I believe that this is an interesting thread, albeit not a discussion itself.
It's easy to notice that a lot of effort has been put into it, and, from the perspective of somebody who hadn't encountered it until now, you are acting unnecessarily rude to @DabigRG.
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Apparently I had already commented here but it was a long while ago.
It was meant to give everyone a place where we could compare, contrast, and debate how the characters are similar or different to each other. To be honest, I hate creating threads specifically appealing to what I wanna talk about so I try to make things as vague and open as possible. In fact, I changed the title when I realized how unnecessarily niche and complicated it was to not scare any new curious contributors away.
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but there's bound to be someone who would want to see, add, or discuss any two or more characters.
I believe that this is an interesting thread, albeit not a discussion itself.
It's easy to notice that a lot of effort has been put into … moreit, and, from the perspective of somebody who hadn't encountered it until now, you are acting unnecessarily rude to @DabigRG.
Edited section
Apparently I had already commented here but it was a long while ago.
Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows?
It was meant to give everyone a place where we could compare, contrast, and debate how the characters are si… moremilar or different to each other. To be honest, I hate creating threads specifically appealing to what I wanna talk about so I try to make things as vague and open as possible. In fact, I changed the title when I realized how unnecessarily niche and complicated it was to not scare any new curious contributors away.
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but there's bound to be someone who would want to see, add, or discuss any two or more characters.
Both are sons whose fathers are looking out for them due to their belief that "family's all that matters," both have relatively similar appearences, both can be saved by Lee in the absence of their fathers, and both end up undead/deader due to their fathers not being there to protect them from being bitten by a walker. Shawn is the oldest of many siblings, is soft-spoken, kind, and resourceful, is allowed to take care of himself by his dad Hershel, and is concerned about the state of the world from first hand experience, while Duck is an only child, is loud, boisterous, and enthusiastic, is being protected by his dad Kenny, and is mostly indifferent towards the state of the world due to his childish naivety.
Both are parental authority figures with ways of parenting that has mixed results in that while their intentions are unambiguous good, it also ignores certain aspects of the kids' behavior. Pete's tough love towards taking up the mantle of keeping Nick in line is making Nick resent him for it, but he's also since he's allowing Nick to be in a position where he will make mistakes so he can learn from them; Carlos's babying and sheltering of Sarah meant she couldn't reliably act under stress, however he is also protecting Sarah from any legitimate danger. Of course, Pete's treatment of Nick is objectively the better, since Nick was eventually able to mellow out after his death and takes on any responsibility he feels he has to take seriously even if it eventually led to his death due to trying to save Sarah and Luke, while Sarah has a difficult time coping with Carlos's and unfortunately never gets nearly as far due to being killed off hours later thanks in part to the actions of Clementine and/or Jane.
Both are meek and unimposing teenagers of who are tall yet extremely skinny, wear cracked glasses, tend to shy away from any violence, have an older family member that they put most of their faith in, and have a few subtle moments that show that they are far from harmless, namely exhibiting surprising speed and stealth for someone of their holistic disposition. But while Sarah is a Hispanic girl that has been constantly sheltered to the point that some believe she has a mental disorder and is conditioned to tolerate being patronized and stay out of group decisions by her overprotective but well meaning dad, Arvo is a Russian boy who acts as a liaison for his group despite his entire right leg being in a squeaky, heavy metal brace and is primarily concerned with looking after his sick older sister, who trusts him enough to handle himself in a tense situation. As a result of this, they have different when forced to face conflict: Sarah is prone to either freaking out or freezing up under stress due to being emotional to a fault, whereas Arvo is capable of keeping his cool under fire but can suddenly explode into hysterics if stressed out for too long.
Additionally, both initially attempt to befriend and/or cooperate with Clementine despite meeting under sketchy circumstances, are taken prisoner and excessively punished or/and abused by an angry mustachioed man, are subject to sudden depreciation by Jane, and fall into a depression when they lose their only family member. However, their reactions to all of these incidents are drastically different: Sarah cherishes her friendship with Clementine if it is accepted and is crushed when she realizes her behavior is endangering both of their lives, is guilty by association with the Cabin Group and has her dad be forced to slap her for talking out of turn during Carver's morning report, has her friend consider leaving her to die due to being pressured by Jane's paranoid prejudice, and spends a majority of her remaining time trying to cope with the loss of Carlos while appearing to lament being a burden to Clementine; Arvo briefly expresses his regrets that he couldn't have met Clementine under friendlier but soon becomes livid when she appears to kill his sister, is guilty by association with the Russian Group and gets repeatedly insulted and beaten by the slowly slipping Kenny for various minor infractions, is stuck up with his own gun and has his belongings taken by the coldly pragmatic Jane, and spends a day obliviously mourning the loss of his sister before ultimately shooting Clementine as retribution.
