Right. The foreshadowing with Luke saying that Carver won't do anything "not nice". And then later on he would have been the one to beat the shit out of Carver with a crowbar? Makes sense.
Damn, I hadn't made that connection. Now I wish their surrogate-mother/daughter relationship had been properly developed.
And that thumbnail still weirds me out. Was she going to give birth? Why are they locked/trapped in the bathroom? Maybe we were going to see more of Howe's. I wonder if the Pen even existed at that stage in development.
I've never heard that.
Yeah, admittedly I had to be told that. its something that makes his portrayal in the first two episodes make… more sense once you realize that Kenny's role in In Harm's Way and Amid the Ruins would've fit him. The fact that his Indian girlfriend Sarita's name is the SPANISH equivalent of Sarah also makes this embarrassingly(especially since I joked about that but didn't make the full connection) obvious.
There's also these two images
Eye of the Storm Completed "In Harm's Way"
I imagine Rebecca was supposed to have a bigger role and relationship to Clem based on the thumbnail for ep 3
The fact that she resembles Diana, was initially very vindictive towards Clementine because she believed she was in cahoots with Carver, and actually does have some indirect influence on the episode's plot thanks to her history with him definitely lends to that idea.
When you think about it logically, both of them were out of control near the end. I had a seriously close attachment to Kenny because of everything we went through with him over S1 and S2, so I had quite a hard time coming to grips with his instability. But even then I saw that aggression and that instability quite clearly, it's what scared me more than anything when he completley loses it near the end of No Going Back
But Jane was no saint either, she showed she had so little empathy for anyone other than herself in the end. I began to feel I could trust her right up to the point in which she willingly puts AJs life at risk so she could edge Kenny into a confrontation; it was the biggest betrayal for me. To have me sit there and shoot someone I had such a close attachment to only to realise it all could have been avoided if Jane didn't feel she had to go so far to prove her point.
So I left her right there on the side of that road because I just couldn't forgive her for using me like that, for making me kill my close friend and lying to me to make me do it.
Right. The foreshadowing with Luke saying that Carver won't do anything "not nice". And then later on he would have been the one to beat the shit out of Carver with a crowbar? Makes sense.
And the whole "we need to get Kenny's help" thing? Him as well, though I can't say I approve of what that implies.
Damn, I hadn't made that connection. Now I wish their surrogate-mother/daughter relationship had been properly developed.
Yeah, it was definitely something she and Alvin could've had emphasized a bit given their huge contribution to the plot and Series. Would've helped make things more personal for Clementine.
And that thumbnail still weirds me out. Was she going to give birth? Why are they locked/trapped in the bathroom? Maybe we were going to see more of Howe's. I wonder if the Pen even existed at that stage in development.
I believe she may've been suffering from some severe pains and/or stress due to being back at Howe's, Alvin being tortured/killed, and her going to labor soon. Or maybe she was gonna get attacked or something at one point, since the title was In Cold Blood.
Right. The foreshadowing with Luke saying that Carver won't do anything "not nice". And then later on he would have been the one to beat the… more shit out of Carver with a crowbar? Makes sense.
Damn, I hadn't made that connection. Now I wish their surrogate-mother/daughter relationship had been properly developed.
And that thumbnail still weirds me out. Was she going to give birth? Why are they locked/trapped in the bathroom? Maybe we were going to see more of Howe's. I wonder if the Pen even existed at that stage in development.
And the whole "we need to get Kenny's help" thing? Him as well, though I can't say I approve of what that implies.
I'm sorry, you've lost me. say what now?
believe she may've been suffering from some severe pains and/or stress due to being back at Howe's, Alvin being tortured/killed, and her going to labor soon. Or maybe she was gonna get attacked or something at one point, since the title was In Cold Blood.
just wondering what role Clem would have played in all that
Right. The foreshadowing with Luke saying that Carver won't do anything "not nice". And then later on he would have been the one to beat the… more shit out of Carver with a crowbar? Makes sense.
And the whole "we need to get Kenny's help" thing? Him as well, though I can't say I approve of what that implies.
