Hating On AJ is Illogical

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  • You said that people like Clementine but was poorly written, but if her writing was so appalling, why would most of this community love her character so much?

    Because she's an adorable little girl who we have heavy attachment to because of Lee, who was a well written character.

    if you're worried about her writing, then honestly you shouldn't be playing this game because there's much worse examples of writing in this game.

    I hate it when people say stupid shit like this so much, but for some reason this irritates me 10 times more than it usually does.

    Spodes posted: »

    ??? I'll explain if you can't think of the implication yourself: You said that people like Clementine but was poorly written, but i

  • I don't even know why I fucking bother anymore. This is giving me a migraine.

    Spodes posted: »

    Nice job deflecting the actual post, his argument is better than your no argument, I don't know why you insist on avoiding it though.

  • edited January 2017

    Her character arch is better than most characters in gaming.

    No. It really, REALLY isn't. Whether it's good or not is subjective, but it's definitely not better than most arcs. Have you ever played Uncharted? Or Silent Hill? Or Tales from the Borderlands? Or basically any game that actually has amazing character arcs?

    A character that has spent 4-5 years growing up in a zombie apocalypse with people that come and go, hardening with each death.

    Just because we're watching somebody's character grow for a long period of time doesn't mean it's good character growth.

    Also, knowing a character from 8 years old to 13, each game growing up more and more, you see her change constantly while retaining some of her innocence yet cold and hardened by the loss of everyone around her and being alone for a majority of the time.

    This isn't an argument defending the writing so much as it is a statement about what's actually happening in the game.

    Honestly I'm not sure why you and Spodes are getting so offended by me disliking Clementine and believing that her writing is bad writing. I'm not asking you guys to think that, my idea of her writing and her character is purely opinion, and I don't think I ever stated it otherwise. I just don't fucking get why people like you feel the need to validate your own opinions to someone who doesn't agree by constructing a bunch of poor arguments instead of moving on and saying "Huh, I guess this person doesn't agree with what I think. Oh well".

    Chill the fuck out, I'm not attacking either of you, shit I don't even KNOW either of you. You two could be fucking american heroes for all I know, I don't care either way. I'm not FORCING you to think the way I do. One of my best friends thinks Clementine is an amazing character. I disagree but it still makes me smile when he gets excited about something she did because I'm not TRYING to stop him for liking her. You two can like her all you want but I have the right to post how I feel about her too.

    It's not even my full argument. I also asked you "why?" she is a badly written character to you. Her character arch is better than mos

  • edited January 2017

    Because she's an adorable little girl who we have heavy attachment to because of Lee, who was a well written character.

    Pretty much. I think pretty much any character can be good if done right, but this is an easy failsafe.

    You said that people like Clementine but was poorly written, but if her writing was so appalling, why would most of this community love her

  • No. It really, REALLY isn't. Whether it's good or not is subjective, but it's definitely not better than most arcs. Have you ever played Uncharted? Or Silent Hill? Or Tales from the Borderlands? Or basically any game that actually has amazing character arcs?

    I have played many games, and in a way, I am going to agree with you that there are many great story arcs. I can't play Uncharted because I only own an Xbox One, I personally didn't like Silent Hill (but I knew it was a great game), and I actually only played Borderlands 1/2 and skipped Tales. Overall, it comes down to opinion, many character arcs are indeed trash, but many aren't. I may see Master Chief from Halo has a great story arc (Not anymore because of that shit show called Halo 5), while others will dislike it. Is one wrong? No, so I am truthfully sorry for sounding rude or crude.

    Just because we're watching somebody's character grow for a long period of time doesn't mean it's good character growth.

    While it's not necessary character growth that we see, it's evident when we come back after the wait. Fair point.

    This isn't an argument defending the writing so much as it is a statement about what's actually happening in the game.

    Another fair point, but what's happening in the game IS her story arc.

    Honestly I'm not sure why you and Spodes are getting so offended by me disliking Clementine and believing that her writing is bad writing. I'm not asking you guys to think that, my idea of her writing and her character is purely opinion, and I don't think I ever stated it otherwise.

    Clementine is one of my favorite characters in gaming, you may dislike her, but I love her character, and it does come to opinion, so I, once again, apologize for stating mine overcomes yours. As for Spodes, me and him are very alike when it comes to what we like/dislike in these games. Spodes is a friend to me as well. I'm not going to ask you to change, but I am going to disagree with Clementine being a badly written character. I personally see she has had a lot of growing while others, understandingly, disagree. As for your last paragraph, I'm not going to respond because you were simply angry, so I'd rather not add any unnecessary fuel to the fire. Overall, we both have the right to our opinions, so I will respect that.

    Her character arch is better than most characters in gaming. No. It really, REALLY isn't. Whether it's good or not is subjective, bu

  • I love the little guy too.

    AJ is adorable and is the last connection Clementine has to Kenny and the cabin group. I love the little guy.

  • No, so I am truthfully sorry for sounding rude or crude.

