I dont think A New Frontier is garbage, its actually pretty decent, and what I have seen of Clem so far has been great, its just not what I wanted from a sequel, I really wanted to continue Clems story in a more meaningful way, instead of following Javiers family, which I only care minorly about.
I wanted a Clem game, focusing on Clems struggle with taking care of a baby as a child in the zombie apocalypse, instead I get minor snippets of that, and major segments of stuff I have a hard time caring about.
Again, not saying its a bad game, just not what I really wanted from it
I feel like it goes beyond wanting better when people are declaring the game garbage and the worst of the series after only two episodes. People havent been happy since season one ended judging from the comments.
Exactly!, when I come to a new game series, and see that there is a new game, and 2 old games, I dont think "Damn, now I have to play these old games before I can play the new one", no I think "This is great! now I can play 3 games in the same story, I dont have to wait for new installments!"
From the artistic point of view, it's always a terrible choice to write a sequel in a way that enables you to skip the previous parts. If an… morey new customer is interested in A New Frontier and TWD in general, then they should simply grab and play the first two seasons (which are truly great story games) in order to fully understand the overall story, characters and their individual bonds.
So far I haven't seen anyone start with A New Frontier, every YouTuber / Streamer played the first two games, every friend I have that plays this series have started with Season 1, even though they didn't play it when it first came out.
I have no idea why they are trying so hard, there will hardly be any new players, also a lot of people that didn't know the games before found out about A New Frontier weeks before it's release and they went ahead and played Season 1 and 2 before the release of ANF, I think that's what everybody has to do if they are new to the series.
I'm reserving actual judgment for season 3 until the season is finished, but I really don't understand the "appealing to newcomers" thing ei… morether.
Take the show for example. There's 7 seasons (I think) of the show out now. Newcomers are inevitable every year, but if I (someone who doesn't watch the show, which would make me a newcomer in this instance) were to get interested in the show, I wouldn't just randomly start with season 4. I'd start at the beginning and work my way up to the current season. I'd imagine the same would ring true to newcomers or the game.
That being said, I like that they're at least trying to connect the story by still having Clementine around rather than starting completely fresh.
I actually think season 3 would be better received in Clementine wasn't in it at all.
Part of the problem as I see it is people upset at Clem taking a step back into the sidekick role she occupied in season 1, rather than continuing on as the protagonist as she was in season 2.
That way Telltale would have had to option to tantalise players with a potential Clementine lead season to tell her story, rather than having her story feel forced into Javier's.
I'm reserving actual judgment for season 3 until the season is finished, but I really don't understand the "appealing to newcomers" thing ei… morether.
Take the show for example. There's 7 seasons (I think) of the show out now. Newcomers are inevitable every year, but if I (someone who doesn't watch the show, which would make me a newcomer in this instance) were to get interested in the show, I wouldn't just randomly start with season 4. I'd start at the beginning and work my way up to the current season. I'd imagine the same would ring true to newcomers or the game.
That being said, I like that they're at least trying to connect the story by still having Clementine around rather than starting completely fresh.
I'd thought I heard Michonnes sales did poorly? Honestly, I think the reception would have been better because there would have been less people playing it, Clem seems to be a huge draw, I think that's why the reveal had such emphasis on her being included while it was in the final month this became presented as predominantly about Javier.
I absolutely agree I would have preferred Clem and Javier get their own stories, it'd be fairer to his story and its character, but it'd be disappointing after 2 years and a TWD miniseries to still be waiting for Clems season. I know they completely got me by making me think Clem would be a major part early on, I'd have skipped this like Michonne otherwise.
I actually think season 3 would be better received in Clementine wasn't in it at all.
Part of the problem as I see it is people upset at … moreClem taking a step back into the sidekick role she occupied in season 1, rather than continuing on as the protagonist as she was in season 2.
That way Telltale would have had to option to tantalise players with a potential Clementine lead season to tell her story, rather than having her story feel forced into Javier's.
I made perfect sense with what i said quote
"Sometimes i check peoples profiles out just something i do, and i haven't seen anyone who has joined in 2012 when season 1 was out, i 've seen only a a few in 2013 but that's very slim maybe 1 or 2 besides the moderators of course. It's mostly people who have joined 2014 to present who are still on here. Im sure they probably have played ANF, just don't post on here anymore i guess."