Sorry I was just reading through the huge list and cannot think of one possible way Luke and Carley have the same/opposite personalities, other than being good hearted people lol.
Oh that's right, I forgot I included that list on the first page! Yeah, the similarities are really just that: similarities. The differences are so obvious that I'm going to downplay them to focus on their similarities.
Sorry I was just reading through the huge list and cannot think of one possible way Luke and Carley have the same/opposite personalities, other than being good hearted people lol.
tv tropes brings up hows roman's settlement is basically a lighter crawford.
but as i look at all the settlements we have seen so far they are all simaler with wellinton and monroe seeming to be the only somewhat good ones from a certain perspective.
tv tropes brings up hows roman's settlement is basically a lighter crawford.
but as i look at all the settlements we have seen so far th… moreey are all simaler with wellinton and monroe seeming to be the only somewhat good ones from a certain perspective.
Both are likable and attractive people in their late 20s whose friendly and understanding demeanors would make them very likable and appealing to the main character and who function as someone they can trust to be there for them when things get tough. Both help rescue the main character from walkers in their first appearance, both have a weapon of choice, both go out of their way to defend a younger friend from their allies, both have moments where their personal gripes causes them to act in an irritable manner, both suffer from survivor's guilt after losing someone they care about, and both begin to develop romantic interests that death does them part.
Carley saves Lee and Kenny's alliance when they get surrounded by walkers outside the Everett Pharmacy, keeps a Glock 17 in her purse, mutually defends Ben when the unhinged Lilly accuses them of stealing from the group, gets testy with Glenn for wasting time trying to save Irene, has recurring nightmares due to being saved over Doug, and has her respective interests in Doug and determinately Lee interrupted by walkers or Lily, while Luke saves Clementine in the woods when she gets pinned down by lurkers alongside Pete, keeps with a machete strapped to his back, vouches for her when the grievous Nick and Rebecca want to put her down, goes off at Kenny for calling him out on his recent irresponsibility, eventually feels like a failure for being the sole survivor of his group, and has is mutual fling with Jane interrupted when he falls into a icy lake.
Carley and Luke
Both are likable and attractive people in their late 20s whose friendly and understanding demeanors would make them very … morelikable and appealing to the main character and who function as someone they can trust to be there for them when things get tough. Both help rescue the main character from walkers in their first appearance, both have a weapon of choice, both go out of their way to defend a younger friend from their allies, both have moments where their personal gripes causes them to act in an irritable manner, both suffer from survivor's guilt after losing someone they care about, and both begin to develop romantic interests that death does them part.
Carley saves Lee and Kenny's alliance when they get surrounded by walkers outside the Everett Pharmacy, keeps a Glock 17 in her purse, mutually defends Ben when the unhinged Lilly accuses them of stealing from the group, gets testy with Glenn for wasting time trying to s… [view original content]
No prob, bob! I didn't think it would get that long, but that's what happens when you make specific comparisons.
EDIT: Holy shit! That was a milestone contribution! Thanks!
Okay, wanna encourage some actual discussion here while I consider my next subject: Who would you guys consider to be Season 2's version of each Season 1 Character?
Namely Kenny, Lilly, Carley, Doug, Ben, Stranger, St. John, Jolene, etc.
I don't think there are many comparisons that can be made enough that would justify saying one is LIKE another. I do think Sarah was more like Clementine in season 1 than Ben, which I've seen players suggest. Sarah had a young child-like innocent's mentality. Ben had a grip on reality and a willingness to try even through his fear and inexperience. I think Nick is how Ben might have turned out or was had he been older. Jane has some of the same qualities as Lilly: hard-line pragmatism, distrust of outsiders, placing survival above all else. I think an additional parallel can be drawn between the way both characters go out, albeit Jane's decision is more calculative while Lilly's is purely from emotion (Carley). Two cold, self-reliant, pragmatic characters who experienced a break in their psyches. The question posed with Jane could be: But was it a natural progression? I believe her obvious distress if Clementine chooses to leave her says otherwise. It is almost akin to saying "but I killed him for YOU"
Okay, wanna encourage some actual discussion here while I consider my next subject: Who would you guys consider to be Season 2's version of each Season 1 Character?
Namely Kenny, Lilly, Carley, Doug, Ben, Stranger, St. John, Jolene, etc.
