We have to hold their feet to the fire, or they will bully all the small companies around. The market has to demand quality for their money or nothing will change.
Jane looked terrible, but I thought Kenny looked pretty good. But yeah, the way they went out was really lazy. They easily could have found a way to either keep them alive, but not involved with the current events of the game, or kill them off much, much later.
And done! I don't know why it won't the image alone here in the comment...
Edit: Apparently it doesn't like imgur links
I want this … moreas a thread banner now... Javi's face is pissin' me off, could've done better but had a lot of fun with brushes
I'm just laughing at everyone overreacting. How did nobody so this coming? When you prevent a character from dying in a Walking Dead game they are just going to die later on.
Yes I know Kenny was a favorite for many but his and Jane's deaths were not terribly done. They were still emotional (while short).
We known they were gonna die. But it was essentially an even lazier determinant character death then Zachary from michonne.
It was like this:
Jane/Kenny pop up.
Say 10 Lines.
Telltale : "ok good enough now kill em"
I'm just laughing at everyone overreacting. How did nobody so this coming? When you prevent a character from dying in a Walking Dead game th… moreey are just going to die later on.
Yes I know Kenny was a favorite for many but his and Jane's deaths were not terribly done. They were still emotional (while short).
Fear not, child. Kenny will rise again in three days!
Hail Kenny, full of boats, the 'stache is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst u… morerbans and blessed is the fruit of thy loins, Duck. Holy Kenny, Father of Duck, pray for us shitbirds now and in the hour of our bite, amen.
Does anyone else miss those good indie folk songs in the credits (I fell in love with the song in the water by anadel from s2 ep1) and also the 'next time on/previously on'... the things we take for granted lol
Kenny died too fast? Didn't like the way it happened?
You're not satisfied with the look of his beard?
Not enough emotions?
OMID'S CAT WILL HELP YOU.
(Remember, Clem must be alone to meet Javi in s3.)
Ok. Go back to the end of s2 episode 5. To the scene when your hero's trying to stab Jane. Shoot Kenny. He'll die.
That scene is long enough, emotional and Ken's beard is an art. See, you're getting what you want!
What? You don't like Jane? Then let her die and later shoot Kenny.
But you really want spare his life? Then go to Wellington and stay in - emotional scene; goodbye with georgeous beard.
Kenny died too fast? Didn't like the way it happened?
You're not satisfied with the look of his beard?
Not enough emotions?
OMID'S … moreCAT WILL HELP YOU.
(Remember, Clem must be alone to meet Javi in s3.)
Ok. Go back to the end of s2 episode 5. To the scene when your hero's trying to stab Jane. Shoot Kenny. He'll die.
That scene is long enough, emotional and Ken's beard is an art. See, you're getting what you want!
What? You don't like Jane? Then let her die and later shoot Kenny.
But you really want spare his life? Then go to Wellington and stay in - emotional scene; goodbye with georgeous beard.
Fixed. No Kenny in season 3, no problem.
I like how the game freezing in certain transitions from cutscene to gameplay is still there (talking about when the game freezes as it transitions from when Clem points her gun at walker!Jane before going to gameplay.
I like how Kenny teaching Clementine how to drive was his own downfall.
Man I still can't get over just how bad his death is. Basica… morelly killed in a driving lesson gone wrong. I mean how did the writers think that this would be a good idea? I don't know who's death is worse out of him and Jane tbh. Season 2 Jane would have laughed or be disgusted at the idea of suicide. Jane would never be that weak, lmao. Both set of fans got screwed.
Watched the first episode. It wasn't bad. Definitely more interesting than adventures of black ninja woman. Redhead is horny, Asian doc is h… moreorny, Clem... likes our protagonist. It's good to be Javier de la Hoya Fernandez Garcia.
Graphic is nice, some characters are beautiful, but some... Jesus, what have they done with Jane's face?! Her look was the reason she commited suicide. Also, girl from Javi's family resembles Clem too much. Kid is turning Carl.
Why would she do that and let herself turn into a walker after what happened to her sister
After what she thinks happened to her sister...
At least then, he would've died a heroic way.
