There are two elements to it I think.
1) His plan was based on giving over someone who was in no way obligated to stick around and help t… morehe group, I think that's unfair, regardless of Clem's past.
2) His threats were spurred by emotional turmoil, there was no telling what he could do (and will do if you let the timer run out) so I simply reacted to the shoot him choice.
I think it has actually been a while since I made a choice with so little consideration. I didn't even pause and discuss the choice with my sister like I had done with almost all other choices in the season.
Yep. As annoying as his mood swings are, he is still family.
I didn't actually think there was the slightest chance of Conrad actually shooting Gabe, to be honest. But Javi wouldn't know. I think that this is a situation where both choices actually make sense for Javi. He can decide to accept it so that Conrad let Gabe go and hope that Conrad won't use Gabe to threaten Javi into doing things his way in the future, or he can shoot Conrad and hope that he kills Conrad before he gets a chance to pull the trigger on Gabe's head himself. Both ways can be seen as a way to try to protect Gabe.
But she knew the new frontier , what if she decides she wanted to get back with them and was planning to betray them to gain David's trust again? I mean, i knew that couldn't happen but Javi didn't.
Jesus was the guy taking them somewhere, Clem had just said she wanted to leave on the other side.
Also a rather wayabout way of leading people to a trap, wrecking "her peoples" own truck and shooting them.
That's a fine opinion but, to me, I freaking love badass Clem. If she acted the same way in S1, right now, she would die. That's just my two cents about it.
I just find her to be ruthless in this season and I don't like her that way, like I said in another post I liked her more the way she was in… more S1 and S2(my clem was) not as harsh. I know some or most people like her in this season the way she is (stereotypically if u ask me) a "badass" and "trigger happy" I don't care for it.
But she knew the new frontier , what if she decides she wanted to get back with them and was planning to betray them to gain David's trust again? I mean, i knew that couldn't happen but Javi didn't.
I liked Conrad but he wasn't thinking straight which is understandable considering his recent loss, but that doesn't excuse putting a gun to an innocent kids head. I'd of rather not of killed him and been able to talk him down or something but as we weren't given that, he had to go. Sorry Conrad, you should have just kept walking.
Alot of it does come down to biastness because of all the love for Clem though... This is what happens when we no longer play as Clem TT. :P
The plan was to utilize Clementine's status as apart of the New Frontier to create a more amicable situation for the main cast.
Clementin… moree was known for all of one day, lied to them, shot someone they knew in the face, was one to agitate decisions like suggesting to shoot when they had Francine, might've drawn enemies like the New Frontier toward them to begin with, and so on.
Using her as a bargaining chip to appease their enemies and not risk any further deaths, especially when Clem has chosen to be volatile at times, even if well-intending and a hardy survivor, isn't a bad thing. It's a plan that makes some sense, if the New Frontier is willing to compromise.
And this was all under emotional duress of the apocalypse, the attacks, constant danger, heading toward enemy territory, surviving recently just escaping zombies, and having lost someone he loved.
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He didn't simply suggest a plan... he pulled a gun on Clementine and held Gabe hostage.
I tried remaining silent on my first playthrough … morebecause I thought Conrad was a decent guy and that he would calm down and lower the gun.
He ends up shooting Gabe in the head and then shooting Javi without a second thought.
The decision to shoot him was pretty easy after that.
Agreed. I don't hate it, since she's barely around long enough to grate on me anyway, but it is a noticeable issue. The results of hanging of Jane and determinately Kenny, no doubt.
I just find her to be ruthless in this season and I don't like her that way, like I said in another post I liked her more the way she was in… more S1 and S2(my clem was) not as harsh. I know some or most people like her in this season the way she is (stereotypically if u ask me) a "badass" and "trigger happy" I don't care for it.
I could never kill Conrad, same with that driver in ep 1. Even though it pissed Clem off, when Javi tried to reason with NF, I chose "Clemen… moretine's a friend" which resulted in Javi explaining that it's a tough decision to use her as bargaining chip. Also, when Javi explained that, Clem seemed to understand why he had to do it.
I don't seem to recall Sarah grabbing a gun and going nuts lol. But yea, I guess if they pull a swerve and turn Clem bad because conflict, J… moreaviers gonna have to fall in line, I'll leave it up in the air as to whether or not that's bias or spite. Given the terrible way they've handled older characters in this series, it wouldn't really make my decision to give TTs products a break, this really doesn't feel like a follow up to season 2.
