Which unexplored character relationships were you most curious about?
Hello again. I hope you all enjoyed my last topic. Now I want to spotlight some eyebrow-raising character interactions in TWD season 2. I'm sure there were a few in season 1 too. If you remember them or have played it recently, feel free to add them here.
These were the moments that were among the most interesting to me in season 2 and could be considered snapshots of additional story-telling potential. I feel like the writers dropped the ball on explaining some things that could have helped us learn about the characters and their relationships to each other. For example, I really wanted to know what Carver said to Sarah on the roof. He put his arm around her in a creepy yet fatherly way, and I found the sudden closeness to be odd after he made Carlos smack her. As a result that gesture coming from Carver was almost menacing. He could have been giving her a speech or a warning. Troy's conversation with Jane when escaping was similarly interesting. He had a wistful and almost tender expression on his face like he was naive enough to believe Jane wanted to leave with him. That showed a new side of his character and the possibility that they had talked about running away together. I also wondered why Luke told Bonnie he was sorry in episode 5. His being sorry he rejected her wouldn't make sense because we did not find out she loved him until later in the episode. So it had to be about sleeping with Jane, arguing with Kenny, or something else entirely. And consider Randy in the ending if you went with Jane to Howe's. He angrily jerked away from Patricia. There is something suspect about that. It caused me to think Jane could be right not to trust them.
The honourable mentions go to the expression held by Sarah when Clem gave her her glasses and Bonnie and Mike exchanging glances when Kenny got in the pickup. Would you call these foreshadowing?
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For me it'd probably be Luke and Nick, Kenny and Sarita, Carver and Rebecca, Luke and Bonnie.
I know we already learn a bit about Luke and Nick, but I'd still like to learn more.
Luke and Nick's "friendship."
If you know what I mean.
LOL. I didn't get the impression they were that type of "friends" either. So what did you think of season 2, Acheive250? It would be cool to get a fresh perspective. Most of the people on here first played the game years ago I'm guessing.
That's not his expression...
THIS IS.
I thought he was putting on lipstick at first...
I thought it was amazing, if that's what you were asking. And I actually only finished it for the first time a couple of days ago.
I don't know why it gets so much hate. Sure, it's not as good as season one, but I think it's still really good.
It has hard choices, very emotional moments and good characters. (I know they weren't very developed, but still)
And also... That ending (the Kenny one) was so sad...
For me it'd probably be Sarita, Rebecca, Sarah, Carlos, Christa, Shel and Mike.
Lee and S1 Sam. In a bit of cut dialogue from Starved for Help, Carley/Doug (the one that got eaten at the drugstore) appears in Lee's nightmare taunting that he couldn't save either themself or Sam. It must have happened in the 3-month time skip after A New Day, and they seem to make it a pretty big deal, but nowhere else in cut, included, or external content is this "Sam" mentioned.
Also, Carver's George. Clearly, there's some relation to Alvin, and Alvin had beef with Carver, so I'm guessing George might have had something to do with Carver raping Rebecca. Maybe he was trying to stop the rape and got killed by mistake, or he was the instigator/enabler, or who knows? As much as I thought he could've been an excuse for Carver to have it out for Alvin, using his name as an alias and reminding Alvin about George while at gunpoint seems to imply that he meant a greater deal to Carver than we know.
We don't know for sure if Carver did rape Rebecca though.
No.
You know what, I tested the waters about a thread like this a month or two ago and just never got around to making it. Ah well, great thread!
Oh, where do I even begin? I'll list off a few and probably expand upon my thoughts about them later:
Clementine and Sarah(certain aspects, good or bad; some earlier predictions and theories...)
Sarah and Jane(the potential "rivalry" that was inferred/implied; actual interaction between two seeming opposites; some earlier predictions and theories...)
