Depending on your words and choices, he will have less or more reason to shoot Clementine. Clementine had (in his eyes) murdered his sister; that's more than reason enough.
Reanimation times vary - when Kenneth was using Arvo as a human-meatshield, he was unable to see his sister reanimate and Clementine is forced to shoot Natasha. Arvo, once again who is not aware his sister had turned, believed that Clementine had murdered her and that's what insinuates the anger towards her in the first place.
And don't give me that "but what if you're nice to him" bull crap. In the end, forgiveness does not come easy. At first I was angry and hated Arvo but after weighing in all of the things that happened to him, I began to actually feel sorry for him. Look throughout the thread and my arguments towards other arguments - that'll sum up pretty much everything.
I can see where you're coming from, but there are still things that Arvo does that imo weren't right no matter what, hence the hate towards him. He was trying to revive her but was pulled away by Kenny. Then Natasha just starts crawling towards Clementine and AJ ready to attack a walker. Clementine shoots her in the head and kills her which Arvo then sees and breaks out of Kenny's hold, and then looks t Clementine very angrily. If he had taken just second to actually look t his sister, he could see that she was already a walker by looking at her eyes and her skin. Not to mention the fact that Clementine might not have been the one to shoot Natasha when she first died. Where'es the anger shown for that person?
Also, when Mike, Determinate Bonnie and Arvo are leaving, Clementine has the choice to ask to come with them. Arvo still shoots her afterwards. How does that not call for some hate on him? She's a little girl, and he just shot her. Clementine was also just trying to protect the baby anyways.
He shot Clementine primarily out of anger.
Depending on your words and choices, he will have less or more reason to shoot Clementine. Cle… morementine had (in his eyes) murdered his sister; that's more than reason enough.
Reanimation times vary - when Kenneth was using Arvo as a human-meatshield, he was unable to see his sister reanimate and Clementine is forced to shoot Natasha. Arvo, once again who is not aware his sister had turned, believed that Clementine had murdered her and that's what insinuates the anger towards her in the first place.
And don't give me that "but what if you're nice to him" bull crap. In the end, forgiveness does not come easy. At first I was angry and hated Arvo but after weighing in all of the things that happened to him, I began to actually feel sorry for him. Look throughout the thread and my arguments towards other arguments - that'll sum up pretty much everything.
He shot Clementine primarily out of anger.
Depending on your words and choices, he will have less or more reason to shoot Clementine. Cle… morementine had (in his eyes) murdered his sister; that's more than reason enough.
Reanimation times vary - when Kenneth was using Arvo as a human-meatshield, he was unable to see his sister reanimate and Clementine is forced to shoot Natasha. Arvo, once again who is not aware his sister had turned, believed that Clementine had murdered her and that's what insinuates the anger towards her in the first place.
And don't give me that "but what if you're nice to him" bull crap. In the end, forgiveness does not come easy. At first I was angry and hated Arvo but after weighing in all of the things that happened to him, I began to actually feel sorry for him. Look throughout the thread and my arguments towards other arguments - that'll sum up pretty much everything.
Keeping in mind that both had their backs turned when she turned, when Arvo breaks free from Kenny and crawls his way over to Natasha's recently put down body, her eyes appeared to have closed.
Now that I'm looking at it, her skin does indeed have a greyer tint than it had when she was alive, so that's a thing. I know some people brought up that Arvo and his group may not have seen anyone turn before, which is plausible considering Buricko and especially Vitali's methods.
every time i see this thread, the same people are defend arvo and the same people want him dead. i really enjoy arvo, so it's such a disappointment to see that people still hate that kid and think that it's okay to use harmful slurs (commie, ruskie, etc.) against him. i haven't been on these forums in a while and i just thought that things would be a little better...
Oh yeah, I remember you. If only because of the metallic name.
As for the response to Arvo, I do believe him to be "overrated" as a villain because the fact that he shot Clementine is always brought up no matter the context, even though that happened after everything else involving him and it was a sign of character development that contrasted with his introduction. Not to mention the connotations of Jane being a hypocrite and Kenny being right for the wrong reasons pushed to the extreme of a self-fulfilling prophecy. So, since Arvo ended up shooting Clementine, that automatically makes Kenny(and by extension Jane and even Clementine)'s treatment of him A-OK and makes Mike(and by association Bonnie and even Luke)'s empathy for him wrong, even though that's not how math works.