    Don't be, compared to Spodes you've actually been genuinely respectful somewhat and you've made some decent arguments. I was just about to edit my comment to thank you for that actually.

    I personally didn't like Silent Hill (but I knew it was a great game),

    Check out 2 and 3, those have MUCH better character arcs and are actually millions of times better than the first game. I promise.

    I may see Master Chief from Halo has a great story arc (Not anymore because of that shit show called Halo 5)

    Looks like we agree on something.

    Another fair point, but what's happening in the game IS her story arc.

    Good point.

    Clementine is one of my favorite characters in gaming, you may dislike her, but I love her character, and it does come to opinion, so I, once again, apologize for stating mine overcomes yours.

    Hey, no hard feelings. I hope. As I said, I don't know you personally, nor do I know Spodes, so you both could be awesome peeps for all I know. I hold nothing in these conversations against you guys. Even IF we got a little heated. I hope Spodes doesn't hate me too much honestly, I didn't mean to be so rude it's just that I've been having an awful week and my family is emotionally abusing me and shit is a mess. RIP.

    As for your last paragraph, I'm not going to respond because you were simply angry,

    I wasn't as much angry as I was desperate to stop this argument before I started yelling at myself angrily. Lol.

    Overall, we both have the right to our opinions, so I will respect that.

    Same here, and I deeply apologize for how rude and angry I've behaved during this discussion. I would've written an argument for why I feel the way I do about Clem, but I'm currently writing a script to something all about the Walking Dead Telltale series and it involves an entire 49 paragraph section about Clem's character, so I'd rather not go back into detail about it again. Haha.

    No. It really, REALLY isn't. Whether it's good or not is subjective, but it's definitely not better than most arcs. Have you ever played Unc

  • So it's pretty Psychological...

    BOO!

    prink34320 posted: »

    It's not illogical at all - one of the things I've learned based on my own experiences, others' experiences and through studying Psychology

  • Check out 2 and 3, those have MUCH better character arcs and are actually millions of times better than the first game. I promise.

    I will! Thanks for the recommendation. I hate to say I don't have recommendations. Dark Souls has a relatively mysterious story and allows for you to create your own universe... I can't give you many good recommendations, I am sorry! :D Dark Souls is a great game, recommended if you want a cool game to play and get mad at.

    Looks like we agree on something.

    I love Master Chief and Arbiter's characters... Halo 5 through everything out the window. Fuck that game.

    Hey, no hard feelings. I hope. As I said, I don't know you personally, nor do I know Spodes, so you both could be awesome peeps for all I know. I hold nothing in these conversations against you guys. Even IF we got a little heated. I hope Spodes doesn't hate me too much honestly, I didn't mean to be so rude it's just that I've been having an awful week and my family is emotionally abusing me and shit is a mess. RIP.

    Spodes is a nice guy, a great friend as well. Hey, I am sorry about your week and what is happening, I'm not much of a friend to you yet, but if you need something, message me, despite the argument, I can be a good friend haha.

    I wasn't as much angry as I was desperate to stop this argument before I started yelling at myself angrily. Lol.

    I escalate it. I read back that you didn't want to start an argument, but I continued, so that's a - point to me haha.

    Same here, and I deeply apologize for how rude and angry I've behaved during this discussion. I would've written an argument for why I feel the way I do about Clem, but I'm currently writing a script to something all about the Walking Dead Telltale series and it involves an entire 49 paragraph section about Clem's character, so I'd rather not go back into detail about it again. Haha.

    No worries honestly. It's all opinion, I could give the same amount of paragraphs as to why I DO think she is a good character, no one would win. Haha

    No, so I am truthfully sorry for sounding rude or crude. Don't be, compared to Spodes you've actually been genuinely respectful some

  • Dark Souls has a relatively mysterious story and allows for you to create your own universe..

    I actually love Dark Souls, I already beat all 3 games. Lol.

    I love Master Chief and Arbiter's characters... Halo 5 through everything out the window. Fuck that game.

    Same here. My friend Matt is in love with it so I usually hold my tongue about how much I hate it, but he isn't on these forums so fuuuuuuuuuuck Halo 5.

    Spodes is a nice guy, a great friend as well.

    I'm sure he is honestly, if he doesn't want to spill my guts or anything, could ya let him know I apologize for my behavior?

    Hey, I am sorry about your week and what is happening, I'm not much of a friend to you yet, but if you need something, message me, despite the argument, I can be a good friend haha.

    Thank you, that means a lot. I don't typically ask for help but if I ever pull my head out of my ass and stop thinking I don't deserve help I might take you up on that one.

    No worries honestly. It's all opinion, I could give the same amount of paragraphs as to why I DO think she is a good character, no one would win. Haha

    Good point.

    Check out 2 and 3, those have MUCH better character arcs and are actually millions of times better than the first game. I promise. I

  • I actually love Dark Souls, I already beat all 3 games. Lol.

    Same, I haven't gotten the DLC for Dark Souls 3 yet... :( What's your favorite game and boss?