Technically, this still is. He refused to let Clementine worrying about him get herself or AJ killed and used himself as a distraction while they run away.
It's not that. It's that the way they died was poorly done. Jane hanging herself makes no sense. Why would she do that and let herself turn … moreinto a walker after what happened to her sister and it's not like her character to do that, and Kenny survives near impossible events and that's how he dies? Cop out. Im stating to think that maybe Kenny should've died in the alley way protecting Ben, or helping Christa. At least then, he would've died a heroic way. This was just telltale not knowing what to do so they just killed them off as cheaply as they could.
So the woman who decided to save Sarah on the observation deck without prompting,
Do you have a video proving that? Because I swear I saw that somewhere before but I can't seem to find evidence without replaying the game myself. And spoilers: I won't be able to when I get back to it.
Except anyone paying attention to Jane in Season 2 would realize that Kenny's evaluation of her was completely inaccurate. So the woman who … moredecided to save Sarah on the observation deck without prompting, came back to save the group from the Russians, and rushed into the middle of a frozen lake to pull Clementine out "only cared about herself"?
People in the writing biz call this "character assassination".
I'm just laughing at everyone overreacting. How did nobody so this coming? When you prevent a character from dying in a Walking Dead game th… moreey are just going to die later on.
Yes I know Kenny was a favorite for many but his and Jane's deaths were not terribly done. They were still emotional (while short).
Graphics were awful, too. Jane and Kenny were so ugly.
I think the graphics of the game looked pretty beautiful. I kept noticing how lovely everything looked during the cut scenes & gameplay. But... I do have to agree that Kenny and Jane didn't look that great. They looked pretty hideous.
is it possible that Tattletale decided to go with Sean's rough draft for S2 for S3Ep2, the draft where Kenny's supposed to be the big baddie of some big group but instead they went with Javi's brother?
I expressed my frustrations in a different thread, but on a seperate note, what on earth is wrong with Kenny and Janes faces? They look horrible, their body models included, it doesn't look at all like they did beforehand. And isn't Kenny middle aged? Despite his weariness, he did show some strength and youthfulness. Why on earth did they change his appearance so dramatically?
I was interested in seeing how Kenny and Jane fight and survive, we didn't see them do a huge amount due to the briefness of the episodes. I was interested in seeing Kenny conflict with new groups, he had grown to be a rather intimidating and strong survivor, so it came off as especially strange that he would somehow, just this one time, forget to wear a seatbelt, not to mention they wrote him as an idiot in regards to how he was teaching Clementine, that felt like a body double. I genuinely wanted to see if he was capable and intelligent in survival and conflict situations. And I wanted to see Jane use some Guerrilla tactics, and perhaps learn more of her backstory (along with all the other underdeveloped characters).
And with Jane, Telltale ironically supported the dislike for her by parts of the fandom, and frustrated others by writing her out of the character they thought she was. (I personally liked them both and thought the conflict and fights were very contrived on the part of the season two writers, especially the bizarre dislike of Kenny when he didn't do anything that I felt should alarm these survivors who supposedly have gotten through two years of the apocalypse without becoming desensitised, it comes off as ridiculous, like a day one story). Wellington made no sense either for already explained reasons.
Everyone from the last two seasons is dead or gone, none of the storylines matter, everything is hopeless, blah, blah, blah, not very engaging storytelling. Retconning everything with a new cast of characters doesn't help Telltale.
Kenny is my all time favorite character in TWD, hell in any video game. More than Clementine, more than Lee. We spent roughly 20 hours with him. Some of us, including me went out of our way to defend and stick by him through hell and high water. I stayed with him at the end of Season 2 and had a happy ending. Let's jump 2 and a half years, shall we? We get 3 minutes of happy dialogue, and then just like that, Kenny is ripped away from us in one of the most stupid ways possible!