Like I've said before, the morality of those last three episodes really got confusing and even hypocritical at times.
every time i see this thread, the same people are defend arvo and the same people want him dead. i really enjoy arvo, so it's such a disappo… moreintment to see that people still hate that kid and think that it's okay to use harmful slurs (commie, ruskie, etc.) against him. i haven't been on these forums in a while and i just thought that things would be a little better...
i mean....i've only been away from the forums for a few months.
but yeah, i really do agree with everything that you've said here. the topic of arvo has just become so draining and kind of boring because there are only a select few people that at least believe that he doesn't deserve death for his actions... this is going to sound like an unfair jab, but i'm not surprised anymore at telltale's treatment of arvo and the fandom's treatment of arvo; the only two disabled teenagers that the game has to offer, that being sarah and arvo, have been horribly mistreated since day one. i just feel like most people on these forums have such a black-and-white way of looking at things, compared to these pretty realistic characters.
Oh yeah, I remember you. If only because of the metallic name.
As for the response to Arvo, I do believe him to be "overrated" as a villa… morein because the fact that he shot Clementine is always brought up no matter the context, even though that happened after everything else involving him and it was a sign of character development that contrasted with his introduction. Not to mention the connotations of Jane being a hypocrite and Kenny being right for the wrong reasons pushed to the extreme of a self-fulfilling prophecy. So, since Arvo ended up shooting Clementine, that automatically makes Kenny(and by extension Jane and even Clementine)'s treatment of him A-OK and makes Mike(and by association Bonnie and even Luke)'s empathy for him wrong, even though that's not how math works.
Like I've said before, the morality of those last three episodes really got confusing and even hypocritical at times.
i mean....i've only been away from the forums for a few months.
I know cause I joined back in June.
this is going to sound like an unfair jab, but i'm not surprised anymore at telltale's treatment of arvo and the fandom's treatment of arvo; the only two disabled teenagers that the game has to offer, that being sarah and arvo, have been horribly mistreated since day one.
I agree, though I'd say Sarah's mistreatment wasn't really a thing until Episode 3 in universe and even then, you would think there was going to be a point to it. As I brought up a few times, it really is kinda odd and suspiciously on the nose that in the same episode where Sarah has her nervous breakdown and is dubbed a dangerous liability by Jane, they introduce Arvo as a villain with a sympathetic backstory(something Season 1 had down pat) and nothing concrete is done with that. Both have pretty decent foundations for their characters but it feels like they half-assed or outright skipped a few steps in implementing them properly beyond. As a result, Sarah doesn't quite make the cut for becoming "dangerous" before being abandoned to a disproportionately cruel death and Arvo is quickly demoted to a target and bloodhound, which means that Kenny and especially Jane's hypocritical treatment of them goes either unaddressed or is "justified" for the rest of the story.
Personally, I think that Arvo was just missing and ignoring a few details but Sarah is definitely the point where I think the writers just blatantly gave up and it really feels like it hurt the story more than anything else. I actually talk about some of these things at length in the "Thoughts on Season 2's Writing" thread.
i just feel like most people on these forums have such a black-and-white way of looking at things, compared to these pretty realistic characters.
Well, to be honest, I can't say I blame 'em considering how the Season went. Most of them can see the other side of the argument from time to time, but there are those select few who's discussion might just be ten words at the most.
i mean....i've only been away from the forums for a few months.
but yeah, i really do agree with everything that you've said here. the to… morepic of arvo has just become so draining and kind of boring because there are only a select few people that at least believe that he doesn't deserve death for his actions... this is going to sound like an unfair jab, but i'm not surprised anymore at telltale's treatment of arvo and the fandom's treatment of arvo; the only two disabled teenagers that the game has to offer, that being sarah and arvo, have been horribly mistreated since day one. i just feel like most people on these forums have such a black-and-white way of looking at things, compared to these pretty realistic characters.
Because people keep using the same darned reasons to hate Arvo and it's all they can think of. They don't accept reasoning, or they do but they still hate him.
Never thought this thread would turn out this way, but I'm impressed with how much debate has formed from this.
every time i see this thread, the same people are defend arvo and the same people want him dead. i really enjoy arvo, so it's such a disappo… moreintment to see that people still hate that kid and think that it's okay to use harmful slurs (commie, ruskie, etc.) against him. i haven't been on these forums in a while and i just thought that things would be a little better...
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He shot Clementine primarily out of anger.
Depending on your words and choices, he will have less or more reason to shoot Clementine. Clementine had (in his eyes) murdered his sister; that's more than reason enough.
Reanimation times vary - when Kenneth was using Arvo as a human-meatshield, he was unable to see his sister reanimate and Clementine is forced to shoot Natasha. Arvo, once again who is not aware his sister had turned, believed that Clementine had murdered her and that's what insinuates the anger towards her in the first place.
