some people hate him for which is because they hold a grudge due to his sometimes horrible treatment of Lee and others which in my opinion is just him being honest, even if it comes across as being an asshole
If someone was refusing to save me from being killed because of a disagreement we had earlier, then it's that kind of honesty is something that I could do without, as it shows that this 'honesty' is nothing but pure disloyalty and vindictiveness. That's not being an asshole, that's just being outright malicious and a liability to have around.
Besides, there's a difference between holding a grudge over conflicting opinions, and there's not forgetting that Kenny is capable of abandoning you in a perilous situation when he could have easily helped you, but chose not to. Those who don't like Kenny have reasons to not want to forget what's Kenny is capable of, especially his habit of holding said grudges.
Good post @Akimbo_Slice. I have always said that there is so much more to his character than what some people hate him for which is because … morethey hold a grudge due to his sometimes horrible treatment of Lee and others which in my opinion is just him being honest, even if it comes across as being an asshole. He's never afraid to tell you what he thinks, things that people don't want to hear and that has my respect. We all have our reasons
Aww! Then by all means keep those grudges close to you Rich and i'll stick to the friendship that i had with him in the first game. Also if things were different I wouldn't have stayed mad at him after the last 5 years. I can actually forgive people and understand their reasons despite what you may feel.
Anyway i'm not going to pointlessly argue with someone who i always disagree with. I'll leave it at that. He was loyal to me and that's all that matters. Bye Richie
some people hate him for which is because they hold a grudge due to his sometimes horrible treatment of Lee and others which in my opinion i… mores just him being honest, even if it comes across as being an asshole
If someone was refusing to save me from being killed because of a disagreement we had earlier, then it's that kind of honesty is something that I could do without, as it shows that this 'honesty' is nothing but pure disloyalty and vindictiveness. That's not being an asshole, that's just being outright malicious and a liability to have around.
Besides, there's a difference between holding a grudge over conflicting opinions, and there's not forgetting that Kenny is capable of abandoning you in a perilous situation when he could have easily helped you, but chose not to. Those who don't like Kenny have reasons to not want to forget what's Kenny is capable of, especially his habit of holding said grudges.
Also about the "honesty"'of Kenny, i was more referring to general conversations he had with members of the group when he would often be outspoken to others sometimes saying harsh things which in my view despite being a dick is him being honest about his feelings. I wasn't even referring to the scene you were talking about which seems to be all you and others ever go on about lol
some people hate him for which is because they hold a grudge due to his sometimes horrible treatment of Lee and others which in my opinion i… mores just him being honest, even if it comes across as being an asshole
If someone was refusing to save me from being killed because of a disagreement we had earlier, then it's that kind of honesty is something that I could do without, as it shows that this 'honesty' is nothing but pure disloyalty and vindictiveness. That's not being an asshole, that's just being outright malicious and a liability to have around.
Besides, there's a difference between holding a grudge over conflicting opinions, and there's not forgetting that Kenny is capable of abandoning you in a perilous situation when he could have easily helped you, but chose not to. Those who don't like Kenny have reasons to not want to forget what's Kenny is capable of, especially his habit of holding said grudges.
As I have stated earlier, there's a difference between holding a grudge and not forgetting what someone can be capable of doing to you if you don't validate their every need. I'm not one to hold grudges when I can learn to be a bigger person and make compromises.
Speaking of forgiveness, I've forgiven Lilly, Larry, Ben, Bonnie, Mike, Arvo, and have taken my time to understand the reasoning behind their actions. With Kenny, sadly, he hasn't quite earned enough goodwill to earn my forgiveness, and considering the circumstances with the Season 2 finale and his deaths in either Season 2 or 3, he probably never will.
It's a shame to see that after our last talk, you still seem unnecessarily hostile and assuming the worst. Like it or not, people are going to disagree with your comments, and it's not meant to be a personal attack on your part.