Don't get me wrong, i like Clementine i think she's a good character, but im not biased towards her, if she does something wrong, i won't tu… morern a blind eye just because it's her. They kind of did with the Conrad decision, Clementine reveals she was in the frontier group and even if you say no in the flashback, she still says they were persuasive , and she lies about it and then when we get the choice with Conrad and so many people offed him because let's be real, the Gabe thing was bad, but im willing to bet the majority did it because of Clementine. Let's not forget that the guy recently lost his partner. Remember when Sarah lost Carlos? Everyone had sympathy for her but poor Conrad gets the bullet because of the biased opinion. I kind of do hope they turn her bad, would be funny seeing the fans go off their heads about it.
Molly...umm no? Way too soon to say all that. Jane with common sense maybe. Clem is worked in well here. If your complaint is we don't co… morentrol her enough. I remind you we want her alive. We have good chance to see this remain so if Javier is calling the shots. My Javier wants Clem to join his tribe. But he's willing to let her come to them because he Knows what being bullied into things feels like.
You know Andy could've as well with Duck seeing how he shot Kenny and had Clementine at gun point. It;s the same thing but the reason why most didn't kill him was again because of Clementine. Majority didn;t want to kill the brothers in front of her, my how times have change.
Nah, I let him live, seeing as he was already defeated and no longer a threat.
Conrad, on the other hand, had a gun to Gabe's head and co… moreuld have pulled the trigger at any given moment. He was a huge threat and unfortunately had to be taken care of.
Still had the 2 kids at gun point and could've killed them at any time. People are saying "When he put the gun to Gabes head, he had to go" Or :"He was mean to my Clem, thats it" Yet Andy St John pulled Clementines hair, held her at gunpoint, held Duck at gunpoint and people let him live, not because of not being a threat, but because they didn't want to kill infront of Clementine.
seeing how he shot Kenny and had Clementine at gun point.
That was prior to him getting beaten up by Lee, though. After the fight, he was unarmed and broken. He couldn't touch my people anymore. Killing him would've been pointless, and I'd rather not have unnecessary blood on my hands.
Conrad was still physically healthy, with a loaded weapon pointed directly at my nephew's head, threatening to kill him if I didn't do as he said.
You know Andy could've as well with Duck seeing how he shot Kenny and had Clementine at gun point. It;s the same thing but the reason why mo… morest didn't kill him was again because of Clementine. Majority didn;t want to kill the brothers in front of her, my how times have change.
Even if that was the reason why they didn't kill Andy, it still makes it a completely different situation.
With Andy, Clementine was a small child and there was still reason not to kill in front of her. When you got the opportunity to kill him, he had already been defeated and there was literally no reason to kill him unless you were afraid of what he could do to them later.
With Conrad, Clementine already saw and done her share of killing. Unlike Andy, Conrad was an immediate threat.
These are completely different situations that you are trying to compare in order to call people out for their decisions. The truth is, it is perfectly coherent to kill Conrad but to not kill Andy.
Still had the 2 kids at gun point and could've killed them at any time. People are saying "When he put the gun to Gabes head, he had to go" … moreOr :"He was mean to my Clem, thats it" Yet Andy St John pulled Clementines hair, held her at gunpoint, held Duck at gunpoint and people let him live, not because of not being a threat, but because they didn't want to kill infront of Clementine.
He does do that, I thought that would be the best choice at first and then I died. I still saved him though since it's one of those weird non-canon deaths that are there to force you to do something (for example, Mike letting the rope go at Howe's)
What about Gabe? Gabe is not as hardened as Clementine as seen by him when Javier sees him breaking down. And you saw him pointing the gun at Conrad. Thing is, that people shot Conrad because he held a kid at gunpoint and his plan with Clementine, but don't Kill Andy even with what he did, if you ask me that's contradicting.
Even if that was the reason why they didn't kill Andy, it still makes it a completely different situation.
With Andy, Clementine was a sm… moreall child and there was still reason not to kill in front of her. When you got the opportunity to kill him, he had already been defeated and there was literally no reason to kill him unless you were afraid of what he could do to them later.
With Conrad, Clementine already saw and done her share of killing. Unlike Andy, Conrad was an immediate threat.
These are completely different situations that you are trying to compare in order to call people out for their decisions. The truth is, it is perfectly coherent to kill Conrad but to not kill Andy.