I do think Sarah was more like Clementine in season 1 than Ben, which I've seen players suggest.
Yeah, that seems to be pretty much the idea, since she is essentially the Kenny to Clementine's Lee. She even has the same basic facial structure if you look closely.
I think the Ben parallels were mainly generated by people who didn't like her, which included people within the Telltale staff unfortunately: this character didn't do something right, something bad happens not long afterward, maybe someone dies around the same timeframe. Just an excuse for the opinionated and judgmental to persecute, really. Even Clementine gets that treatment everyone once in a while.
Jane has some of the same qualities as Lilly
Yep. Two logical women who happen to clash with the emotional Kenny over what's for the best.
I think Nick is how Ben might have turned out or was had he been older.
Ben with family issues and a temper.
The question posed with Jane could be: But was it a natural progression?
In my opinion, yes. Much of my [disapproving] viewpoints on Jane are propped up by the fact that what she says/does at the end isn't that out of nowhere: paying attention to the things she does/says and how she says it from day one shows that she was cracked a good while ago; dealing with the likes of Kenny and Clementine just happened to bring it out for extended periods of time.
I believe her obvious distress if Clementine chooses to leave her says otherwise. It is almost akin to saying "but I killed him for YOU"
Yeeeah...Jane has a number of unfortunate implications and weird connotations about her.
I don't think there are many comparisons that can be made enough that would justify saying one is LIKE another. I do think Sarah was more li… moreke Clementine in season 1 than Ben, which I've seen players suggest. Sarah had a young child-like innocent's mentality. Ben had a grip on reality and a willingness to try even through his fear and inexperience. I think Nick is how Ben might have turned out or was had he been older. Jane has some of the same qualities as Lilly: hard-line pragmatism, distrust of outsiders, placing survival above all else. I think an additional parallel can be drawn between the way both characters go out, albeit Jane's decision is more calculative while Lilly's is purely from emotion (Carley). Two cold, self-reliant, pragmatic characters who experienced a break in their psyches. The question posed with Jane could be: But was it a natural progression? I believe her obvious distress if Clementine chooses to leave her says otherwise. It is almost akin to saying "but I killed him for YOU"
I can think of a few more similarities. Reggie reminded me a little of Doug. Both were pleasant if slightly goofy people who had little inclination to assert themselves or to upset the order of power. Mike and Mark were similar in their function for better or worse. Both were helpful to the protagonist in fetch quests, expressed discontent with the leaders' rule, and became gratuitous casualties through the deception of moving the plots forward. Neither were necessary to the respective plots in my opinion.
Holy shit, I'm not sure if/how I should edit this into the table of contents--Thanks for contributing, though!
Reggie reminded me a little of Doug. Both were pleasant if slightly goofy people who had little inclination to assert themselves or to upset the order of power.
Eh...maybe? I never would've thought of that, though I was surprised how little screentime Doug had during my third playthrough oddly enough.
Mike and Mark were similar in their function for better or worse. Both were helpful to the protagonist in fetch quests, expressed discontent with the leaders' rule, and became gratuitous casualties through the deception of moving the plots forward. Neither were necessary to the respective plots in my opinion.
Yeah, except for maybe neither being necessary for the plot. While Mark was originally intended to potentially be replaced by Mr. Parker on the St. John's table and be killed/abandoned when the bandits overrun the motel, Mike at least was pretty prominent in No Going Back due to disagreeing with Kenny's plans for AJ and treatmen of Arvo, as the Player Punch is guaranteed to focus on him as being the one leaving the group and taking the booty because of that, with Bonnie and Arvo visibly deferring to him during that scene.
I can think of a few more similarities. Reggie reminded me a little of Doug. Both were pleasant if slightly goofy people who had little incl… moreination to assert themselves or to upset the order of power. Mike and Mark were similar in their function for better or worse. Both were helpful to the protagonist in fetch quests, expressed discontent with the leaders' rule, and became gratuitous casualties through the deception of moving the plots forward. Neither were necessary to the respective plots in my opinion.
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Are you like going to show ALL of the similarities between each character?
I believe that this is an interesting thread, albeit not a discussion itself.
It's easy to notice that a lot of effort has been put into it, and, from the perspective of somebody who hadn't encountered it until now, you are acting unnecessarily rude to @DabigRG.
Edited section
Apparently I had already commented here but it was a long while ago.
Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows?
It was meant to give everyone a place where we could compare, contrast, and debate how the characters are similar or different to each other. To be honest, I hate creating threads specifically appealing to what I wanna talk about so I try to make things as vague and open as possible. In fact, I changed the title when I realized how unnecessarily niche and complicated it was to not scare any new curious contributors away.
