Did you steal from the Station Wagon in Season 1?
In my first playthrough, I didn't. And the reason for that was because after having Lee put Larry down to prevent reanimation, kill Danny St.John, and leaving Andy bloodied and beaten for the walkers, I felt that there had to be a moral guideline not to cross.
And I chose stealing as that line.
As well as leaving that girl to be killed by walkers so Kenny and Lee could have ample time to collect the remaining supplies from the drug store.
In my 2nd playthrough, and mind you this was all long before S2 ever came out, I took on more of a survivalist mentality, and had Lee kill both St.John's brothers, loot the station wagon, and leave the girl as bait, though the latter two actions didn't set well with me.
In my later playthroughs, I had Lee deal with both St.John brothers, not loot the station wagon, and leave the girl for the walkers - especially since there was no way to save her, and the group needed the supplies.
How about you?
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I did. I felt quite bad about it during the confrontation with the stranger but at the time I really felt that taking the supplies when things were so dire (lack of food, bandits, no sign of the apocalypse stopping, children being present in the group that were suffering) could have been the difference between life and death.
Similarly, I stole the medicine in S2. I kept telling myself in S1 that I did it for Clem, and that in S2 I did it for Rebecca and Kenny (in labour and severely injured which I felt justified it)... I really do wonder if I would have done it if I was by myself and didn't have someone to protect / in need of it.
You'll murder people but draw the line on taking from an abandoned station wagon?
Anyway in my canon playthrough I tried to save Larry, (however I understand the reasoning behind killing him and personally think he was gonna turn) spared both brothers and refused to take from the station wagon. Then I shot the girl as an act of mercy. Though that last choice has me torn as killing the girl makes me uneasy.
Nah, but not for any moral specific reasons. I had the sense that the games would be about Clementine back then already and teaching her to at least be critical towards unrestrained theft seemed prudent.
The car was standing open with the lights on, there was no telling who owned it, how far away they were and if they had a large group or at the very least were armed. If anything stealing that stuff was a action that required some consideration at the very least.
Of course not.
I "killed" larry and both st. john's.
I was teaching clem that you don't hope beyond reason or let the worst live(they'll only hurt others), but you don't hurt people who don't deserve it, and we don't know shit about the people in the car.
Of course.
In real life, I would not only stole the supplies, but also the car itself. At least I have the battery removed and leaked gasoline.
In my first playthrough, I did. But in my canon playthrough, I didn't. But I would realisticly steal the food, it wasn't anyone's fault that the car was left out in the open, with the headlights on and with the KEY in the ignition. Stranger was such a idiot.
Nah, I didn't partake in stealing from the station wagon. I just didn't want to disappoint Clemmy-Clu any further. ;/
I took the stuff. My group was starving and didn't know where my next meal was coming from. The food was abandoned and who knew if the owner was dead or not. At that point, the food belonged to no one so I took it. Had the owner been there I wouldn't have taken it, like Arvo in s2. The owner was there and it still belonged to someone so I didn't take it.
Yes I stole the food, and have on every play through except one. I knew as soon as I saw it that stealing it would help us and doom someone else. But after the Dairy the group was on the ragged edge. We had to take that stuff, it was never even a choice in my mind.
I stole the food on every subsequent play through because nobody bothers to find Clem a jacket if you don't. Which is just stupid.
I'm the complete opposite - I tried to save Larry as he was a member of the group and didn't want to kill him if there was a chance to save him, even just to say his goodbyes for Lilly's sake and didn't want Clementine to watch Larry get killed, but it happened anyway :c and I let the brothers live, no point in getting Lee's hands dirty, I believe killing is the last resort and I didn't want Lee to kill unnecessarily in front of his entire group. In the end, however, I voted to steal from the station wagon for the group's own good and convinced Clementine to wear the jersey, thing is that the group needed supplies and although I'm all for helping everyone I can, protecting the closest people to you is a priority, call it selfish but moral or not I wanted Lee to show Clementine that morality isn't everything - you don't have to kill everyone but that doesn't mean you won't resort to theft if you need to.
Well crap, prink pretty much just covered every reason for the choices I made lol. Car was abandoned, no sign of the owner, maybe he was coming back, maybe he turned and stumbled off. I didn't know what happened to him, but I knew we needed the stuff. Had to look after my own there.
If I remember correctly I didn't steal, it sets a bad example for Clementine
If I remember correctly I didn't steal, it sets a bad example for Clementine
I stole the supplies but tried to save Larry and left both brothers alive. In my story there's a big difference between Clementine seeing Lee kill people and seeing him steal to survive.
You mean when he and his wife were looking for their lost son? Monster!!
No because I didn't want to get blamed for it
Well I admit I was against taking the food...until I saw that sweet hoodie for Clem....plus honestly...theft is a victimless crime.
i've played S1 more than 15 times, i've done both at this point lmao.
Yeah. I took the supplies from the station wagon. Car was left running unattended and my group needed the food. Even if the Stranger was present and the options were there, I'd still take his supplies. Whatever it takes to survive.
If you don't take it, Kenny takes it for you and the group
Yeah because it was a random car in the middle of the woods, the owners were either dead or on the off chance so stupid that they left an open car with no guards. Guess the strangers group were just that stupid, oh well.
My first playthrough I didn't. My second playthrough and after that, I did to make the story connect. I reasoned that I thought that the car was abandoned and all of the lights had been on for a few hours, so whoever had been using the car is probably dead. I honestly had to take the supplies as we had kids with us and we were all hungry.
I always thought the implication was that they were either attacked by walkers and had double around or Tess got worked up in an argument or something and the Stranger had to go after her when she stormed off, leaving the doors ajar as they did.
No, at least as far as I remember. Might have to check to be honest.
