I'm saying that most of the people that purchase this series, do it for Clementine, and that they probably disagree with your "bad writing" notion, including me. Have fun with your username though.
She definitely looks mixed. She was a bit light in the first season, but she physically had some characteristics I thought were the result of multiple ethnicities.
Just because people like her doesn't make her well written. People like Suicide Squad but that film isn't well written at all, in fact it could be written by a 3 year old.
I'm saying that most of the people that purchase this series, do it for Clementine, and that they probably disagree with your "bad writing" notion, including me. Have fun with your username though.
She is the face of the series and the reason why most of this community plays these games.
That's not an argument as to how she's a well written character, you do realize that, right?
Just because people like her doesn't make her well written. People like Suicide Squad but that film isn't well written at all, in fact it could be written by a 3 year old.
That's not an argument as to how she's a well written character, you do realize that, right?
It's an argument way better than you saying "I don't like her, she's a bad written character".
Me saying I don't like her and that she's a badly written character isn't a fucking argument. It's a statement about how I feel, If I were to explain why I thought she was poorly written, it'd be an argument.
That's not an argument as to how she's a well written character, you do realize that, right?
It's an argument way better than you saying "I don't like her, she's a bad written character".
Me saying I don't like her and that she's a badly written character isn't a fucking argument. It's a statement about how I feel, If I were to explain why I thought she was poorly written, it'd be an argument.
I'll explain if you can't think of the implication yourself:
You said that people like Clementine but was poorly written, but if her writing was so appalling, why would most of this community love her character so much? It's contradicting, most of the reason we love Clem is because of her story, personality, etc, and they all correlate to her writing. So obviously her writing isn't as bad as you depict it to be if most of this series' fan base revolves around her, if you're worried about her writing, then honestly you shouldn't be playing this game because there's much worse examples of writing in this game.
Yep, Lee essentially passed his character onto Clementine which made us care for her even more, I still think she's well-written though, or else I would judge season 2 and her season 3 character a lot. It seems most people aren't complaining about Clementine though, more of the plot and story, and even not playing Clem, so I still stand by saying that she's not poorly written.
I think the reason why some of us like having Clementine as a character is not for the simple fact she is well written, rather it's because we can relate to her and the situations she has faced and can sympathize.
Just because people like her doesn't make her well written. People like Suicide Squad but that film isn't well written at all, in fact it could be written by a 3 year old.
Whether a character is the protagonist of a narrative does not determine in any way whether they're well-written. The fact that a character is the protagonist of a narrative is not an argument in favor of the case that they are a well-written character. It doesn't need to go any further.
No, it is not.
Neither are valid arguments.
I'm sure just because you stated "no", then it's true, right? If you're going to say they're invalid, add some to the discussion next time.
Me saying I don't like her and that she's a badly written character isn't a fucking argument. It's a statement about how I feel, If I were to explain why I thought she was poorly written, it'd be an argument.
Whether a character is the protagonist of a narrative does not determine in any way whether they're well-written. The fact that a character is the protagonist of a narrative is not an argument in favor of the case that they are a well-written character. It doesn't need to go any further.
I'm talking about if she was such a poorly written character, why was virtually nobody complaining about her writing since season 1, 2, and 3? Clem has obviously been a fan favorite and if her writing was appalling, people wouldn't want to as her, Melissa even said they better make Javier a good character or else they'll hate it, which they did, I like Javier's personality being humorous and charismatic, I can't say the same for his family though as I don't care about them which is something that irks me in ANF.
Whether a character is the protagonist of a narrative does not determine in any way whether they're well-written. The fact that a character … moreis the protagonist of a narrative is not an argument in favor of the case that they are a well-written character. It doesn't need to go any further.
Boom! I added something to the discussion.
I'm talking about if she was such a poorly written character, why was virtually nobody complaining about her writing since season 1, 2, and 3? Clem has obviously been a fan favorite and if her writing was appalling, people wouldn't want to as her, Melissa even said they better make Javier a good character or else they'll hate it, which they did, I like Javier's personality being humorous and charismatic, I can't say the same for his family though as I don't care about them which is something that irks me in ANF.
You might be surprised to learn that quite a few people in the forum—myself included—believe that she was a badly-written character in previous seasons. Season Two in particular.
That aside, positive fan reception isn't always paired up with good character writing. It may happen that a character is appealing to a larger audience while still remaining underdeveloped or inconsistent. That's where I'm getting at. There's a tendency that shows that the two aspects correlate, but we cannot rely on it because it varies from case to case.
Good, that's what forums are about primarily.
I know that full well, Spodes—that is the one reason why I joined the forum in the first place! Unfortunately, everybody is so busy pointing out Telltale's flaws that nobody seems to have time to have a conversation about the game itself.
Whether a character is the protagonist of a narrative does not determine in any way whether they're well-written. The fact that a character … moreis the protagonist of a narrative is not an argument in favor of the case that they are a well-written character. It doesn't need to go any further.
