" and nostalgia. Unfortunately, it just made it more apparent by contrast: Why is Clementine, age eleven, spending so much time working with Kenny and Mike, two grown men, when she should realistically swap places with Nick on the women's team a little more often?
Character development works best when you have an end-game in mind, or at the very least, some kind of end point for the character themselves; a trajectory for where they'll be later down the line. When you're making things up as you go, it gets a lot harder to write a cohesive arc for anyone, because it gets all the more harder to pin-point where this character will land.
And this right here justifies Sarah and (to a lesser extent) Jane's presence on the main cast. As I've stated before, Sarah felt like the only member of the Cabin Group who had somewhere to go as a character by the time the Season wrapped up because of Clementine's connection to her, with the technical exception of Rebecca. ...You could argue there alot of places that were suggested by the story, but I'm gonna sidestep that topic for now. Jane on the other hand, was the inverse in that though you're likely meant to wonder where she'll go as well, it's her influence on Clementine that's the most important. I have my problems with her obviously, as my very first post in this community should indicate.
Unfortunately, Kenny's place in all this is a bit of a hotbutton topic to itself: following up on how he is and what he's been up to since Atlanta is an intriguing topic, but also served to be a spotlight stealing distraction. A lot of you absolutely love Kenny because you remember him from before as Lee, you got invested in his story as it progressed, and you were happy to know he would be there for Clementine with Lee gone. The problem with this should be obvious though: you remember him because of his connection to Lee, you were invested in the story that happened when you were there for him as Lee, and while him helping Clementine now is heartwarming, you kinda have to acknowledge that it's because of their memories of Lee. Clementine is NOTLee and so that connection from before is skewed as a result and his inclusion on the character roster makes room for what is essentially a retelling of his story from Season 1, with some "fanservice" and nostalgia thrown in(as much as I did enjoy the latter, I'm sure there's someone out there who didn't). Which mind you, isn't really a bad thing in my books, except when it's done in a way that bogs down the story, rather than enhances it. When Kenny first appear, it was [not] a pleasant surprise and I was curious as to how he had survived his insistence on saving Ben and what sort of adventures he had been on with Sarita. Unfortunately, this isn't really that developed and neither is Sarita, who despite being a kind Indian woman whose efforts in rehabilitating Kenny and bonding with Sarah over a Christmas song of all things made her such a delightful new face as well as a stern combatant, is just barely not Katjaa, but might as well be for all we learn about her. Part of the reason why Episode 3 is objectively the weakest episode is because from literally the title screen, Kenny was constantly on screen photobombing and talking over the other characters before being involved in plot situations that another character(such as Sarita) probably should have been given. Take his walkietalkie smackdown from Carver and later crowbar test on him as an example: as much as I like these two scenes, they contribute to part of my problem with Carver since he had more of a personal connection with Kenny in these two scenes than Clementine did throughout the entire episode, despite the villain's attempts to convince us otherwise at the time. Another thing Amid the Ruins did right in my opinion was set Kenny aside so he could deal with his sense of deja vu and eventually morph into something that will help the story that was supposed to be being told for a while. And then Episode 5 did a so-so combination of the two that led the one kickass climax.
Mind you, I've stated numerous times that Kenny is a character I was positively neutral to: I'm happy enough when he's being helpful and when he's being a real asshole I wanna punch him in the face. So while he's far from my favorite character, it didn't bother me much at all to see all the pull he has, both in-universe and out. However, that has being gradually changing over these last few weeks as I've begun to notice that, rational or not, many of the problems I have with this season has his beard hair somewhere in the vicinity.
I remember reading that they were planning on doing multiple endings from the beginning, and that that's probably the furthest they thought the 'ending' through; that there'd be some major climactic choice that would branch off into multiple different endings. But they had no clue what that climactic choice would be, or what those different endings themselves would be. Or more simply put; they planned for some big choice at the end of episode 5 where Clementine would have to choose between people, but they had no idea who said people would be until later in development. The infamous 'pizza vs ice cream' choice was something they likely decided on from the beginning, but they didn't actually decide on who the two characters would be until they were already working on episode 4.
That's a question I'll save for the question thread because even though Kenny is an obvious choice, I don't want to derail his thread too much. (Oh, the irony!)