Clementine and Alvin(Partially due to dummied out content; Could've fleshed him out more)
Jane and Mike(No specific dynamic between two cellmates; Only two noteworthy scenes together)
Clementine and Sarita(With or without Kenny being the subject; Wasted potential in general)
Carver and Alvin(Implied former friendship;George;"I'm not nice")
Clementine and Mike(Partially due to dummied out content;He had an apparent concern for youths in dangerous situations that wasn't played up enough)
Carlos and Sarita(Seemed to get along well enough; Respected each other and their loved one)
Clementine and Kenny(felt needlessly forced at times)
Luke and Carver(Implied rivalry; Contrasting views; Hijacked by Kenny)
Clementine and Carlos(Contrasting views of Sarah; his character development is dreadfully underplayed; Limited interactions; Oddly enough, one of the only times a Cabin Group Member got to have a cool moment AND a redemption moment but it's unusually ignored)
Kenny and Sarah(Apparently his only positive relationship with a Cabin Group Member; Inherent similarities; Don't share a conversation despite being near each other fairly often; Ignored chances to show his softer side)
Clementine and Reggie(Kenny gets to talk to him instead; no interactions outside of first meeting and final assignment)
Luke and Alvin(Only specific interaction is offscreen; do they even share a line?)
Clementine and Arvo(Similar positions in their group; Similar dilemmas when it comes to morality and interdependence; This line; guilty conscious isn't developed; Hijacked by Kenny; antagonism is underplayed to the point of seeming sporadic)
Bonnie and Reggie(The two nicest people at Howe's (besides Shel) who both believe that living under Carver is for the best; His death is what causes her to start realizing that she's fighting for the wrong side)
Clementine and Rebecca(Ridiculously rushed character development; Same condition as Christa; Hijacked by Kenny)
Bonnie and Arvo(Was apparently disgusted when he first showed up; Is the one to tie him up; Does fuck all besides point fingers when Kenny pulverizes him; And they leave with each other because...?; This patched out content)
I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting, but these are the main ones that came to mind
Honestly did those two even say a word to eachother or even look at eachother? I dont think they even interacted once unlike any other of the characters.
I think they had a good relationship because she decided to bring Arvo along out of fear for him, Im pretty sure in my gameplay she got angry everytime Kenny threw him or something.
There are few moments where they hang near each other and react to certain things that happen to one another, but they never actually share a line. I mentioned that she could've been used to reestablish that even though he butts heads with others. Kenny was still a family man once and could've shown some genuinely softer moments with her.
Yeah missed opportunity. Luckily he still shows that with Clementine though.
When was Carlos's redemption moment? Was it his death?
Yeah, but something characters like him and especially Jane need are chances to show their positive traits outside of circumstance. Sure, he does have something of a soft spot for Clementine, but something people point out is the fact that their relationship is primarily based on the fact that they both knew Lee around the same time and a few even note that he wasn't always the most considerate about her even back then. I'm glad he does sometimes show something resembling a bond with her throughout Season 2, but I feel like that could've been a little more prominent. I think having him be genuinely nice to someone like Sarah as well would not only make this even more apparent, but it would show that he's not always biased about people he would obviously like(Duck, Sarita, Clementine) and people he probably wouldn't(Luke, Carlos,Jane), especially since he didn't really get along well with the rest of the Cabin Group.
I'm not sure he even had one lol.
Well, that and a few other moments that fit the bill:
I think the ultimate problem with was that he didn't get much time to interact with Clementine, thus preventing players from potentially getting close to him and learning about what caused him to do the things he does. It probably doesn't help that some players have a habit holding grudges to begin with.
Only for Luke's eyes.
I was the one who proposed this idea to you, da bug!
Oh yeah--that was you.
Luke and Bonnie. I was kinda curious to know more about their history, given Bonnie's conversation with Clementine in the armory.
Yeah, because his last words before he died were "Don't act like you didn't love every second of..."
