What's funny is, I didn't do anything for that scene and he shoots Gabe then shoots Javier which resets the scene. After seeing that, there was no way this dickhead was going anywhere.
I shot Conrad because he put a gun to my nephew's forehead after I just lost my niece. I would have heard him out and considered his plan otherwise, but you're threatening to use a kid as a hostage while using a kid already - that's too much. So yeah, fuck Conrad, you just don't mess with kids. Clementine is different since she's not just a kid.
He was holding a gun to Gabe's head, while also trying to convince Javier to hand in Clementine to a group of ruthless killers. Clementine left, and who knows how they treat rogue members? Conrad's plan made sense tactically, but he was impulsive and when Javier didn't immediately agree, he threatened to shoot Gabe. You can't have a guy like that around.
Wait, so telling the truth gets you off scot-free? So, you just up and sell-out Clem, and they're a-okay with what happened. But you cover for her, and make a believable statement, and they throw you in that cage?
I fail to see the logic there; it's almost like those outcomes should have been reversed.
Honestly, this wasn't even a choice to me. This dude I just met, with a wife I heard maybe 7 lines of dialogue from, is threatening some of the only family my playable character has left, all over some plan that will likely end up getting even more people hurt (because, for real, when has a bargaining chip or deal ever gone right?). Nope. He's fodder, IMO.
I will say, I do like how he was listening to Clem and Javier talk. Wasn't super obvious at first, until Clem and Javier both ruined the moment by being way less than subtle about their conversation.
So, you just up and sell-out Clem, and they're a-okay with what happened.
They aren't OK with it, they still put Clem in the "prison", they just decide it's more likely that Javier's telling the truth in this scenario so he isn't thrown in as well and they say they'll get it sorted out.
Wait, so telling the truth gets you off scot-free? So, you just up and sell-out Clem, and they're a-okay with what happened. But you cover f… moreor her, and make a believable statement, and they throw you in that cage?
I fail to see the logic there; it's almost like those outcomes should have been reversed.
Gotcha. So, not a whole lot seems to change anyways, then? I'd have rather sided with Clem anyways, so I suppose this is a choice where the outcome didn't matter to me; I would rather get on Clem's good side.
So, you just up and sell-out Clem, and they're a-okay with what happened.
They aren't OK with it, they still put Clem in the "prison… more", they just decide it's more likely that Javier's telling the truth in this scenario so he isn't thrown in as well and they say they'll get it sorted out.
He had a gun to Gabe's head and wanted to hand Clem over to the same group that killed several people, including his wife and Javier's niece as well as destroying their entire community? Fuck that, you can't afford to keep him around
OP : I actually killed him because he put the gun to Gabe's head. That was 100% instinct on my part and didn't even hesitate. Don't threaten my blood. It was hilarious because my wife watched me immediately search for the option to shoot him saying "Put a gun to my nephew's head huh?".
I know, right!!! Honestly, I was streaming on my first play through so all I did was for shock factor and then I get to the end and my reaction was just that... really people! Really! lol
I shot Conrad as well.
Clementine helped us a lot more than he did in the same amount of time. Sure, Clem lied to us at first, but she had literally no reason to trust us, that's why we can't blame her, especially after all the sh!t she has been through. She was honest to us eventually, that's what matters to me more. Also, the members of The New Frontier are not people that keep their end of a deal. Even if they got Clem, they would screw us over. 100%. Clem is much more useful as a partner than she is as leverage.
I could never kill Conrad, same with that driver in ep 1. Even though it pissed Clem off, when Javi tried to reason with NF, I chose "Clementine's a friend" which resulted in Javi explaining that it's a tough decision to use her as bargaining chip. Also, when Javi explained that, Clem seemed to understand why he had to do it.
I couldn't care less for Conrad so when he pulled a gun on a kid, wanting to put another in danger, after I'd already lost one of them? Man I didn't even hesitate.
Even though I knew Jesus from the comics, I played it in Javi's shoes (and Clem's and Tripps, etc.) so I didn't trust him. Clem is different; I understand she's a badass but when it has to happen, I'll protect Clem with my life. There was no way I was going to risk her life to save another, so Conrad deserved the bullet.
I think it's just hard to expect an unbiased action from people who've gotten to know Clem over the last few games. Ofcourse Jav & compa… moreny don't know her, but we do. And I applaud the people who can make unbiased decisions from Javier's pov. (Same with the Jesus option though. Most people instantly trusted him because they knew him from the comics.)
