to drop the entire series because of this one event, what does that say of me? Have I become....fickle?
Well, I wouldn't say it's just because of A New Frontier, at least for me personally it has been allot to do with the lack of fixes, continual illusion of choice and unfair and biased treatment towards characters that have created a build-up for me personally.
To be fair, I was thinking about doing my own Season 3 for fun. But upon learning this bucket of ice water in face discovery, I'm leaning t… moreowards it.
But I want the story I tell to be something more than usual fanfic dribble, I want it to be in the vein of Into The Fray.
I'm thinking about it, but I am still a fan of this game, and to drop the entire series because of this one event, what does that say of me? Have I become....fickle?
Frosty5, BetterToSleep, and others who honor my words, I ask for your input and advice.
I've thought about this but so far, does it kind of feel like S3 is a mish mosh of different ideas without a great deal of coherency mainly with the Clem stuff?
It also seems like Telltale always tends to put their A team on a new project but their C team on a sequel nowadays.
I wouldn't say that, exactly. I mean, look, they dropped the ball to some extent with this season so far, but I know for a fact that they're… more still capable of making some good stuff.
For all intents and purposes, Batman was pretty great. Tales From The Borderlands was great. And even despite some of the mixed reception, the Michonne miniseries wasn't that shabby, either. They clearly have a good team of people working on their games, and they are still capable of pulling off some great stuff.
Unfortunately, S3 seems to have hit a rough patch. Like, compare these opening episodes to the finale of Batman. In terms of production quality, it seems like more effort was put into the Batman finale, as much as I hate to say that. Ties That Bind isn't bad, and the production values in some areas are actually pretty stellar, but in other areas... it feels like they cut corners. For example, all the reused tracks. The first two episodes have about … [view original content]
to drop the entire series because of this one event, what does that say of me? Have I become....fickle?
Well, I wouldn't say it's ju… morest because of A New Frontier, at least for me personally it has been allot to do with the lack of fixes, continual illusion of choice and unfair and biased treatment towards characters that have created a build-up for me personally.
Jane clearly had a gun on her--in fact I'm looking right at it right now! It's on her right side attached to her belt area and she uses that gun when defending the observation deck.
Come to think of it, whenever dark stuff happens in the Walking Dead, when loosing characters or hopeless situations, I try to remember Black Hawk Down and Shawshank Redemption
Of Hope
Of Things Worth Fighting For
&
Of Being A Hero/Survivor
aka Nobody asks, it just sometimes turns out that way.
you hit the nail on the head. while i don't think ANF is that bad, telltale's obvious bias towards characters and illusions of choice are really taking a toll on me.
to drop the entire series because of this one event, what does that say of me? Have I become....fickle?
Well, I wouldn't say it's ju… morest because of A New Frontier, at least for me personally it has been allot to do with the lack of fixes, continual illusion of choice and unfair and biased treatment towards characters that have created a build-up for me personally.
I dunno how fair of a comparison that is, most of the complaints regarding ME3 was that 95% of it was good/great, but that terrible 5% happened to be the incredibly short endgame and abrupt ending 3 colored ending that just left you wondering wtf happened to my team and all of the relays people kind of need to get home? ANF seems to be switching those numbers around so far.
Yeah I liked how Carley/Doug got their own development and lasted 3 episodes, each having a different interacion at the Lilly shooting them … morescene, where Carley gets shot on purpose and Doug non intenionally.
THAT WAS GOOD WRITING.
This is straight up bullshit.
TellTale is going the Mass Effect 3 road, when they were like "Oh cmon its the 3rd game fans will buy it no matter what, dont even work on it, we'll get our money anyway" (see the endings and so many plotholes)
Now TTG is doing the same with Clementine, knowin people would pre-order if she's in the game, even though her story arc ended in Season 2, they just put her in the game while we don't even get to play as her, just because pre-orderers can't get back their money anyway.
EDIT: Even though I hated Jane really much as a person, I still feel bad for her "Omid situation" too. Neither she nor Kenny deserved these shitty deaths. So let's unite and let TTG know that we hate how they deal with determinant characters now.
The deaths that also upset me the most: Carley, Chuck, Omid, the entire Cabin Group.
And now Jane.
Now I wish I had started my own Season 3, but interfering with what's already happened makes me feel like it won't matter, cause I'm altering the story to ease the pain in my heart. I know the characters are not real, but dammit I care.
I really friggin enjoyed the two episodes so much [and I'm going to write a review thingy on those] but one weak point was the flashbacks with those deaths, and Jane's felt shitty as shit. I could completely understand her fears of being pregnant and having another baby on the way. After what happened with Rebecca, the fears of going through the same shit, becoming a burden or the baby dying inside her and killing her from the inside out...yeah, that'd be scary as shit in the ZA. But even with that in mind, I couldn't accept her committing suicide and abandoning Clementine and AJ like that. It didn't feel right to me, not with her character.
