Yeah a thread like that would be pretty cool, however i don't think I'll be doing that, not after this thread anyway! And yeah I also really liked Jane and Clems friendship, it was humbling.
I always found with Jane that there was a lot more going on underneath the surface that she never really wanted to show. She seemed pretty i… morentroverted to me, never really opening up personally with anyone that she didn't truly care about and wanting to keep people at a distance because she knew that, in the end, people were going to end up getting killed. I loved that dynamic she and Clem ended up creating over the course of their brief time together, though.
I recently came upon a YouTube video that helped me with figuring out what kind of person I myself might be, but the more that I think about it, this might apply to Jane as well. Here it is if you want to take a look.
10 Signs an Introvert Likes You
Y'know, if there isn't a thread for it already, somebody should try to do some more in-depth character analyses so that people can try to piece together their personalities and why they acted the way they did. I'd read the hell out o… [view original content]
Kenny was gonna help me find Clem but then I told Ben he could come and Kenny threw a hissy fit and stayed behind. So yeah fuck him! But Clem didn't know that.
There are a lot of reasons for people liking him and most of them understandably revolve around him being a Season 1 character. I've persona… morelly grown to dislike him myself, but it's only natural he have a middling reception. Of course, since I was always positively neutral towards him until a few months ago, he has little to nothing to do with why Jane is one of my personal Scrappy characters.
No the depression I've highlighted is linked to her death in my opinion. She hid Aj for her own reasons in showing Clem he's psychotic, which I'm not saying is right so don't worry. Anyway I just didn't understand the 'love kenny' train, that's all
however I feel Janes depression seeps much deeper than just loosing loved ones, which inevitably results in her heartbreaking death.
… more eh? what do you mean by this?
Jane's depression made her pretend the baby was dead?
As for Kenny, I recall opinions of him in season 1 being mixed. But after season 2, almost everyone was riding his dick. Including me. I got over it, though.
Yeah I guess is it just love/hate depending on what certain people can forgive or not. That's also so true about all Clem and kennys interactions from S1 being negative, I feel he was just an asshole to her most of the time.
Because Kenny is one of the more realistic and complex characters, it's the reason why he's the easiest to nitpick and criticize, bar Clemen… moretine and Lee as they have choice-dependent actions and dialogue (well, for the some part at least). Just like every other character, people may like him for his story, his character, his personality, his ideology, his humor or even just because he was one of the originals, among other reasons - similarly to why many people like Jane, it's really not difficult to come up with a few reasons by just thinking of why you like your own favorite characters.
Now, while I do like Kenny and count him as one of my top 10 favorite characters from TTG's games, I will admit that I criticize him quite a bit but that's mostly due to how they handled his character in Season 2. Had they not overshadowed the other characters with Kenny's image, shown implications of a bias in favor of Kenny and practically made Clementin… [view original content]
I don't think I'm going to try to talk about this because like you said, he reminds you of your own father. That straight away tells everyone you you instantly loved him and hated Jane, you picked up on every little thing Jane did and chose to forget or ignore everything Kenny did, so fine. You can think that way.
I like Kenny because be is a complex, interesting character. He isn't all good or all bad. He also reminds me a lot of my own father. I can … moreeasily understand why people don't like him, he has a lot of faults.
Now since Jane was brought up several times, I mostly dislike her because of the way she acted towards Sarah and Kenny.
I don't care how much Sarah reminded her of Jamie, wanting to leave her to die just because of that is terrible. If they wanted to make Jane more likable she could have realized she screwed up with her sister, didn't want to make the same mistake twice and try to actually help Sarah. Also it's her and Luke's fault Sarah died later on. That was not the time and place for them to be goofing around, Luke had a job to do.
The way she talked about Sarita to make Kenny mad was uncalled for. Sarita is already dead, and did nothing wrong to anyone, so her being brought up like that was unneeded. If anything Kenny shoul… [view original content]
And me actually! Second time playing it I gave him another chance and always agreed with him to see if he wasn't such a dick, inevitably he didn't change.