Damn, I hadn't made that connection. Now I wish their surrogate-mother/daughter relationship had been properly developed.
Yeah, it was definitely something she and Alvin could've had emphasized a bit given their huge contribution to the plot and Series. Would've helped make things more personal for Clementine.
And that thumbnail still weirds me out. Was she going to give birth? Why are they locked/trapped in the bathroom? Maybe we were going to see more of Howe's. I wonder if the Pen even existed at that stage in development.
I believe she may've been suffering from some severe pains and/or stress due to bein… [view original content]
Bonnie would've been asking Clementine to get Carlos to come out of the random tent after Sarah was presumbably hurt/lost or something.
just wondering what role Clem would have played in all that
Who knows? As far as I can tell, I guess Caver was originally being serious about the whole "My kid ain't gettin raised around that" thing and that's why the previously segment for Amid the Ruins shows her laying/sitting off to the side with Clementine sadly watching her from afar. Combine that with the shots of her and Carver together and maybe she would've been looking after Rebecca and keeping her health up or something.
And the whole "we need to get Kenny's help" thing? Him as well, though I can't say I approve of what that implies.
I'm sorry, you've… more lost me. say what now?
believe she may've been suffering from some severe pains and/or stress due to being back at Howe's, Alvin being tortured/killed, and her going to labor soon. Or maybe she was gonna get attacked or something at one point, since the title was In Cold Blood.
just wondering what role Clem would have played in all that
As far as I can tell, I guess Caver was originally being serious about the whole "My kid ain't gettin raised around that" thing and that's why the previously segment for Amid the Ruins shows her laying/sitting off to the side with Clementine sadly watching her from afar. Combine that with the shots of her and Carver together and maybe she would've been looking after Rebecca and keeping her health up or something.
That makes sense, but then it would sound like like the other survivors get less screen-time if Clem isn't staying/sleeping with them.
I'm sorry, you've lost me. say what now?
Bonnie would've been asking Clementine to get Carlos to come out of the random tent after S… morearah was presumbably hurt/lost or something.
just wondering what role Clem would have played in all that
Who knows? As far as I can tell, I guess Caver was originally being serious about the whole "My kid ain't gettin raised around that" thing and that's why the previously segment for Amid the Ruins shows her laying/sitting off to the side with Clementine sadly watching her from afar. Combine that with the shots of her and Carver together and maybe she would've been looking after Rebecca and keeping her health up or something.
It's just a logical conclusion of the realization that many of Season2!Kenny's scenes were likely meant for Carlos at first. There's some old threads discussing it. Basically, the story would likely go:
He is a leader and overprotective father with hidden issues with aggression
He butted heads with his evil counterpart Carver
Is very overprotective of his female loved one to the point of insisting doing things for her and keeping her away from any conflict
He and Clementine would start working together and trusting each other before and after Carver captures them
He would lead the group in aggressively planning to fight back with Luke being absent
He, Clementine, and Sarah would be forced to ally with Mike/"Ralph" in getting the walkie talkie to Luke
Carver would beat him when the escape is busted
After the defecting Bonnie springs them from the pin, he and Luke would argue about him wanting to murder Carver
During the escape, something bad would happen involving Sarah
He'd be depressedly hidng in the random tent at Parker's Run that Clementine would have to convince him to do his job and deliver AJ
Would become obsessive about getting AJ to safety if Sarah really did die
Would fight Luke at the end
Those broken glasses is from the achievement you get after completing In Harm's Way and the Save file Chapter for the Walkie Talkie Rendesvouz has Sarah in it despite her not being there in the final game
That makes sense, but then it would sound like like the other survivors get less screen-time if Clem isn't staying/sleeping with them.
Yeah, that was my thought as well. Maybe she'd visit them occasionally when she either has free time or working together, since the teaser also shows her doing work under Troy's supervision.
I'm still not following. Where did you hear this?
As far as I can tell, I guess Caver was originally being serious about the whole "My… more kid ain't gettin raised around that" thing and that's why the previously segment for Amid the Ruins shows her laying/sitting off to the side with Clementine sadly watching her from afar. Combine that with the shots of her and Carver together and maybe she would've been looking after Rebecca and keeping her health up or something.