I find it hard to make decisions that could possibily be harmful for Clem. (Mainly because she looked really anxious and terrified before going into the tunnel)
So I did shoot Conrad, but I didn't expect it to be an instant death lol. That's unfortunately something I'll just have to live with right now. (And given Telltale's illusion of choice he probably won't be around for long anymore anyways.)
I'm one of the small percent who chose to make the deal with Conrad and traded off Clem. (Sorry Clem lol) Maybe he was still distraught over… more the death of his wife/girlfriend or whatever and was thinking irrationally idk but he's not a bad guy (I think) and it was a pretty smart plan or so I thought at the time..it didn't make sense for me to shoot him in that moment so I didn't. Plus clementine's attitude was starting to get on my nerves and but it was worth it to see her give those new frontier guys the middle finger.
Giving the fact the most of reasons why people shot Conrad were because of being biased towards Clementine and what he did to Gabe, i'd be really intrigued to see how all the biased Clementine fans would act if it turned out Clementine was actually with the frontier and was a villain. As messed up as it is, i bet a lot would still be biased even if she was a enemy.
But it goes to show that Clementine can put characters in danger and lie to you about what group she was with, and people will still shoot someone who wants to use her as a hostage based on a biased opinion. I bet that if it was a different character, everyone would jump of their bandwagon and start hating them.
I know, the influence she currently has over majority of players... I think Telltale will use this somewhat to create another controversial "who to save" in the following episodes.
Giving the fact the most of reasons why people shot Conrad were because of being biased towards Clementine and what he did to Gabe, i'd be r… moreeally intrigued to see how all the biased Clementine fans would act if it turned out Clementine was actually with the frontier and was a villain. As messed up as it is, i bet a lot would still be biased even if she was a enemy.
But it goes to show that Clementine can put characters in danger and lie to you about what group she was with, and people will still shoot someone who wants to use her as a hostage based on a biased opinion. I bet that if it was a different character, everyone would jump of their bandwagon and start hating them.
Don't get me wrong, i like Clementine i think she's a good character, but im not biased towards her, if she does something wrong, i won't turn a blind eye just because it's her. They kind of did with the Conrad decision, Clementine reveals she was in the frontier group and even if you say no in the flashback, she still says they were persuasive , and she lies about it and then when we get the choice with Conrad and so many people offed him because let's be real, the Gabe thing was bad, but im willing to bet the majority did it because of Clementine. Let's not forget that the guy recently lost his partner. Remember when Sarah lost Carlos? Everyone had sympathy for her but poor Conrad gets the bullet because of the biased opinion. I kind of do hope they turn her bad, would be funny seeing the fans go off their heads about it.
I know, the influence she currently has over majority of players... I think Telltale will use this somewhat to create another controversial "who to save" in the following episodes.
I didn't shoot Conrad because of Clementine but because he threatened Gabe. My Javier is willing to take extreme measures to protect his family and is flawed with a violent and ruthless streak when pushed.
For me, it felt in character for my Javier to shoot Conrad.
I don't seem to recall Sarah grabbing a gun and going nuts lol. But yea, I guess if they pull a swerve and turn Clem bad because conflict, Javiers gonna have to fall in line, I'll leave it up in the air as to whether or not that's bias or spite. Given the terrible way they've handled older characters in this series, it wouldn't really make my decision to give TTs products a break, this really doesn't feel like a follow up to season 2.
Don't get me wrong, i like Clementine i think she's a good character, but im not biased towards her, if she does something wrong, i won't tu… morern a blind eye just because it's her. They kind of did with the Conrad decision, Clementine reveals she was in the frontier group and even if you say no in the flashback, she still says they were persuasive , and she lies about it and then when we get the choice with Conrad and so many people offed him because let's be real, the Gabe thing was bad, but im willing to bet the majority did it because of Clementine. Let's not forget that the guy recently lost his partner. Remember when Sarah lost Carlos? Everyone had sympathy for her but poor Conrad gets the bullet because of the biased opinion. I kind of do hope they turn her bad, would be funny seeing the fans go off their heads about it.
I don't care how recently you lost someone. Putting a gun to an innocent kid's head for leverage is a big no no and means Conrad's rationality and any mercy I might have felt just went out the window.