This is quite an assumption because they're things I dislike about Kenny.
I didn't like how he treated Ben which is why I didn't listen to him and didn't drop him.
I didn't like how be yelled at Clementine about Sarita. I wish if you had not cut off her hand she could have spoken up and told Kenny how he was acting was wrong and defend Clem.
I don't like the offensive things he can say at times, to Lee and Reggie for example.
This is more at telltale I didn't like how Sarita died for his sake and a bunch of s2 characters were pushed to the side for him.
Basically I like Kenny but he's also the type of character where I do have problems with him at times.
I don't think I'm going to try to talk about this because like you said, he reminds you of your own father. That straight away tells everyon… moree you you instantly loved him and hated Jane, you picked up on every little thing Jane did and chose to forget or ignore everything Kenny did, so fine. You can think that way.
Okay, I'm glad you see both sides. What you've done is weighted out the pros and cons, and you chose to forgive his faults, which is great! It's good you can still respect him and see him as a loyal friend. For me it just wasn't the same, I personally didn't find it within me to be able to forgive him, but that's great that you did.
This is quite an assumption because they're things I dislike about Kenny.
I didn't like how he treated Ben which is why I didn't listen t… moreo him and didn't drop him.
I didn't like how be yelled at Clementine about Sarita. I wish if you had not cut off her hand she could have spoken up and told Kenny how he was acting was wrong and defend Clem.
I don't like the offensive things he can say at times, to Lee and Reggie for example.
This is more at telltale I didn't like how Sarita died for his sake and a bunch of s2 characters were pushed to the side for him.
Basically I like Kenny but he's also the type of character where I do have problems with him at times.
Hardly but whatever. You can be close minded about all this that's fine, but don't come at me with statements and then not listen to the facts and opinions given back.
Firstly, she was instantly shook when she saw Sarah because her sister was the exact same, imagine if that was you man have some empathy. She didn't want to put Sarah through a forced march through hell like she did with her sister, because at that time she thought that was the right thing to do.
Sarah and Jaime weren't the same. Jaime just didn't want to live anymore and Sarah just lost her dad which made her freeze. It's different.
I believe your opinion on Jane not giving a shit about Rebecca is wrong, she did care otherwise why would she of got the gift shop open in the first place.
I mean, she didn't care about her baby. Or I should say, it was so unnecesary to have a good time with Luke when Rebecca was just giving birth. Don't worry, Luke was a fucking idiot too. Hell, he even caused his own death as well (Instead of staying safe in cover, he chooses to run to the other wall which caused his leg to get fucked, leading to his death at the river).
And that statement about her leading herself to her own death, that's a dark thing to say, she clearly didn't intentionally go into that knowing she'd commit suicide if she fell pregnant, get real.
Still, if she didn't want to be pregnant, why making Luke an offer? Hell, her baby might not have been Luke's, it could've been Troy's.
Jane didn't force luke into not finishing his job, he willingly went up onto that deck to see Jane, straight after Clementine came off it
As I said, they're both idiots.
Clementine wasn't alone therefore she wasn't left abandoned, she had the group with her, the reason she left is because she didn't want to go through the emotional stress of loosing another one of the people closest to her, her instinct was to come back and protect Clem, once she heard gunshots.
Yeah and she changes her mind because she heard gunshots. Everyone is in danger anytime.
With the arvo situation, she instantly breaks down after, and she couldn't just give arvo the gun back, he had it pointed at Clem for one, and two you really fucking think after looking in his medication bag and threatening him with it she'd just give it straight back? Even if she didn't threaten him to not come round there again, he still could of easily shot both of them.
He obviously said he didn't want to shoot anyone. Jane had another gun which she could have used after giving his gun back.
And the car wasn't frozen, the doors wouldn't operate if it was frozen, I see what you're saying, yeah it's probably fucking cold in there, but not a 'frozen car' that's over exaggerating
The only reason AJ survived is because of his magic blanket.