Aww! Then by all means keep those grudges close to you Rich and i'll stick to the friendship that i had with him in the first game. Also if … morethings were different I wouldn't have stayed mad at him after the last 5 years. I can actually forgive people and understand their reasons despite what you may feel.
Anyway i'm not going to pointlessly argue with someone who i always disagree with. I'll leave it at that. He was loyal to me and that's all that matters. Bye Richie
The structure of your sentence 'because they hold a grudge due to his sometimes horrible treatment of Lee and others which in my opinion is just him being honest' implied to me that you were stating that his horrid treatment towards Lee was due to Kenny being honest, which appeared to be the opposite of what honest means as a word.
Also about the "honesty"'of Kenny, i was more referring to general conversations he had with members of the group when he would often be out… morespoken to others sometimes saying harsh things which in my view despite being a dick is him being honest about his feelings. I wasn't even referring to the scene you were talking about which seems to be all you and others ever go on about lol
I have said many times how strongly i feel on the matter and i cannot help that. Anything i say that may seem hostile is not intended to be an attack on you or others and i hope you realise that. I just disagree with the hate that's all. I accept it but can be strong in response to it. Fine you don't nor will ever forgive him. In my opinion i think it's a shame you forgive everyone else and not him and that Telltale made you hate him so much.
As I have stated earlier, there's a difference between holding a grudge and not forgetting what someone can be capable of doing to you if yo… moreu don't validate their every need. I'm not one to hold grudges when I can learn to be a bigger person and make compromises.
Speaking of forgiveness, I've forgiven Lilly, Larry, Ben, Bonnie, Mike, Arvo, and have taken my time to understand the reasoning behind their actions. With Kenny, sadly, he hasn't quite earned enough goodwill to earn my forgiveness, and considering the circumstances with the Season 2 finale and his deaths in either Season 2 or 3, he probably never will.
It's a shame to see that after our last talk, you still seem unnecessarily hostile and assuming the worst. Like it or not, people are going to disagree with your comments, and it's not meant to be a personal attack on your part.
That's just funny because you didn't even notice that some of them are just depending on your choices, self-defense and out of mercy/before reanimation. Hell, Lee and Clementine's victim lists are even bigger than Kenny's.
The structure of your sentence 'because they hold a grudge due to his sometimes horrible treatment of Lee and others which in my opinion is just him being honest' implied to me that you were stating that his horrid treatment towards Lee was due to Kenny being honest, which appeared to be the opposite of what honest means as a word.
It's like if you were having a conversation with someone and then then others person disagrees and says something horrible like "hey man don't be an idiot, i think we should do this or that". That to me is an honest reaction from said person even though he or she is being horrible. That is how i saw Kenny being during a lot of conversations. That is what i was meaning/getting at
Ah, I see. My mistake.
The structure of your sentence 'because they hold a grudge due to his sometimes horrible treatment of Lee and othe… morers which in my opinion is just him being honest' implied to me that you were stating that his horrid treatment towards Lee was due to Kenny being honest, which appeared to be the opposite of what honest means as a word.
Your passive-aggressive comments towards me and others on this forum seems to suggest otherwise, and it tends to make you seem immature and unable to handle constructive criticism or differences in opinions.
Besides, I've said my part now. Let's finish this in a civil manner.
I have said many times how strongly i feel on the matter and i cannot help that. Anything i say that may seem hostile is not intended to be … morean attack on you or others and i hope you realise that. I just disagree with the hate that's all. I accept it but can be strong in response to it. Fine you don't nor will ever forgive him. In my opinion i think it's a shame you forgive everyone else and not him and that Telltale made you hate him so much.
Well that's fine if that's what you think of me. Quite frankly you don't know how i am in real life, I don't really care but that is how it is and i will continue to respond how i feel. I could also say the same for others who equally shit on my opinion by impliying how wrong i am but oh well
Edit: Also being passive aggressive? Well if i openly started abusing and getting angry at everything i'd be banned pretty quickly and that would make me immature then. Suppose you'd like me to respond that way?