Disagreed with it, I wasn't going to betray Clem, and he threatened the nephew with a gun to his head. Had to go. I liked him right up until that moment. His actor and the animation team did a great job. Clear cut decision though.
It can be argued that Sarah shut down in the trailer and almost caused the death of Jane, Luke and Clementine and can result in her own death but yeah lol.
I just hope that Javier doesn't cop if they do because people are quick to blame other characters instead of the writing. No i agree, this feels more like a new story except Clementine has been thrown in but she seems more a supporting character now. season 1 she was Lee's sidekick and the most important character besides Lee, this, feels like she's like Molly but is in more then 1 episode.
I don't seem to recall Sarah grabbing a gun and going nuts lol. But yea, I guess if they pull a swerve and turn Clem bad because conflict, J… moreaviers gonna have to fall in line, I'll leave it up in the air as to whether or not that's bias or spite. Given the terrible way they've handled older characters in this series, it wouldn't really make my decision to give TTs products a break, this really doesn't feel like a follow up to season 2.
Nah, I let him live, seeing as he was already defeated and no longer a threat.
Conrad, on the other hand, had a gun to Gabe's head and could have pulled the trigger at any given moment. He was a huge threat and unfortunately had to be taken care of.
I've made my point on several threads on this subject. I'll boil it down here. Conrad pointed a gun at Clem. Then he put that same gun to Gabes head. Javi had no choice, not when a "third strike" would likely mean Gabes death. For the record I believe Lee, Ken, Jane, or even Rick wouldn't hesitate in this case. Just another point less death to add to the tally. All I wanted was the chance to ask Clem to volunteer. He threatned my nephew he got dead. I'm fine with it until I see what the results may be. I just hope Clem does'nt pull a Kenny at the cabin type thing. She's comeing back there bank it. dragonfire out!
Molly...umm no? Way too soon to say all that. Jane with common sense maybe. Clem is worked in well here. If your complaint is we don't control her enough. I remind you we want her alive. We have good chance to see this remain so if Javier is calling the shots. My Javier wants Clem to join his tribe. But he's willing to let her come to them because he Knows what being bullied into things feels like.
It can be argued that Sarah shut down in the trailer and almost caused the death of Jane, Luke and Clementine and can result in her own deat… moreh but yeah lol.
I just hope that Javier doesn't cop if they do because people are quick to blame other characters instead of the writing. No i agree, this feels more like a new story except Clementine has been thrown in but she seems more a supporting character now. season 1 she was Lee's sidekick and the most important character besides Lee, this, feels like she's like Molly but is in more then 1 episode.
Javi just lost Mariana, and Conrad was threatening to kill Gabe, who was the only family he had left (at least he thought so, at the time).
I felt like it made sense for Javi to shoot Conrad on this situation. Not for Clem, but to protect Gabe.
1) His plan was based on giving over someone who was in no way obligated to stick around and help the group, I think that's unfair, regardless of Clem's past.
2) His threats were spurred by emotional turmoil, there was no telling what he could do (and will do if you let the timer run out) so I simply reacted to the shoot him choice.
I think it has actually been a while since I made a choice with so little consideration. I didn't even pause and discuss the choice with my sister like I had done with almost all other choices in the season.
I just find her to be ruthless in this season and I don't like her that way, like I said in another post I liked her more the way she was in S1 and S2(my clem was) not as harsh. I know some or most people like her in this season the way she is (stereotypically if u ask me) a "badass" and "trigger happy" I don't care for it.
I didn't shoot, Conrad's point made sense. They've only been with Clem for like two days, don't know her well and she lied, if it weren't Clementine more people would have probably gone with his plan.
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Lol, that happens if you don't make a choice?
Now I definitely don't feel bad for killing Conrad, lol.
I shot Conrad because he put a gun to my nephew's forehead after I just lost my niece. I would have heard him out and considered his plan otherwise, but you're threatening to use a kid as a hostage while using a kid already - that's too much. So yeah, fuck Conrad, you just don't mess with kids. Clementine is different since she's not just a kid.
He was holding a gun to Gabe's head, while also trying to convince Javier to hand in Clementine to a group of ruthless killers. Clementine left, and who knows how they treat rogue members? Conrad's plan made sense tactically, but he was impulsive and when Javier didn't immediately agree, he threatened to shoot Gabe. You can't have a guy like that around.