    Same here. My friend Matt is in love with it so I usually hold my tongue about how much I hate it, but he isn't on these forums so fuuuuuuuuuuck Halo 5.

    I didn't think it was possible to mess up Halo's story. It was one of the only FPS game I played that I literally loved to death. I never felt that invested with any other games... 343 messed up the story, and Bungie went on to make Destiny... which also had a shit story.

    I'm sure he is honestly, if he doesn't want to spill my guts or anything, could ya let him know I apologize for my behavior?

    Yeah, I'll let him know for sure. Believe me, he's a really nice guy.

    Thank you, that means a lot. I don't typically ask for help but if I ever pull my head out of my ass and stop thinking I don't deserve help I might take you up on that one.

    Hey, everyone deserves help. Even those that you may not think need it, need it. Hell, anyone in the world could be helped with one thing or another. I'll be a PM away, just remember.

    Dark Souls has a relatively mysterious story and allows for you to create your own universe.. I actually love Dark Souls, I already

  • edited January 2017

    Same, I haven't gotten the DLC for Dark Souls 3 yet... :( What's your favorite game and boss?

    Dark Souls 1 is definitely my favorite, but favorite boss is a tough one. It'd be a 5 way tie between:

    The Abyss Watchers, Soul of Cinder, The Rotten, Ornstein & Smough and The Pursuer.

    EDIT: I meant to respond to the rest of this comment but I'm too stupid to do that apparently. Gonna fix that.

    I didn't think it was possible to mess up Halo's story. It was one of the only FPS game I played that I literally loved to death. I never felt that invested with any other games... 343 messed up the story, and Bungie went on to make Destiny... which also had a shit story.

    Yeah, 343 and Bungie have been making a lot of screw ups as of late.

    Hey, everyone deserves help. Even those that you may not think need it, need it. Hell, anyone in the world could be helped with one thing or another. I'll be a PM away, just remember.

    Thanks, really.

    I actually love Dark Souls, I already beat all 3 games. Lol. Same, I haven't gotten the DLC for Dark Souls 3 yet... What's your fav

  • Because she's an adorable little girl who we have heavy attachment to because of Lee, who was a well written character.

    That plus she continued the attachment, which implies she was written well enough to sustain it, if you don't like TWD S2 and plus, just replay season 1 if you want to remain happy for yourself.

    I hate it when people say stupid shit like this so much, but for some reason this irritates me 10 times more than it usually does.

    Cool blog post.

    You said that people like Clementine but was poorly written, but if her writing was so appalling, why would most of this community love her

  • I think the reason why some of us like having Clementine as a character is not for the simple fact she is well written, rather it's because we can relate to her and the situations she has faced and can sympathize.

    Still, being well-written is a good thing and I do believe they wrote her well so far, but I love Clementine like Lee did regardless of pure writing.

    I think the reason why some of us like having Clementine as a character is not for the simple fact she is well written, rather it's because we can relate to her and the situations she has faced and can sympathize.

  • Dark Souls 1 is definitely my favorite, but favorite boss is a tough one. It'd be a 5 way tie between:

    The Abyss Watchers, Soul of Cinder, The Rotten, Ornstein & Smough and The Pursuer.

    I'd have to go with Dark Souls as my favorite with Dark Souls 3 right behind it.
    My favorite bosses from each are... Sinh from Dark Souls 2, Soul of Cinder from Dark Souls 3, and Artorias from Dark Souls (I mean, this boss is so damn amazing).

    Yeah, 343 and Bungie have been making a lot of screw ups as of late.

    I am hopeful for Halo Wars 2, but I'm not going to buy it as I'm sure the story will be royally fucked. (The story sounds good, but so did Halo 5's)

    Thanks, really.

    No problem man, glad to help!

    Same, I haven't gotten the DLC for Dark Souls 3 yet... What's your favorite game and boss? Dark Souls 1 is definitely my favorite,

  • Don't hurt yourself too much, PewDiePie (I know you know what I'm talking about :^) ).

    I don't even know why I fucking bother anymore. This is giving me a migraine.

  • I'd kill you but then your walker would ban me

    Deltino posted: »

    AJ was a complete waste of time Yeah, nine months worth, amirite? kill me

  • Shhhh

    DabigRG posted: »

    So it's pretty Psychological... BOO!

  • edited January 2017

    My Clementine hates AJ and she only keeps him as walker bait in case she gets traped by a herd. My Clementine learned that from Kenny. He did the same with Ben.

  • My Clementine hates AJ and she only keeps him as walker bait in case she gets traped by a herd. My Clementine learned that from Jane. She did the same with Jaime.

    Fixed.

    My Clementine hates AJ and she only keeps him as walker bait in case she gets traped by a herd. My Clementine learned that from Kenny. He did the same with Ben.

  • edited January 2017

    People can hate who they want to hate. Nearly all characters in s3 are unlikable. Your point is illogical.

  • She looks like Rihanna

    She definitely looks mixed. She was a bit light in the first season, but she physically had some characteristics I thought were the result of multiple ethnicities.

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