Everybody's lost a fucking lot it doesn't exclude him from anyone else who's also lost a lot, not an excuse
Now tell me, did Kenny ever point the gun at someone to make you side with him? We already know who is worse than Kenny and he is in Season 3. You know who I am talking about.
he could of not started the fight in the first place
If Jane didn't hide AJ and lie to them, it would never have happened. When Jane put the knife away, she said "Don't you come near me, you son of a bitch". You really think he would have believed her it was just an accident after that line? If I was her, I would have just said "Just calm down, I don't want to fight you".
I'm pretty sure the sleepless nights and stomach aches she got were indications to Jane that she might be pregnant, she went to carvers office, took the test, found out there and then and hung herself.
She didn't even think about Clementine, did she? Did I miss a note in Carver's office? Why did she choose to hang herself when she knew she could have turned which could have gotten Clem and AJ killed? The rope would have been cut in any minute and she didn't even close the door.
Firstly, she was instantly shook when she saw Sarah because her sister was the exact same, imagine if that was you man have some empathy. Sh… moree didn't want to put Sarah through a forced march through hell like she did with her sister, because at that time she thought that was the right thing to do. I believe your opinion on Jane not giving a shit about Rebecca is wrong, she did care otherwise why would she of got the gift shop open in the first place. And that statement about her leading herself to her own death, that's a dark thing to say, she clearly didn't intentionally go into that knowing she'd commit suicide if she fell pregnant, get real. Jane didn't force luke into not finishing his job, he willingly went up onto that deck to see Jane, straight after Clementine came off it, and you saying she abandoned Clem, that's not true, Clementine wasn't alone therefore she wasn't left abandoned, she had the group with her, the reason she left is b… [view original content]
Hardly but whatever. You can be close minded about all this that's fine, but don't come at me with statements and then not listen to the facts and opinions given back.
Hardly but whatever. You can be close minded about all this that's fine, but don't come at me with statements and then not listen to the facts and opinions given back.
Kenny rather sacrifice himself to:
-Save Christa(if you choose to drop Ben Crawford)
-Save Ben, but he was lucky (if you choose to save him at Crawford)
-Let himself punched by Carver
Hardly but whatever. You can be close minded about all this that's fine, but don't come at me with statements and then not listen to the facts and opinions given back.
Clementine would not have had that choice if Kenny had not persuaded Edith to get her bosses to allow the children in, remember that all three were being turned away from Wellington.
I think the sacrifice they mean is walking to wellington, not letting them go in per-say. But yes I agree, it's not exactly a sacrifice by letter Clementine decide her own fate.
Yet he was exactly correct in not wanting Ben to come along.
Ben messed up at every opportunity, even going as far to leave Clem behind to be eaten by walkers and almost getting everyone killed by pulling the hatchet from the door in Crawford, and this was the person that Lee wanted to take along?
I wouldn't go along if Ben was there either. How many times does a person have to endanger your life before you don't want to be around them again.
I like Kenny because he's right most of the time. He doesn't put it across very well and his execution is downright terrible at times but he still makes the right choices.
Season 2 was difficult for me. I'd just come from a S1 play through where Lee and Kenny had been really good friends, but I could see in season 2 he was losing it and worst of all Kenny knew it. He was unwilling or unable to stop himself from falling further.
He's just a really well written character who at times shows glimmers of the good man he could be but just can't break through the darkness covering him.
Kenny rather sacrifice himself to:
-Save Christa(if you choose to drop Ben Crawford)
-Save Ben, but he was lucky (if you choose to save him at Crawford)
-Let himself punched by Carver
I like Kenny because he's right most of the time. He doesn't put it across very well and his execution is downright terrible at times but he… more still makes the right choices.
Season 2 was difficult for me. I'd just come from a S1 play through where Lee and Kenny had been really good friends, but I could see in season 2 he was losing it and worst of all Kenny knew it. He was unwilling or unable to stop himself from falling further.
He's just a really well written character who at times shows glimmers of the good man he could be but just can't break through the darkness covering him.
It wasn't such a sacrifice, more of a plea I'd say. Obviously if you think it was a sacrifice then that's fine, that's the way you see it, which doesn't mean you're wrong.