Mentally weak, he had lost his partner and yes i know people hate Conrad, but losing someone close to you is going to make you feel like shit. My point is that Andy could've killed Clementine and Duck which should render the same reaction as people are doing with Conrad but because Clementine was there, that's why people chose not to kill him, because they didn't want to do it in front her, imagine how many people would've killed him had Clementine not been there. And the whole Gabe and Javier being killed, that's a canon death not what actually happens.
seeing how he shot Kenny and had Clementine at gun point.
That was prior to him getting beaten up by Lee, though. After the fight, h… moree was unarmed and broken. He couldn't touch my people anymore. Killing him would've been pointless, and I'd rather not have unnecessary blood on my hands.
Conrad was still physically healthy, with a loaded weapon pointed directly at my nephew's head, threatening to kill him if I didn't do as he said.
Those two situations aren't similar in any way.
I also want to add the reason I didn't kill Conrad. He's just lost his partner, because of Javi, well of course indirectly but still. Also, do you remember who helped pull Javi up onto the roof when he's on top of the dumpster, disoriented by his own gunshot near his ear? Sure, pointing guns to his nephew was fucked up but still I won't ignore the fact that he's been nice to Javi the first time they met, and saved his life back there. If it was some random NF guy/gal pointing gun to Gabe, I'd shoot em without second thought.
Gabe is about the same age as Clem and had been in the apocalyptic situation for just as long, even if he isn't as hardened as her. Javi obviously has no qualms with shooting people in front of Gabe, since he can return fire at the junkyard before his family leaves. Also, Gabe himself was demanding Javi to NOT agree with the plan, even though his life was at risk.
And the thing is the time of the verb. You can't ignore the time of the verb.
The situations:
1 - Conrad has a kid at gunpoint right now.
2 - Andy had a kid at gunpoint at a time in the past and is now subdued.
It isn't contradictory. In number 1, shooting means protecting a kid from an immediate threat. In number 2, shooting means getting revenge on a young lad for threatening a kid after said lad was already subdued.
The situations and the meaning of the actions are fundamentally different, which is why it is not contradictory.
What about Gabe? Gabe is not as hardened as Clementine as seen by him when Javier sees him breaking down. And you saw him pointing the gun a… moret Conrad. Thing is, that people shot Conrad because he held a kid at gunpoint and his plan with Clementine, but don't Kill Andy even with what he did, if you ask me that's contradicting.
I feel like this choice may have been better if Conrad had been shown to do other things aside from the poker game and his mental breakdown. I think it would've been neat if Conrad treated Javier differently based on how you handled the Francine hostage situation, he'd act the same if you called for open fire, and maybe he'd be nicer and talk more (possibly during that hub) and be generally less threatening to you if you tried to exchange yourself, perhaps he'd point the gun at Clem instead of Gabe out of respect or something. The choice seems pretty stacked against Conrad when the only good thing you're shown of him after his breakdown is him saving your life and then that being glossed over pretty quickly due to the immediate threat vs. a character people have gotten to know over two games and 1 3/4 episodes.
You seem pretty steadfast on your opinion, which is fine. But it's been said multiple times that it's different to us because by the time you get the opportunity to kill Andy he's an unarmed mess on the ground. So he's not much of threat anymore.
Conrad on the other hand will kill Javier and Gabe if you don't make a decision. He is clearly a threat and willing to kill a family because they won't agree to his plan, letting him stay in the group is dangerous.
They a very different situations, so I feel it's not a contradiction.
What about Gabe? Gabe is not as hardened as Clementine as seen by him when Javier sees him breaking down. And you saw him pointing the gun a… moret Conrad. Thing is, that people shot Conrad because he held a kid at gunpoint and his plan with Clementine, but don't Kill Andy even with what he did, if you ask me that's contradicting.
Same, the second he put a gun to Gabe's head, I lost all sympathy for him.
There's being emotionally distraught over your wife's death, and then there's holding someone's nephew at gunpoint to convince them to make a kid a hostage.
Mentally weak, he had lost his partner and yes i know people hate Conrad, but losing someone close to you is going to make you feel like shi… moret. My point is that Andy could've killed Clementine and Duck which should render the same reaction as people are doing with Conrad but because Clementine was there, that's why people chose not to kill him, because they didn't want to do it in front her, imagine how many people would've killed him had Clementine not been there. And the whole Gabe and Javier being killed, that's a canon death not what actually happens.
You seem pretty steadfast on your opinion, which is fine. But it's been said multiple times that it's different to us because by the time yo… moreu get the opportunity to kill Andy he's an unarmed mess on the ground. So he's not much of threat anymore.
