Problem is that in this fan base, it's okay for kids to threaten to kill adults, but not the other way around. What people have to remember is that Conrad lost his partner and he had a right to be angry and upset, he took his anger out on Javier because he was upset and angry, he helps Javier up later from the walkers that shows he still has compassion, but Gabe pulling the gun on him was a stupid move like Conrad with Gabe, 2 wrongs don't make a right but on these forums, Gabe is more then welcome to pull a gun on Conrad, why? Because his a kid. Kids are allowed to.
He did what he didb ecause he knew that it would get to Javier, and also don't forget, he reacted hostile because Clementine lied about who … moreshe used to be with. So yeah he went off his top and thought she might be bad after all and we don't know yet if she's good or bad. It doesn't change the fact in what he did which is similar to what Conrad did. I wonder how many people wanted to kil lAndy when he pulled Clementine by the hair. And then they changed their minds when they knew killing the brothers in front of Clementine was a bad idea.
If it gets to the point where that happens, then action needs to be taken, but he hasn't done that yet, because, i don't count the canon deaths, because it's a respawn of the game, like Clementine getting eaten by the walker in long road ahead, If you make your choice, kill conrad or accept his plan, he doesn't kill anyone. Im playing as Javier, not myself, so the fact that Clementine lied and we don't even know what her deal was with TNF, she can't be trusted. I know you all love her, but this isn't Lee or Kenny and this is a big jump in timeline, for all we know at the moment, she could be the same or she could be a bad person. What happens if we find out shes still with them and she betrays us? Will you still be her friend
He did what he did because he knew that it would get to Javier
Exactly.
What if, at some point, he decides that killing Gabe (or someone else) is a good way to get to Javier?
That's not a risk I was willing to take.
I know you all love her, but this isn't Lee or Kenny and this is a big jump in timeline, for all we know at the moment, she could be the same or she could be a bad person. What happens if we find out shes still with them and she betrays us? Will you still be her friend
I didn't do it for Clementine, I did it for my nephew.
If you threaten my family, you're signing your death warrant. It's as simple as that.
If it gets to the point where that happens, then action needs to be taken, but he hasn't done that yet, because, i don't count the canon dea… moreths, because it's a respawn of the game, like Clementine getting eaten by the walker in long road ahead, If you make your choice, kill conrad or accept his plan, he doesn't kill anyone. Im playing as Javier, not myself, so the fact that Clementine lied and we don't even know what her deal was with TNF, she can't be trusted. I know you all love her, but this isn't Lee or Kenny and this is a big jump in timeline, for all we know at the moment, she could be the same or she could be a bad person. What happens if we find out shes still with them and she betrays us? Will you still be her friend
I don't need an excuse, I have no regrets over shooting Conrad.
But, y'know, if I had the chance to disarm Conrad, beat him up, then leave him behind I probably would have taken that option.
If I had the chance to kill Andy, his brother and his mother at that dinner table I probably would have taken that option.
If your point is that Conrad wasn't a threat because he doesn't hurt you when you agree with him, I completely disagree. If you think him killing Gabe and Javi isn't in-character because Telltale only put it there to end the timer, I disagree.
It's a canon death, if you don/t make up your mind in time, if we are talking about canon deaths, then if Lee wouldvve died the st johns wou… moreld've killed the kids for food as well so there's n o argument in that.
The fact is that everyone keeps saying it's okay because Andy wasn't a threat yet you all are contradicting yourself to try and find an excuse. Andy did the same thing as Conrad did just at different times, you's only didn't kill him because of what Clementine would think.
I know you all love her, but this isn't Lee or Kenny and this is a big jump in timeline, for all we know at the moment, she could be the sam… moree or she could be a bad person. What happens if we find out shes still with them and she betrays us? Will you still be her friend
I didn't do it for Clementine, I did it for my nephew.
If you threaten my family, you're signing your death warrant. It's as simple as that.