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but there's bound to be someone who would want to see, add, or discuss any two or more characters.
Um, I'm sorry if I was actually begin rude
Ah, I understand. Welp, you can continue..
Duck and Shawn
Both are sons whose fathers are looking out for them due to their belief that "family's all that matters," both have relatively similar appearences, both can be saved by Lee in the absence of their fathers, and both end up undead/deader due to their fathers not being there to protect them from being bitten by a walker. Shawn is the oldest of many siblings, is soft-spoken, kind, and resourceful, is allowed to take care of himself by his dad Hershel, and is concerned about the state of the world from first hand experience, while Duck is an only child, is loud, boisterous, and enthusiastic, is being protected by his dad Kenny, and is mostly indifferent towards the state of the world due to his childish naivety.
Pete and Carlos
Both are parental authority figures with ways of parenting that has mixed results in that while their intentions are unambiguous good, it also ignores certain aspects of the kids' behavior. Pete's tough love towards taking up the mantle of keeping Nick in line is making Nick resent him for it, but he's also since he's allowing Nick to be in a position where he will make mistakes so he can learn from them; Carlos's babying and sheltering of Sarah meant she couldn't reliably act under stress, however he is also protecting Sarah from any legitimate danger. Of course, Pete's treatment of Nick is objectively the better, since Nick was eventually able to mellow out after his death and takes on any responsibility he feels he has to take seriously even if it eventually led to his death due to trying to save Sarah and Luke, while Sarah has a difficult time coping with Carlos's and unfortunately never gets nearly as far due to being killed off hours later thanks in part to the actions of Clementine and/or Jane.
Sarah and Arvo
Both are meek and unimposing teenagers of who are tall yet extremely skinny, wear cracked glasses, tend to shy away from any violence, have an older family member that they put most of their faith in, and have a few subtle moments that show that they are far from harmless, namely exhibiting surprising speed and stealth for someone of their holistic disposition. But while Sarah is a Hispanic girl that has been constantly sheltered to the point that some believe she has a mental disorder and is conditioned to tolerate being patronized and stay out of group decisions by her overprotective but well meaning dad, Arvo is a Russian boy who acts as a liaison for his group despite his entire right leg being in a squeaky, heavy metal brace and is primarily concerned with looking after his sick older sister, who trusts him enough to handle himself in a tense situation. As a result of this, they have different when forced to face conflict: Sarah is prone to either freaking out or freezing up under stress due to being emotional to a fault, whereas Arvo is capable of keeping his cool under fire but can suddenly explode into hysterics if stressed out for too long.
Additionally, both initially attempt to befriend and/or cooperate with Clementine despite meeting under sketchy circumstances, are taken prisoner and excessively punished or/and abused by an angry mustachioed man, are subject to sudden depreciation by Jane, and fall into a depression when they lose their only family member. However, their reactions to all of these incidents are drastically different: Sarah cherishes her friendship with Clementine if it is accepted and is crushed when she realizes her behavior is endangering both of their lives, is guilty by association with the Cabin Group and has her dad be forced to slap her for talking out of turn during Carver's morning report, has her friend consider leaving her to die due to being pressured by Jane's paranoid prejudice, and spends a majority of her remaining time trying to cope with the loss of Carlos while appearing to lament being a burden to Clementine; Arvo briefly expresses his regrets that he couldn't have met Clementine under friendlier but soon becomes livid when she appears to kill his sister, is guilty by association with the Russian Group and gets repeatedly insulted and beaten by the slowly slipping Kenny for various minor infractions, is stuck up with his own gun and has his belongings taken by the coldly pragmatic Jane, and spends a day obliviously mourning the loss of his sister before ultimately shooting Clementine as retribution.
@DabigRG Could you please elaborate on the connection between Luke and Carley?
Oh, um, sure. I honestly forgot to make that point once I realized the similar roles. I might take a bit to get examples of their behavior, though.
Sorry I was just reading through the huge list and cannot think of one possible way Luke and Carley have the same/opposite personalities, other than being good hearted people lol.
Oh that's right, I forgot I included that list on the first page! Yeah, the similarities are really just that: similarities. The differences are so obvious that I'm going to downplay them to focus on their similarities.
EDIT: Your wish has been granted.
tv tropes brings up hows roman's settlement is basically a lighter crawford.
but as i look at all the settlements we have seen so far they are all simaler with wellinton and monroe seeming to be the only somewhat good ones from a certain perspective.
True. Actually, what would Roman's "settlement" qualify as?
