I think the only reason Clem & Lee aren't "unstable" (using the term in the broadest sense) is because we're playing them. The player is not experiencing things as the characters are; we can pause at any time, we make choices in a rational state of mind.
In the intervening years between TWD2 and New Frontier, though... Who knows. Clementine can't be a ray of sunshine forever.
I'm 100% a Kenny fan, but I really loved that dick shooting moment. For all we know, Troy had raped her in the past, and/or she was playing at being his girlfriend for favors. (It seemed like she was trying the same with Luke, come to think of it...)
Yes, but differently than Kenny. Jane hides her instability. She seems mostly calm and normal, but could casually shoot guys in the cojones, abandon people when they need her, and trick people into killing others.
Owen Thomas mentioned that Troy was supposed to be seen harassing her at one point during development but it got cut with any other evidence being nonexistent, so I think the latter is what we were supposed to assume.
The point is that Jane can do some messed up stuff at the drop of a hat.
casually shoot guys in the cojones
I'm 100% a Kenny fan, but I really loved that dick shooting moment. For all we know, Troy had rap… moreed her in the past, and/or she was playing at being his girlfriend for favors. (It seemed like she was trying the same with Luke, come to think of it...)
casually shoot guys in the cojones
I'm 100% a Kenny fan, but I really loved that dick shooting moment. For all we know, Troy had rap… moreed her in the past, and/or she was playing at being his girlfriend for favors. (It seemed like she was trying the same with Luke, come to think of it...)
(It seemed like she was trying the same with Luke, come to think of it...)
What favors could she get from Luke? Especially when she was thinking about leaving by that point.
I'd say that it depends on your definition of unstable. For some the word brings up thoughts of someone who is "crazy" or "explosive". For o… morethers, it just entails someone who isn't in the best state of mind.
In the sense of the former, I would not consider her to be unstable. She, for the most part, has a good handle on her person.
However, when I think of what it means to be unstable, I tend to gravitate towards the second interpretation. So with that in mind, I would consider her to be unstable. In fact, I'd consider every character to be unstable in some way, shape, or form. Of course the degree of instability varies, but you could argue any character unstable.
While overall Jane handles herself with deliberation and control, she has carried out her fair share of questionable actions. But even then, you could apply sound reasoning to the majority of her choices. Still, a few do pose some questions regarding her mental state.
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Oh, and "pissed" in Ireland and the UK just means seriously drunk.
Huh. I spent an hour today researching p53 for a biology assignment, and I feel as if I've learned next to nothing. I learn that "pissed" means drunk in different regions, and I feel as if I've discovered the meaning of life. Thank you, good alcohol-induced coma sir!
Owen Thomas mentioned that Troy was supposed to be seen harassing her at one point during development but it got cut with any other evidence… more being nonexistent, so I think the latter is what we were supposed to assume.
The point is that Jane can do some messed up stuff at the drop of a hat.
Why would she decide to shoot him on the cock instead of anywhere else?
And also, Troy appeared to be about to say that she needed to get… more a bath before they had sex after escaping, before she shot him.
Troy: Man, you smell really bad!
Troy: [Smirk] You need to get a bath before we
Troy: [Screams like a rooster.]
Troy: You shot my dick off!
Why would she decide to shoot him on the cock instead of anywhere else?
Because it was an easy way to neutralize him at that range? Plus, if they were doin' it, I assume he probably got too aggressive with her or somethin.
I meant unpredictable as in uncontrolled and essentially volatile.
We weren't able to predict it, because, obviously, we never knew what she was about to do. I was alluding to the fact that she consciously decided to do all of that; she didn't just rush it all half-assedly without thinking about what she was doing. She was in control of her actions; her impulses were not in control of her.
The exception I'd say was when she engaged in a lethal fight against Kenny. However, if we consider all of her actions, she is no more unpredictable than any one of us. I would say that she does an exceptionally good job at keeping her whims on a leash.