However, as much as I hate what a terrible person she turned out to be and the overabundance of screentime she was given, I'd be lying if I said Jane wasn't technically one of the saving graces of the Season once she got her steam goin. While I wasn't too keen on what a gimmick she was in her first episode, Amid the Ruins really went to [a little too much] effort to establish her as another character who could not only have meaningful interaction with Clementine but also one that could stand up on her own. The fact that they deliberately contrasted her with Sarah, the only other character who I thought actually held this title at that point in the story, was a stroke of genius that I realize is probably my true favorite moment in Season 2: just having these three chicks who are so different and yet so similar going at it in an abandoned trailer park! I was really looking forward to seeing the repercussions a scene like this would have in the future, but alas, Sarah was dropped like a bad habit and Jane was tainted for the rest of the Season for me. Episode 5 not only made this baggage worse, but from that point on, Jane(though to not as extreme a degree as Arvo) felt like she was being written specifically to be a character who would come into conflict with Kenny so we can have him get the huge climax, not Clementine. Despite the problems I have with this, I was still able to enjoy their climax because both had been established as individuals before their rivalry was built up(or flat out came out of nowhere, for the record) and the implications siding with one or the other or even neither does make you wonder how Season 3 is gonna follow it up. Though I'm not really looking forward to that, but that's a discussion for another day.
With Luke, take him from being a friendly, compassionate survivor to... what, exactly?
And there's the problem; he didn't have a projected end point. It feels like the only clear goal they had for his character by episode 5 was for him to still be alive. Nothing concrete on how he would be different, how his motivations would have changed, how he would be affected by the events... just that he would still be above ground.
Yeah, I agree that was his biggest problem. Luke, ignoring my heresay impression going into the game, felt like he was meant to be seen as this paragon(which is sorta what he is in hindsight, but anyway) that could be compared to Lee in terms of helpfulness but there wasn't much effort put into Luke as a character compared to Luke as a ideal. Someone who would be there for Clementine when all others were either too stuck in their own problems or didn't know how to be there for her when she needs back up. For all he tried to be this paragon who leads everyone by doing what's right, there isn't much to know about him outside of that: No backstory, no family, no motivation, nothing investing up until the final episode.
I don't even think it's Kenny/Jane's fault for the problems with the season. I feel the biggest drawback was the fact that S2 was a more fre… moree-form story. They didn't really have an end-game in mind. The season felt like it was something they were making up as they went along. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but if S2 were to be considered an experiment, I don't think I would necessarily consider it a success.
I don't feel Kenny took any development away from the cabin group; it feels more like by episode 3, no one knew what to do with the cabin group. They spent this time trying to develop them for the past two episodes, but by the time they reached episode 3, it's like they ran out of road for them. It's like, they had an idea where these characters would be by the time Carver came and captured them, but they didn't really consider where to go after that plot point played out.
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Did Season 1 really have that straight forward a story? Between aside from Lee, Clementine, and to a lesser degree Kenny, it felt like the story just said "Fuck it!"
I'd argue that it did. Although I'll admit that the story really didn't pick up until episode 3. In a way, it's like the inverse of S2; it meandered around for the first 2-3 episodes, then it kicked into gear.
At first, it's pretty much surviving at the motor inn. Then it shifts to heading towards the coast to Savannah. Then the mission to make it to Savannah overlaps with Clementine wanting to find her parents, which itself ties into the Stranger's presence and role in the story, which drives the conflict for the final episode of the season. There's a lot of moving parts in S1's story that just felt a lot more concise than what S2 had to offer.
I feel the biggest drawback was the fact that S2 was a more free-form story. They didn't really have an end-game in mind. The season felt li… moreke it was something they were making up as they went along. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but if S2 were to be considered an experiment, I don't think I would necessarily consider it a success.
Did Season 1 really have that straight forward a story? Between aside from Lee, Clementine, and to a lesser degree Kenny, it felt like the story just said "Fuck it!"
I don't feel Kenny took any development away from the cabin group; it feels more like by episode 3, no one knew what to do with the cabin group. They spent this time trying to develop them for the past two episodes, but by the time they reached episode 3, it's like they ran out of road for them.