Wait, so telling the truth gets you off scot-free? So, you just up and sell-out Clem, and they're a-okay with what happened. But you cover for her, and make a believable statement, and they throw you in that cage?
I fail to see the logic there; it's almost like those outcomes should have been reversed.
Honestly, this wasn't even a choice to me. This dude I just met, with a wife I heard maybe 7 lines of dialogue from, is threatening some of the only family my playable character has left, all over some plan that will likely end up getting even more people hurt (because, for real, when has a bargaining chip or deal ever gone right?). Nope. He's fodder, IMO.
I will say, I do like how he was listening to Clem and Javier talk. Wasn't super obvious at first, until Clem and Javier both ruined the moment by being way less than subtle about their conversation.
They aren't OK with it, they still put Clem in the "prison", they just decide it's more likely that Javier's telling the truth in this scenario so he isn't thrown in as well and they say they'll get it sorted out.
Gotcha. So, not a whole lot seems to change anyways, then? I'd have rather sided with Clem anyways, so I suppose this is a choice where the outcome didn't matter to me; I would rather get on Clem's good side.
He had a gun to Gabe's head and wanted to hand Clem over to the same group that killed several people, including his wife and Javier's niece as well as destroying their entire community? Fuck that, you can't afford to keep him around
OP : I actually killed him because he put the gun to Gabe's head. That was 100% instinct on my part and didn't even hesitate. Don't threaten my blood. It was hilarious because my wife watched me immediately search for the option to shoot him saying "Put a gun to my nephew's head huh?".
He put a gun to my nephew's head, what did he think I was going to do?
I know, right!!! Honestly, I was streaming on my first play through so all I did was for shock factor and then I get to the end and my reaction was just that... really people! Really! lol
I shot Conrad as well.
Clementine helped us a lot more than he did in the same amount of time. Sure, Clem lied to us at first, but she had literally no reason to trust us, that's why we can't blame her, especially after all the sh!t she has been through. She was honest to us eventually, that's what matters to me more. Also, the members of The New Frontier are not people that keep their end of a deal. Even if they got Clem, they would screw us over. 100%. Clem is much more useful as a partner than she is as leverage.
I could never kill Conrad, same with that driver in ep 1. Even though it pissed Clem off, when Javi tried to reason with NF, I chose "Clementine's a friend" which resulted in Javi explaining that it's a tough decision to use her as bargaining chip. Also, when Javi explained that, Clem seemed to understand why he had to do it.
He was holding a gun to two kids' heads. My Clementine being one of them. Sorry, he gots to go.
Dude threatened a kid to get Javier to use a kid as abargaining chip after Javi just lost another kid. What exactly did he think would happen?
I couldn't care less for Conrad so when he pulled a gun on a kid, wanting to put another in danger, after I'd already lost one of them? Man I didn't even hesitate.
Cruelty towards children and young people really sets me off. Even if it was not Clementine, I would not use a thirteen year old as a bargaining chip.
Javi just lost Mariana, and Conrad was threatening to kill Gabe, who was the only family he had left (at least he thought so, at the time).
I felt like it made sense for Javi to shoot Conrad on this situation. Not for Clem, but to protect Gabe.
Even though I knew Jesus from the comics, I played it in Javi's shoes (and Clem's and Tripps, etc.) so I didn't trust him. Clem is different; I understand she's a badass but when it has to happen, I'll protect Clem with my life. There was no way I was going to risk her life to save another, so Conrad deserved the bullet.
In what ways did her attitude bother you? (I'm curious)
Giving the fact the most of reasons why people shot Conrad were because of being biased towards Clementine and what he did to Gabe, i'd be really intrigued to see how all the biased Clementine fans would act if it turned out Clementine was actually with the frontier and was a villain. As messed up as it is, i bet a lot would still be biased even if she was a enemy.
But it goes to show that Clementine can put characters in danger and lie to you about what group she was with, and people will still shoot someone who wants to use her as a hostage based on a biased opinion. I bet that if it was a different character, everyone would jump of their bandwagon and start hating them.
I know, the influence she currently has over majority of players... I think Telltale will use this somewhat to create another controversial "who to save" in the following episodes.