Conrad on the other hand will kill Javier and Gabe if you don't make a decision. He is clearly a threat and willing to kill a family because they won't agree to his plan, letting him stay in the group is dangerous.
They a very different situations, so I feel it's not a contradiction.
That decision made me think for a while but I decided to kill him because he threatened to shoot his nephew. If u kept him alive Clem would be upset but I think she would get over it but Gabe might remember that u did not save him right away and allowed Conrad to almost shoot him with no consequences. Even though there were no consequences when Gabe almost shot Conrad.
1: That is a choice on the person playing weather to shoot and that involves Clementine again, because she begs for Javier to stay and fight which is pretty stupid because look what happens if you stay,
2: Yes because Gabe has a crush on Clementine, so of course he is going to say no to the plan, i bet if he disliked Clementine and he knew the plan could save his mother, he would agree to it.
It is a contradiction, because people are saying that they shot Conrad because he held a kid at gunpoint and what he did to Clementine, Andy did the same thing like i keep saying its only because at that time, we didn't want Clementine exposed to the killings, i bet if she wasn't there, people would've killed him more then what it was.
Gabe is about the same age as Clem and had been in the apocalyptic situation for just as long, even if he isn't as hardened as her. Javi obv… moreiously has no qualms with shooting people in front of Gabe, since he can return fire at the junkyard before his family leaves. Also, Gabe himself was demanding Javi to NOT agree with the plan, even though his life was at risk.
And the thing is the time of the verb. You can't ignore the time of the verb.
The situations:
1 - Conrad has a kid at gunpoint right now.
2 - Andy had a kid at gunpoint at a time in the past and is now subdued.
It isn't contradictory. In number 1, shooting means protecting a kid from an immediate threat. In number 2, shooting means getting revenge on a young lad for threatening a kid after said lad was already subdued.
The situations and the meaning of the actions are fundamentally different, which is why it is not contradictory.
It's a canon death, if you don/t make up your mind in time, if we are talking about canon deaths, then if Lee wouldvve died the st johns would've killed the kids for food as well so there's n o argument in that.
The fact is that everyone keeps saying it's okay because Andy wasn't a threat yet you all are contradicting yourself to try and find an excuse. Andy did the same thing as Conrad did just at different times, you's only didn't kill him because of what Clementine would think.
You seem pretty steadfast on your opinion, which is fine. But it's been said multiple times that it's different to us because by the time yo… moreu get the opportunity to kill Andy he's an unarmed mess on the ground. So he's not much of threat anymore.
Conrad on the other hand will kill Javier and Gabe if you don't make a decision. He is clearly a threat and willing to kill a family because they won't agree to his plan, letting him stay in the group is dangerous.
They a very different situations, so I feel it's not a contradiction.
He did what he didb ecause he knew that it would get to Javier, and also don't forget, he reacted hostile because Clementine lied about who she used to be with. So yeah he went off his top and thought she might be bad after all and we don't know yet if she's good or bad. It doesn't change the fact in what he did which is similar to what Conrad did. I wonder how many people wanted to kil lAndy when he pulled Clementine by the hair. And then they changed their minds when they knew killing the brothers in front of Clementine was a bad idea.
Mentally weak, he had lost his partner and yes i know people hate Conrad, but losing someone close to you is going to make you feel like shi… moret.
I totally understand why he did what he did, and I felt for the guy. I liked him a lot, actually.
But that doesn't change the fact that he was an immediate threat.
My point is that Andy could've killed Clementine and Duck
And my point is that, while he could have prior to the fight, he was no longer capable of doing so once it was over.
The guy was on his knees, beaten and bloodied. He wasn't doing anything to hurt anyone in the state he was in.
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About #1,for all they knew Clem could be taking them straight into a trap.
Yep. As annoying as his mood swings are, he is still family.
I didn't actually think there was the slightest chance of Conrad actually shooting Gabe, to be honest. But Javi wouldn't know. I think that this is a situation where both choices actually make sense for Javi. He can decide to accept it so that Conrad let Gabe go and hope that Conrad won't use Gabe to threaten Javi into doing things his way in the future, or he can shoot Conrad and hope that he kills Conrad before he gets a chance to pull the trigger on Gabe's head himself. Both ways can be seen as a way to try to protect Gabe.
Killed him to not risk having Gabe dead, besides, I didn't want to give Clementine to the bad guys...
Jesus was the guy taking them somewhere, Clem had just said she wanted to leave on the other side.
Also a rather wayabout way of leading people to a trap, wrecking "her peoples" own truck and shooting them.