That and it fucking kills me she was pregnant with Luke's kid, and both of them would've been fucking parents if they'd survived...god that didn't feel like salt in the wounds, it felt like glass! All those years back when fans kept making jokes about Jane being pregnant after their little woohoo, and then this stupid funny post!
For it all to become canon, and make her bail and abandon Clementine like that despite coming back for her and fighting so strongly to stay with her? How are am I supposed to take this seriously? Even Kenny's death was poor with the car accident and how rushed it was with Jane's flashback. I feel so damn sorry for those fans of those characters! I can't blame them being upset and angry, because I've been there with Season 2's finale and what they did to Luke.
I wish they'd be brutally honest with us, it's better than giving us false hope - I mean, the whole 'create-a-history' thing greatly implied that choices would impact 'A New Frontier' but we haven't seen any actual impact made
you hit the nail on the head. while i don't think ANF is that bad, telltale's obvious bias towards characters and illusions of choice are really taking a toll on me.
Yeah, pretty much. The fact that she gets said innocent killed no matter what, does practically nothing to help it, and gets off scotfree just makes it worse. With that said, not how I would've had her die.
That was my main complaint also with Jane's death. Her baby died with her and that's awful. We don't know if Troy or Luke was the dad, yet we do know that the baby dying was overkill.
Yeah most likely and I hate it. I wished that her story would have ended in S2. There's a saying that the best way to kill off a good series is by releasing countless sequels that try to further explain a character's story.
Michonne mini series gave me hope that TT were moving away from the Clem storyline.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SHARES MY VIEWPOINT ON JANE!! She didn't need to risk an INFANT'S life, just to make someone angry enough that they seem crazy. All that did was make me realise that Jane was the crazy one. Not Kenny.
Yeah, the only reason she's being shoehorned into season 3, where it's obvious Telltale wanted to tell a different story with different characters, is because of the overly obsessive fan base she's stemmed. Her story should've just ended with season 2.
Yeah most likely and I hate it. I wished that her story would have ended in S2. There's a saying that the best way to kill off a good series… more is by releasing countless sequels that try to further explain a character's story.
Michonne mini series gave me hope that TT were moving away from the Clem storyline.
I picked Kenny in my playhtrough, but I can totally feel your pain. Even though I love this old man, I wish he died in Season 1. His detah back then had a meaning. It was a sacrifice.
And this one... It was far away from making me feel. It was sooo cringeworthy! Seriosuly, I was just sitting and watching the flashback like this:
I was disappointed too. It felt like they rushed through that part with her - which they sort of had to, they couldnt dedicate much time to her given that they had just given some mutually exclusive endings to people and couldnt spend too much time on each character (another reason they should not have done that in season 2, they limited themselves and the characters, including and especially Clem).
Anyway, Jane was such an interesting character. One of the themes that is often revisited and explored in TWD universe is the emotional struggle people have and the hard decisions they make. How they have changed in the face of the ZA etc. Some are hardened, some cynical, some find a new soul to care about and see hope. I thought Jane was one of those characters. Deep and wounded yet strong and inspiring. She had given up hope, even let her own sister go cause she wanted to die, she taught Clem a lot, was a mentor of some kind but Clem also brought her back, a bit and if you so will, from her attitude of not giving a shit and not caring etc. It was an interesting dynamic and friendship.
If the writers werent reflexively going the "everyone must die" route, Jane would have made an interesting character in TWD universe. An ally, a companion for both Clem and also Javier and his family. To kill her off in flashbacks in such a lame way just to get her out of the way so they can go back to Javier and his backstory and struggle no one gives a shit about cause it just happened....man.
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Sage advice my friend.
Well, I wouldn't say it's just because of A New Frontier, at least for me personally it has been allot to do with the lack of fixes, continual illusion of choice and unfair and biased treatment towards characters that have created a build-up for me personally.
I've thought about this but so far, does it kind of feel like S3 is a mish mosh of different ideas without a great deal of coherency mainly with the Clem stuff?
It also seems like Telltale always tends to put their A team on a new project but their C team on a sequel nowadays.
Yeah, that kind of sums it up.
I thought her death was too mean spirited, this comes from somebody who hated Jane.
Better.
Jane clearly had a gun on her--in fact I'm looking right at it right now! It's on her right side attached to her belt area and she uses that gun when defending the observation deck.
Come to think of it, whenever dark stuff happens in the Walking Dead, when loosing characters or hopeless situations, I try to remember Black Hawk Down and Shawshank Redemption
Of Hope
Of Things Worth Fighting For
&
Of Being A Hero/Survivor
aka Nobody asks, it just sometimes turns out that way.
you hit the nail on the head. while i don't think ANF is that bad, telltale's obvious bias towards characters and illusions of choice are really taking a toll on me.
Yeah
Nay.
Janefans will never recover
I dunno how fair of a comparison that is, most of the complaints regarding ME3 was that 95% of it was good/great, but that terrible 5% happened to be the incredibly short endgame and abrupt ending 3 colored ending that just left you wondering wtf happened to my team and all of the relays people kind of need to get home? ANF seems to be switching those numbers around so far.
Well, to each their own.