Your passive-aggressive comments towards me and others on this forum seems to suggest otherwise, and it tends to make you seem immature and … moreunable to handle constructive criticism or differences in opinions.
Besides, I've said my part now. Let's finish this in a civil manner.
In TWD? Not many people. Lilly had a good character arc but didn't have very good written dialogue. Doug's writing was interesting but his character was never really fleshed out. Lee was really well written, but how well written he was depended on the choices the player made, he could be a consistent character or incredibly inconsistent. Other than that, I can't think of many characters that were particularly well written.
Now outside of The Walking Dead: James Sunderland, Nathan Drake, Kate Marsh, Solaire of Astora, Big Boss/Solid Snake, Ellie and Heather Mason are all greatly well written characters with well rounded character arcs and incredibly interesting. There's a way to write video game characters well and I think Telltale should take examples from those characters and their steadily improving arcs when they write new characters.
You're entitled to your opinion. It seems obvious to me that Kenny is one of the better written characters in the game.
Just out of interest, who do you consider a well-written character?
Doug's writing was interesting but his character was never really fleshed out.
Hey, uh, you trying to make enemies here, pal?
Kidding aside, Lilly was an interesting one. I never really got why she shot Carly/Doug (the latter was an accident, but still, she tried to murder someone). I get it, she lost her father in a pretty horrible fashion, but before that she seemed like a well-rounded organised and confident leader. Interesting that you mention the written dialogue. I tend to remember the actions characters make, rather than what they say.
The non-TWD mentions, I agree with the ones I know. I'd personally say Ellie's development is on a par with Clementine's.
In TWD? Not many people. Lilly had a good character arc but didn't have very good written dialogue. Doug's writing was interesting but his c… moreharacter was never really fleshed out. Lee was really well written, but how well written he was depended on the choices the player made, he could be a consistent character or incredibly inconsistent. Other than that, I can't think of many characters that were particularly well written.
Now outside of The Walking Dead: James Sunderland, Nathan Drake, Kate Marsh, Solaire of Astora, Big Boss/Solid Snake, Ellie and Heather Mason are all greatly well written characters with well rounded character arcs and incredibly interesting. There's a way to write video game characters well and I think Telltale should take examples from those characters and their steadily improving arcs when they write new characters.
Laughable given that Lee also kills just as many (more determinantely in fact) but oh no, we can't ever hate dear old Lee can we for the kil… morels he did. Anyway, that's not the reason for some people hating Kenny. Some perhaps give this as the only reason but if so it's pathetic that given all the people he did actually kill was in the best interests of everyone else in the group (Larry, Johnny, the Russians, Carver for example) but of course they'll never admit this and just see him as the villain boo hoo.
You need to look up the word racism, assuming a person of color can pick locks is racism, racism is systemic and all white people struggle with it, some admit it and some don't, but you'll always hear or see something racist come out of them at one point or another.
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If someone was refusing to save me from being killed because of a disagreement we had earlier, then it's that kind of honesty is something that I could do without, as it shows that this 'honesty' is nothing but pure disloyalty and vindictiveness. That's not being an asshole, that's just being outright malicious and a liability to have around.
Besides, there's a difference between holding a grudge over conflicting opinions, and there's not forgetting that Kenny is capable of abandoning you in a perilous situation when he could have easily helped you, but chose not to. Those who don't like Kenny have reasons to not want to forget what's Kenny is capable of, especially his habit of holding said grudges.
Aww! Then by all means keep those grudges close to you Rich and i'll stick to the friendship that i had with him in the first game. Also if things were different I wouldn't have stayed mad at him after the last 5 years. I can actually forgive people and understand their reasons despite what you may feel.
