Bioware does have a litterature canon in Dragon Age, that they use in reference with their books and comics at the very least, that default games in Inquisition is also based on, as far as I know.
Btw, people, just for clarity... Default world state is not the same thing as an official "canon" state. Default doesn't imply that that's w… morehat TT considers to have "really happened." It's just the one that makes the fewest inferences and relies on the fewest connections to previous characters/plot points. In other words, the simplest world state for new people. (This is also the why and how for Bioware's default states.)
i love how people just assume that our choices are gonna matter now. those 42 starting point might just affect clems personality. example: if you sided with shit characters (like kenny, etc) she might act like a mean bitch to javier and other characters, but if you sided with good ones (jane) she might be nicer.
i am actually tempted to start a new story. maybe its best if we ignored that season 2 ever happened. although after seeing that action packed (not a good thing) new trailer i am not optimistic about this one either.
Things like the King Alistair comic are not canon, just a what-if based on making the King Alistair choice. Other things that have nothing to do with determinant characters or plot points are indeed part of the official lore.
Sometimes the writers have overridden player choices in succeeding games, such as Leliana possibly being killed by the Warden but being alive in DA 2 and DAI (though if that's the case, her resurrection is somewhat explained in the Trespasser DLC's end slides), but that's a different thing from a default world state for new players.
I'm not saying writer-preferred canon doesn't exist (at least with BW), just that default world states are a separate thing. Default world states exist simply to weed out introducing past characters and events that new players would not care about.
Bioware does have a litterature canon in Dragon Age, that they use in reference with their books and comics at the very least, that default games in Inquisition is also based on, as far as I know.
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but with the whole '42 starting points' thing, a lot of them are probably going to be small differences. IE, two of those 42 will be the same, except one guy was friendly to this character while the other wasn't, and stuff like that.
It's less "there's 42 different ways to start" and more "there's 42 permutations for how you can start"
As a small example, one permutation could be "sided with Kenny, shot Lee, didn't shoot Kenny, stayed with Kenny". Another could be "didn't side with Kenny, shot Lee, didn't shoot Kenny, stayed with Kenny". Basically the same, except one part is different.
With that being said though, they still deserve props for actually making a system like this in the first place. For all the crap they get about choices not mattering, they cared enough to go through the trouble of setting all this up.
So I assume the story questionnaire will be just as detailed as if you were to import your save? I have a season 2 save but I feel like I'd rather just do the questions since importing has been notoriously buggy.
Also this doesn't mean the alone ending is canon, it's just the default state for new coming players. So if anything, alone enders will probably have the least amount of determinant content.
I don't have to go anyway, just because season 2 was bad does not mean season 3 will be bad two. Lee will forever be better then everyone in the next seasons.
The story generator sounds cool. I think I'd be tempted just to try it out to see the questions they'd ask and how they'd shape Clementine for that particular playthrough. But probably handy too if you don't want replay the entirety of the previous seasons, or the endings with Jane and Kenny, just to get a particular different outcome.
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but with the whole '42 starting points' thing, a lot of them are probably going to be small differences. IE, t… morewo of those 42 will be the same, except one guy was friendly to this character while the other wasn't, and stuff like that.
It's less "there's 42 different ways to start" and more "there's 42 permutations for how you can start"
As a small example, one permutation could be "sided with Kenny, shot Lee, didn't shoot Kenny, stayed with Kenny". Another could be "didn't side with Kenny, shot Lee, didn't shoot Kenny, stayed with Kenny". Basically the same, except one part is different.
With that being said though, they still deserve props for actually making a system like this in the first place. For all the crap they get about choices not mattering, they cared enough to go through the trouble of setting all this up.
So I assume the story questionnaire will be just as detailed as if you were to import your save? I have a season 2 save but I feel like I'd … morerather just do the questions since importing has been notoriously buggy.
Also this doesn't mean the alone ending is canon, it's just the default state for new coming players. So if anything, alone enders will probably have the least amount of determinant content.
A lot of people had their choices screwed up when they imported their decisions into season 2. I have a bug on my brand new S1 PS4 version where the save file completely deletes itself if I die, go to the main menu, or complete an episode. So basically the game is completely unplayable.
i love how people just assume that our choices are gonna matter now.
Agreed. We don't know too much of whats going on so while the announcement is sweet, we just have to wait and see.
example: if you sided with shit characters (like kenny, etc) she might act like a mean bitch to javier and other characters, but if you sided with good ones (jane) she might be nicer.