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You don't know how much I've missed in life. Some guys have all the luck. I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart-attacks put me to sleep.
Here I am scratching my head, asking myself whether this is true and I am being insensitive by asking, or you're just joking.
I didn't mean the shreked comment in a bad way. Your comments are hilarious. I just knew that if there was a flaw in my argument, you'd pret… morety much destroy me debate-wise.
About the pun, I will escort you to a quote:
this tragic existence I call life
You don't know how much I've missed in life. Some guys have all the luck. I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart-attacks put me to sleep. Bad puns are the only things that give me life. They are my light, my darkness, my everything.
And didn't you mention/joke a few times that you came up with that username when you were drunk? Keep drinking, never stay sober.
~Wisdom from Kenny726
Did Season 1 really have that straight forward a story? Between aside from Lee, Clementine, and to a lesser degree Kenny, it felt like the s… moretory just said "Fuck it!"
I'd argue that it did. Although I'll admit that the story really didn't pick up until episode 3. In a way, it's like the inverse of S2; it meandered around for the first 2-3 episodes, then it kicked into gear.
At first, it's pretty much surviving at the motor inn. Then it shifts to heading towards the coast to Savannah. Then the mission to make it to Savannah overlaps with Clementine wanting to find her parents, which itself ties into the Stranger's presence and role in the story, which drives the conflict for the final episode of the season. There's a lot of moving parts in S1's story that just felt a lot more concise than what S2 had to offer.
It's about half and half, actually. We spend the first two episodes and half of 3 with the motel group, then we spend the final two episodes and the last quarter of episode 3 with Christa and Omid (though Omid is MIA for most of episode 4)
You don't know how much I've missed in life. Some guys have all the luck. I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break … moremy legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart-attacks put me to sleep.
Here I am scratching my head, asking myself whether this is true and I am being insensitive by asking, or you're just joking.
Did Season 1 really have that straight forward a story? Between aside from Lee, Clementine, and to a lesser degree Kenny, it felt like the s… moretory just said "Fuck it!"
I'd argue that it did. Although I'll admit that the story really didn't pick up until episode 3. In a way, it's like the inverse of S2; it meandered around for the first 2-3 episodes, then it kicked into gear.
At first, it's pretty much surviving at the motor inn. Then it shifts to heading towards the coast to Savannah. Then the mission to make it to Savannah overlaps with Clementine wanting to find her parents, which itself ties into the Stranger's presence and role in the story, which drives the conflict for the final episode of the season. There's a lot of moving parts in S1's story that just felt a lot more concise than what S2 had to offer.
In Episode 3, Luke suggested leaving people behind(not specifically just Kenny) because they were injured and that night was the night Bonni… moree chose to help them and the herd came to Howe's - which were big parts of their escape plan.
In Episode 4, they were all distant from Kenny, talking about his well-being, not sure how that's such a bad thing. They only talk bad about Kenny in Episode 5 when he constantly picks on Arvo and disregards everyone's ideas.
I was actually joking guys -_-. as you can tell I wasnt bothering to defend Kenny when I responded with that, not only is this post an older one, but Im done with the whole "kenny explainer" or janiac crap, Ive stayed out of it, waste of time, obviously a kenny fan isnt going to make a jane fan change, and a jane fan isnt going to make a kenny fan change, or even see their point of view. I wasnt trying in either of my last two responses.
"The series will also be available for purchase on a special 'Season Pass Disc' for consoles, which will include the premiere episode for the third season, as well as access to all subsequent episodes in the five episode season for download as they become available."
kennys like the rick grimes of the telltale walking dead games I love him so much hes my favorite charecter and I know kenny has flaws but I still love him. and I hope hes in season 3 or im gonna be pissed!,im glad that there are more people coming around to see that kenny is the right choice, it made me sad that there were so many people who shot kenny or sided with that evil bitch jane, shame on all of you! who went that route. #KennysLifeMatters
im glad that there are more people coming around to see that kenny is the right choice, it made me sad that there were so many people who shot kenny or sided with that evil bitch jane, shame on all of you! who went that route.
kennys like the rick grimes of the telltale walking dead games I love him so much hes my favorite charecter and I know kenny has flaws but… more I still love him. and I hope hes in season 3 or im gonna be pissed!,im glad that there are more people coming around to see that kenny is the right choice, it made me sad that there were so many people who shot kenny or sided with that evil bitch jane, shame on all of you! who went that route. #KennysLifeMatters
im glad that there are more people coming around to see that kenny is the right choice, it made me sad that there were so many people who shot kenny or sided with that evil bitch jane, shame on all of you! who went that route.