My point was that people who had JOINED in 2012 when season 1 came out, i haven't seen any on here who post actively anymore, Lee and Car were saying that just because someone joined later on, doesn't mean they didn't play the game when it first came out.
It was made perfect sense, they just took it the wrong way. And how is a innocent no insulting comment, turning into a shitfest? And contradicting yourself by saying i was rude, when you're being rude to me is always a good way to support your comment. Thanks Sound (- :
Because Telltale want to erase all existance of S1 and 2. They don't give a shit about those sets of fans. This new game is nothing more than a soft reboot. There is nothing remotely good about this company anymore and the more shit they get the better to be honest
Yeah its long past time they were called out on all of this. They even went onto to reddit and lied about the 42 starting points and then charged us for 2 one-hour episodes. The blatant lying and manipulating is disrespectful at best. I've been a loyal consumer for years, I buy EVERY single series when the first episode comes out, I even watched the whole VGA just to see the s3 sneak peek. But now I'm ready to say "fuck you guys too" because they're just insulting our intelligence and passion for the previous seasons at this point.
Because Telltale want to erase all existance of S1 and 2. They don't give a shit about those sets of fans. This new game is nothing more tha… moren a soft reboot. There is nothing remotely good about this company anymore and the more shit they get the better to be honest
I actually think season 3 would be better received in Clementine wasn't in it at all.
Part of the problem as I see it is people upset at … moreClem taking a step back into the sidekick role she occupied in season 1, rather than continuing on as the protagonist as she was in season 2.
That way Telltale would have had to option to tantalise players with a potential Clementine lead season to tell her story, rather than having her story feel forced into Javier's.
Yeah its long past time they were called out on all of this. They even went onto to reddit and lied about the 42 starting points and then c… moreharged us for 2 one-hour episodes. The blatant lying and manipulating is disrespectful at best. I've been a loyal consumer for years, I buy EVERY single series when the first episode comes out, I even watched the whole VGA just to see the s3 sneak peek. But now I'm ready to say "fuck you guys too" because they're just insulting our intelligence and passion for the previous seasons at this point.
Well, sometimes they go in a different direction that what people expect. You can go with it or not. I was pretty much open for anything personally, as long as it tells a good story.
I dont think A New Frontier is garbage, its actually pretty decent, and what I have seen of Clem so far has been great, its just not what I … morewanted from a sequel, I really wanted to continue Clems story in a more meaningful way, instead of following Javiers family, which I only care minorly about.
I wanted a Clem game, focusing on Clems struggle with taking care of a baby as a child in the zombie apocalypse, instead I get minor snippets of that, and major segments of stuff I have a hard time caring about.
Again, not saying its a bad game, just not what I really wanted from it
Well, therein lies the problem. They can't please everyone. Some people want only Clementine, some people don't. No matter what they do, someone hates it.
Im with you dude! I haven't really enjoyed any telltale game after season 1 in truth. All have had decent stories but all the elements that TWD Season 1 had just vanished from the other games and they have just got worse and worse. I won't be buying anymore games from them
Yeah its long past time they were called out on all of this. They even went onto to reddit and lied about the 42 starting points and then c… moreharged us for 2 one-hour episodes. The blatant lying and manipulating is disrespectful at best. I've been a loyal consumer for years, I buy EVERY single series when the first episode comes out, I even watched the whole VGA just to see the s3 sneak peek. But now I'm ready to say "fuck you guys too" because they're just insulting our intelligence and passion for the previous seasons at this point.
Same. Pretty sure they've got enough of a feel for their fan base to know leaving Clem and her baggage behind also means losing a fair amount of players.
Well, therein lies the problem. They can't please everyone. Some people want only Clementine, some people don't. No matter what they do, someone hates it.
Why is TellTale trying so hard to appeal to newcomers with Season 3?
But serious now that is something I hate about some games. I can understand for a long running series but Season 2 takes like 6 hours and isn't even that old!
You don't start with Breaking Bad season 3 and not one
Why is TellTale trying so hard to appeal to newcomers with Season 3?
But serious now that is something I hate about some games. … moreI can understand for a long running series but Season 2 takes like 6 hours and isn't even that old!
You don't start with Breaking Bad season 3 and not one
Well, sometimes they go in a different direction that what people expect. You can go with it or not. I was pretty much open for anything personally, as long as it tells a good story.