But she knew the new frontier , what if she decides she wanted to get back with them and was planning to betray them to gain David's trust again? I mean, i knew that couldn't happen but Javi didn't.
That's how I felt too. I was actually hoping we could stage some sort of hostage situation with Clem... And then Conrad threatened to shoot Gabe.
I don't even feel sorry for Conrad. I do feel sorry for Tripp, though. He was really shaken by Conrad's death.
Andy wasn't an immediate threat anymore, while Conrad still was.
That's a fine opinion but, to me, I freaking love badass Clem. If she acted the same way in S1, right now, she would die. That's just my two cents about it.
Dumb of her to reveal her prior affiliation to them in that case. Does she always do that by the way?
I liked Conrad but he wasn't thinking straight which is understandable considering his recent loss, but that doesn't excuse putting a gun to an innocent kids head. I'd of rather not of killed him and been able to talk him down or something but as we weren't given that, he had to go. Sorry Conrad, you should have just kept walking.
Alot of it does come down to biastness because of all the love for Clem though... This is what happens when we no longer play as Clem TT. :P
Funny you mention that because, for a second, that's what I thought she did.
Seroiusly?!
Yep!!!
Agreed. I don't hate it, since she's barely around long enough to grate on me anyway, but it is a noticeable issue. The results of hanging of Jane and determinately Kenny, no doubt.
Interesting.
Same. Ironically, Carver barely made that list at first because I tried to appeal to his non-existent empathy.
You know, the funny thing is you say that and while I definitely know it's true, that seemed to be what they were settin up at one point.
Wait, what's the comparison here? Cause from what I observed, people blamed her for Carlos's death. For some fucking reason.
Wow, that's...pretty damn bad.
But more like Jane with common sense, some humility, and empathy.
Dude that pic is beautiful just wanted to tell you that Vengefulkenny lol
Thank you good sir it is Javi's true form
You know Andy could've as well with Duck seeing how he shot Kenny and had Clementine at gun point. It;s the same thing but the reason why most didn't kill him was again because of Clementine. Majority didn;t want to kill the brothers in front of her, my how times have change.
Still had the 2 kids at gun point and could've killed them at any time. People are saying "When he put the gun to Gabes head, he had to go" Or :"He was mean to my Clem, thats it" Yet Andy St John pulled Clementines hair, held her at gunpoint, held Duck at gunpoint and people let him live, not because of not being a threat, but because they didn't want to kill infront of Clementine.
That was prior to him getting beaten up by Lee, though. After the fight, he was unarmed and broken. He couldn't touch my people anymore. Killing him would've been pointless, and I'd rather not have unnecessary blood on my hands.
Conrad was still physically healthy, with a loaded weapon pointed directly at my nephew's head, threatening to kill him if I didn't do as he said.
Those two situations aren't similar in any way.
Besides, don't you want to see Clem giving the finger to NF guys? :P
Even if that was the reason why they didn't kill Andy, it still makes it a completely different situation.
With Andy, Clementine was a small child and there was still reason not to kill in front of her. When you got the opportunity to kill him, he had already been defeated and there was literally no reason to kill him unless you were afraid of what he could do to them later.
With Conrad, Clementine already saw and done her share of killing. Unlike Andy, Conrad was an immediate threat.
These are completely different situations that you are trying to compare in order to call people out for their decisions. The truth is, it is perfectly coherent to kill Conrad but to not kill Andy.
He does do that, I thought that would be the best choice at first and then I died. I still saved him though since it's one of those weird non-canon deaths that are there to force you to do something (for example, Mike letting the rope go at Howe's)
What about Gabe? Gabe is not as hardened as Clementine as seen by him when Javier sees him breaking down. And you saw him pointing the gun at Conrad. Thing is, that people shot Conrad because he held a kid at gunpoint and his plan with Clementine, but don't Kill Andy even with what he did, if you ask me that's contradicting.
Mentally weak, he had lost his partner and yes i know people hate Conrad, but losing someone close to you is going to make you feel like shit. My point is that Andy could've killed Clementine and Duck which should render the same reaction as people are doing with Conrad but because Clementine was there, that's why people chose not to kill him, because they didn't want to do it in front her, imagine how many people would've killed him had Clementine not been there. And the whole Gabe and Javier being killed, that's a canon death not what actually happens.