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Yo! Don't you dare diss his beautiful pedostache! It is love, it is life!
Yes, I agree that bringing up Kenny (or in your words, the "demon") is quite negative cause he kind of is.
In Episode 3, Luke suggested leaving people behind(not specifically just Kenny) because they were injured and that night was the night Bonnie chose to help them and the herd came to Howe's - which were big parts of their escape plan.
In Episode 4, they were all distant from Kenny, talking about his well-being, not sure how that's such a bad thing. They only talk bad about Kenny in Episode 5 when he constantly picks on Arvo and disregards everyone's ideas.
Ok.....I have stated many times why I hate Kenny the person....now this may sound strange....but I love Kenny the character.
How can this be?
Kenny is very conflicted and tormented character....He will try to be the good guy when in reality, Lee said it best. Kenny you are no hero.
Before the apocalypse, you get an idea of the kind of family man he is. Aloof...loves his family but absolutely is thankful he can be away from them while out fishing. He may be one of the many people who feel that marriage and the bliss that goes with it...gets tiring.
When the apocalypse happens he takes it as a sign that he needs to do anything and everything to make sure his family lives. It is through this act that he seeks personal redemption for being aloof.
Every action in season one, the anger...leaving Shawn to die, even murdering Larry is justified in his mind. His family is not in the meat locker, he lets his frustrations and fear get excised by the act of killing Larry. On some level there is the idea of revenge...one he will never admit to.
The loss of the motel and the Duck situation. Kenny has failed. Keeping the train moving and not going to the boxcar is classical denial. I had Lee beat some sense into him, it was in my opinion the only thing Kenny would respond to with that much grief and shock.
Redemption....Ben Paul, the most destructive person in season one is responsible for the deaths of Kat and Duck...and Carley or Doug and the Loss of Lilly. Kenny is all for killing the shitbird and really you cannot blame him...but if you as a player refuse to let Ben die at the school, then you get Kenny's best ending. Kenny at Ben have it out. And finally Kenny is on his redemption arc. Kenny who has made more than a few questionable choices redeems himself by going to help Ben.
As character arcs go it is a pretty sweet and hopeful one. No matter how far he fell, he came back to being a good person.
Now so why the hate for Kenny. When I play the game and comment on Kenny...I am doing so from the perspective of someone who was trying to protect a little girl and while we were in that meat locker, Larry whom I detest has an attack. Lilly who I rearguard as a friend begged me to help her save her dad...the one member of her family she has left. Kenny's action of course kills Larry...but it also terrorized Clementine...and broke Lilly's heart and sent her into a mental breakdown.
Kenny is no hero, but is a Damn amazing character..He is an asshole, but in the end he is redeemed.
That was until season two....and I really did not care for him in season two as a character.
Not everyone would go down that person's level, if anything, a quick death would've been enough for Carver, rather than wasting time beating him until his face is mashed. Crazy? Perhaps not. Irrational? Quite so.
Except that it doesn't take place in today's society and even then you are quite wrong, allot of people have gotten away with murder - which sucks. Also, Arvo did not cause Luke's death, I don't care how people try to link it back to him, Arvo did not have the power to crack the ice beneath Luke and the group were not forced to cross over the lake or go to Arvo's house.
Not at all if Clementine actually cut Sarita's arm off with a bloody hatchet in the middle of a walker horde - Sarita could've bled to death if she wasn't bitten then and there because of Clementine's actions.
I think they're all the same amount of human, or pixels if you prefer.
But Kenny did try to kill Jane after accusing her of killing AJ without any evidence and not even letting her explain what had happened. As for the blizzard and walkers predicaments? There were no walkers around and considering how Kenny kept AJ with him in the cold earlier, I think AJ's chances of surviving the cold whilst in a car would've been pretty good. Don't get me wrong, I might like Jane but I still think her plan with AJ was indeed executed poorly.