I know I won't.
Jane...
The deaths that also upset me the most: Carley, Chuck, Omid, the entire Cabin Group.
And now Jane.
Now I wish I had started my own Season 3, but interfering with what's already happened makes me feel like it won't matter, cause I'm altering the story to ease the pain in my heart. I know the characters are not real, but dammit I care.
What can I do to hold on to hope? Anyone?
I do. I meant to others "to each their own". Everyone has a different viewpoint. Agree or disagree. That;s how it is.
I really friggin enjoyed the two episodes so much [and I'm going to write a review thingy on those] but one weak point was the flashbacks with those deaths, and Jane's felt shitty as shit. I could completely understand her fears of being pregnant and having another baby on the way. After what happened with Rebecca, the fears of going through the same shit, becoming a burden or the baby dying inside her and killing her from the inside out...yeah, that'd be scary as shit in the ZA. But even with that in mind, I couldn't accept her committing suicide and abandoning Clementine and AJ like that. It didn't feel right to me, not with her character.
That and it fucking kills me she was pregnant with Luke's kid, and both of them would've been fucking parents if they'd survived...god that didn't feel like salt in the wounds, it felt like glass! All those years back when fans kept making jokes about Jane being pregnant after their little woohoo, and then this stupid funny post!
For it all to become canon, and make her bail and abandon Clementine like that despite coming back for her and fighting so strongly to stay with her? How are am I supposed to take this seriously? Even Kenny's death was poor with the car accident and how rushed it was with Jane's flashback. I feel so damn sorry for those fans of those characters! I can't blame them being upset and angry, because I've been there with Season 2's finale and what they did to Luke.
Ok, then.
As a character, yes, she's well developed, but anyone that suggests letting an innocent die gets my hate.
Anybody is more upset about her killing Luke's child that her killing herself?
LUKE'S CHILD I SAID!!!
I wish they'd be brutally honest with us, it's better than giving us false hope - I mean, the whole 'create-a-history' thing greatly implied that choices would impact 'A New Frontier' but we haven't seen any actual impact made![:\](https://community.telltale.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Yeah, pretty much. The fact that she gets said innocent killed no matter what, does practically nothing to help it, and gets off scotfree just makes it worse. With that said, not how I would've had her die.
That'd be some shit, wouldn't it? Carver would have a field day with that.
Inb4 Clementine becomes Negan in Season 5 lol
That was my main complaint also with Jane's death. Her baby died with her and that's awful. We don't know if Troy or Luke was the dad, yet we do know that the baby dying was overkill.
Yeah most likely and I hate it. I wished that her story would have ended in S2. There's a saying that the best way to kill off a good series is by releasing countless sequels that try to further explain a character's story.
Michonne mini series gave me hope that TT were moving away from the Clem storyline.
Jane death was really disappointing and felt really out of character for her.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SHARES MY VIEWPOINT ON JANE!! She didn't need to risk an INFANT'S life, just to make someone angry enough that they seem crazy. All that did was make me realise that Jane was the crazy one. Not Kenny.
Yeah, the only reason she's being shoehorned into season 3, where it's obvious Telltale wanted to tell a different story with different characters, is because of the overly obsessive fan base she's stemmed. Her story should've just ended with season 2.
That awkward moment when Raven and MaconMajr are pulled into our running joke with @LoseMyHome. Shall we explain it to them?
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Sure thing¿
I thought it was fantastic.
Holy shit, Daze! That sounds plausible!
If you believe that, then I suppose you also believe that the fact that he killed a baby makes Kenny's murder of Jane worse as well.
I picked Kenny in my playhtrough, but I can totally feel your pain. Even though I love this old man, I wish he died in Season 1. His detah back then had a meaning. It was a sacrifice.
And this one... It was far away from making me feel. It was sooo cringeworthy! Seriosuly, I was just sitting and watching the flashback like this:
I was disappointed too. It felt like they rushed through that part with her - which they sort of had to, they couldnt dedicate much time to her given that they had just given some mutually exclusive endings to people and couldnt spend too much time on each character (another reason they should not have done that in season 2, they limited themselves and the characters, including and especially Clem).
Anyway, Jane was such an interesting character. One of the themes that is often revisited and explored in TWD universe is the emotional struggle people have and the hard decisions they make. How they have changed in the face of the ZA etc. Some are hardened, some cynical, some find a new soul to care about and see hope. I thought Jane was one of those characters. Deep and wounded yet strong and inspiring. She had given up hope, even let her own sister go cause she wanted to die, she taught Clem a lot, was a mentor of some kind but Clem also brought her back, a bit and if you so will, from her attitude of not giving a shit and not caring etc. It was an interesting dynamic and friendship.
If the writers werent reflexively going the "everyone must die" route, Jane would have made an interesting character in TWD universe. An ally, a companion for both Clem and also Javier and his family. To kill her off in flashbacks in such a lame way just to get her out of the way so they can go back to Javier and his backstory and struggle no one gives a shit about cause it just happened....man.
Sarita: I agree!