From the artistic point of view, it's always a terrible choice to write a sequel in a way that enables you to skip the previous parts. If an… morey new customer is interested in A New Frontier and TWD in general, then they should simply grab and play the first two seasons (which are truly great story games) in order to fully understand the overall story, characters and their individual bonds.
Because Telltale want to erase all existance of S1 and 2. They don't give a shit about those sets of fans. This new game is nothing more tha… moren a soft reboot. There is nothing remotely good about this company anymore and the more shit they get the better to be honest
I made perfect sense with what i said quote
"Sometimes i check peoples profiles out just something i do, and i haven't seen anyone who has … morejoined in 2012 when season 1 was out, i 've seen only a a few in 2013 but that's very slim maybe 1 or 2 besides the moderators of course. It's mostly people who have joined 2014 to present who are still on here. Im sure they probably have played ANF, just don't post on here anymore i guess."
My point was that people who had JOINED in 2012 when season 1 came out, i haven't seen any on here who post actively anymore, Lee and Car were saying that just because someone joined later on, doesn't mean they didn't play the game when it first came out.
It was made perfect sense, they just took it the wrong way. And how is a innocent no insulting comment, turning into a shitfest? And contradicting yourself by saying i was rude, when you're being rude to me is always a good way to support your comment. Thanks Sound (- :
Woah, guess I'm a endangered unicorn on the forum. I've been playing and posting on the forum since S1 E3.
An important thing to note about the registration dates is that during September-ish 2012 (so during the S1 E4 -> E5 wait), there was a forum revamp to the current layout which required everyone to re-register a Telltale account. IIRC, I signed up for the new account the same day it was officially released to the public (people with old forum accounts had access to temporary beta accounts). A lot of oldies will remember the pre-revamp forum, which had a blue theme and looked like it fell out of 1995.
I assume a lot of the non-posting members didn't bother/realise they needed to re-register when forum activity kicked back up at E5 release.
Sometimes i check peoples profiles out just something i do, and i haven't seen anyone who has joined in 2012 when season 1 was out, i 've se… moreen only a a few in 2013 but that's very slim maybe 1 or 2 besides the moderators of course. It's mostly people who have joined 2014 to present who are still on here. Im sure they probably have played ANF, just don't post on here anymore i guess.
One thing i've noticed about these forums is you do get the standard trolls, but everyone on here can have conversations with each other in a respectful manner, after all, these are forums for us to connect with people who enjoy the same game and we can chat about the games and even general talk. It's good to share stuff you have in common with others.
I honestly liked the first episodes of ANF. But I would sure would've liked it if it focused more on Clem or Kenny. Newcomers, if they wanna join in the middle of the walking dead series, they could go play the first two seasons or at least watch someone play it. Ain't no need to go piss off the players who've been around just so they can make something new for someone who wont go play it or watch it.
Why is TellTale trying so hard to appeal to newcomers with Season 3?
But serious now that is something I hate about some games. … moreI can understand for a long running series but Season 2 takes like 6 hours and isn't even that old!
You don't start with Breaking Bad season 3 and not one
That's true with the new layout but there is still a lot of people who were joined up around 2012 that had posted after the new layout but don't post anymore. I mean it's been almost 5 years since season 1 first came out so maybe people simply moved on with their lives, i wonder in 5 years from now, how many people who are actively on here now, will be around.
Woah, guess I'm a endangered unicorn on the forum. I've been playing and posting on the forum since S1 E3.
An important thing to note abo… moreut the registration dates is that during September-ish 2012 (so during the S1 E4 -> E5 wait), there was a forum revamp to the current layout which required everyone to re-register a Telltale account. IIRC, I signed up for the new account the same day it was officially released to the public (people with old forum accounts had access to temporary beta accounts). A lot of oldies will remember the pre-revamp forum, which had a blue theme and looked like it fell out of 1995.
I assume a lot of the non-posting members didn't bother/realise they needed to re-register when forum activity kicked back up at E5 release.
A lot of people seem to forget this, but prior to A New Frontier's release a large number of people didn't want to play as Clementine anymore. People are saying Telltale doesn't listen to their fans, but it seems pretty clear to me that their decision to introduce Javier was based on fan feedback.
But is that a lot of people also the fabled vocal minority who also don't like this season I keep hearing about? I don't remember hearing anything like that, and I remember most of the reviews praising her throughout S2. If I'm being honest, just from personal experience I know a few people who've played the games outside of the internets. One of them bought S3 so far, but said he hasn't made it past the first 10 minutes yet. The rest cited Javier as why they've kinda lost interest.