She made it pretty clear that her intentions were to test Kenny and how far he'd go to hurt people when angry - the whole fight scene highlighted how at that moment in time, Kenny didn't care about Clementine at all, all he cared about was perceived vengeance in AJ's name. If anything, they were both trying to kill each other. Still wish there was an option for both to have lived.
Yes it's just a shame the writers for season 2 made him out to be 10 times worse.
Kenny was still the best character by a long way in season 2 imo, despite his constant conflict with the group and despite being a better character in season 1. He had it all... charisma, badassery, controversy, hard hitting emotional moments and just generally being a driving force of entertainment in the games. He was funny without feeling like a comedy character or being written soley to provide comic relief... man the guy just had everything that you need to be a great character.
Thanks! When I saw you in my feed, my pulse lowered, and the world became blurry. I thought I was about to get shreked with the force of 1,000 pimp hands.
And uh...to be creepy, but your username turns me on. Never before in this tragic existence I call life have I beheld such a beautiful pun. Brings tears to my eyes...Truly stunning...
Thanks a bunch for the response, I had no ideal I have that kind of effect on people.
But you deserve the likes cause the stuff you said was genuine and interesting. You didn't need to lower your points and demonize other people in order to bring Kenny up, you didn't need to project, and you kept pragmatism at the forefront.
And although "you smart," I need to slap you one for thinking a name as shit as Everyone'sClemInTime has any kind of appealing qualifications once so ever.
Wow. That's just...wow. Hahahaha.
Too bad he and Jane came at the cost of downplaying and eventually aborting pretty much everything the Season was supposed to be developing, including Clementine.
Yes hopefully the writing team is on point with A New Frontier.
I didn't mean the shreked comment in a bad way. Your comments are hilarious. I just knew that if there was a flaw in my argument, you'd pretty much destroy me debate-wise.
About the pun, I will escort you to a quote:
You don't know how much I've missed in life. Some guys have all the luck. I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart-attacks put me to sleep. Bad puns are the only things that give me life. They are my light, my darkness, my everything.
And didn't you mention/joke a few times that you came up with that username when you were drunk? Keep drinking, never stay sober.
~Wisdom from Kenny726
Episodes needed to be longer. Big reason why season 1 was better than season 2. I don't think it is Kenny or Jane's fault for the failure of the cabin group because I didn't see much developing with the cabin group anyhow. A bunch of guys running and hiding from a guy named Carver couldn't have been the whole storyline for the game.
Game of Thrones was 6 episodes and Minecraft was 8. I can see season 3 being longer than 5 episodes. Tell Tale even said that season 2 could have been better, I don't see season 3 being bad at all. I agree Deltino and that is why season 1 was captivating. Season 2 kind of dragged on from episode to episode.
I don't even think it's Kenny/Jane's fault for the problems with the season. I feel the biggest drawback was the fact that S2 was a more free-form story. They didn't really have an end-game in mind. The season felt like it was something they were making up as they went along. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but if S2 were to be considered an experiment, I don't think I would necessarily consider it a success.
I don't feel Kenny took any development away from the cabin group; it feels more like by episode 3, no one knew what to do with the cabin group. They spent this time trying to develop them for the past two episodes, but by the time they reached episode 3, it's like they ran out of road for them. It's like, they had an idea where these characters would be by the time Carver came and captured them, but they didn't really consider where to go after that plot point played out.
Character development works best when you have an end-game in mind, or at the very least, some kind of end point for the character themselves; a trajectory for where they'll be later down the line. When you're making things up as you go, it gets a lot harder to write a cohesive arc for anyone, because it gets all the more harder to pin-point where this character will land. Imagine you have a cannon. If you keep it in one position, it's easy to calculate where it'll approximately land. Game development tends to go through a lot of shifts throughout the process, so pinning down exactly what a game is going to look like by the end of development isn't always an easy task. If things come up, or you just come up with new ideas, you can alter the course the game is taking mid-flight. Now generally, if you have a specific end-point in mind, you can compensate for such changes. But when the end isn't that clear, it becomes tougher to determine.