And don't give me that "but what if you're nice to him" bull crap. In the end, forgiveness does not come easy. At first I was angry and hated Arvo but after weighing in all of the things that happened to him, I began to actually feel sorry for him. Look throughout the thread and my arguments towards other arguments - that'll sum up pretty much everything.
I can see where you're coming from, but there are still things that Arvo does that imo weren't right no matter what, hence the hate towards him. He was trying to revive her but was pulled away by Kenny. Then Natasha just starts crawling towards Clementine and AJ ready to attack a walker. Clementine shoots her in the head and kills her which Arvo then sees and breaks out of Kenny's hold, and then looks t Clementine very angrily. If he had taken just second to actually look t his sister, he could see that she was already a walker by looking at her eyes and her skin. Not to mention the fact that Clementine might not have been the one to shoot Natasha when she first died. Where'es the anger shown for that person?
Also, when Mike, Determinate Bonnie and Arvo are leaving, Clementine has the choice to ask to come with them. Arvo still shoots her afterwards. How does that not call for some hate on him? She's a little girl, and he just shot her. Clementine was also just trying to protect the baby anyways.
But how did Arvo not notice his Sister's eyes?
Because they were closed?
I'm pretty sure they were open.
Keeping in mind that both had their backs turned when she turned, when Arvo breaks free from Kenny and crawls his way over to Natasha's recently put down body, her eyes appeared to have closed.
Now that I'm looking at it, her skin does indeed have a greyer tint than it had when she was alive, so that's a thing. I know some people brought up that Arvo and his group may not have seen anyone turn before, which is plausible considering Buricko and especially Vitali's methods.
every time i see this thread, the same people are defend arvo and the same people want him dead. i really enjoy arvo, so it's such a disappointment to see that people still hate that kid and think that it's okay to use harmful slurs (commie, ruskie, etc.) against him. i haven't been on these forums in a while and i just thought that things would be a little better...
Oh yeah, I remember you. If only because of the metallic name.
As for the response to Arvo, I do believe him to be "overrated" as a villain because the fact that he shot Clementine is always brought up no matter the context, even though that happened after everything else involving him and it was a sign of character development that contrasted with his introduction. Not to mention the connotations of Jane being a hypocrite and Kenny being right for the wrong reasons pushed to the extreme of a self-fulfilling prophecy. So, since Arvo ended up shooting Clementine, that automatically makes Kenny(and by extension Jane and even Clementine)'s treatment of him A-OK and makes Mike(and by association Bonnie and even Luke)'s empathy for him wrong, even though that's not how math works.
Like I've said before, the morality of those last three episodes really got confusing and even hypocritical at times.
i mean....i've only been away from the forums for a few months.
but yeah, i really do agree with everything that you've said here. the topic of arvo has just become so draining and kind of boring because there are only a select few people that at least believe that he doesn't deserve death for his actions... this is going to sound like an unfair jab, but i'm not surprised anymore at telltale's treatment of arvo and the fandom's treatment of arvo; the only two disabled teenagers that the game has to offer, that being sarah and arvo, have been horribly mistreated since day one. i just feel like most people on these forums have such a black-and-white way of looking at things, compared to these pretty realistic characters.
I know cause I joined back in June.
I agree, though I'd say Sarah's mistreatment wasn't really a thing until Episode 3 in universe and even then, you would think there was going to be a point to it. As I brought up a few times, it really is kinda odd and suspiciously on the nose that in the same episode where Sarah has her nervous breakdown and is dubbed a dangerous liability by Jane, they introduce Arvo as a villain with a sympathetic backstory(something Season 1 had down pat) and nothing concrete is done with that. Both have pretty decent foundations for their characters but it feels like they half-assed or outright skipped a few steps in implementing them properly beyond. As a result, Sarah doesn't quite make the cut for becoming "dangerous" before being abandoned to a disproportionately cruel death and Arvo is quickly demoted to a target and bloodhound, which means that Kenny and especially Jane's hypocritical treatment of them goes either unaddressed or is "justified" for the rest of the story.
Personally, I think that Arvo was just missing and ignoring a few details but Sarah is definitely the point where I think the writers just blatantly gave up and it really feels like it hurt the story more than anything else. I actually talk about some of these things at length in the "Thoughts on Season 2's Writing" thread.
Well, to be honest, I can't say I blame 'em considering how the Season went. Most of them can see the other side of the argument from time to time, but there are those select few who's discussion might just be ten words at the most.
Because people keep using the same darned reasons to hate Arvo and it's all they can think of. They don't accept reasoning, or they do but they still hate him.
Never thought this thread would turn out this way, but I'm impressed with how much debate has formed from this.