Don't get me wrong, i like Clementine i think she's a good character, but im not biased towards her, if she does something wrong, i won't turn a blind eye just because it's her. They kind of did with the Conrad decision, Clementine reveals she was in the frontier group and even if you say no in the flashback, she still says they were persuasive , and she lies about it and then when we get the choice with Conrad and so many people offed him because let's be real, the Gabe thing was bad, but im willing to bet the majority did it because of Clementine. Let's not forget that the guy recently lost his partner. Remember when Sarah lost Carlos? Everyone had sympathy for her but poor Conrad gets the bullet because of the biased opinion. I kind of do hope they turn her bad, would be funny seeing the fans go off their heads about it.
I didn't shoot Conrad because of Clementine but because he threatened Gabe. My Javier is willing to take extreme measures to protect his family and is flawed with a violent and ruthless streak when pushed.
For me, it felt in character for my Javier to shoot Conrad.
I don't seem to recall Sarah grabbing a gun and going nuts lol. But yea, I guess if they pull a swerve and turn Clem bad because conflict, Javiers gonna have to fall in line, I'll leave it up in the air as to whether or not that's bias or spite. Given the terrible way they've handled older characters in this series, it wouldn't really make my decision to give TTs products a break, this really doesn't feel like a follow up to season 2.
I don't care how recently you lost someone. Putting a gun to an innocent kid's head for leverage is a big no no and means Conrad's rationality and any mercy I might have felt just went out the window.
Except it's not, as Rick and Carl are basically safe.
Disagreed with it, I wasn't going to betray Clem, and he threatened the nephew with a gun to his head. Had to go. I liked him right up until that moment. His actor and the animation team did a great job. Clear cut decision though.
It can be argued that Sarah shut down in the trailer and almost caused the death of Jane, Luke and Clementine and can result in her own death but yeah lol.
I just hope that Javier doesn't cop if they do because people are quick to blame other characters instead of the writing. No i agree, this feels more like a new story except Clementine has been thrown in but she seems more a supporting character now. season 1 she was Lee's sidekick and the most important character besides Lee, this, feels like she's like Molly but is in more then 1 episode.
I might even considered his plan if he didn't decide to put a gun to Gabe's head. Seriously, fuck him.
I hope the one's who are saying they shot Conrad because of Gabe also killed Andy St John considering he he held both Clementine and Duck at gunpoint.
Nah, I let him live, seeing as he was already defeated and no longer a threat.
Conrad, on the other hand, had a gun to Gabe's head and could have pulled the trigger at any given moment. He was a huge threat and unfortunately had to be taken care of.
I've made my point on several threads on this subject. I'll boil it down here. Conrad pointed a gun at Clem. Then he put that same gun to Gabes head. Javi had no choice, not when a "third strike" would likely mean Gabes death. For the record I believe Lee, Ken, Jane, or even Rick wouldn't hesitate in this case. Just another point less death to add to the tally. All I wanted was the chance to ask Clem to volunteer. He threatned my nephew he got dead. I'm fine with it until I see what the results may be. I just hope Clem does'nt pull a Kenny at the cabin type thing. She's comeing back there bank it. dragonfire out!
Molly...umm no? Way too soon to say all that. Jane with common sense maybe. Clem is worked in well here. If your complaint is we don't control her enough. I remind you we want her alive. We have good chance to see this remain so if Javier is calling the shots. My Javier wants Clem to join his tribe. But he's willing to let her come to them because he Knows what being bullied into things feels like.
Exactly! I wasn't going to let Gabe die as well.
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There are two elements to it I think.
1) His plan was based on giving over someone who was in no way obligated to stick around and help the group, I think that's unfair, regardless of Clem's past.
2) His threats were spurred by emotional turmoil, there was no telling what he could do (and will do if you let the timer run out) so I simply reacted to the shoot him choice.
I think it has actually been a while since I made a choice with so little consideration. I didn't even pause and discuss the choice with my sister like I had done with almost all other choices in the season.
I just find her to be ruthless in this season and I don't like her that way, like I said in another post I liked her more the way she was in S1 and S2(my clem was) not as harsh. I know some or most people like her in this season the way she is (stereotypically if u ask me) a "badass" and "trigger happy" I don't care for it.
I didn't plan to shoot him, I planned to talk him down. But when he put a gun to Javi's nephews head, it was all over for him.
I didn't shoot, Conrad's point made sense. They've only been with Clem for like two days, don't know her well and she lied, if it weren't Clementine more people would have probably gone with his plan.