I mean as in the Andy/Conrad situation not if you had regrets. Andy and Conrad did the same thing the difference is that it was at different times but they still did the same thing and the reality is that
You didn't kill the brothers because of Clementine seeing it, because you said that if you had the option at the dinner table, you would've, yet you had chances to kill both and you didn't.
You chose to shoot Conrad over Gabe and Clementine, it's the same thing. You just admitted that you probably would've killed them, you had the chance in the game, why didn't you?
At this stage, he isn't. if you side with him, he doesn't do anything to prove he will hurt you, and the canon death is a respawn, Vernon can kill Lee, so we must hate Vernon, If you fail and the door in a new day breaks open, Clementine runs away without helping Lee, so we'll hate her on that etc, it's just a canon death, it's not part of the plot. Besides the canon, does Conrad shoot any of them? Yes or No?
I don't need an excuse, I have no regrets over shooting Conrad.
But, y'know, if I had the chance to disarm Conrad, beat him up, then leav… moree him behind I probably would have taken that option.
If I had the chance to kill Andy, his brother and his mother at that dinner table I probably would have taken that option.
If your point is that Conrad wasn't a threat because he doesn't hurt you when you agree with him, I completely disagree. If you think him killing Gabe and Javi isn't in-character because Telltale only put it there to end the timer, I disagree.
I feel like this choice may have been better if Conrad had been shown to do other things aside from the poker game and his mental breakdown.… more I think it would've been neat if Conrad treated Javier differently based on how you handled the Francine hostage situation, he'd act the same if you called for open fire, and maybe he'd be nicer and talk more (possibly during that hub) and be generally less threatening to you if you tried to exchange yourself, perhaps he'd point the gun at Clem instead of Gabe out of respect or something. The choice seems pretty stacked against Conrad when the only good thing you're shown of him after his breakdown is him saving your life and then that being glossed over pretty quickly due to the immediate threat vs. a character people have gotten to know over two games and 1 3/4 episodes.
If she had a gun pointed at his head, yeah, I'd kill her. Or at least incapacitate her, if given the option.
It'd be fucking heartbreaking, though, not gonna lie.
Not that I was being a dick to Clem, I was trying to protect her more than anything. She just shot a guy, let's fucking lie about it, that'll go over well. (It helps that it's an accident so telling them that she thought the bullets were a dud and was just trying to scare the guy sounded better to me than "self defense".) So telling the truth just felt realistic in that situation and wouldn't get Clem or Javier hurt.
Gabe must mean a lot to have to kill Clementine.
Family means everything to me. As much as I love Clem, she's not family in this season. Just some kid we met on the road.
I'm more than happy to be her pal, but family always comes first.
1 - The player is Javi. The player can shoot people in front of Gabe. Javi doesn't mind shooting people in front of Gabe.
2 - The boy had a gun to his head. His crush on Clementine doesn't matter on this case, his life was in the line and he still didn't care. Shooting someone in front of him is nothing new. Also, Kate is not his mother.
You still didn't get it.
The reasons for shooting are different.
The thing the person is doing when you have to option to shoot them is different.
They are not by any means contradictory choices. They would be if Andy was an immediate threat. It isn't the case.
1: That is a choice on the person playing weather to shoot and that involves Clementine again, because she begs for Javier to stay and fight… more which is pretty stupid because look what happens if you stay,
2: Yes because Gabe has a crush on Clementine, so of course he is going to say no to the plan, i bet if he disliked Clementine and he knew the plan could save his mother, he would agree to it.
It is a contradiction, because people are saying that they shot Conrad because he held a kid at gunpoint and what he did to Clementine, Andy did the same thing like i keep saying its only because at that time, we didn't want Clementine exposed to the killings, i bet if she wasn't there, people would've killed him more then what it was.