Here's a few interactions I would've liked to have seen, if only for the fun of it
Lee and Alvin
Clementine and Jolene
Kenny and Nate
Lilly and Sarita
Larry and Troy
Ben and Lilly
Danny and Jolene
Christa and Rebecca
Molly and Ben
Vernon and Roman
Vince and Jane
Russell and Michelle
Nate and Jolene
Eddie and Bonnie
Bonnie and Nick
Shel and Carlos
Becca and Carver
Luke and Shel
Sarah and Arvo
Nick and Sarah
Sarita and Reggie
Jane and Natasha
That still doesn't really mean he raped her.
...I was agreeing with you.
It was mostly implied that either Rebecca had an affair with Alvin while with Carver, or had an affair with Carver while with Alvin. Rape wasn't implied, it was just a shitty comment he made that was to provoke anger from us aka bad writing. Had Carver raped Rebecca, I'm sure there would have been more hints beforehand. TTG isn't too scared to hint at rape directly like Jolene from season 1, and her daughter. So in short, I don't think Carver raped Rebecca at all. I think she was just disgusted by the kind of man he became, and that caused her to regret sleeping with him. Plus the fact that she didn't know who would be the father. In addition to that, she wouldn't have been scared to tell Alvin that she was raped.
It's late over by me, so I'm definitely leaving this post right here to make sure I come back and answer tomorrow. Love this question.
Oh, haha. Sorry.
Kenny and Chuck was interesting. Chuck said he already spoke to Kenny when Lee was unclipping the train boxes, Kenny also appears jealous when Katjaa is happy to see Chuck and insists he join the group. Also when they shared a drink at the front of the train, wonder what was said.
Chuck with the group in general.
Walter and Clementine - Had some interesting interactions when they first meet, would have liked to see him live a bit longer.
Becca and Clementine - Said this a few times now. This I feel would have been essential to the story. Give Clementine a younger rival/friend who is around equal in strength.
Lee and Carly - Lee takes his relationship with Carly to next level, ends up having a kid of his own. Sounds much better than the whole AJ stuff to me.
Kenny and Clementine season 2 - More interaction about the past and The Stranger situation.
Not sure if "equal" would've been what was on the table, but sure why not. I do genuinely believe it was a waste to not have her (and Taavia for that matter) do more in Episode 3 and I don't even care that much about her.
So, you just wanted to see more about the preexisting connections in general.
...K. Um, who would you have liked to see them interact with?
[Not trying to be condescending, but this is a thread about relationships.]
Yeah, sort of.
I guess the little bits of information they gave us made me want more.
Oooh, that's right! I forgot about that weird detail. Yeah, I would like to know what was planned for that in general.
Yeeeeah, that's an astounding example of how disappointing Carver and the third episode in general were.
From what I could gather, Carver and Alvin may have been friends at some point since he and Bonnie both talk about George as if he meant something to Alvin as well: if Alvin was killed by Kenny, Bonnie specifically notes that, whether he didn't mean for him to die or not, Alvin still killed George while the Cabin Group, Nick's mom, and Reggie were in the process of making their escape.
Not only that, but Rebecca clearly knew George as well if Carver used that name when he met Clementine and she sums up the reason he's after them as "he has trouble letting go." Given that she says this after almost letting on that he's after her specifically, it's entirely possible that George probably knew about what Carver did with Rebecca when he got in the way during their escape and so was [fatally] wounded by Alvin, which gave Carver yet another reason to be so cross with Alvin. After all, the only payoff that we get from Carver himself about this is if he has Alvin's tortured body sitting in the corner when he lets Clementine in, handwaving his "bullying" of him with a smug," We've got history."
It's fine.
Exactly. I don't know why so many people seem to think Carver raped Rebecca and claim it as fact. If Telltale really wanted to imply such a thing, they would've made it far more clear.
If I had to choose one and only one, I'd say the relationship between Jane and Sarah. Besides Jane's lines regarding the similarities she drew between Sarah and Jamie, they never really interacted directly. A focus on their more personal relationship sounds very interesting. I'd like to see their dynamics.