Combine the lack of an end-game with multiple writers, and it gets even harder to manage. At that point, it's like the blind leading the blind; one guy with only a faint idea of where he's taking the story hands it off to a guy that has their own faint idea of where they're going. Multiple writers isn't the problem; it's the lack of a shared goal between them. With S1, we were building towards the ending scene from day one. Everyone knew that was going to be the final destination. In S2, they lacked that end goal of where everyone would be by then. I remember reading that they were planning on doing multiple endings from the beginning, and that that's probably the furthest they thought the 'ending' through; that there'd be some major climactic choice that would branch off into multiple different endings. But they had no clue what that climactic choice would be, or what those different endings themselves would be. Or more simply put; they planned for some big choice at the end of episode 5 where Clementine would have to choose between people, but they had no idea who said people would be until later in development. The infamous 'pizza vs ice cream' choice was something they likely decided on from the beginning, but they didn't actually decide on who the two characters would be until they were already working on episode 4.
Look at it this way; the end of S1 was something that was determined from the start. It was always in the plan for the game to end with that scene with Lee and Clementine. As a result, it was clear where Lee and Clementine would be as characters by the end of the game. It provides a very specific point of reference for the team to aim towards.
In S2, there really wasn't an end-goal in mind, at least, not a super concrete one. You could argue that Wellington acted as a goal, but even then, it wasn't an end-all solution. For the most part, it felt like S2's main objective was to just survive. And by extension, they robs the characters of a clear trajectory for where they'll be 2-5 episodes from now. For Lee, it's a case of trying to showcase a redemption story; take Lee from the back of a police car, to him laying his life down for the sake of Clementine. With Luke, take him from being a friendly, compassionate survivor to... what, exactly?
And there's the problem; he didn't have a projected end point. It feels like the only clear goal they had for his character by episode 5 was for him to still be alive. Nothing concrete on how he would be different, how his motivations would have changed, how he would be affected by the events... just that he would still be above ground.
I always feel like I'm pretty much one of the few who likes Kenny's character in season 2. Hell, maybe even more than season 1 because we get a better view to explore him and how the effects his family's deaths and the shitty world, have brought him to a point where he is, virtually, broken, but still holding on for those he loves. I liked that they made him more extreme because it made even me, quite the Kenny fan, to question his motives and wonder whether he was right about certain things, though I did mostly end up believing majority of his acts were. He was unhinged, but still at heart, a good person, willing to do anything to protect those he loves, but often doing so with questionable means, and I liked that direction.
I felt with him being more unstable, more unpredictable, made him a more interesting character overall, and even if sometimes he was a complete dick, I still believe the writers portrayed Kenny as a good person, just one with serious issues. I'll admit, though, he could've had more good moments as well, to remind us that he was still the same person with pretty much the same intentions as season 1.
EDIT: A typo.
If it's any consolation, I'm one of the people that likes S2 Kenny as well
Oh, is that really one of the problems? I recall hearing that once somewhere else but I didn't put much thought into it. All that can be said about that is two words: TIme! Management!
At least Rebecca, Nick, and Sarah were definitely established with the intention to develop their storylines in mind, but the way they ended up being executed was mixed. I have yet to see anyone more than one person(zombiebonnie) say they legitimately liked Rebecca and she had the most complete(if a bit by the numbers) storyline of the three, Nick had a concretated effort put into integrating his story arc into Episode 2 before being drastically scaled back to having less screentime than Mike or Sarita in Episode 3 and then killed offscreen in Episode 4, and Sarah (in my potentially biased opinion) had the most balanced screentime for development before she was just moodwhiplashingly aborted without a proper conclusion to her arc, something I think even Nick managed to cobble together.
Call it retroactive backlash on my part(especially since I literally played through in June) but the drastic amount of effort those two have compared to everyone else is like 4:1.[I had to step away from the laptop for a bit and forgot my point,
] There should have been more effort into telling their story while also making sure the other characters got a chance to shine.
Kinda reminds me of my skepticism with people who disparagedly claim that Nate would've been this amazing villain when really he's more of a nuisance who only works in short bursts.
I mentioned my thoughts on this somewhere else so I'll try to edit it in.
EDIT: Whaddya know? It was a conversation I had with you!
For what it's worth, I thought Amid the Ruins took a respectable risk trying to continue the story without Carver being the active threat but what we got instead was a bit unbalanced in terms of execution.