That's debatable. Like, HIGHLY debatable. But Kenny vs. Jane has been worn to death here so once more, I'll just say we'll wait and see. (This is coming from someone that's okay with 4 of the 5 endings.) I'm just saying, prepare for backlash from others there.
i am actually tempted to start a new story. maybe its best if we ignored that season 2 ever happened. although after seeing that action packed (not a good thing) new trailer i am not optimistic about this one either.
I...wow, alright. I'm stumped. If you aren't feeling too good about A New Frontier then I'm out of shit to say anyway.
i love how people just assume that our choices are gonna matter now. those 42 starting point might just affect clems personality. example: i… moref you sided with shit characters (like kenny, etc) she might act like a mean bitch to javier and other characters, but if you sided with good ones (jane) she might be nicer.
i am actually tempted to start a new story. maybe its best if we ignored that season 2 ever happened. although after seeing that action packed (not a good thing) new trailer i am not optimistic about this one either.
Rebecca and Alvins perhaps, and Carver. Given that it's their kid she's carrying around.
Sarah perhaps, given that she's likely to encounter kids her age, or her age if she had survived.
I'd be surprised if her relationship with Luke and Nick didn't play some role in her character, the whole point of their arc was "family" and you could agree or reject that concept.
Perhaps Bonnie, given that she has a determinant fate and her character arc is about forgiveness and betrayal.
You actions around Arvo too, you can steal from him and you can agree that he's a liability or not several times as well, so perhaps that will impact some sort of "survival of the fittest" concept where Clementine might not flinch away from robbing people.
Just like when S2EP3 was hyped on twitter because of S1 DLC. Or like Tales FB when they showed us a chart of how our choices mattered in the last few episodes...
... but all of this will be swept under the rug because Telltale's releasing two episodes whoopie...
Just like when S2EP3 was hyped on twitter because of S1 DLC. Or like Tales FB how they showed us a chart of how our choices mattered in the last few episodes...
I'm inclined to agree with Deltino's comment above. It's not going to be 42 different starting points to a notable degree, but rather, it's going to be different permutations that tailor character interactions on a smaller degree. In terms of larger starting points like what you guys are thinking, I think that is going to be limited to the Season 2 endings.
42 different starting points
Yeah... I ain't buying this...
Just like when S2EP3 was hyped on twitter because of S1 DLC. Or like … moreTales FB when they showed us a chart of how our choices mattered in the last few episodes...
... but all of this will be swept under the rug because Telltale's releasing two episodes whoopie...
Damn, I wasn't aware. Has there been a bug like that on PC? I remember there was a problem for all platforms that it would scew your choices if you rewound back in a chapter once.
A lot of people had their choices screwed up when they imported their decisions into season 2. I have a bug on my brand new S1 PS4 version … morewhere the save file completely deletes itself if I die, go to the main menu, or complete an episode. So basically the game is completely unplayable.
Probably, I know that it has been a common problem for console users whether on 360 or PS4. I've also run into the same unfixable bug where I can't get through Crawford.... I follow Molly outside and get the gas but when I return it plays the scene where the group first enters the classroom and it gets stuck.
Damn, I wasn't aware. Has there been a bug like that on PC? I remember there was a problem for all platforms that it would scew your choices if you rewound back in a chapter once.
if you sided with shit characters (like kenny, etc) she might act like a mean bitch to javier and other characters, but if you sided with good ones (jane) she might be nicer.
i love how people just assume that our choices are gonna matter now. those 42 starting point might just affect clems personality. example: i… moref you sided with shit characters (like kenny, etc) she might act like a mean bitch to javier and other characters, but if you sided with good ones (jane) she might be nicer.
i am actually tempted to start a new story. maybe its best if we ignored that season 2 ever happened. although after seeing that action packed (not a good thing) new trailer i am not optimistic about this one either.
Even so... those small, hardly noticeable differences between character interactions are going to be a ignored or unnoticed by the player...(example from s2) like how a zombie has extra blood on his jaw or something...
I just want 'em to focus on the 50-50 choices ,but seeing from the trailer it looks like we will get an action-pack with a non-emotional story...
Just like when S2EP3 was hyped on twitter because of S1 DLC. Or like Tales FB how they showed us a chart of how our choices mattered in the … morelast few episodes...
I'm inclined to agree with Deltino's comment above. It's not going to be 42 different starting points to a notable degree, but rather, it's going to be different permutations that tailor character interactions on a smaller degree. In terms of larger starting points like what you guys are thinking, I think that is going to be limited to the Season 2 endings.