I'm talking about if she was such a poorly written character, why was virtually nobody complaining about her writing since season 1, 2, and 3? Clem has obviously been a fan favorite and if her writing was appalling, people wouldn't want to as her, Melissa even said they better make Javier a good character or else they'll hate it, which they did, I like Javier's personality being humorous and charismatic, I can't say the same for his family though as I don't care about them which is something that irks me in ANF.
Boom! I added something to the discussion.
Good, that's what forums are about primarily.
Well I didn't steal that duffel bag if that's what you're asking.
Isn't this some Michonne reference (that you won't let go)? I only watched in on YouTube once though, never bothered playing it.
I also asked you "why?" she is a badly written character to you.
Her character arch is better than most characters in gaming. A character that has spent 4-5 years growing up in a zombie apocalypse with people that come and go, hardening with each death.
Also, knowing a character from 8 years old to 13, each game growing up more and more, you see her change constantly while retaining some of her innocence yet cold and hardened by the loss of everyone around her and being alone for a majority of the time.
Me saying I don't like her and that she's a badly written character isn't a fucking argument. It's a statement about how I feel, If I were to explain why I thought she was poorly written, it'd be an argument.
You might be surprised to learn that quite a few people in the forum—myself included—believe that she was a badly-written character in previous seasons. Season Two in particular.
I was aware the hate for season 2, but I think people actually really did like that season and some people were going over the top hate with that season just like season 3 has here and there, I mostly recall people hating playing an 11 year old girl but I enjoyed that dynamic as it made walkers more of a threat plus she found her strength through those experiences.
That aside, positive fan reception isn't always paired up with good character writing. It may happen that a character is appealing to a larger audience while still remaining underdeveloped or inconsistent. That's where I'm getting at. There's a tendency that shows that the two aspects correlate, but we cannot rely on it because it varies from case to case.
I don't know, you can't expect to stay the same character as she was in season 1, she's not inconsistent from what I've seen as she still shows her morals, empathy, and belief in humanity here and there, but being pragmatic when it's necessary as she learned not everything can be helped like the extremely innocent girl she was in season 1, Lee would be proud of Clem.
I know that full well, Spodes—that is the one reason why I joined the forum in the first place! Unfortunately, everybody is so busy pointing out Telltale's flaws that nobody seems to have time to have a conversation about the game itself.
Well our topic isn't even necessarily related to that, in fact, he was complaining about Clem being a "bad written character", so I'm not sure you can point the "unfortunate" circumstance while defending his view. There are some threads discussing the game right now and I wish they were all like this, but the mistakes in season 3 are pretty damn bad so I'm not sure it'll ever end even when it's the same discussion each time with no dynamic contributions.
I'm talking about if she was such a poorly written character, why was virtually nobody complaining about her writing since season 1, 2, and … more3? Clem has obviously been a fan favorite and if her writing was appalling, people wouldn't want to as her, Melissa even said they better make Javier a good character or else they'll hate it, which they did, I like Javier's personality being humorous and charismatic, I can't say the same for his family though as I don't care about them which is something that irks me in ANF.
You might be surprised to learn that quite a few people in the forum—myself included—believe that she was a badly-written character in previous seasons. Season Two in particular.
That aside, positive fan reception isn't always paired up with good character writing. It may happen that a character is appealing to a larger audience while still remaining underdeveloped or inconsistent. That's where I'm getting at. There's a ten… [view original content]
It's not illogical at all - one of the things I've learned based on my own experiences, others' experiences and through studying Psychology is that it's quite common for us to subconsciously hate or love certain characters/individuals based on first perception alone. So it's pretty Psychological...
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After seeing what some people have been serious about on these forums lately, you never know.
Nah, 2 years ago I was a fanboy idiot with no sense of criticism of what good character writing is.
I'm sure 90%+ of the people that play TWD agree with you on your "good character writing" for Clementine.
You phrased that really weirdly and I don't get what you mean. Are you saying Clementine is a well written character?
I'm saying that most of the people that purchase this series, do it for Clementine, and that they probably disagree with your "bad writing" notion, including me. Have fun with your username though.
She definitely looks mixed. She was a bit light in the first season, but she physically had some characteristics I thought were the result of multiple ethnicities.
How is Clementine a bad written character?
She is the face of the series and the reason why most of this community plays these games.
That's not an argument as to how she's a well written character, you do realize that, right?
Just because people like her doesn't make her well written. People like Suicide Squad but that film isn't well written at all, in fact it could be written by a 3 year old.
It's an argument way better than you saying "I don't like her, she's a bad written character".
(Your free reply)
There have been dozens of threads on how Telltale fucks up.
Like when people are serious that Kevin Bruner should be killed.
No, it is not.
Neither are valid arguments.
