Ditto, to a point. More like I want to confront him over what happened between us period and then decide how to best resolve the issue. If one of my predictions does end up coming true, though, he might find himself in a cell.
If he appears in Season 3, and he apologizes, I will consider forgiving him
Ditto, to a point. More like I want to confront him over… more what happened between us period and then decide how to best resolve the issue. If one of my predictions does end up coming true, though, he might find himself in a cell.
However, I will have my guard up. Last time someone apologized to me in TWD and then I forgave them...well, let's just say she was a treacherous scumbag.
...Are you talking about Jane or Bonnie?
Thought so. As much as I hate Jane, it's admittedly a little fuzzy whether she technically betrayed Clementine from certain POVs.
As for Bonnie, I always kinda felt bad for her after Luke died given what we've been shown about her life up to that point. I don't approve of what she did in reaction to that, but I understand that she was in a dark place.
Ditto, to a point. More like I want to confront him over what happened between us period and then decide how to best resolve the issue. If o… morene of my predictions does end up coming true, though, he might find himself in a cell.
You might be right.
...Are you talking about Jane or Bonnie?
Bonnie.
Thought so. As much as I hate Jane, it's admittedly a little fuzzy whether she technically betrayed Clementine from certain POVs.
As for … moreBonnie, I always kinda felt bad for her after Luke died given what we've been shown about her life up to that point. I don't approve of what she did in reaction to that, but I understand that she was in a dark place.
If he appears in Season 3, and he apologizes, I will consider forgiving him
Ditto, to a point. More like I want to confront him over… more what happened between us period and then decide how to best resolve the issue. If one of my predictions does end up coming true, though, he might find himself in a cell.
However, I will have my guard up. Last time someone apologized to me in TWD and then I forgave them...well, let's just say she was a treacherous scumbag.
...Are you talking about Jane or Bonnie?
Bonnie told me she'd never betray me ever again. And then 2 episodes later, she turned out to be nothing but a big, fat, hypocritical liar.
To be fair, I'm sure she meant that at the time. I talked about this somewhere before, but it's entirely possible outright betraying Clementine wasn't on her table when Mike came to her about leaving. Leaving her to die is determinately an overly harsh reaction to not being able to personally save Luke.
Bonnie told me she'd never betray me ever again. And then 2 episodes later, she turned out to be nothing but a big, fat, hypocritical liar.
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To be fair, I'm sure she meant that at the time. I talked about this somewhere before, but it's entirely possible outright betraying Clementine wasn't on her table when Mike came to her about leaving. Leaving her to die is determinately an overly harsh reaction to not being able to personally save Luke.
Also, most of that is inaccurate.
Actually, Natasha was [at the very least] intended to be sick: Arvo's bag consisted of mostly painkillers and he described her sickness as causing her to cry, which makes the walkers cum. Natasha was indeed supposed to have sickle cell anemia, which matches up with the symptoms and prescripted medication perfectly. Her strained unused/muffled English dialogue combined with her pale skin seem to back this up.
As I brought up in Dan's topic, people apparently assumed Arvo was lying because Natasha came along for the confrontation (and because they don't like him, but the point being), when this could be an indication of what type of person she is. It's entirely possible that going after the group was her idea, since it was her health, her medicine, and her brother that was threatened. Granted, that's just a hypothesis on my part. but the alternative cutscenes and translated dialogue seem to back this up a bit.
Thank you for the backup, but as a general rule I don't take the wiki's word on ages to heart since anyone can edit them with what age they think the characters are. I only really go off of developer or in-game confirmation (Lee is 37, Sam is 22, Luke is 27, etc). So I guess whoever edited the wiki just agrees with me about Arvo's appeared age, haha
You're not too far off; wiki says late teens = 17-19 but he doesn't look like he'd be out of high school yet.
I agree, the age thing is a poor excuse. I myself haven't used the argument but some people do and it's stupid.
Once again with the near-intentional racial slanders...
And what the heck would you do to keep your stuff safe? No matter what, there's no possibility that a child couldn't handle themselves considering the apocalypse had been active for over two years. That, and Arvo was just jumpy.
