I agree with most of the criticisms but I hope if Telltale listens, Javi doesn't suffer
I think the concept of Javi as a character is great and I'm so glad he was introduced but I also want Telltale to listen to the criticisms people are making. That being said, I don't want his character to suffer as a result of wanting more Clementine. If they can manage to even out their screentime and gameplay, then that should be good enough. I don't want Telltale to be misconceived that Javi is the problem. It just worries me that because tempers are so heated that they'll get rid of him quickly.
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Me too. I really like Javier and want to see him developed further along with Kate & Gabe. I actually really like Tripp as well.
I think these characters could all get developed well if the episodes are longer and that's why I REALLY hope none of them suffer as a result.
Well the only criticism I (slightly) agree with is the length. It's always nice to have long episodes as long as it isn't dragged out.
I don't mind him. He's not why I got the game, but I wouldn't mind continuing to follow his story also, I just want a better balance in ANF.
Javier is one of the best parts about season 3.
My main problem with Clem is, she is kinda just there, and nothing else. She just isn't important to the story, she just appears so people buy it because it has Clem. That plus she doesn't even feel like the Clem I know from Season 1 and 2.
Yeah exactly. If they can balance it more then I would think everyone would be happy. I think Javi is a great addition and both of them as playable protagonists but balanced could work very effectively like in Tales from the Borderlands.
RIP Javier Garcia. 2016-2017
I'd probably be done with The Walking Dead if they kill Javi off just so Clementine can get a ton of focus again. That ruins the point of this new perspective and she had a whole season as the sole protagonist. If they can even it out better, people should be happy with that.
I personally would be happy with an even screentime and I'm a person who wants more Clem. However right now 5-10 minutes in 2 hours is just ... bad.
They won't kill him off at least until episode 5 so he's not going anywhere anytime soon considering this season was made for him like S2 was made for Clementine. The worse thing they could do is just significantly reduce his playability time and give Clementine the spotlight.
You're right. The flashback sequences should've been a proper section. Not just a few minutes. We should've been able to walk around a camp site with Kenny or walk around Howes with Jane or walk around Wellington for a bit. And yes she should be playable present day if that works for the story.
I'm enjoying Javi's story, but I would rather have the story be more about Clementine, but we're just seeing the story from Javi's perspective.
Well, we can always have episodes like LONG ROAD AHEAD with that fun train puzzle.
Yay... no, just no.
Wait, can we get that, without the train puzzle but leaving the ability to walk around talking to everyone? Instead of the super epic pewpewpressA QTE fights? Cause, I'm totally onboard with that!
... and this doesn't work!
I have different priorities than Javier. I want Clem to be safe because I've known her - so i'll side with her no matter what. Javier wants his family safe and doesn't care about this random 13 year old girl. I can't put myself in Javier's shoes either - I'm too invested in Clem and her story.
It's not really true to say that Javier doesn't care about Clementine. Javier considers Clementine to be a friend (determinant)
wtf are talking about? How is she NOT important to the story? She helps javi locate his family, she's brings him to Prescott which he probably wouldnt have found at all without her therefore not meeting elanor who she helps kate, she can help you fight off tnf, she let's everyone know about richnomd( which she probably has some reason to go there since she was so shocked when tnf took over), she can be used as a hostage to get into tnf. Also you have to expect her change after all that has happend to her. She's not exactly a different person either. There are plenty of scenes in the game where it shows she still cares about people and their feelings. She's just a but hardened is all.
Javier deserves a better story.
It's pretty obvious that even if you choose Javier to trust or not trust Clem, in the end the story will always pave out the same way regardless of choice
You didn't like the train puzzle then?
For me I didn't buy s3 at all i am watching it first to see if its good but after I watch it I am so gald i didn't buy it cus its ...
Ahh its better to not talk about it
I don't remember the last time Telltale listened to fans' requests or recommendations.
... and this doesn't work!
absolutely
It wasn't a bad puzzle, but it dragged on for too long. If I'm honest I wasn't really into most of the season 1 puzzles, it felt like a chore I had to do before playing the actual game.
The fans wanted more Loader Bot
There was more Loader Bot
And I was eternally grateful.
There was that romantic dialogue with Carley in episode 3 of the Walking Dead. I think that was because a large number of fans were shipping it. Prior to episode 3 there was no dialogue that hinted towards Carley or Lee having romantic feelings for each other.
I understand. I on the other hand love them. Helps keep the brain active lol. Plus puzzles make the games last longer which is always good. Broken Sword and monkey island games for example are brilliant for puzzles
I would literally sacrifice Javi and his entire family for Clementine so I can't fully get behind this
I enjoyed Ties That Bind Part One and Two, but I'm agree on some things that all of you are saying.
The episodes are too short, some characters need more development, and we NEED to play more like Clementine.
Yeah but, the point is, Clem in ANF could just be replaced with another character. The most important thing she's done in the story is bring Javi to Prescott, something any other character could have done. Same with killing Eli, a new character could have done the same. Other than that she has done 0 to impact the story, she's just tagged along. Not to mention they have just been doing choices involving Clem, like "Tell the truth or go with your lie" its pretty obvious no one is going to tell the truth because we already know about Clem and dont want to betray her, which is why its pretty annoying that Clem is there for no real reason and then it gets to a choice that involves siding with her or not, and 90% does because we already know who Clem is. If Clem was a different character than all those choices that involved Clem would be way more split than in the 90%
I'll name my first-born Loader Bot. Because it'd be a miracle.
I have the opposite opinion, in that, I am probably done with The Walking Dead if they keep switching protagonists like this, and I am really not a fan of Javier, he feels super bland.
The Walking Dead from season 1, was always a story about Clementine, season 1 was the story of her getting thrown into the apocalypse, and us protecting her as Lee, season 2 she has matured alot, and goes off on her own (sort of, but not really), and then they end the season with this huge clash, which is all about AJ, and the ending and where AJ ends up and Clem, is the whole focus.
Then we get A New Frontier, all the plot points in season 2 is pretty much thrown out the window, and only vaguely mentioned, Javiers family have somehow survived for 4 years, despite being terrible at pretty much everything they do, and as soon as we get into the game, they kill off a character almost instantly.
I get what youre saying with ruining the new perspective, but they shouldnt have made it a new perspective in the first place, at least not when its a mainline game, it would have been much better off as a sidestory without Clem, and then a proper sequel to season 2, because at this point, it counts as season 3, but the only thing even remotely tying it to season 2 is like 4 minutes of flashback with Clem and AJ, which I might add, was the most enjoyable part of the game for me. I just cant bring myself to really care about Javier or his family, because theyre really bad at surviving, despite surviving for 4 years, and I didnt buy this game to learn about Javiers dating life with his brothers wife, or his struggles with his brothers whiny son, I bought it to continue Clems story, and it hasnt really done that almost at all so far
I don't think that a lof of people are against Javi as PC. I think that most people expected some kind of 50/50 or at least 30/70 split between them. Instead, we got 3/97 between Clem and Javi which obviously is disappointing for a lot of people.
Well with that logic any one could be replaced with another character. Look, TWD has always been about clem, telltale themselves have said this before(which is why i dont understand why they're trying so hard with javi) . Javi is only in this game in the first place to appeal to new players and that's a fact.
yea but they weren't on their twd high horse where everything they do is right and just
Why do you still have a Javi profile pic if u despise him? It seems odd.
I like Javi. He is already better than emotionless Clem in season 2.
It's enjoyable being nice to Clem with him. Otherwise, he's a run of the mill character.