This...unless your name is Stephen King...you would be better served by doing a solid outline of how you want your story to go. This saves you from creating a cabin full of people you have no clue what to do with.
Also..where did season two take place? Apparently walking hundreds of miles is possible without any issues. Virginia I guess...what no crossing that little Ohio river?
Agreed.
Did Season 1 really have that straight forward a story? Between aside from Lee, Clementine, and to a lesser degree Kenny, it felt like the story just said "Fuck it!"
That's it! That's EXACTLY it! The reason I've been having a bitter feeling about Kenny lately IS basically because his addition and sudden promotion to the main roster felt like it was just a cover up for all the development that the Cabin Group(besides Rebecca and Sarah) wasn't gonna get with "fanservice" and nostalgia. Unfortunately, it just made it more apparent by contrast: Why is Clementine, age eleven, spending so much time working with Kenny and Mike, two grown men, when she should realistically swap places with Nick on the women's team a little more often?
And this right here justifies Sarah and (to a lesser extent) Jane's presence on the main cast. As I've stated before, Sarah felt like the only member of the Cabin Group who had somewhere to go as a character by the time the Season wrapped up because of Clementine's connection to her, with the technical exception of Rebecca. ...You could argue there a lot of places that were suggested by the story, but I'm gonna sidestep that topic for now.
Jane on the other hand, was the inverse in that though you're likely meant to wonder where she'll go as well, it's her influence on Clementine that's the most important. I have my problems with her obviously, as my very first post in this community should indicate.
Unfortunately, Kenny's place in all this is a bit of a hotbutton topic to itself: following up on how he is and what he's been up to since Atlanta is an intriguing topic, but also served to be a spotlight stealing distraction. A lot of you absolutely love Kenny because you remember him from before as Lee, you got invested in his story as it progressed, and you were happy to know he would be there for Clementine with Lee gone. The problem with this should be obvious though: you remember him because of his connection to Lee, you were invested in the story that happened when you were there for him as Lee, and while him helping Clementine now is heartwarming, you kinda have to acknowledge that it's because of their memories of Lee. Clementine is NOT Lee and so that connection from before is skewed as a result and his inclusion on the character roster makes room for what is essentially a retelling of his story from Season 1, with some "fanservice" and nostalgia thrown in(as much as I did enjoy the latter, I'm sure there's someone out there who didn't). Which mind you, isn't really a bad thing in my books, except when it's done in a way that bogs down the story, rather than enhances it. When Kenny first appear, it was [not] a pleasant surprise and I was curious as to how he had survived his insistence on saving Ben and what sort of adventures he had been on with Sarita. Unfortunately, this isn't really that developed and neither is Sarita, who despite being a kind Indian woman whose efforts in rehabilitating Kenny and bonding with Sarah over a Christmas song of all things made her such a delightful new face as well as a stern combatant, is just barely not Katjaa, but might as well be for all we learn about her. Part of the reason why Episode 3 is objectively the weakest episode is because from literally the title screen, Kenny was constantly on screen photobombing and talking over the other characters before being involved in plot situations that another character(such as Sarita) probably should have been given. Take his walkietalkie smackdown from Carver and later crowbar test on him as an example: as much as I like these two scenes, they contribute to part of my problem with Carver since he had more of a personal connection with Kenny in these two scenes than Clementine did throughout the entire episode, despite the villain's attempts to convince us otherwise at the time. Another thing Amid the Ruins did right in my opinion was set Kenny aside so he could deal with his sense of deja vu and eventually morph into something that will help the story that was supposed to be being told for a while. And then Episode 5 did a so-so combination of the two that led the one kickass climax.
Mind you, I've stated numerous times that Kenny is a character I was positively neutral to: I'm happy enough when he's being helpful and when he's being a real asshole I wanna punch him in the face. So while he's far from my favorite character, it didn't bother me much at all to see all the pull he has, both in-universe and out. However, that has being gradually changing over these last few weeks as I've begun to notice that, rational or not, many of the problems I have with this season has his beard hair somewhere in the vicinity.
That's a question I'll save for the question thread because even though Kenny is an obvious choice, I don't want to derail his thread too much. (Oh, the irony!)