How I remember things going down and why Harry Potter deserves to die. Imagine if you will...two people...both female...one in her early 20… mores, the other a spunky 11 year old. Both trying to find a way to get into a gift shop so that their pregnant comrade can give birth in peace. The 11 year old, let's call her Clementine spots a shady looking character coming towards the gift shop. The decide to hide. This shady no good Harry Potter reject appears to be stashing something in a garbage can.
He notices the 11 year old and pulls out his pistol and points it at her delicate and did we mention kindly looking face?
This is when the 20 some woman, we shall call her Jane, comes up on the stranger and grabs his gun.
The shady stranger calls himself Arvo...which is Russian for spawn of Satan, probably. He claims the package which is filled with meds is for his sister...we send him packing with his meds but keep the gun as he demonstrated that… [view original content]
Someone posted this here on the TTG forums. Don't know who or when, I just found this in another forum asking for translations and someone posted the link saying that someone on the TTG forums sent this.
I understand Russian quite well. They were mocking the group, calling them weak, they wanted Jane badly to make her suffer slowly, possibly … morerape her. Clem's group foolishly pulled guns out. That is bad writing there. When I told him that we had a baby he was telling his group to put their guns down that he didn't want a baby to die. So AJ changed his mind yet he was going to steal supplies from AJ anyway. He led his group due to Jane and Mike liked him more than Clementine, he left with him. Arvo caused the ambush, when he should have tried to hunt down Jane. His group started shooting, their death is on them. Don't forget that Luke got shot in the leg and Mike got shot in the shoulder and they defended him. Bonnie also loved him and Luke and her both fell into the frozen water. Arvo lost his family in one swoop. He was never going to forgive them.
To everyone who thinks they know or want to know what the Russians were saying during the confrontation, here's a transcript with Russian translations.
I'm going with this rather than what people say as I trust the script more than the people on here. (No offence intended)
Who is us?
And unless you can think of a far better argument than that one MAJOR f*** up, then just walk away. I have a list of things here that I can use.
Oh, what the- WHERE WAS THIS WHEN I WROTE MY UNINTENTIONALLY SYMPATHETIC EXAMPLE?! It's very disjointed and out of order, but it still would've helped.
I guess TV Tropes was a more spot on about the Russian Group than I thought: though Vitali seems a little more sensible at first before things got outta hand so I guess he just has a dangerous fuse. But yeah, Buricko seems like an even bigger dick than I thought considering Vitali(the crazy one) is asking him to calm down.
Interesting that Clementine can try to downplay that she consciously robbed him or offer to give him something in return.
Also, I love how Bonnie apparently reacts to learning Arvo's name with disgust, not to mention how angry she is in general. Wow, Kenny really is Not so Different to a LOT of people.
I call bullshit. Why? There was someone who posted the script for the end scene in Episode 4 and there's nothing about rape in there.
htt… morep://pastebin.com/bSAHc09i
Someone posted this here on the TTG forums. Don't know who or when, I just found this in another forum asking for translations and someone posted the link saying that someone on the TTG forums sent this.
That and considering how badass (and determinately "Edgy") Clementine is, drawing his gun in self-defense was one of the smartest things he could do. Even if his shaking hand kinda calls his bluff....
Once again with the near-intentional racial slanders...
And what the heck would you do to keep your stuff safe? No matter what, there's n… moreo possibility that a child couldn't handle themselves considering the apocalypse had been active for over two years. That, and Arvo was just jumpy.
Oh, what the- WHERE WAS THIS WHEN I WROTE MY UNINTENTIONALLY SYMPATHETIC EXAMPLE?! It's very disjointed and out of order, but it still would've helped.
I guess TV Tropes was a more spot on about the Russian Group than I thought: though Vitali seems a little more sensible at first before things got outta hand so I guess he just has a dangerous fuse. But yeah, Buricko seems like an even bigger dick than I thought considering Vitali(the crazy one) is asking him to calm down.
Interesting that Clementine can try to downplay that she consciously robbed him or offer to give him something in return.