AJ is adorable and is the last connection Clementine has to Kenny and the cabin group. I love the little guy.
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Me saying I don't like her and that she's a badly written character isn't a fucking argument. It's a statement about how I feel, If I were to explain why I thought she was poorly written, it'd be an argument.
That wasn't my only reasoning, I was going to see how he responded first, but I agree with what you said.
I waited too long for the response, but it doesn't matter much.
Who?
Nice job deflecting the actual post, his argument is better than your no argument, I don't know why you insist on avoiding it though.
I'll explain if you can't think of the implication yourself:
You said that people like Clementine but was poorly written, but if her writing was so appalling, why would most of this community love her character so much? It's contradicting, most of the reason we love Clem is because of her story, personality, etc, and they all correlate to her writing. So obviously her writing isn't as bad as you depict it to be if most of this series' fan base revolves around her, if you're worried about her writing, then honestly you shouldn't be playing this game because there's much worse examples of writing in this game.
I'm sure just because you stated "no", then it's true, right? If you're going to say they're invalid, add some to the discussion next time.
Yep, Lee essentially passed his character onto Clementine which made us care for her even more, I still think she's well-written though, or else I would judge season 2 and her season 3 character a lot. It seems most people aren't complaining about Clementine though, more of the plot and story, and even not playing Clem, so I still stand by saying that she's not poorly written.
I think the reason why some of us like having Clementine as a character is not for the simple fact she is well written, rather it's because we can relate to her and the situations she has faced and can sympathize.
You'll find it eventually.
Is it the title of a thread? Or is it in that petition thread?
[Finds it]
...K.
Whether a character is the protagonist of a narrative does not determine in any way whether they're well-written. The fact that a character is the protagonist of a narrative is not an argument in favor of the case that they are a well-written character. It doesn't need to go any further.
Boom! I added something to the discussion.
That's how I see it as well.
I don't remember the specific location.
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Nobody needs to forget what they did, but we do have to find it in our hearts to forgive them.
I'm not sure, but I don't recall seeing it in the petition.
I have no idea what you're referencing outside of who that guy is.
Well I didn't steal that duffel bag if that's what you're asking.
I'm talking about if she was such a poorly written character, why was virtually nobody complaining about her writing since season 1, 2, and 3? Clem has obviously been a fan favorite and if her writing was appalling, people wouldn't want to as her, Melissa even said they better make Javier a good character or else they'll hate it, which they did, I like Javier's personality being humorous and charismatic, I can't say the same for his family though as I don't care about them which is something that irks me in ANF.
Good, that's what forums are about primarily.
Isn't this some Michonne reference (that you won't let go)? I only watched in on YouTube once though, never bothered playing it.
You might be surprised to learn that quite a few people in the forum—myself included—believe that she was a badly-written character in previous seasons. Season Two in particular.
That aside, positive fan reception isn't always paired up with good character writing. It may happen that a character is appealing to a larger audience while still remaining underdeveloped or inconsistent. That's where I'm getting at. There's a tendency that shows that the two aspects correlate, but we cannot rely on it because it varies from case to case.
I know that full well, Spodes—that is the one reason why I joined the forum in the first place! Unfortunately, everybody is so busy pointing out Telltale's flaws that nobody seems to have time to have a conversation about the game itself.
You might be thinking about Rashid and Vanessa.
But, yes, this is from Michonne as well.
It's not even my full argument.
I also asked you "why?" she is a badly written character to you.
Her character arch is better than most characters in gaming. A character that has spent 4-5 years growing up in a zombie apocalypse with people that come and go, hardening with each death.
Also, knowing a character from 8 years old to 13, each game growing up more and more, you see her change constantly while retaining some of her innocence yet cold and hardened by the loss of everyone around her and being alone for a majority of the time.
I was aware the hate for season 2, but I think people actually really did like that season and some people were going over the top hate with that season just like season 3 has here and there, I mostly recall people hating playing an 11 year old girl but I enjoyed that dynamic as it made walkers more of a threat plus she found her strength through those experiences.
I don't know, you can't expect to stay the same character as she was in season 1, she's not inconsistent from what I've seen as she still shows her morals, empathy, and belief in humanity here and there, but being pragmatic when it's necessary as she learned not everything can be helped like the extremely innocent girl she was in season 1, Lee would be proud of Clem.
Well our topic isn't even necessarily related to that, in fact, he was complaining about Clem being a "bad written character", so I'm not sure you can point the "unfortunate" circumstance while defending his view. There are some threads discussing the game right now and I wish they were all like this, but the mistakes in season 3 are pretty damn bad so I'm not sure it'll ever end even when it's the same discussion each time with no dynamic contributions.
It's not illogical at all - one of the things I've learned based on my own experiences, others' experiences and through studying Psychology is that it's quite common for us to subconsciously hate or love certain characters/individuals based on first perception alone. So it's pretty Psychological...