I think the choice was made easy by the way Conrad has been acting since he lost Francine. Beside being extremely rude and angry, he has also been overly aggressive such as shooting walkers in the tunnels which made a situation much worse. The moment he pointed his gun at Gabe and holding him hostage, he proved to me that he is unpredictable and reckless. I can't trust someone like that, so I killed him.
Which is a shame, because I didn't want to kill anyone from the group.
It depends on how you play the game.
She's family regardless and of course it matters about his crush on her, if you side with Conrad, Gabe gets upset about what Javier has done to her, he likes her, so his going to be biased towards her.
I think you're missing the point, you didnt kill Andy because of how Clementine would react, whatever the timeframe was, they both still did it. So killing Conrad and not Andy is double standards.
1 - The player is Javi. The player can shoot people in front of Gabe. Javi doesn't mind shooting people in front of Gabe.
2 - The boy had… more a gun to his head. His crush on Clementine doesn't matter on this case, his life was in the line and he still didn't care. Shooting someone in front of him is nothing new. Also, Kate is not his mother.
You still didn't get it.
The reasons for shooting are different.
The thing the person is doing when you have to option to shoot them is different.
They are not by any means contradictory choices. They would be if Andy was an immediate threat. It isn't the case.
It happens so yeah, it is canon for his personality. He showed he had it in him to actually kill Gabe. I already didn't regret it, now that I know he actually shoots I am actually glad I pulled the trigger.
Honestly if you can't tell the difference between killing an armed man who has a gun to someone's head and who will actually kill them and killing an unnarmed, subdued man who can't harm anyone anymore, I don't know what to tell you.
These are just fundamentally different. You don't kill an unnarmed man, it is simply morally wrong. Shooting someone who is threatening your family's life is not. It is the reason why I didn't shoot the truck driver either. He was unnarmed and had surrendered already.
I don't understand how you can even think the situations are comparable, really. Just because you have the opportunity to shoot someone and Clementine is present? Because that doesn't make for a similar situation in the slightest.
It's a canon death, if you don/t make up your mind in time, if we are talking about canon deaths, then if Lee wouldvve died the st johns wou… moreld've killed the kids for food as well so there's n o argument in that.
The fact is that everyone keeps saying it's okay because Andy wasn't a threat yet you all are contradicting yourself to try and find an excuse. Andy did the same thing as Conrad did just at different times, you's only didn't kill him because of what Clementine would think.
The question is, does he kill them if you make a decision?
I can tell the difference, my point is that they both did the same thing, but the reason why Andy didn't get killed as much as Conrad, was because it you killed him, Clementine would get upset, so thats why people didn't kill him as much as Conrad. No, but it's okay to punch the shit out of man who can't defend himself right?
Because if it was the same situation as Conrad, people would've killed Andy, remember when you have the choice to kill Danny, and it has "Clementine will remember this"? Majority of players aren't going to kill them in front of her because at that stage, she was only 8 years old.
It happens so yeah, it is canon for his personality. He showed he had it in him to actually kill Gabe. I already didn't regret it, now that … moreI know he actually shoots I am actually glad I pulled the trigger.
Honestly if you can't tell the difference between killing an armed man who has a gun to someone's head and who will actually kill them and killing an unnarmed, subdued man who can't harm anyone anymore, I don't know what to tell you.
These are just fundamentally different. You don't kill an unnarmed man, it is simply morally wrong. Shooting someone who is threatening your family's life is not. It is the reason why I didn't shoot the truck driver either. He was unnarmed and had surrendered already.
I don't understand how you can even think the situations are comparable, really. Just because you have the opportunity to shoot someone and Clementine is present? Because that doesn't make for a similar situation in the slightest.
No, I didn't kill Andy because he was no threat anymore, while Conrad was.
His crush doesn't matter because he had a gun to his head. His own life was on the line and he didn't flinch. You are not giving Gabe enough credit, he is not an innocent little kid like Clem in season 1.
It depends on how you play the game.
She's family regardless and of course it matters about his crush on her, if you side with Conrad, Gab… moree gets upset about what Javier has done to her, he likes her, so his going to be biased towards her.