Clementine would not have had that choice if Kenny had not persuaded Edith to get her bosses to allow the children in, remember that all three were being turned away from Wellington.
You're not worth talking to, you don't take anybody else's opinion on board therefore you're an ongoing argument and a broken record that will just continue repeating the same old shit. Just know there's so many things wrong with what you're saying, it's just not worth my time. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, don't try to prove me wrong when there's no right answer.
Firstly, she was instantly shook when she saw Sarah because her sister was the exact same, imagine if that was you man have some empathy. Sh… moree didn't want to put Sarah through a forced march through hell like she did with her sister, because at that time she thought that was the right thing to do.
Sarah and Jaime weren't the same. Jaime just didn't want to live anymore and Sarah just lost her dad which made her freeze. It's different.
I believe your opinion on Jane not giving a shit about Rebecca is wrong, she did care otherwise why would she of got the gift shop open in the first place.
I mean, she didn't care about her baby. Or I should say, it was so unnecesary to have a good time with Luke when Rebecca was just giving birth. Don't worry, Luke was a fucking idiot too. Hell, he even caused his own death as well (Instead of staying safe in cover, he chooses to run to the other wall which caused his leg to get fucked, lea… [view original content]
I never took anyone's opinion on board. I just said that I hate Jane for other reasons and you asked why and I just answered your question. What's that got to do with me not respecting your opinion?
You're not worth talking to, you don't take anybody else's opinion on board therefore you're an ongoing argument and a broken record that wi… morell just continue repeating the same old shit. Just know there's so many things wrong with what you're saying, it's just not worth my time. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, don't try to prove me wrong when there's no right answer.
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Yeah a thread like that would be pretty cool, however i don't think I'll be doing that, not after this thread anyway! And yeah I also really liked Jane and Clems friendship, it was humbling.
Trust be buddy, but it's worth it.
That's exactly what I mean by his childish temper like wtf man throwing a tantrum over that?! His cons shine too bright for me.
Scrappy characters? Are you one of the people that just don't like them both? It's a valid point.
No the depression I've highlighted is linked to her death in my opinion. She hid Aj for her own reasons in showing Clem he's psychotic, which I'm not saying is right so don't worry. Anyway I just didn't understand the 'love kenny' train, that's all
It's true, like @prink34320 just said, she instigated it, but he started it.
Yeah I guess is it just love/hate depending on what certain people can forgive or not. That's also so true about all Clem and kennys interactions from S1 being negative, I feel he was just an asshole to her most of the time.
and I did everything for him that playthrough.
I don't think I'm going to try to talk about this because like you said, he reminds you of your own father. That straight away tells everyone you you instantly loved him and hated Jane, you picked up on every little thing Jane did and chose to forget or ignore everything Kenny did, so fine. You can think that way.
And me actually! Second time playing it I gave him another chance and always agreed with him to see if he wasn't such a dick, inevitably he didn't change.
This is quite an assumption because they're things I dislike about Kenny.
I didn't like how he treated Ben which is why I didn't listen to him and didn't drop him.
I didn't like how be yelled at Clementine about Sarita. I wish if you had not cut off her hand she could have spoken up and told Kenny how he was acting was wrong and defend Clem.
I don't like the offensive things he can say at times, to Lee and Reggie for example.
This is more at telltale I didn't like how Sarita died for his sake and a bunch of s2 characters were pushed to the side for him.
Basically I like Kenny but he's also the type of character where I do have problems with him at times.
You're the one who doesn't make much sense.
Okay, I'm glad you see both sides. What you've done is weighted out the pros and cons, and you chose to forgive his faults, which is great! It's good you can still respect him and see him as a loyal friend. For me it just wasn't the same, I personally didn't find it within me to be able to forgive him, but that's great that you did.
I mean she hung herself which resulted her reanimating instead shooting in the head.
Hardly but whatever. You can be close minded about all this that's fine, but don't come at me with statements and then not listen to the facts and opinions given back.