Could they not have just gone with the extremely easy idea of keeping Kenny/Jane alive with AJ off screen and having Clementine reunite with them at the end of the season? Like FUCKING HELL! For the writers of some of my favorite all time games, Telltale really has become lazy and quite dumb. (excuse the childish wording, I really can't think of any better words.) Some people, myself included, hold TWD and it's characters near and dear to our hearts. And what does Telltale do? RIP THEM AWAY LIKE THEY'RE NOTHING! I have a Kenny poster on my Christmas list, and it's the thing I'm looking forward to most. Hell Gavin even offered to sign it for me! Kenny has been held close to my heart for a long LONG time! He's a legend when it comes to TWD. Love or hate him, he's one of the most iconic TWD characters there is, yet he gets launched out a fucking car and we can't do anything about it! Yes I understand this is Walking Dead, yes I understand anything can happen, yes I'm happy he went out saving Clem & AJ, but for fuck's sake what was even the point of Season 2?! We spent all that time building and had a really sad or a really happy ending and then it's yanked away as soon as we get back into the story!!!! Telltale...FUCK....YOU! You had an enormous amount of time to tailor the story to please your audience. You could have used this to make a determinant choice matter for once but nope! LAZY! Nothing against Javier but honestly, nobody asked for him! Everyone wanted to have a continuation of 205! We wanted to see what happened to Clementine, and her journey with Kenny/Jane/by herself. The whole catering to new players is bullshit as well. If people want to get into the series, they can play the first two and I'm sure they'll have a damn good time doing so because they are both great games and a moving experience. This better turn out to be a dream flashback and you better rectify your wrongs Telltale. I know it's a slim chance, but it's not too late to keep Kenny/Jane alive. As far as I'm concerned, I went into this game excited as all hell, and I came out of it upset and angry. I honestly don't think the series can pick up in my perspective. Sure the story could become interesting, but with Kenny gone there's no upside to the story for me and I'm sure a whole lot of others.
And with Jane, Telltale ironically supported the dislike for her by parts of the fandom, and frustrated others by writing her out of the character they thought she was.
Yeah, pretty much. And you know, I remember saying "I'm sure they gonn' try and pull something outta their ass to "redeem" her character," and...that really didn't do a good job. In fact, it's barely worth an Alas, Poor Scrappy.
Everyone from the last two seasons is dead or gone
I expressed my frustrations in a different thread, but on a seperate note, what on earth is wrong with Kenny and Janes faces? They look horr… moreible, their body models included, it doesn't look at all like they did beforehand. And isn't Kenny middle aged? Despite his weariness, he did show some strength and youthfulness. Why on earth did they change his appearance so dramatically?
I was interested in seeing how Kenny and Jane fight and survive, we didn't see them do a huge amount due to the briefness of the episodes. I was interested in seeing Kenny conflict with new groups, he had grown to be a rather intimidating and strong survivor, so it came off as especially strange that he would somehow, just this one time, forget to wear a seatbelt, not to mention they wrote him as an idiot in regards to how he was teaching Clementine, that felt like a body double. I genuinely wanted to see if he was capable and intelligent in survival and conflict sit… [view original content]
I obviously know about Clementine, but for the sake of dramatisation I didn't mention her :P
That being said, she feels like a completely different character from both her original depiction (even if you consider maturing), and the way players role played her in season 2.
It still doesn't make any sense that they turned a player character into a defined npc to be frank.
And with Jane, Telltale ironically supported the dislike for her by parts of the fandom, and frustrated others by writing her out of the cha… moreracter they thought she was.
Yeah, pretty much. And you know, I remember saying "I'm sure they gonn' try and pull something outta their ass to "redeem" her character," and...that really didn't do a good job. In fact, it's barely worth an Alas, Poor Scrappy.
Everyone from the last two seasons is dead or gone
Except Clementine.
I obviously know about Clementine, but for the sake of dramatisation I didn't mention her :P
I know, I just couldn't let it go.
That being said, she feels like a completely different character from both her original depiction (even if you consider maturing), and the way players role played her in season 2.
Yeah, I noticed that as well.
It still doesn't make any sense that they turned a player character into a defined npc to be frank.
To be fair, other series does that from time to time and Clementine started out as an NPC, so she's sorta back to her roots.
I obviously know about Clementine, but for the sake of dramatisation I didn't mention her :P
That being said, she feels like a completely d… moreifferent character from both her original depiction (even if you consider maturing), and the way players role played her in season 2.
It still doesn't make any sense that they turned a player character into a defined npc to be frank.