A lot of people seem to forget this, but prior to A New Frontier's release a large number of people didn't want to play as Clementine anymor… moree. People are saying Telltale doesn't listen to their fans, but it seems pretty clear to me that their decision to introduce Javier was based on fan feedback.
But is that a lot of people also the fabled vocal minority who also don't like this season I keep hearing about? I don't remember hearing an… moreything like that, and I remember most of the reviews praising her throughout S2. If I'm being honest, just from personal experience I know a few people who've played the games outside of the internets. One of them bought S3 so far, but said he hasn't made it past the first 10 minutes yet. The rest cited Javier as why they've kinda lost interest.
Well there's the flashbacks which we haven't even seen all of yet. Plus Clementine is still a major character. (despite others claiming that she's a side character.) It seems like Telltale made the best compromise they could to me.
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I dont think A New Frontier is garbage, its actually pretty decent, and what I have seen of Clem so far has been great, its just not what I wanted from a sequel, I really wanted to continue Clems story in a more meaningful way, instead of following Javiers family, which I only care minorly about.
I wanted a Clem game, focusing on Clems struggle with taking care of a baby as a child in the zombie apocalypse, instead I get minor snippets of that, and major segments of stuff I have a hard time caring about.
Again, not saying its a bad game, just not what I really wanted from it
Exactly!, when I come to a new game series, and see that there is a new game, and 2 old games, I dont think "Damn, now I have to play these old games before I can play the new one", no I think "This is great! now I can play 3 games in the same story, I dont have to wait for new installments!"
So far I haven't seen anyone start with A New Frontier, every YouTuber / Streamer played the first two games, every friend I have that plays this series have started with Season 1, even though they didn't play it when it first came out.
I have no idea why they are trying so hard, there will hardly be any new players, also a lot of people that didn't know the games before found out about A New Frontier weeks before it's release and they went ahead and played Season 1 and 2 before the release of ANF, I think that's what everybody has to do if they are new to the series.
You made absolutely no sense with your statement right then and you were rude to Lee also, 0 stars for you.
I'm guessing because of money. TT is screwing around with the fans more than a wildebeest during mating season.
Except Clementine is starting fresh as there's no impact from our previous choices and she acts the same in every scenario.
I actually think season 3 would be better received in Clementine wasn't in it at all.
Part of the problem as I see it is people upset at Clem taking a step back into the sidekick role she occupied in season 1, rather than continuing on as the protagonist as she was in season 2.
That way Telltale would have had to option to tantalise players with a potential Clementine lead season to tell her story, rather than having her story feel forced into Javier's.
I'd thought I heard Michonnes sales did poorly? Honestly, I think the reception would have been better because there would have been less people playing it, Clem seems to be a huge draw, I think that's why the reveal had such emphasis on her being included while it was in the final month this became presented as predominantly about Javier.
I absolutely agree I would have preferred Clem and Javier get their own stories, it'd be fairer to his story and its character, but it'd be disappointing after 2 years and a TWD miniseries to still be waiting for Clems season. I know they completely got me by making me think Clem would be a major part early on, I'd have skipped this like Michonne otherwise.
I made perfect sense with what i said quote
"Sometimes i check peoples profiles out just something i do, and i haven't seen anyone who has joined in 2012 when season 1 was out, i 've seen only a a few in 2013 but that's very slim maybe 1 or 2 besides the moderators of course. It's mostly people who have joined 2014 to present who are still on here. Im sure they probably have played ANF, just don't post on here anymore i guess."
My point was that people who had JOINED in 2012 when season 1 came out, i haven't seen any on here who post actively anymore, Lee and Car were saying that just because someone joined later on, doesn't mean they didn't play the game when it first came out.
It was made perfect sense, they just took it the wrong way. And how is a innocent no insulting comment, turning into a shitfest? And contradicting yourself by saying i was rude, when you're being rude to me is always a good way to support your comment. Thanks Sound (- :
But Season Two heavily relying on Season One is a good thing. Don't know why anyone would want to change that.
No.
I joined telltale in like 2014, but I had kind of interest into their games before that.