Oddly enough I think the most Jane has been unstable was at the end of episode 3, other than that just pragmatic or too attached to Clementine as a replacement for her sister (I wouldn't call that being unstable). She was acting completely nuts when Troy showed up and wanted to act like a walker, but understandable (I guess) since she's in a very stressful situation.
Jolene, The Strangers, Michelle, Jane, Mathew, Carver - what were they not picky about again?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but in the apocalypse, you literally can't be very picky about anything and even Lee and Kenny knew that - pointing towards their reactions when dishing out rations.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but in the apocalypse, you literally can't be very picky about anything and even Lee and Kenny knew that - pointing towards their reactions when dishing out rations.
Exactly.
Jolene, The Strangers, Michelle, Jane, Mathew, Carver - what were they not picky about again?
Jolene was so screwed up after and being gangraped by her ex-coworkers and left to fend for herself that she became fixated on Clementine and went as far as to say Lee stole her from her (which Danny of all people shows concern about, hilariously) in mad reference to having her daughter taken away.
The Stranger lost his family due to a misjudgement on his part with Kenny stealing their food ruining any chance of fixing it, so he comes after the group because revenge is all he has and grows accustomed to Clementine and resentful of Lee for making the same mistakes he made, which causes him to say he's going to hurt Lee before adopting Clementine to make a new family.
Michelle was a petty thief who commented on Clementine's lack of any good supplies and tried to take her hat for the sake of it before loosing interest, even making "you gotta be mean to keep goin' out there" her motto.
Matthew and Carver were just me making fun of their tastes in men/women.
Jane was just me getting confused at your comment, because she is the last person who shoud be calling anyone picky. Even more so than Carver, who at least pretended to give those with a disadvantage something resembling a "fair" chance.
Brenda, Danny - can't be picky with what you eat
Jolene, The Strangers, Michelle, Jane, Mathew, Carver - what were they not picky about a… moregain?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but in the apocalypse, you literally can't be very picky about anything and even Lee and Kenny knew that - pointing towards their reactions when dishing out rations.
I think Jane was unstable and was throught the rest of the season. She didn't trust anyone and expected everyone to die and have no hope. The main thing Lee, Clem, and Kenny had in season 1 and 2 was hope. They always hoped there was a better place somewhere in the world. Jane however doubted that anyone would survive. Jane's mind filled with doubt is why I choose Kenny and the alone ending every time I play. The Walking Dead is always about hope!!!
Sorry but there are times when Lee, Clementine and Kenny all lack hope in both seasons. They reclaim it eventually, yes, but so does Jane in her ending. She talks about how they can make a new life.
I think Jane was unstable and was throught the rest of the season. She didn't trust anyone and expected everyone to die and have no hope. Th… moree main thing Lee, Clem, and Kenny had in season 1 and 2 was hope. They always hoped there was a better place somewhere in the world. Jane however doubted that anyone would survive. Jane's mind filled with doubt is why I choose Kenny and the alone ending every time I play. The Walking Dead is always about hope!!!
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Jane's plan regarding Kenny and the baby, I think that answers the entire question.
Better the paternal n caring devil you know than the easily triggered psycho one you don't...
I think the only reason Clem & Lee aren't "unstable" (using the term in the broadest sense) is because we're playing them. The player is not experiencing things as the characters are; we can pause at any time, we make choices in a rational state of mind.
In the intervening years between TWD2 and New Frontier, though... Who knows. Clementine can't be a ray of sunshine forever.
I'm 100% a Kenny fan, but I really loved that dick shooting moment. For all we know, Troy had raped her in the past, and/or she was playing at being his girlfriend for favors. (It seemed like she was trying the same with Luke, come to think of it...)
Owen Thomas mentioned that Troy was supposed to be seen harassing her at one point during development but it got cut with any other evidence being nonexistent, so I think the latter is what we were supposed to assume.
The point is that Jane can do some messed up stuff at the drop of a hat.
What favors could she get from Luke? Especially when she was thinking about leaving by that point.