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Jane looked terrible, but I thought Kenny looked pretty good. But yeah, the way they went out was really lazy. They easily could have found a way to either keep them alive, but not involved with the current events of the game, or kill them off much, much later.
I noticed that they are reusing music from previous seasons... mostly from S2.
Disagree. Despite how terrible the endings were handled, the rest of the episodes were great all around.
Season 1 > Season 2 > Season 3 (which still has 3 episodes left I might add) > Michonne
As someone who generally enjoyed the first two episodes, this is utterly hilarious. Gabe yelling out "I'm a man," had me bursting.
The return of past characters would ruin whatever hope the season has.
I'm just laughing at everyone overreacting. How did nobody so this coming? When you prevent a character from dying in a Walking Dead game they are just going to die later on.
Yes I know Kenny was a favorite for many but his and Jane's deaths were not terribly done. They were still emotional (while short).
We known they were gonna die. But it was essentially an even lazier determinant character death then Zachary from michonne.
It was like this:
Jane/Kenny pop up.
Say 10 Lines.
Telltale : "ok good enough now kill em"
He got lucky, real lucky.
Does anyone else miss those good indie folk songs in the credits (I fell in love with the song in the water by anadel from s2 ep1) and also the 'next time on/previously on'... the things we take for granted lol
Kenny died too fast? Didn't like the way it happened?
You're not satisfied with the look of his beard?
Not enough emotions?
OMID'S CAT WILL HELP YOU.
(Remember, Clem must be alone to meet Javi in s3.)
Ok. Go back to the end of s2 episode 5. To the scene when your hero's trying to stab Jane. Shoot Kenny. He'll die.
That scene is long enough, emotional and Ken's beard is an art. See, you're getting what you want!
What? You don't like Jane? Then let her die and later shoot Kenny.
But you really want spare his life? Then go to Wellington and stay in - emotional scene; goodbye with georgeous beard.
Fixed. No Kenny in season 3, no problem.
i'd rather play a game where we actually do go looking to rescue Omid's and Christa' s cat than this! xD
I know, right? As if the scene was mood whiplashingly narmy enough.
Jane.
...Ava?
Oh my goodness, the amount of Hilarious/Harsher in Hindsight...
Agreed.
After what she thinks happened to her sister...
Technically, this still is. He refused to let Clementine worrying about him get herself or AJ killed and used himself as a distraction while they run away.
Do you have a video proving that? Because I swear I saw that somewhere before but I can't seem to find evidence without replaying the game myself. And spoilers: I won't be able to when I get back to it.
Uh, "they" didn't gave her anything. At most, they just made them even more noticeable.
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Even those who hated them?
It was a middle name, I thought?
I think it was more people hoping that Telltale wouldn't go the predictable route than people not thinking it would happen.
I think the graphics of the game looked pretty beautiful. I kept noticing how lovely everything looked during the cut scenes & gameplay. But... I do have to agree that Kenny and Jane didn't look that great. They looked pretty hideous.
i just can't believe they actually pulled an omid again jesus wtf
Omid didn't have the powerset or overprominence that those two did.
That makes some amount of sense, actually. After all, they technically did the same with Crawford and Carver.
yep, because chances are, they don't really care what's done with them in the narrative.
well, they might, but not in the same vain.
I expressed my frustrations in a different thread, but on a seperate note, what on earth is wrong with Kenny and Janes faces? They look horrible, their body models included, it doesn't look at all like they did beforehand. And isn't Kenny middle aged? Despite his weariness, he did show some strength and youthfulness. Why on earth did they change his appearance so dramatically?
I was interested in seeing how Kenny and Jane fight and survive, we didn't see them do a huge amount due to the briefness of the episodes. I was interested in seeing Kenny conflict with new groups, he had grown to be a rather intimidating and strong survivor, so it came off as especially strange that he would somehow, just this one time, forget to wear a seatbelt, not to mention they wrote him as an idiot in regards to how he was teaching Clementine, that felt like a body double. I genuinely wanted to see if he was capable and intelligent in survival and conflict situations. And I wanted to see Jane use some Guerrilla tactics, and perhaps learn more of her backstory (along with all the other underdeveloped characters).