Also, I love how Bonnie apparently reacts to learning Arvo's name with disgust, not to mention how angry she is in general. Wow, Kenny really is Not so Different to a LOT of people.
http://pastebin.com/bSAHc09i
To everyone who thinks they know or want to know what the Russians were saying during the confrontation, her… moree's a transcript with Russian translations.
I'm going with this rather than what people say as I trust the script more than the people on here. (No offence intended)
Actually, Natasha was [at the very least] intended to be sick: Arvo's bag consisted of mostly painkillers and he described her sickness as c… moreausing her to cry, which makes the walkers cum. Natasha was indeed supposed to have sickle cell anemia, which matches up with the symptoms and prescripted medication perfectly. Her strained unused/muffled English dialogue combined with her pale skin seem to back this up.
As I brought up in Dan's topic, people apparently assumed Arvo was lying because Natasha came along for the confrontation (and because they don't like him, but the point being), when this could be an indication of what type of person she is. It's entirely possible that going after the group was her idea, since it was her health, her medicine, and her brother that was threatened. Granted, that's just a hypothesis on my part. but the alternative cutscenes and translated dialogue seem to back this up a bit.
Probably. Again, something that should've/would've made that situation a tad more interesting/complicated/grey than "You robbed this guy! Oh wait, he's a Russian? Nevermind--the Cold War is NEVER over! This is for the RED SCARE! Remember the CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS!"
Oh, what the- WHERE WAS THIS WHEN I WROTE MY UNINTENTIONALLY SYMPATHETIC EXAMPLE?! It's very disjointed and out of order, but it still would… more've helped.
I guess TV Tropes was a more spot on about the Russian Group than I thought: though Vitali seems a little more sensible at first before things got outta hand so I guess he just has a dangerous fuse. But yeah, Buricko seems like an even bigger dick than I thought considering Vitali(the crazy one) is asking him to calm down.
Interesting that Clementine can try to downplay that she consciously robbed him or offer to give him something in return.
Also, I love how Bonnie apparently reacts to learning Arvo's name with disgust, not to mention how angry she is in general. Wow, Kenny really is Not so Different to a LOT of people.
My Clementine didn't steal from Arvo. That was Jane and Arvo asks were she was and she was the one that threatened and stole from Arvo. Not … moreClem or the group. She pointed a gun at Arvo also. They should have went after her and not us. They called her a cowardly *****. They haven't had action in awhile and wanted to humiliate Jane in that way (like Carver did to Rebecca.) That's what they said. When Mike or Bonnie if she is alive still, take supplies from the group, they steal from AJ. Leave Arvo like we did with Lilly. I dropped Ben as a good guy looking after the group.
Someone could be sick with cancer and still be able to hold a gun and walk. Besides, in TWD, you HAVE to move around. You also forgot to look at Natasha's appearance - pale skin, somewhat slurred speech, she also looked scrawny (not the starved type). I forget who it was that made the comment, but they linked everything with what Natasha was sick with.
Actually, Natasha was [at the very least] intended to be sick: Arvo's bag consisted of mostly painkillers and he described her sickness as causing her to cry, which makes the walkers cum. Natasha was indeed supposed to have sickle cell anemia, which matches up with the symptoms and prescripted medication perfectly. Her strained unused/muffled English dialogue combined with her pale skin seem to back this up.
As I brought up in Dan's topic, people apparently assumed Arvo was lying because Natasha came along for the confrontation (and because they don't like him, but the point being), when this could be an indication of what type of person she is. It's entirely possible that going after the group was her idea, since it was her health, her medicine, and her brother that was threatened. Granted, that's just a hypothesis on my part. but the alternative cutscenes and translated dialogue seem to back this up a bit.
Someone could be sick with cancer and still be able to hold a gun and walk. Besides, in TWD, you HAVE to move around. You also forgot to loo… morek at Natasha's appearance - pale skin, somewhat slurred speech, she also looked scrawny (not the starved type). I forget who it was that made the comment, but they linked everything with what Natasha was sick with.