I think you're missing the point, you didnt kill Andy because of how Clementine would react, whatever the timeframe was, they both still did it. So killing Conrad and not Andy is double standards.
You are assuming that's the reason why people didn't kill Andy while everybody is saying the actual reason was that he wasn't a threat anymore.
Conrad doesn't shoot him if, and only if, you agree with his plan. You don't have a choice between agreeing or not. You get a choice between killing, dying and letting your nephew die or agree with the plan and letting someone who would kill you and your family if you disagree with them in the group with you.
The question is, does he kill them if you make a decision?
I can tell the difference, my point is that they both did the same thing, but t… morehe reason why Andy didn't get killed as much as Conrad, was because it you killed him, Clementine would get upset, so thats why people didn't kill him as much as Conrad. No, but it's okay to punch the shit out of man who can't defend himself right?
Because if it was the same situation as Conrad, people would've killed Andy, remember when you have the choice to kill Danny, and it has "Clementine will remember this"? Majority of players aren't going to kill them in front of her because at that stage, she was only 8 years old.
I was surprised, but also chose to shoot him. I would've chose not to shoot him, but there's no way I'd ever make Clem a hostage or bargaining chip. Conrad should've known better than to stoop to the level he did after what happened with Francine. And once he put a gun to Gabe's head, that was enough. His insanity had to stop.
It's obvious why, because they didn't want to do it because of Clementine, people aren't going to agree with me, because they know i'll be right, they want to try and say he wasn't a threat. And you all are missing my point, you kill Conrad because of him holding a gun to a kids head and what he wanted to do with Clementine, yet look waht Andy did, it's the same thing.
So in other words, no he doesn't shoot anyone if you make a choice?
You are assuming that's the reason why people didn't kill Andy while everybody is saying the actual reason was that he wasn't a threat anymo… morere.
Conrad doesn't shoot him if, and only if, you agree with his plan. You don't have a choice between agreeing or not. You get a choice between killing, dying and letting your nephew die or agree with the plan and letting someone who would kill you and your family if you disagree with them in the group with you.
Listen to me again, He gets upset because he thinks agreeing with the plan is wrong towards Clementine, he clearly likes her, so his going to be biased towards her. His 13 years old, his still a young person, i think you're giving Gabe too much credit.
No, I didn't kill Andy because he was no threat anymore, while Conrad was.
His crush doesn't matter because he had a gun to his head. His… more own life was on the line and he didn't flinch. You are not giving Gabe enough credit, he is not an innocent little kid like Clem in season 1.
I let the timer run out, just because I didn't want to shoot Conrad or betray Clem but then Conrad shot Gabe and Javi so I was having none of that. I did not hesitate the second time around, I didn't betray Clem. Conrad was dead on the floor and I don't regret it.
He does do that, I thought that would be the best choice at first and then I died. I still saved him though since it's one of those weird non-canon deaths that are there to force you to do something (for example, Mike letting the rope go at Howe's)
He does do that, I thought that would be the best choice at first and then I died. I still saved him though since it's one of those weird non-canon deaths that are there to force you to do something (for example, Mike letting the rope go at Howe's)
Oh, I did. Makes me think the situation isn't that bad for her, ironically enough. I was mainly responding to the implication that she can understand your reasoning, since she seemed a bit upset when I saw it.
You are missing the point. It doesn't matter why he got mad, what matters is that he had a gun to his head and didnt even flinch. He is not some scaredy cat, he os not an innocent little kid who knows no evil. You compared killing someone in front of Clem in season 1 with like killing someone in front of Gabe, and I am saying that it is not the same case at all.
Gabe can take it. He can be shocked at first, but he can take it because although he isn't as hardened as clem is now, he is no wimp either. And Javi knows that, since he never suggested that Gabe had any issue with seeing him shooting people.