And with Jane, Telltale ironically supported the dislike for her by parts of the fandom, and frustrated others by writing her out of the character they thought she was. (I personally liked them both and thought the conflict and fights were very contrived on the part of the season two writers, especially the bizarre dislike of Kenny when he didn't do anything that I felt should alarm these survivors who supposedly have gotten through two years of the apocalypse without becoming desensitised, it comes off as ridiculous, like a day one story). Wellington made no sense either for already explained reasons.
Everyone from the last two seasons is dead or gone, none of the storylines matter, everything is hopeless, blah, blah, blah, not very engaging storytelling. Retconning everything with a new cast of characters doesn't help Telltale.
Ok here is my entire piece:
Kenny is my all time favorite character in TWD, hell in any video game. More than Clementine, more than Lee. We spent roughly 20 hours with him. Some of us, including me went out of our way to defend and stick by him through hell and high water. I stayed with him at the end of Season 2 and had a happy ending. Let's jump 2 and a half years, shall we? We get 3 minutes of happy dialogue, and then just like that, Kenny is ripped away from us in one of the most stupid ways possible!
Could they not have just gone with the extremely easy idea of keeping Kenny/Jane alive with AJ off screen and having Clementine reunite with them at the end of the season? Like FUCKING HELL! For the writers of some of my favorite all time games, Telltale really has become lazy and quite dumb. (excuse the childish wording, I really can't think of any better words.) Some people, myself included, hold TWD and it's characters near and dear to our hearts. And what does Telltale do? RIP THEM AWAY LIKE THEY'RE NOTHING! I have a Kenny poster on my Christmas list, and it's the thing I'm looking forward to most. Hell Gavin even offered to sign it for me! Kenny has been held close to my heart for a long LONG time! He's a legend when it comes to TWD. Love or hate him, he's one of the most iconic TWD characters there is, yet he gets launched out a fucking car and we can't do anything about it! Yes I understand this is Walking Dead, yes I understand anything can happen, yes I'm happy he went out saving Clem & AJ, but for fuck's sake what was even the point of Season 2?! We spent all that time building and had a really sad or a really happy ending and then it's yanked away as soon as we get back into the story!!!! Telltale...FUCK....YOU! You had an enormous amount of time to tailor the story to please your audience. You could have used this to make a determinant choice matter for once but nope! LAZY! Nothing against Javier but honestly, nobody asked for him! Everyone wanted to have a continuation of 205! We wanted to see what happened to Clementine, and her journey with Kenny/Jane/by herself. The whole catering to new players is bullshit as well. If people want to get into the series, they can play the first two and I'm sure they'll have a damn good time doing so because they are both great games and a moving experience. This better turn out to be a dream flashback and you better rectify your wrongs Telltale. I know it's a slim chance, but it's not too late to keep Kenny/Jane alive. As far as I'm concerned, I went into this game excited as all hell, and I came out of it upset and angry. I honestly don't think the series can pick up in my perspective. Sure the story could become interesting, but with Kenny gone there's no upside to the story for me and I'm sure a whole lot of others.
Yeah, pretty much. And you know, I remember saying "I'm sure they gonn' try and pull something outta their ass to "redeem" her character," and...that really didn't do a good job. In fact, it's barely worth an Alas, Poor Scrappy.
Except Clementine.
They didn't have to take the predictable route and kill them at the very beginning though.
They haven't really handled a determinant character well since freaking Doug and Carly.
He breaks his back.
I honestly did after 3 years. I know game development is hard, but they couldn't stretch them into episode 2 or 3?
Think Carly and Doug. That was the last time they handled a determinant character branch well.
I obviously know about Clementine, but for the sake of dramatisation I didn't mention her :P
That being said, she feels like a completely different character from both her original depiction (even if you consider maturing), and the way players role played her in season 2.
It still doesn't make any sense that they turned a player character into a defined npc to be frank.
I know, I just couldn't let it go.
Yeah, I noticed that as well.
To be fair, other series does that from time to time and Clementine started out as an NPC, so she's sorta back to her roots.
Am I the only one that liked the way Kenny died? He kinda sacrificed himself (again), for the sake of Clem and AJ