I may have been me:
Actually, Natasha was [at the very least] intended to be sick: Arvo's bag consisted of mostly painkillers and he d… moreescribed her sickness as causing her to cry, which makes the walkers cum. Natasha was indeed supposed to have sickle cell anemia, which matches up with the symptoms and prescripted medication perfectly. Her strained unused/muffled English dialogue combined with her pale skin seem to back this up.
As I brought up in Dan's topic, people apparently assumed Arvo was lying because Natasha came along for the confrontation (and because they don't like him, but the point being), when this could be an indication of what type of person she is. It's entirely possible that going after the group was her idea, since it was her health, her medicine, and her brother that was threatened. Granted, that's just a hypothesis on my part. but the alternative cutscenes and translated dialogue seem to back this up a bit.
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somewhat slurred speech
Well, that's one way of puttin it...
I don't find actions driven by such selfishness can be classified as morally grey. We knew that his intent was "revenge." Which in and of itself certainly isn't morally pure. I'd argue in his case was morally vile.
But all-in-all, the episode is really to blame so I find that although Arvo is a fucking piece of bologna. Much like everything else, he's almost too unbelievable in his motivations.
Clementine would've realistically shot him the moment he reached back into his truck to pull out a rifle, and from a writing standpoint would've divided people more down the middle if there were a scene in which Clementine talks to a tied up Arvo rather than kicking the audience little glances of him and Mike sucking each other off or whatever the fuck she was seeing.
Dividing wasn't something TT wanted though, cause we're supposed to be invested in Kenny and Jane's arbitrary feud entirely so I assume they just wanted another "empathetic villain."
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Sorry to dig up an old comment, but what did you mean by this? I think I get the gist, but I'm curious for your take.
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You might be right.
Bonnie.
Thought so. As much as I hate Jane, it's admittedly a little fuzzy whether she technically betrayed Clementine from certain POVs.
As for Bonnie, I always kinda felt bad for her after Luke died given what we've been shown about her life up to that point. I don't approve of what she did in reaction to that, but I understand that she was in a dark place.
That's one of the phrases that encapsulates @DabigRG!
Bonnie told me she'd never betray me ever again. And then 2 episodes later, she turned out to be nothing but a big, fat, hypocritical liar.
Rashid and Vanessa.
To be fair, I'm sure she meant that at the time. I talked about this somewhere before, but it's entirely possible outright betraying Clementine wasn't on her table when Mike came to her about leaving. Leaving her to die is determinately an overly harsh reaction to not being able to personally save Luke.
Also, most of that is inaccurate.
LOL! Arvo is completely innocent.... apart from that one time he almost fatally wounded us. GTFOOH, that asshole got every punch he deserved.
Mmmmokay is everyone just gonna forget how Arvo held Clem at gunpoint during their first encounter, and the whole lie about "my sick seestah?"
Well yes, the big and fat parts are inaccurate, but I only meant figuratively lol.
Actually, Natasha was [at the very least] intended to be sick: Arvo's bag consisted of mostly painkillers and he described her sickness as causing her to cry, which makes the walkers cum. Natasha was indeed supposed to have sickle cell anemia, which matches up with the symptoms and prescripted medication perfectly. Her strained unused/muffled English dialogue combined with her pale skin seem to back this up.
As I brought up in Dan's topic, people apparently assumed Arvo was lying because Natasha came along for the confrontation (and because they don't like him, but the point being), when this could be an indication of what type of person she is. It's entirely possible that going after the group was her idea, since it was her health, her medicine, and her brother that was threatened. Granted, that's just a hypothesis on my part. but the alternative cutscenes and translated dialogue seem to back this up a bit.
Lol.
"If she 'ad any meat on her, she'd make a delectable dish!"
Thank you for the backup, but as a general rule I don't take the wiki's word on ages to heart since anyone can edit them with what age they think the characters are. I only really go off of developer or in-game confirmation (Lee is 37, Sam is 22, Luke is 27, etc). So I guess whoever edited the wiki just agrees with me about Arvo's appeared age, haha
Who is us?
And unless you can think of a far better argument than that one MAJOR f*** up, then just walk away. I have a list of things here that I can use.
It wasn't a lie, hon.
Once again with the near-intentional racial slanders...