What you've written genuinely doesn't make any sense... I have no clue what you're attempting to say here
Sarah and Jaime weren't the same. Jaime just didn't want to live anymore and Sarah just lost her dad which made her freeze. It's different.
I mean, she didn't care about her baby. Or I should say, it was so unnecesary to have a good time with Luke when Rebecca was just giving birth. Don't worry, Luke was a fucking idiot too. Hell, he even caused his own death as well (Instead of staying safe in cover, he chooses to run to the other wall which caused his leg to get fucked, leading to his death at the river).
Still, if she didn't want to be pregnant, why making Luke an offer? Hell, her baby might not have been Luke's, it could've been Troy's.
As I said, they're both idiots.
Yeah and she changes her mind because she heard gunshots. Everyone is in danger anytime.
He obviously said he didn't want to shoot anyone. Jane had another gun which she could have used after giving his gun back.
The only reason AJ survived is because of his magic blanket.
Now tell me, did Kenny ever point the gun at someone to make you side with him? We already know who is worse than Kenny and he is in Season 3. You know who I am talking about.
If Jane didn't hide AJ and lie to them, it would never have happened. When Jane put the knife away, she said "Don't you come near me, you son of a bitch". You really think he would have believed her it was just an accident after that line? If I was her, I would have just said "Just calm down, I don't want to fight you".
She didn't even think about Clementine, did she? Did I miss a note in Carver's office? Why did she choose to hang herself when she knew she could have turned which could have gotten Clem and AJ killed? The rope would have been cut in any minute and she didn't even close the door.
Jane got what she deserved she could have stopped the fight at any time but she didn't so she died for her stupid petty bullshit
Jane got what she deserved she could have stopped the fight at any time but she didn't so she died for her stupid petty bullshit
She hung herself instead of shooting herself in the head.
Take it easy
Kenny rather sacrifice himself to:
-Save Christa(if you choose to drop Ben Crawford)
-Save Ben, but he was lucky (if you choose to save him at Crawford)
-Let himself punched by Carver
Whatever
You really are oblivious huh
No need to make this any harder.
Clementine would not have had that choice if Kenny had not persuaded Edith to get her bosses to allow the children in, remember that all three were being turned away from Wellington.
Yet he was exactly correct in not wanting Ben to come along.
Ben messed up at every opportunity, even going as far to leave Clem behind to be eaten by walkers and almost getting everyone killed by pulling the hatchet from the door in Crawford, and this was the person that Lee wanted to take along?
I wouldn't go along if Ben was there either. How many times does a person have to endanger your life before you don't want to be around them again.
Same.
I like Kenny because he's right most of the time. He doesn't put it across very well and his execution is downright terrible at times but he still makes the right choices.
Season 2 was difficult for me. I'd just come from a S1 play through where Lee and Kenny had been really good friends, but I could see in season 2 he was losing it and worst of all Kenny knew it. He was unwilling or unable to stop himself from falling further.
He's just a really well written character who at times shows glimmers of the good man he could be but just can't break through the darkness covering him.
Fair play to him
Yeah his intentions were always for the better, just trying to come to a mutional group agreement wasn't what he was good at.
Why would she shoot herself? Clem would hear it.
No I'm not actually, but thanks for your pointless input.
Make what any harder? You're a lot like the character, don't listen to anyone but yourself and think you're completely right, pathetic.
It wasn't such a sacrifice, more of a plea I'd say. Obviously if you think it was a sacrifice then that's fine, that's the way you see it, which doesn't mean you're wrong.
Grow up.
Oh she deserved to be brutality murdered? Nobody deserves that. That's a fucked up thing to say.
You're not worth talking to, you don't take anybody else's opinion on board therefore you're an ongoing argument and a broken record that will just continue repeating the same old shit. Just know there's so many things wrong with what you're saying, it's just not worth my time. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, don't try to prove me wrong when there's no right answer.
I never took anyone's opinion on board. I just said that I hate Jane for other reasons and you asked why and I just answered your question. What's that got to do with me not respecting your opinion?
Wow. Just wow.