Sum'a dat dick!
I counted 7 and now I'm pissed.
Well, if you actually took the shots I'd say that by "pissed" you mean that you've passed out in a puddle of your own urine.
Knowing my drinking ability, I'd probably be in a coma.
Oh, and "pissed" in Ireland and the UK just means seriously drunk.
Huh. I spent an hour today researching p53 for a biology assignment, and I feel as if I've learned next to nothing. I learn that "pissed" means drunk in different regions, and I feel as if I've discovered the meaning of life. Thank you, good alcohol-induced coma sir!
:x doesn't really answer the question but ok.
Could learn some tricks from Jane
Oh gosh, flashbacks of her zipping her boot up xD
Why would she decide to shoot him on the cock instead of anywhere else?
And also, Troy appeared to be about to say that she needed to get a bath before they had sex after escaping, before she shot him.
Because it was an easy way to neutralize him at that range? Plus, if they were doin' it, I assume he probably got too aggressive with her or somethin.
... I was making fun of the fact that Jane is probably easy street. Also, Imma dude, y'know.
There's my other argument as well.
I meant unpredictable as in uncontrolled and essentially volatile.
We weren't able to predict it, because, obviously, we never knew what she was about to do. I was alluding to the fact that she consciously decided to do all of that; she didn't just rush it all half-assedly without thinking about what she was doing. She was in control of her actions; her impulses were not in control of her.
The exception I'd say was when she engaged in a lethal fight against Kenny. However, if we consider all of her actions, she is no more unpredictable than any one of us. I would say that she does an exceptionally good job at keeping her whims on a leash.
Can't afford to be picky in the apocalypse...
Oddly enough I think the most Jane has been unstable was at the end of episode 3, other than that just pragmatic or too attached to Clementine as a replacement for her sister (I wouldn't call that being unstable). She was acting completely nuts when Troy showed up and wanted to act like a walker, but understandable (I guess) since she's in a very stressful situation.
That was Brenda, Danny, Jolene, the Stranger, Michelle, Jane, and possibly Matthew and Carver's thought process as well.
Brenda, Danny - can't be picky with what you eat
Jolene, The Strangers, Michelle, Jane, Mathew, Carver - what were they not picky about again?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but in the apocalypse, you literally can't be very picky about anything and even Lee and Kenny knew that - pointing towards their reactions when dishing out rations.
Exactly.
Jolene was so screwed up after and being gangraped by her ex-coworkers and left to fend for herself that she became fixated on Clementine and went as far as to say Lee stole her from her (which Danny of all people shows concern about, hilariously) in mad reference to having her daughter taken away.
The Stranger lost his family due to a misjudgement on his part with Kenny stealing their food ruining any chance of fixing it, so he comes after the group because revenge is all he has and grows accustomed to Clementine and resentful of Lee for making the same mistakes he made, which causes him to say he's going to hurt Lee before adopting Clementine to make a new family.
Michelle was a petty thief who commented on Clementine's lack of any good supplies and tried to take her hat for the sake of it before loosing interest, even making "you gotta be mean to keep goin' out there" her motto.
Matthew and Carver were just me making fun of their tastes in men/women.
Jane was just me getting confused at your comment, because she is the last person who shoud be calling anyone picky. Even more so than Carver, who at least pretended to give those with a disadvantage something resembling a "fair" chance.
I think Jane was unstable and was throught the rest of the season. She didn't trust anyone and expected everyone to die and have no hope. The main thing Lee, Clem, and Kenny had in season 1 and 2 was hope. They always hoped there was a better place somewhere in the world. Jane however doubted that anyone would survive. Jane's mind filled with doubt is why I choose Kenny and the alone ending every time I play. The Walking Dead is always about hope!!!
Yes, but she was less far gone than Kenny was.
Sorry but there are times when Lee, Clementine and Kenny all lack hope in both seasons. They reclaim it eventually, yes, but so does Jane in her ending. She talks about how they can make a new life.
I Did say that in the original post.