And what the heck would you do to keep your stuff safe? No matter what, there's no possibility that a child couldn't handle themselves considering the apocalypse had been active for over two years. That, and Arvo was just jumpy.
I call bullshit. Why? There was someone who posted the script for the end scene in Episode 4 and there's nothing about rape in there.
http://pastebin.com/bSAHc09i
Someone posted this here on the TTG forums. Don't know who or when, I just found this in another forum asking for translations and someone posted the link saying that someone on the TTG forums sent this.
http://pastebin.com/bSAHc09i
To everyone who thinks they know or want to know what the Russians were saying during the confrontation, here's a transcript with Russian translations.
I'm going with this rather than what people say as I trust the script more than the people on here. (No offence intended)
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
I think @SemiSweet might think Clementine and him/her are the same person.
SemiSweet got emotionally wounded, and Clementine got physically wonded.
You do realize I'm being sarcastically literal, right?
I was replying to the "who is us?" part. I ignored the rest of it.
Still being sarcastically literal. The last part I wasn't, the first part I was
Oh okay.
Oh, what the- WHERE WAS THIS WHEN I WROTE MY UNINTENTIONALLY SYMPATHETIC EXAMPLE?! It's very disjointed and out of order, but it still would've helped.
I guess TV Tropes was a more spot on about the Russian Group than I thought: though Vitali seems a little more sensible at first before things got outta hand so I guess he just has a dangerous fuse. But yeah, Buricko seems like an even bigger dick than I thought considering Vitali(the crazy one) is asking him to calm down.
Interesting that Clementine can try to downplay that she consciously robbed him or offer to give him something in return.
Also, I love how Bonnie apparently reacts to learning Arvo's name with disgust, not to mention how angry she is in general.
Wow, Kenny really is Not so Different to a LOT of people.
That and considering how badass (and determinately "Edgy") Clementine is, drawing his gun in self-defense was one of the smartest things he could do. Even if his shaking hand kinda calls his bluff....
Oh, what the- WHERE WAS THIS WHEN I WROTE MY UNINTENTIONALLY SYMPATHETIC EXAMPLE?! It's very disjointed and out of order, but it still would've helped.
I guess TV Tropes was a more spot on about the Russian Group than I thought: though Vitali seems a little more sensible at first before things got outta hand so I guess he just has a dangerous fuse. But yeah, Buricko seems like an even bigger dick than I thought considering Vitali(the crazy one) is asking him to calm down.
Interesting that Clementine can try to downplay that she consciously robbed him or offer to give him something in return.
Also, I love how Bonnie apparently reacts to learning Arvo's name with disgust, not to mention how angry she is in general.
Wow, Kenny really is Not so Different to a LOT of people.
Looked fine enough to get up, travel miles with her group, and successfully hold a gun and stick up another group of people
The worst condition she was in was walker form, honestly. Probably an abandoned subplot
But huhuhooo
Da hell?!
Probably. Again, something that should've/would've made that situation a tad more interesting/complicated/grey than "You robbed this guy! Oh wait, he's a Russian? Nevermind--the Cold War is NEVER over! This is for the RED SCARE! Remember the CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS!"
AH EEZ SOWWEH!!! ;A;
I found this just today soooo.....yeah XD
Once again, BULLSHIT.
There was no mention of rape and I doubt TTG would've put it in the game at all! They know their limits.
Quit making them sound bad like that.
Someone could be sick with cancer and still be able to hold a gun and walk. Besides, in TWD, you HAVE to move around. You also forgot to look at Natasha's appearance - pale skin, somewhat slurred speech, she also looked scrawny (not the starved type). I forget who it was that made the comment, but they linked everything with what Natasha was sick with.
I may have been me:
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Well, that's one way of puttin it...
Samantha to a dying Greg: Don't say that!
Oh shoot, stupid texting habits!
Dabig! Let's leave it at that; fuck!
Oooh, how'd THAT get there?
Sheesh—that's enough.
@Everyone'sClemInTime
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Sorry to dig up an old comment, but what did you mean by this? I think I get the gist, but I'm curious for your take.
He SHOT Clementine. How do you counter that?