Anyway i'm not going to pointlessly argue with someone who i always disagree with. I'll leave it at that. He was loyal to me and that's all that matters. Bye Richie
Also about the "honesty"'of Kenny, i was more referring to general conversations he had with members of the group when he would often be outspoken to others sometimes saying harsh things which in my view despite being a dick is him being honest about his feelings. I wasn't even referring to the scene you were talking about which seems to be all you and others ever go on about lol
As I have stated earlier, there's a difference between holding a grudge and not forgetting what someone can be capable of doing to you if you don't validate their every need. I'm not one to hold grudges when I can learn to be a bigger person and make compromises.
Speaking of forgiveness, I've forgiven Lilly, Larry, Ben, Bonnie, Mike, Arvo, and have taken my time to understand the reasoning behind their actions. With Kenny, sadly, he hasn't quite earned enough goodwill to earn my forgiveness, and considering the circumstances with the Season 2 finale and his deaths in either Season 2 or 3, he probably never will.
It's a shame to see that after our last talk, you still seem unnecessarily hostile and assuming the worst. Like it or not, people are going to disagree with your comments, and it's not meant to be a personal attack on your part.
Ah, I see. My mistake.
The structure of your sentence 'because they hold a grudge due to his sometimes horrible treatment of Lee and others which in my opinion is just him being honest' implied to me that you were stating that his horrid treatment towards Lee was due to Kenny being honest, which appeared to be the opposite of what honest means as a word.
I have said many times how strongly i feel on the matter and i cannot help that. Anything i say that may seem hostile is not intended to be an attack on you or others and i hope you realise that. I just disagree with the hate that's all. I accept it but can be strong in response to it. Fine you don't nor will ever forgive him. In my opinion i think it's a shame you forgive everyone else and not him and that Telltale made you hate him so much.
That's just funny because you didn't even notice that some of them are just depending on your choices, self-defense and out of mercy/before reanimation. Hell, Lee and Clementine's victim lists are even bigger than Kenny's.
It's like if you were having a conversation with someone and then then others person disagrees and says something horrible like "hey man don't be an idiot, i think we should do this or that". That to me is an honest reaction from said person even though he or she is being horrible. That is how i saw Kenny being during a lot of conversations. That is what i was meaning/getting at
Your passive-aggressive comments towards me and others on this forum seems to suggest otherwise, and it tends to make you seem immature and unable to handle constructive criticism or differences in opinions.
Besides, I've said my part now. Let's finish this in a civil manner.
Well that's fine if that's what you think of me. Quite frankly you don't know how i am in real life, I don't really care but that is how it is and i will continue to respond how i feel. I could also say the same for others who equally shit on my opinion by impliying how wrong i am but oh well
Edit: Also being passive aggressive? Well if i openly started abusing and getting angry at everything i'd be banned pretty quickly and that would make me immature then. Suppose you'd like me to respond that way?
In TWD? Not many people. Lilly had a good character arc but didn't have very good written dialogue. Doug's writing was interesting but his character was never really fleshed out. Lee was really well written, but how well written he was depended on the choices the player made, he could be a consistent character or incredibly inconsistent. Other than that, I can't think of many characters that were particularly well written.
Now outside of The Walking Dead: James Sunderland, Nathan Drake, Kate Marsh, Solaire of Astora, Big Boss/Solid Snake, Ellie and Heather Mason are all greatly well written characters with well rounded character arcs and incredibly interesting. There's a way to write video game characters well and I think Telltale should take examples from those characters and their steadily improving arcs when they write new characters.
Hey, uh, you trying to make enemies here, pal?
Kidding aside, Lilly was an interesting one. I never really got why she shot Carly/Doug (the latter was an accident, but still, she tried to murder someone). I get it, she lost her father in a pretty horrible fashion, but before that she seemed like a well-rounded organised and confident leader. Interesting that you mention the written dialogue. I tend to remember the actions characters make, rather than what they say.
The non-TWD mentions, I agree with the ones I know. I'd personally say Ellie's development is on a par with Clementine's.
Both Lee and Kenny have been immoral.
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You need to look up the word racism, assuming a person of color can pick locks is racism, racism is systemic and all white people struggle with it, some admit it and some don't, but you'll always hear or see something racist come out of them at one point or another.