I have a strong feeling deciding whether to stay around for Carver's death will have some sort of impact. Robbing Arvo might be a factor as well.
These two are probably the darkest choices you can make in Season 2, since you can morally justify any of the endings (other than maybe shooting Kenny after you let him kill Jane). Maybe this will change certain dialogue from her or maybe effect how everyone else reacts to Clementine? That could be pretty cool.
Even so... those small, hardly noticeable differences between character interactions are going to be a ignored or unnoticed by the player...… more(example from s2) like how a zombie has extra blood on his jaw or something...
I just want 'em to focus on the 50-50 choices ,but seeing from the trailer it looks like we will get an action-pack with a non-emotional story...
i love how people just assume that our choices are gonna matter now. those 42 starting point might just affect clems personality. example: i… moref you sided with shit characters (like kenny, etc) she might act like a mean bitch to javier and other characters, but if you sided with good ones (jane) she might be nicer.
i am actually tempted to start a new story. maybe its best if we ignored that season 2 ever happened. although after seeing that action packed (not a good thing) new trailer i am not optimistic about this one either.
What!? I just recently commented on the characters and hoping that the story will be worthwhile... and the glossy eyes... What the hell, you can't comment on anything without being bombarded without a full punch to the gut... No wonder there are only positive comments and memes...
Would it kill you to just make like, one positive comment on something
even if it's the most minor thing
the music
the particle eff… moreects
the resolution and color composition of the game's logo
how good a tree in the distance looks
the polycount of a rock on the ground
the quality of the AO mapping on a wall or some shit
a blade of grass twirling in the fucking wind
anything
give us something to work with here
there is no possible way you dislike literally everything you've seen so far
there has to be one single solitary molecule of something you like
Weird, I can't seem to add comments on the 'New Frontier Trailer Spoiler Discussion Thread' - but nevermind.
So I just saw the trailer, I've been super busy with university (yeah unfortunately I'm not in 2012 or 2014 when I was younger and could play TWD all the time), so I haven't been able to catch up with everything. But Telltale has at least been generous in waiting until it's Christmas break to release this so I don't have to hide from spoilers. I just can't wait for Season 3 and for what this whole story is gonna be about. I am extremely worried about save files because my original S1 save file and S2 save file (yeah from 2012 all the way to 2014) with 400 Days was on my Xbox 360 which is gone now. So I am gonna have to just get TWD S1 and S2 and 400 Days all on my PC and hope my PC can also run Season 3 :P
Yo guys
http://twitter.com/jobjstauffer/status/808380112777318400
New tweet from Job. Nothing special, until you zoom in on the pict… moreure
Choose how to begin your story:
The Walking Dead: A New Frontier can be started as a brand new story or as a continuation of the season 1 & 2 choices you made.
Then you have a button for starting a new story, or continuing your old one. Gives us a little bit more insight into how the save file stuff will work.
I love how people ever assumed that our choices won't matter without proof and keep doing so despite all evidence pointing towards the opposite. Besides, your ideas of choices mattering seem completely unrealistic tbh. Not even AAA titles like Mass Effect change that much with your choices, so people seemingly expecting 3+ different plotlines is just ludicrous. Clementine's personality changing depending on your choices is exactly what should happen, I really hope no one is actually expecting a different plot for every ending. Also, don't start shit over Kenny and Jane, please.
i love how people just assume that our choices are gonna matter now. those 42 starting point might just affect clems personality. example: i… moref you sided with shit characters (like kenny, etc) she might act like a mean bitch to javier and other characters, but if you sided with good ones (jane) she might be nicer.
i am actually tempted to start a new story. maybe its best if we ignored that season 2 ever happened. although after seeing that action packed (not a good thing) new trailer i am not optimistic about this one either.
Wua?!
What!? I just recently commented on the characters and hoping that the story will be worthwhile... and the glossy eyes... What the … morehell, you can't comment on anything without being bombarded without a full punch to the gut... No wonder there are only positive comments and memes...
I'm so glad they have a story generator, I lost season one and two and couldn't get them back on my device, i was thinking i wouldn't play this season before i heard this since i would have to either waste $50 or randomly generate my story.
Since God hates me and ANF won't be available for XBox 360 I will have to play the Game is PC (pc sucks). Could anybody please explain me how do I buy and dowlan the game for this plataform?