The point here isn't "siding with Clem was right because Gabe said so", the point is "shooting someone in front of S1 Clem isn't the same as shooting someone in front of Gabe".
Listen to me again, He gets upset because he thinks agreeing with the plan is wrong towards Clementine, he clearly likes her, so his going t… moreo be biased towards her. His 13 years old, his still a young person, i think you're giving Gabe too much credit.
No you see, the problem is that you can't accept that maybe you don't know what goes inside other people's heads (and you refuse to admit that the situations you tried to compare are fundamentally different).
Andy wasn't a threat anymore. Conrad still was. These are facts, and facts have weight on people's choices, no matter what you want to think.
It's obvious why, because they didn't want to do it because of Clementine, people aren't going to agree with me, because they know i'll be r… moreight, they want to try and say he wasn't a threat. And you all are missing my point, you kill Conrad because of him holding a gun to a kids head and what he wanted to do with Clementine, yet look waht Andy did, it's the same thing.
So in other words, no he doesn't shoot anyone if you make a choice?
See?! This is the main problem, earlier they gave us some time to know the character that were around us, get to know them, care about them to a certian level. Now they just throw 'em into our faces and are expecting us to feel sympathy... that's a terrible way to write a character. Example
Clementine might've drawn enemies like the New Frontier toward them to begin with,
Funny you mention that because, for a second, that's what I thought she did.
No, i compared Andy and Conrads situations, About Gabe, i said that he was upset calling Javier a coward, because of Clementine being captured. Javier can even say to Gabe that she lied to us and Gabe says he doesn't believe it as in he thinks it's not true. Gabe is biased towards her because he has a crush on her.
I meant him being held at gunpoint, He freaks out which is natural but he panics and keeps asking Javier to shoot Conrad, Clementine is just a troll making it worse by insulting Conrad. 2 different things.
You're lost. i compared the 2 because people said they killed Conrad because A: He grabbed Gabe and B: Because they all wanted Clementine not to be a hostage. And i said, If you're gonna kill Conrad because of that, then all those ones should've killed Andy, seeing how he held a gun to 2 kids heads. But because everyone wanted to be white knights and make Clementine not see it, they chose to not kill the man. Say what you want about "Andy was unarmed" But truth be told, if Clementine wasn't there, a lot of those people would've axed Andy for even touching Clementine.
You are missing the point. It doesn't matter why he got mad, what matters is that he had a gun to his head and didnt even flinch. He is not … moresome scaredy cat, he os not an innocent little kid who knows no evil. You compared killing someone in front of Clem in season 1 with like killing someone in front of Gabe, and I am saying that it is not the same case at all.
Gabe can take it. He can be shocked at first, but he can take it because although he isn't as hardened as clem is now, he is no wimp either. And Javi knows that, since he never suggested that Gabe had any issue with seeing him shooting people.
The point here isn't "siding with Clem was right because Gabe said so", the point is "shooting someone in front of S1 Clem isn't the same as shooting someone in front of Gabe".
Explain to me why i would accept a backstep to cover up the truth? I actually have said there are differences, that it was in different times i.e who had a gun at one point etc. But like i just posted to you on the other thing, Both Conrad and Andy did the same thing, but because killing Andy meant a negative reaction by Clementine, the majority chose to spare the man, yet how many of them bashed Andy to a pulp? there's all these cries about him being unarmed, but i bet you the majority bashed him when he had his arms pinned. Double standards again but im sure there's an excuse for that one.
No you see, the problem is that you can't accept that maybe you don't know what goes inside other people's heads (and you refuse to admit th… moreat the situations you tried to compare are fundamentally different).
Andy wasn't a threat anymore. Conrad still was. These are facts, and facts have weight on people's choices, no matter what you want to think.
Ditto, well not the violent and ruthless part but, I shot because, eventhough I didn't want to do it, my split second reaction was to protect my nephew. I also didn't want to sacrifice Clementine, but that was secondary.