Carley and Luke
Both are likable and attractive people in their late 20s whose friendly and understanding demeanors would make them very likable and appealing to the main character and who function as someone they can trust to be there for them when things get tough. Both help rescue the main character from walkers in their first appearance, both have a weapon of choice, both go out of their way to defend a younger friend from their allies, both have moments where their personal gripes causes them to act in an irritable manner, both suffer from survivor's guilt after losing someone they care about, and both begin to develop romantic interests that death does them part.
Carley saves Lee and Kenny's alliance when they get surrounded by walkers outside the Everett Pharmacy, keeps a Glock 17 in her purse, mutually defends Ben when the unhinged Lilly accuses them of stealing from the group, gets testy with Glenn for wasting time trying to save Irene, has recurring nightmares due to being saved over Doug, and has her respective interests in Doug and determinately Lee interrupted by walkers or Lily, while Luke saves Clementine in the woods when she gets pinned down by lurkers alongside Pete, keeps with a machete strapped to his back, vouches for her when the grievous Nick and Rebecca want to put her down, goes off at Kenny for calling him out on his recent irresponsibility, eventually feels like a failure for being the sole survivor of his group, and has is mutual fling with Jane interrupted when he falls into a icy lake.
Huh, cool! Thanks, pal!
No prob, bob! I didn't think it would get that long, but that's what happens when you make specific comparisons.
EDIT: Holy shit! That was a milestone contribution! Thanks!
Happy to help. :P
Okay, wanna encourage some actual discussion here while I consider my next subject: Who would you guys consider to be Season 2's version of each Season 1 Character?
Namely Kenny, Lilly, Carley, Doug, Ben, Stranger, St. John, Jolene, etc.
I don't think there are many comparisons that can be made enough that would justify saying one is LIKE another. I do think Sarah was more like Clementine in season 1 than Ben, which I've seen players suggest. Sarah had a young child-like innocent's mentality. Ben had a grip on reality and a willingness to try even through his fear and inexperience. I think Nick is how Ben might have turned out or was had he been older. Jane has some of the same qualities as Lilly: hard-line pragmatism, distrust of outsiders, placing survival above all else. I think an additional parallel can be drawn between the way both characters go out, albeit Jane's decision is more calculative while Lilly's is purely from emotion (Carley). Two cold, self-reliant, pragmatic characters who experienced a break in their psyches. The question posed with Jane could be: But was it a natural progression? I believe her obvious distress if Clementine chooses to leave her says otherwise. It is almost akin to saying "but I killed him for YOU"
Yeah, that seems to be pretty much the idea, since she is essentially the Kenny to Clementine's Lee. She even has the same basic facial structure if you look closely.
I think the Ben parallels were mainly generated by people who didn't like her, which included people within the Telltale staff unfortunately: this character didn't do something right, something bad happens not long afterward, maybe someone dies around the same timeframe. Just an excuse for the opinionated and judgmental to persecute, really. Even Clementine gets that treatment everyone once in a while.
Yep. Two logical women who happen to clash with the emotional Kenny over what's for the best.
Ben with family issues and a temper.
In my opinion, yes. Much of my [disapproving] viewpoints on Jane are propped up by the fact that what she says/does at the end isn't that out of nowhere: paying attention to the things she does/says and how she says it from day one shows that she was cracked a good while ago; dealing with the likes of Kenny and Clementine just happened to bring it out for extended periods of time.
Yeeeah...Jane has a number of unfortunate implications and weird connotations about her.
I can think of a few more similarities. Reggie reminded me a little of Doug. Both were pleasant if slightly goofy people who had little inclination to assert themselves or to upset the order of power. Mike and Mark were similar in their function for better or worse. Both were helpful to the protagonist in fetch quests, expressed discontent with the leaders' rule, and became gratuitous casualties through the deception of moving the plots forward. Neither were necessary to the respective plots in my opinion.
Holy shit, I'm not sure if/how I should edit this into the table of contents--Thanks for contributing, though!
Eh...maybe? I never would've thought of that, though I was surprised how little screentime Doug had during my third playthrough oddly enough.
Yeah, except for maybe neither being necessary for the plot. While Mark was originally intended to potentially be replaced by Mr. Parker on the St. John's table and be killed/abandoned when the bandits overrun the motel, Mike at least was pretty prominent in No Going Back due to disagreeing with Kenny's plans for AJ and treatmen of Arvo, as the Player Punch is guaranteed to focus on him as being the one leaving the group and taking the booty because of that, with Bonnie and Arvo visibly deferring to him during that scene.