After learning why the Stranger was after the group, I always thought the implication was that they were either attacked by walkers and had double around or Tess got worked up in an argument or something and the Stranger had to go after her when she stormed off, leaving the doors ajar as they did.
I think that the daughter got scared, ran out of the car, her parents chased after her, leaving the doors open. Lee didn't know this of course and that's why I reasoned why the car was like that. When they get back to the car they see that it was ransacked. The wife takes daughter and runs off in the heat of the moment. They get killed, Stranger goes crazy and takes their heads so that they can be a family still. I chose to take from the car as it makes sense to the story as Stranger blames you if you take from the car and it's another reason that he thinks that Lee is a bad parent. If you don't take from the car Stranger basically says "Well you were with the group so you are still guilty for it."
Your mercy probably led to the death of innocents, you're aware? You literally left two cannibals who showed no regret whatsoever for what they had done, free to do whatever they wanted.
I understand your choice (although I find it to be the wrong one), but I hope you can understand why one would find killing both brothers morally acceptable and stealing from the station wagon, which was NOT abandoned, not.
...What?
To be fair, Danny(easily the worst of the two) was left in his own modified beartrap, no doubt trying to comprehend why Lee spared him and refused to eat him, while Andy was apparently too busy showing the early symptoms of Mad Cow Disease to do much of anything at the moment. I think it's safe to assume they didn't get far.
That's another good theory! Also, I thought he only took Tess's?
Actually, he acknowledges that you didn't take anything from the car and specifies that his reason for coming after Lee specifically is because of all of the danger Clementine's been through, likely because it reminds him of his own mistakes except worse. He is Lee's Evil Counterpart after all.
...So, you were considering taking their son?
Also, the Stranger wasn't always sick to be completely fair; in fact, he's pretty much an early indication of what would eventually happen to Kenny.
I didn't steal it on my first playthrough, because I was convinced someone'd be back for those supplies. The dome light being left on was a telltale - heh - sign, for me. If I came back to all my things gone, I don't know what I'd do. Probably end it all, as without supplies I doubt I'd make it very far.
Also, I felt it was a pretty horrible lesson to teach an eight-year-old "Stealing is okay, if you need it." Stealing, in my mind, is never right. Nor is murder. But hey, that's just my opinion!
No I didn't. I cannot righty be blamed for anything the St Johns do. I didn't want to be a murderer so I didn't murder them, it's as simple as that.
I found an abandoned station wagon.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke. I understand your perspective, however there's another point of view that if you have the chance to stop something and you don't take it, you're partially responsible for any harm that results from that choice. In this case we're talking about the St. John's, and obviously we now know there's no backlash from sparing them both but that might not always be the case.
We don't know that he wasn't always sick in some form. Kenny lost his wife and child but he didn't exactly stuff Katjaa's head in a bowling bag and hunt down the bandits that attacked the motel.
For real.
Like The Stranger can get salty all he wants that his supplies are gone, but I'm not the dumbass that left it out in the open, with the key in the ignition, and the lights on. Apocalypse or not, your shit can get stolen for doing that.
This is coming from someone that hasn't taken from the car in a single playthrough.
He was an amazing antagonist for the series. He basically says that he was going after the group for ruining his life. He sees Clementine and reasons that she would be his second chance at life and by raising her, he would avenge the deaths of his family. If you take from the car, he blames Lee for causing his suffering and names other reasons as to why Lee isn't fit to raise a child. If Lee doesn't take from the van, he basically tells Lee that he still isn't a good man. That's why I take from the car as it makes the story personal.
Uh, yes we do: in case you missed it(which is, considering TV Tropes had to point some of it out to me), a recurring theme in Season 1 was having to take responsibility for one's actions in the name of those you care about. In the Stranger's case, he was a successful family man who coached little league(what is that, baseball?) before the apocalypse kicked off. Either before or right at the cusp of the virus got out, he thought it be a good bonding experience for Adam and himself to go hunting together one day, despite his wife's disagreement with the idea. Apparently, he and Adam go separate at some point and, after hour's of searching, he had to go home alone to face the fact that he made a bad choice as a father. His wife was understandably estranged because of this and, after an incident where they had to let their station wagon full of supplies behind(presumably due to an argument or something) for a bit and when they came back to find it all gone, Tess took Lizzie and stormed off on their own. A couple of days later, he found them dead in the road and, after harvesting Tess's head(which seemingly symbolizes his desire to make it all up to her), somehow gets into contact with Clementine and begins his plan to get back at Kenny's family and all other guilty persons for what they did.
In summary, the implication I always got was that he was normal guy with a family who made one bad call and a series of unfortunate events tore his family apart(literally...I'm sorry, that was tasteless) and he went on a quest of vengeance(something he admits to not believing in) for their deaths that had him lose his mind in the process. By comparison, this makes his personal anger towards Lee very personal indeed: Lee's made similar, if not worse mistakes with Clementine determinately on purpose.
Though, now I'm imagining Katjaa's head in a bait box or something, with Duck strapped to the mast/front of his boat as one of those mermaid statue things. I'ts actually kinda morbid.
Yeah, he was. One of the many letdowns of Season 2 was the lack of a similar adversary for Clementine, though Becca, Michelle, Sarah, Jane, and Arvo all showed promise. Instead, we got Carver and we all know how thought-provoking, wellwritten, and complex he was, amiright?
Ironically enough, this is actually one of the main reasons I originally wanted Arvo(and/or Becca) to return in Season 3.
Now what does that remind me of...
True. Though I think the whole "the more she told me, the angrier got" thing is a much more powerful punch, since Lee tried his best to do what right and still ended up making mistakes. But alas, to be human is to be flawed!
I stole the supplies, the group wasn't in great shape after the St. Johns and needed that stuff. And the car seemed abandoned, who in their right mind would leave the lights on with keys still in it?