I also want to add the reason I didn't kill Conrad. He's just lost his partner, because of Javi, well of course indirectly but still. Also, do you remember who helped pull Javi up onto the roof when he's on top of the dumpster, disoriented by his own gunshot near his ear? Sure, pointing guns to his nephew was fucked up but still I won't ignore the fact that he's been nice to Javi the first time they met, and saved his life back there. If it was some random NF guy/gal pointing gun to Gabe, I'd shoot em without second thought.
Gabe is about the same age as Clem and had been in the apocalyptic situation for just as long, even if he isn't as hardened as her. Javi obviously has no qualms with shooting people in front of Gabe, since he can return fire at the junkyard before his family leaves. Also, Gabe himself was demanding Javi to NOT agree with the plan, even though his life was at risk.
And the thing is the time of the verb. You can't ignore the time of the verb.
The situations:
1 - Conrad has a kid at gunpoint right now.
2 - Andy had a kid at gunpoint at a time in the past and is now subdued.
It isn't contradictory. In number 1, shooting means protecting a kid from an immediate threat. In number 2, shooting means getting revenge on a young lad for threatening a kid after said lad was already subdued.
The situations and the meaning of the actions are fundamentally different, which is why it is not contradictory.
I feel like this choice may have been better if Conrad had been shown to do other things aside from the poker game and his mental breakdown. I think it would've been neat if Conrad treated Javier differently based on how you handled the Francine hostage situation, he'd act the same if you called for open fire, and maybe he'd be nicer and talk more (possibly during that hub) and be generally less threatening to you if you tried to exchange yourself, perhaps he'd point the gun at Clem instead of Gabe out of respect or something. The choice seems pretty stacked against Conrad when the only good thing you're shown of him after his breakdown is him saving your life and then that being glossed over pretty quickly due to the immediate threat vs. a character people have gotten to know over two games and 1 3/4 episodes.
You seem pretty steadfast on your opinion, which is fine. But it's been said multiple times that it's different to us because by the time you get the opportunity to kill Andy he's an unarmed mess on the ground. So he's not much of threat anymore.
Conrad on the other hand will kill Javier and Gabe if you don't make a decision. He is clearly a threat and willing to kill a family because they won't agree to his plan, letting him stay in the group is dangerous.
They a very different situations, so I feel it's not a contradiction.
Same, the second he put a gun to Gabe's head, I lost all sympathy for him.
There's being emotionally distraught over your wife's death, and then there's holding someone's nephew at gunpoint to convince them to make a kid a hostage.
The guy lost it.
I totally understand why he did what he did, and I felt for the guy. I liked him a lot, actually.
But that doesn't change the fact that he was an immediate threat.
And my point is that, while he could have prior to the fight, he was no longer capable of doing so once it was over.
The guy was on his knees, beaten and bloodied. He wasn't doing anything to hurt anyone in the state he was in.
Wait he actually kills Javier and Gabe if you don't make a decision?!
That decision made me think for a while but I decided to kill him because he threatened to shoot his nephew. If u kept him alive Clem would be upset but I think she would get over it but Gabe might remember that u did not save him right away and allowed Conrad to almost shoot him with no consequences. Even though there were no consequences when Gabe almost shot Conrad.
1: That is a choice on the person playing weather to shoot and that involves Clementine again, because she begs for Javier to stay and fight which is pretty stupid because look what happens if you stay,
2: Yes because Gabe has a crush on Clementine, so of course he is going to say no to the plan, i bet if he disliked Clementine and he knew the plan could save his mother, he would agree to it.
It is a contradiction, because people are saying that they shot Conrad because he held a kid at gunpoint and what he did to Clementine, Andy did the same thing like i keep saying its only because at that time, we didn't want Clementine exposed to the killings, i bet if she wasn't there, people would've killed him more then what it was.
It's a canon death, if you don/t make up your mind in time, if we are talking about canon deaths, then if Lee wouldvve died the st johns would've killed the kids for food as well so there's n o argument in that.
The fact is that everyone keeps saying it's okay because Andy wasn't a threat yet you all are contradicting yourself to try and find an excuse. Andy did the same thing as Conrad did just at different times, you's only didn't kill him because of what Clementine would think.
He did what he didb ecause he knew that it would get to Javier, and also don't forget, he reacted hostile because Clementine lied about who she used to be with. So yeah he went off his top and thought she might be bad after all and we don't know yet if she's good or bad. It doesn't change the fact in what he did which is similar to what Conrad did. I wonder how many people wanted to kil lAndy when he pulled Clementine by the hair. And then they changed their minds when they knew killing the brothers in front of Clementine was a bad idea.