However, as much as I hate what a terrible person she turned out to be and the overabundance of screentime she was given, I'd be lying if I said Jane wasn't technically one of the saving graces of the Season once she got her steam goin. While I wasn't too keen on what a gimmick she was in her first episode, Amid the Ruins really went to [a little too much] effort to establish her as another character who could not only have meaningful interaction with Clementine but also one that could stand up on her own. The fact that they deliberately contrasted her with Sarah, the only other character who I thought actually held this title at that point in the story, was a stroke of genius that I realize is probably my true favorite moment in Season 2: just having these three chicks who are so different and yet so similar going at it in an abandoned trailer park! I was really looking forward to seeing the repercussions a scene like this would have in the future, but alas, Sarah was dropped like a bad habit and Jane was tainted for the rest of the Season for me. Episode 5 not only made this baggage worse, but from that point on, Jane(though to not as extreme a degree as Arvo) felt like she was being written specifically to be a character who would come into conflict with Kenny so we can have him get the huge climax, not Clementine. Despite the problems I have with this, I was still able to enjoy their climax because both had been established as individuals before their rivalry was built up(or flat out came out of nowhere, for the record) and the implications siding with one or the other or even neither does make you wonder how Season 3 is gonna follow it up. Though I'm not really looking forward to that, but that's a discussion for another day.
Yeah, I agree that was his biggest problem. Luke, ignoring my heresay impression going into the game, felt like he was meant to be seen as this paragon(which is sorta what he is in hindsight, but anyway) that could be compared to Lee in terms of helpfulness but there wasn't much effort put into Luke as a character compared to Luke as a ideal. Someone who would be there for Clementine when all others were either too stuck in their own problems or didn't know how to be there for her when she needs back up. For all he tried to be this paragon who leads everyone by doing what's right, there isn't much to know about him outside of that: No backstory, no family, no motivation, nothing investing up until the final episode.
I'd argue that it did. Although I'll admit that the story really didn't pick up until episode 3. In a way, it's like the inverse of S2; it meandered around for the first 2-3 episodes, then it kicked into gear.
At first, it's pretty much surviving at the motor inn. Then it shifts to heading towards the coast to Savannah. Then the mission to make it to Savannah overlaps with Clementine wanting to find her parents, which itself ties into the Stranger's presence and role in the story, which drives the conflict for the final episode of the season. There's a lot of moving parts in S1's story that just felt a lot more concise than what S2 had to offer.
Here I am scratching my head, asking myself whether this is true and I am being insensitive by asking, or you're just joking.
Wow. You know, you say that and I just think about the fact that it feels like we spent more time with Lily's group than we did with Christa and Omid.
It's about half and half, actually. We spend the first two episodes and half of 3 with the motel group, then we spend the final two episodes and the last quarter of episode 3 with Christa and Omid (though Omid is MIA for most of episode 4)
Oh no! This is a quote from a cartoon called Spongebob. I just realized how messed up this sounds if you don't know its origin...
Funnily enough, I preferred the narrative of the group's stay at the Travelier Motel to the narrative that took place in Savannah.
stop it, I love the Kenny
Stop what?
Uh? When? Where? Who? What did I miss?
Stop defending the characters s/he's using as a scapegoat to defend Kenny.
I was actually joking guys -_-. as you can tell I wasnt bothering to defend Kenny when I responded with that, not only is this post an older one, but Im done with the whole "kenny explainer" or janiac crap, Ive stayed out of it, waste of time, obviously a kenny fan isnt going to make a jane fan change, and a jane fan isnt going to make a kenny fan change, or even see their point of view. I wasnt trying in either of my last two responses.
Well ovioisly i did miss something otherwise I would't be asking :P
Errr i did not hear this either? Source?
Here,
https://telltale.com/news/2016/09/-the-walking-dead-the-telltale-series---a-new-frontier-premieres-this-november/
kennys like the rick grimes of the telltale walking dead games I love him so much hes my favorite charecter and I know kenny has flaws but I still love him. and I hope hes in season 3 or im gonna be pissed!,im glad that there are more people coming around to see that kenny is the right choice, it made me sad that there were so many people who shot kenny or sided with that evil bitch jane, shame on all of you! who went that route. #KennysLifeMatters
whats up dabig, I dont even know how to respond to that lol