I didn't shoot Conrad because of Clementine but because he threatened Gabe. My Javier is willing to take extreme measures to protect his fam… moreily and is flawed with a violent and ruthless streak when pushed.
For me, it felt in character for my Javier to shoot Conrad.
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Problem is that in this fan base, it's okay for kids to threaten to kill adults, but not the other way around. What people have to remember is that Conrad lost his partner and he had a right to be angry and upset, he took his anger out on Javier because he was upset and angry, he helps Javier up later from the walkers that shows he still has compassion, but Gabe pulling the gun on him was a stupid move like Conrad with Gabe, 2 wrongs don't make a right but on these forums, Gabe is more then welcome to pull a gun on Conrad, why? Because his a kid. Kids are allowed to.
Exactly.
What if, at some point, he decides that killing Gabe (or someone else) is a good way to get to Javier?
That's not a risk I was willing to take.
If you let the time run out he shoots Gabe first and then Javi.
If it gets to the point where that happens, then action needs to be taken, but he hasn't done that yet, because, i don't count the canon deaths, because it's a respawn of the game, like Clementine getting eaten by the walker in long road ahead, If you make your choice, kill conrad or accept his plan, he doesn't kill anyone. Im playing as Javier, not myself, so the fact that Clementine lied and we don't even know what her deal was with TNF, she can't be trusted. I know you all love her, but this isn't Lee or Kenny and this is a big jump in timeline, for all we know at the moment, she could be the same or she could be a bad person. What happens if we find out shes still with them and she betrays us? Will you still be her friend
I didn't do it for Clementine, I did it for my nephew.
If you threaten my family, you're signing your death warrant. It's as simple as that.
I don't need an excuse, I have no regrets over shooting Conrad.
But, y'know, if I had the chance to disarm Conrad, beat him up, then leave him behind I probably would have taken that option.
If I had the chance to kill Andy, his brother and his mother at that dinner table I probably would have taken that option.
If your point is that Conrad wasn't a threat because he doesn't hurt you when you agree with him, I completely disagree. If you think him killing Gabe and Javi isn't in-character because Telltale only put it there to end the timer, I disagree.
So if Clementine threatens to kill Gabe, will you kill her?
I mean as in the Andy/Conrad situation not if you had regrets. Andy and Conrad did the same thing the difference is that it was at different times but they still did the same thing and the reality is that
At this stage, he isn't. if you side with him, he doesn't do anything to prove he will hurt you, and the canon death is a respawn, Vernon can kill Lee, so we must hate Vernon, If you fail and the door in a new day breaks open, Clementine runs away without helping Lee, so we'll hate her on that etc, it's just a canon death, it's not part of the plot. Besides the canon, does Conrad shoot any of them? Yes or No?
I agree entirely.
Telltale kinda dropped the ball with that one. The choice was difficult, but not nearly as difficult as it could've been.
I hope the characters are fleshed out more in the next episodes, like Conrad should've been.
If she had a gun pointed at his head, yeah, I'd kill her. Or at least incapacitate her, if given the option.
It'd be fucking heartbreaking, though, not gonna lie.
Same situation as Conrad, she holds Gabe hostage, you either accept her plan or you shoot her. Gabe must mean a lot to have to kill Clementine.
He's just showed how crazy he is to put a gun at an innocent kid's head. I killed him, he seemed like a nice guy before though.
Family means everything to me. As much as I love Clem, she's not family in this season. Just some kid we met on the road.
I'm more than happy to be her pal, but family always comes first.
I was that five percent...
Not that I was being a dick to Clem, I was trying to protect her more than anything. She just shot a guy, let's fucking lie about it, that'll go over well. (It helps that it's an accident so telling them that she thought the bullets were a dud and was just trying to scare the guy sounded better to me than "self defense".) So telling the truth just felt realistic in that situation and wouldn't get Clem or Javier hurt.
That;s a good way of putting it. It's nice to see someone actually treat her not biased and like every other character.