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Bioware does have a litterature canon in Dragon Age, that they use in reference with their books and comics at the very least, that default games in Inquisition is also based on, as far as I know.
i love how people just assume that our choices are gonna matter now. those 42 starting point might just affect clems personality. example: if you sided with shit characters (like kenny, etc) she might act like a mean bitch to javier and other characters, but if you sided with good ones (jane) she might be nicer.
i am actually tempted to start a new story. maybe its best if we ignored that season 2 ever happened. although after seeing that action packed (not a good thing) new trailer i am not optimistic about this one either.
This is pretty awesome if its actually pulled off well.
As far as gaming on previous platforms go, I do believe that this was the best case scenario and its great how they're handling it IF this works out.
Also, if you got to go to an early screening in London, fuck you for being better than me.
Things like the King Alistair comic are not canon, just a what-if based on making the King Alistair choice. Other things that have nothing to do with determinant characters or plot points are indeed part of the official lore.
Sometimes the writers have overridden player choices in succeeding games, such as Leliana possibly being killed by the Warden but being alive in DA 2 and DAI (though if that's the case, her resurrection is somewhat explained in the Trespasser DLC's end slides), but that's a different thing from a default world state for new players.
I'm not saying writer-preferred canon doesn't exist (at least with BW), just that default world states are a separate thing. Default world states exist simply to weed out introducing past characters and events that new players would not care about.
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but with the whole '42 starting points' thing, a lot of them are probably going to be small differences. IE, two of those 42 will be the same, except one guy was friendly to this character while the other wasn't, and stuff like that.
It's less "there's 42 different ways to start" and more "there's 42 permutations for how you can start"
As a small example, one permutation could be "sided with Kenny, shot Lee, didn't shoot Kenny, stayed with Kenny". Another could be "didn't side with Kenny, shot Lee, didn't shoot Kenny, stayed with Kenny". Basically the same, except one part is different.
With that being said though, they still deserve props for actually making a system like this in the first place. For all the crap they get about choices not mattering, they cared enough to go through the trouble of setting all this up.
So I assume the story questionnaire will be just as detailed as if you were to import your save? I have a season 2 save but I feel like I'd rather just do the questions since importing has been notoriously buggy.
Also this doesn't mean the alone ending is canon, it's just the default state for new coming players. So if anything, alone enders will probably have the least amount of determinant content.
I don't have to go anyway, just because season 2 was bad does not mean season 3 will be bad two. Lee will forever be better then everyone in the next seasons.
The story generator sounds cool. I think I'd be tempted just to try it out to see the questions they'd ask and how they'd shape Clementine for that particular playthrough. But probably handy too if you don't want replay the entirety of the previous seasons, or the endings with Jane and Kenny, just to get a particular different outcome.
I don't see the issue. Its not like someone here is expecting every starting point to 100% different. No one is that stupid...Heh
What are the bugs? I have never noticed any in the Walking Dead game myself.
I don't know. Looks more like A.J's between the backpack and Clementine, not in the backpack >.>
A lot of people had their choices screwed up when they imported their decisions into season 2. I have a bug on my brand new S1 PS4 version where the save file completely deletes itself if I die, go to the main menu, or complete an episode. So basically the game is completely unplayable.
Agreed. We don't know too much of whats going on so while the announcement is sweet, we just have to wait and see.
That's debatable. Like, HIGHLY debatable. But Kenny vs. Jane has been worn to death here so once more, I'll just say we'll wait and see. (This is coming from someone that's okay with 4 of the 5 endings.) I'm just saying, prepare for backlash from others there.
I...wow, alright. I'm stumped. If you aren't feeling too good about A New Frontier then I'm out of shit to say anyway.
Wait a mo, which character interactions are expected to affect Frontier's Clem? Besides Lee, Jane, and Kenny.
Rebecca and Alvins perhaps, and Carver. Given that it's their kid she's carrying around.
Sarah perhaps, given that she's likely to encounter kids her age, or her age if she had survived.
I'd be surprised if her relationship with Luke and Nick didn't play some role in her character, the whole point of their arc was "family" and you could agree or reject that concept.
Perhaps Bonnie, given that she has a determinant fate and her character arc is about forgiveness and betrayal.
You actions around Arvo too, you can steal from him and you can agree that he's a liability or not several times as well, so perhaps that will impact some sort of "survival of the fittest" concept where Clementine might not flinch away from robbing people.
Yeah... I ain't buying this...
Just like when S2EP3 was hyped on twitter because of S1 DLC. Or like Tales FB when they showed us a chart of how our choices mattered in the last few episodes...
... but all of this will be swept under the rug because Telltale's releasing two episodes whoopie...