Because Telltale want to erase all existance of S1 and 2. They don't give a shit about those sets of fans. This new game is nothing more than a soft reboot. There is nothing remotely good about this company anymore and the more shit they get the better to be honest
Yeah its long past time they were called out on all of this. They even went onto to reddit and lied about the 42 starting points and then charged us for 2 one-hour episodes. The blatant lying and manipulating is disrespectful at best. I've been a loyal consumer for years, I buy EVERY single series when the first episode comes out, I even watched the whole VGA just to see the s3 sneak peek. But now I'm ready to say "fuck you guys too" because they're just insulting our intelligence and passion for the previous seasons at this point.
Perhaps that would have been better to start completely fresh and leave Clem and all her baggage out of it.
Well, I barely have an interest in it if Clem isnt in it, I play for her story, which I know alot of others do also
definitely seems like a weird choice to market your 3rd game in a popular series as "this game is for the new fans" really? what about your old fans?
Well, sometimes they go in a different direction that what people expect. You can go with it or not. I was pretty much open for anything personally, as long as it tells a good story.
Well, therein lies the problem. They can't please everyone. Some people want only Clementine, some people don't. No matter what they do, someone hates it.
Im with you dude! I haven't really enjoyed any telltale game after season 1 in truth. All have had decent stories but all the elements that TWD Season 1 had just vanished from the other games and they have just got worse and worse. I won't be buying anymore games from them
Same. Pretty sure they've got enough of a feel for their fan base to know leaving Clem and her baggage behind also means losing a fair amount of players.
But from the stats on the choices, and the general consensus I have seen around, it seems like a pretty big chunk of people wants more Clem
But serious now that is something I hate about some games. I can understand for a long running series but Season 2 takes like 6 hours and isn't even that old!
You don't start with Breaking Bad season 3 and not one
I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not but it wasn't really that great and the season suffered for it imo
I loved Ducktales when i was a kid!
You're pretty much correct, A New Frontier isn't perfect, but calling it garbage and half assed is ridiculous.
You correct, except for the fact that season 2 wasn't great at all.
I think you guys are overreacting.![:\](https://community.telltale.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Im still here. Not like thas sayin much.
Woah, guess I'm a endangered unicorn on the forum. I've been playing and posting on the forum since S1 E3.
An important thing to note about the registration dates is that during September-ish 2012 (so during the S1 E4 -> E5 wait), there was a forum revamp to the current layout which required everyone to re-register a Telltale account. IIRC, I signed up for the new account the same day it was officially released to the public (people with old forum accounts had access to temporary beta accounts). A lot of oldies will remember the pre-revamp forum, which had a blue theme and looked like it fell out of 1995.
I assume a lot of the non-posting members didn't bother/realise they needed to re-register when forum activity kicked back up at E5 release.
I honestly liked the first episodes of ANF. But I would sure would've liked it if it focused more on Clem or Kenny. Newcomers, if they wanna join in the middle of the walking dead series, they could go play the first two seasons or at least watch someone play it. Ain't no need to go piss off the players who've been around just so they can make something new for someone who wont go play it or watch it.
There are lots of shows and games that I started midway through, then if I was really invested, backtracked to earlier seasons. It can be done.
There we agree. Did you hear about the reboot?
That's true with the new layout but there is still a lot of people who were joined up around 2012 that had posted after the new layout but don't post anymore. I mean it's been almost 5 years since season 1 first came out so maybe people simply moved on with their lives, i wonder in 5 years from now, how many people who are actively on here now, will be around.
A lot of people seem to forget this, but prior to A New Frontier's release a large number of people didn't want to play as Clementine anymore. People are saying Telltale doesn't listen to their fans, but it seems pretty clear to me that their decision to introduce Javier was based on fan feedback.
They're not trying at all.
Why are people saying that like it's a big affront that they are actually trying to make money? They have to pay their talent somehow.
But is that a lot of people also the fabled vocal minority who also don't like this season I keep hearing about? I don't remember hearing anything like that, and I remember most of the reviews praising her throughout S2. If I'm being honest, just from personal experience I know a few people who've played the games outside of the internets. One of them bought S3 so far, but said he hasn't made it past the first 10 minutes yet. The rest cited Javier as why they've kinda lost interest.
It may have been more 50-50, but there were a good amount of people that felt Clementine just doesn't work as a protagonist.
Which is why there should have been 50-50 playable moments between Clementine and Javier.
Well there's the flashbacks which we haven't even seen all of yet. Plus Clementine is still a major character. (despite others claiming that she's a side character.) It seems like Telltale made the best compromise they could to me.