1 - The player is Javi. The player can shoot people in front of Gabe. Javi doesn't mind shooting people in front of Gabe.
2 - The boy had a gun to his head. His crush on Clementine doesn't matter on this case, his life was in the line and he still didn't care. Shooting someone in front of him is nothing new. Also, Kate is not his mother.
You still didn't get it.
The reasons for shooting are different.
The thing the person is doing when you have to option to shoot them is different.
They are not by any means contradictory choices. They would be if Andy was an immediate threat. It isn't the case.
I think the choice was made easy by the way Conrad has been acting since he lost Francine. Beside being extremely rude and angry, he has also been overly aggressive such as shooting walkers in the tunnels which made a situation much worse. The moment he pointed his gun at Gabe and holding him hostage, he proved to me that he is unpredictable and reckless. I can't trust someone like that, so I killed him.
Which is a shame, because I didn't want to kill anyone from the group.
Hardcore fans of clementine perhaps ?
It depends on how you play the game.
She's family regardless and of course it matters about his crush on her, if you side with Conrad, Gabe gets upset about what Javier has done to her, he likes her, so his going to be biased towards her.
I think you're missing the point, you didnt kill Andy because of how Clementine would react, whatever the timeframe was, they both still did it. So killing Conrad and not Andy is double standards.
It happens so yeah, it is canon for his personality. He showed he had it in him to actually kill Gabe. I already didn't regret it, now that I know he actually shoots I am actually glad I pulled the trigger.
Honestly if you can't tell the difference between killing an armed man who has a gun to someone's head and who will actually kill them and killing an unnarmed, subdued man who can't harm anyone anymore, I don't know what to tell you.
These are just fundamentally different. You don't kill an unnarmed man, it is simply morally wrong. Shooting someone who is threatening your family's life is not. It is the reason why I didn't shoot the truck driver either. He was unnarmed and had surrendered already.
I don't understand how you can even think the situations are comparable, really. Just because you have the opportunity to shoot someone and Clementine is present? Because that doesn't make for a similar situation in the slightest.
I already had no regrets before, now I am 100% sure that had to be done.
I didn't think Conrad would actually kill Gabe, but I shoot him because Javi couldn't know.
Double post.
Triple post. Internet hiccup.
The question is, does he kill them if you make a decision?
I can tell the difference, my point is that they both did the same thing, but the reason why Andy didn't get killed as much as Conrad, was because it you killed him, Clementine would get upset, so thats why people didn't kill him as much as Conrad. No, but it's okay to punch the shit out of man who can't defend himself right?
Because if it was the same situation as Conrad, people would've killed Andy, remember when you have the choice to kill Danny, and it has "Clementine will remember this"? Majority of players aren't going to kill them in front of her because at that stage, she was only 8 years old.
No, I didn't kill Andy because he was no threat anymore, while Conrad was.
His crush doesn't matter because he had a gun to his head. His own life was on the line and he didn't flinch. You are not giving Gabe enough credit, he is not an innocent little kid like Clem in season 1.
You are assuming that's the reason why people didn't kill Andy while everybody is saying the actual reason was that he wasn't a threat anymore.
Conrad doesn't shoot him if, and only if, you agree with his plan. You don't have a choice between agreeing or not. You get a choice between killing, dying and letting your nephew die or agree with the plan and letting someone who would kill you and your family if you disagree with them in the group with you.
I was surprised, but also chose to shoot him. I would've chose not to shoot him, but there's no way I'd ever make Clem a hostage or bargaining chip. Conrad should've known better than to stoop to the level he did after what happened with Francine. And once he put a gun to Gabe's head, that was enough. His insanity had to stop.
It's obvious why, because they didn't want to do it because of Clementine, people aren't going to agree with me, because they know i'll be right, they want to try and say he wasn't a threat. And you all are missing my point, you kill Conrad because of him holding a gun to a kids head and what he wanted to do with Clementine, yet look waht Andy did, it's the same thing.