I'm inclined to agree with Deltino's comment above. It's not going to be 42 different starting points to a notable degree, but rather, it's going to be different permutations that tailor character interactions on a smaller degree. In terms of larger starting points like what you guys are thinking, I think that is going to be limited to the Season 2 endings.
Damn, I wasn't aware. Has there been a bug like that on PC? I remember there was a problem for all platforms that it would scew your choices if you rewound back in a chapter once.
Probably, I know that it has been a common problem for console users whether on 360 or PS4. I've also run into the same unfixable bug where I can't get through Crawford.... I follow Molly outside and get the gas but when I return it plays the scene where the group first enters the classroom and it gets stuck.
I LOVE YOU TELLTALE!
Even so... those small, hardly noticeable differences between character interactions are going to be a ignored or unnoticed by the player...(example from s2) like how a zombie has extra blood on his jaw or something...
I just want 'em to focus on the 50-50 choices ,but seeing from the trailer it looks like we will get an action-pack with a non-emotional story...
I have a strong feeling deciding whether to stay around for Carver's death will have some sort of impact. Robbing Arvo might be a factor as well.
These two are probably the darkest choices you can make in Season 2, since you can morally justify any of the endings (other than maybe shooting Kenny after you let him kill Jane). Maybe this will change certain dialogue from her or maybe effect how everyone else reacts to Clementine? That could be pretty cool.
Cool beans Telltale. I'm just kind of sad that I'm going to get the "default" opening now because I ended alone in season 2.
https://telltale.com/community/discussion/comment/2648598/#Comment_2648598
@mostlypoptarts:
Would it kill you to just make like, one positive comment on something
even if it's the most minor thing
the music
the particle effects
the resolution and color composition of the game's logo
how good a tree in the distance looks
the polycount of a rock on the ground
the quality of the AO mapping on a wall or some shit
a blade of grass twirling in the fucking wind
anything
give us something to work with here
there is no possible way you dislike literally everything you've seen so far
there has to be one single solitary molecule of something you like
You'll get the alone ending, plus all the other variables that affected your clementine past the two seasons.
Then don't get S3. Problem solved.
Rather brutal of Telltale to make Alone ending the default option
Right. True. At least it'll be cool to see all the other openings people get online when it's out..
Yey, my playthrough is special.
Wua?!
What!? I just recently commented on the characters and hoping that the story will be worthwhile... and the glossy eyes... What the hell, you can't comment on anything without being bombarded without a full punch to the gut... No wonder there are only positive comments and memes...
Weird, I can't seem to add comments on the 'New Frontier Trailer Spoiler Discussion Thread' - but nevermind.
So I just saw the trailer, I've been super busy with university (yeah unfortunately I'm not in 2012 or 2014 when I was younger and could play TWD all the time), so I haven't been able to catch up with everything. But Telltale has at least been generous in waiting until it's Christmas break to release this so I don't have to hide from spoilers. I just can't wait for Season 3 and for what this whole story is gonna be about. I am extremely worried about save files because my original S1 save file and S2 save file (yeah from 2012 all the way to 2014) with 400 Days was on my Xbox 360 which is gone now. So I am gonna have to just get TWD S1 and S2 and 400 Days all on my PC and hope my PC can also run Season 3 :P
Probably the safest bet, though. If they made a Kenny or Jane ending default, no doubt the opposing fanbase would be understandably mad.
Hopefully this means what I think it does and it's just a way for people who have started playing to randomly generate choices.
I love how people ever assumed that our choices won't matter without proof and keep doing so despite all evidence pointing towards the opposite. Besides, your ideas of choices mattering seem completely unrealistic tbh. Not even AAA titles like Mass Effect change that much with your choices, so people seemingly expecting 3+ different plotlines is just ludicrous. Clementine's personality changing depending on your choices is exactly what should happen, I really hope no one is actually expecting a different plot for every ending. Also, don't start shit over Kenny and Jane, please.
it was a joke, buddy
really
it was a drawn out joke that went to comically unnecessary lengths to get the point across, because i thought it would be amusing
from the looks of it, it may not have worked on you
which is unfortunate
I'm so glad they have a story generator, I lost season one and two and couldn't get them back on my device, i was thinking i wouldn't play this season before i heard this since i would have to either waste $50 or randomly generate my story.
Since God hates me and ANF won't be available for XBox 360 I will have to play the Game is PC (pc sucks). Could anybody please explain me how do I buy and dowlan the game for this plataform?
Edit: Thanks, guys