So in other words, no he doesn't shoot anyone if you make a choice?
Listen to me again, He gets upset because he thinks agreeing with the plan is wrong towards Clementine, he clearly likes her, so his going to be biased towards her. His 13 years old, his still a young person, i think you're giving Gabe too much credit.
I let the timer run out, just because I didn't want to shoot Conrad or betray Clem but then Conrad shot Gabe and Javi so I was having none of that. I did not hesitate the second time around, I didn't betray Clem. Conrad was dead on the floor and I don't regret it.
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At least Mike had the excuse that he heard Troy or someone outside the pin. Conrad was just being an overly exciteable dick at that point.
Oh, I did. Makes me think the situation isn't that bad for her, ironically enough. I was mainly responding to the implication that she can understand your reasoning, since she seemed a bit upset when I saw it.
You are missing the point. It doesn't matter why he got mad, what matters is that he had a gun to his head and didnt even flinch. He is not some scaredy cat, he os not an innocent little kid who knows no evil. You compared killing someone in front of Clem in season 1 with like killing someone in front of Gabe, and I am saying that it is not the same case at all.
Gabe can take it. He can be shocked at first, but he can take it because although he isn't as hardened as clem is now, he is no wimp either. And Javi knows that, since he never suggested that Gabe had any issue with seeing him shooting people.
The point here isn't "siding with Clem was right because Gabe said so", the point is "shooting someone in front of S1 Clem isn't the same as shooting someone in front of Gabe".
No you see, the problem is that you can't accept that maybe you don't know what goes inside other people's heads (and you refuse to admit that the situations you tried to compare are fundamentally different).
Andy wasn't a threat anymore. Conrad still was. These are facts, and facts have weight on people's choices, no matter what you want to think.
See?! This is the main problem, earlier they gave us some time to know the character that were around us, get to know them, care about them to a certian level. Now they just throw 'em into our faces and are expecting us to feel sympathy... that's a terrible way to write a character. Example
Why I shot him?
The man had bullshit written all over him.
But more seriously, he was unstable emotionally and thus bound to become a liability one way or another.
Better to get rid of him before he causes something even worse down the line.
TLDR; I didn't do it for Clem. I did it because I don't want another Kenny/Ben situation and to avoid him screwing us up.
No, i compared Andy and Conrads situations, About Gabe, i said that he was upset calling Javier a coward, because of Clementine being captured. Javier can even say to Gabe that she lied to us and Gabe says he doesn't believe it as in he thinks it's not true. Gabe is biased towards her because he has a crush on her.
I meant him being held at gunpoint, He freaks out which is natural but he panics and keeps asking Javier to shoot Conrad, Clementine is just a troll making it worse by insulting Conrad. 2 different things.
You're lost. i compared the 2 because people said they killed Conrad because A: He grabbed Gabe and B: Because they all wanted Clementine not to be a hostage. And i said, If you're gonna kill Conrad because of that, then all those ones should've killed Andy, seeing how he held a gun to 2 kids heads. But because everyone wanted to be white knights and make Clementine not see it, they chose to not kill the man. Say what you want about "Andy was unarmed" But truth be told, if Clementine wasn't there, a lot of those people would've axed Andy for even touching Clementine.
Explain to me why i would accept a backstep to cover up the truth? I actually have said there are differences, that it was in different times i.e who had a gun at one point etc. But like i just posted to you on the other thing, Both Conrad and Andy did the same thing, but because killing Andy meant a negative reaction by Clementine, the majority chose to spare the man, yet how many of them bashed Andy to a pulp? there's all these cries about him being unarmed, but i bet you the majority bashed him when he had his arms pinned. Double standards again but im sure there's an excuse for that one.
Ditto, well not the violent and ruthless part but, I shot because, eventhough I didn't want to do it, my split second reaction was to protect my nephew. I also didn't want to sacrifice Clementine, but that was secondary.