That makes sense, but then it would sound like like the other survivors get less screen-time if Clem isn't staying/sleeping with them.
I'm still not following. Where did you hear this?
It's just a logical conclusion of the realization that many of Season2!Kenny's sce… morenes were likely meant for Carlos at first. There's some old threads discussing it. Basically, the story would likely go:
* He is a leader and overprotective father with hidden issues with aggression
* He butted heads with his evil counterpart Carver
* Is very overprotective of his female loved one to the point of insisting doing things for her and keeping her away from any conflict
* He and Clementine would start working together and trusting each other before and after Carver captures them
* He would lead the group in aggressively planning to fight back with Luke being absent
* He, Clementine, and Sarah would be forced to ally with Mike/"Ralph" in getting the walkie talkie to Luke
* Carver would beat him when the escape is busted
* After the defecting Bonnie springs them from the pin, he and … [view original content]
...Oh my goodness, you're probably right! I always just assumed she was originally supposed to do some kitchen and baby work alongside Rebecca and Sarita, since the bucket looked like it was pretty heavy.
since the teaser also shows her doing work under Troy's supervision.
er wasn't that was still in the game, they just altered how it looked with Troy watching Clem from up high instead of on the ground
I believe it may be because we know Kenny's inside. Sure, he gets emotional and when he gets emotional, he has a mental breakdown. But why does he have this mental breakdown? It is because he cares about the group. When Duck was bitten, he is in denial and tries to fight not because he is a major douchebag, but because he loves his family so much and doesn't want it to happen. When Sarita was bitten, again he had an emotional breakdown, he said some things that offended everyone but wouldn't anyone do that? If you were agonizing over someone really close to you dying wouldn't you be kind of the same way? Also, Kenny has been known since almost the very beginning. And the fact that he lived through season one as a shock to everyone, it makes everyone want to hold on to him that much more. Kenny is one of my favorite Telltale characters (thus my username and profile pic) because he is a very caring person. The moment with him and Clementine in the car and him teaching her how to drive was quite heartwarming. *SpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoiler**Spoiler* When he died in season 3 in the wreck it killed me inside. I felt as if I lost a friend. A friend that I stalked all my life and they have no means of knowing me anyway.
Yep. For all the wild speculation, a lot of the time the changes are really superficial.
Like the rooftop chat with Carver/Clem probably would have been the exact same as in the office. Hell, the dialogue sounds like it was meant for it with the way Carver refers to a horde/herd almost as if they can see it from where they are.
...Oh my goodness, you're probably right! I always just assumed she was originally supposed to do some kitchen and baby work alongside Rebecca and Sarita, since the bucket looked like it was pretty heavy.
Yep. For all the wild speculation, a lot of the time the changes are really superficial.
Yeah, pretty much. Granted, I think things like Jane in particular are hints of huge changes to the story as a whole, but we're admittedly limited to what we know happened, rumors/confirmations about what was originally happen, and things like the achievements, unused models, and plot points that go nowhere to fill in the blanks.
Like the rooftop chat with Carver/Clem probably would have been the exact same as in the office. Hell, the dialogue sounds like it was meant for it with the way Carver refers to a horde/herd almost as if they can see it from where they are.
Probably so. Maybe didn't wanna rip off Lion King or something.
Yep. For all the wild speculation, a lot of the time the changes are really superficial.
Like the rooftop chat with Carver/Clem probably … morewould have been the exact same as in the office. Hell, the dialogue sounds like it was meant for it with the way Carver refers to a horde/herd almost as if they can see it from where they are.
one of the thing that gets me annoyed the worst is when people say they hate Kenny because he yelled at Clementine after sarita s death.
His Girlfriend just died... and depending on your choices you just happen to have caused her to die quicker than with a bite because you thought Cutting off the Arm of someone in the middle of a horde of zombies was gonna work (( Im one of the few that did not cut off Sarita s arm in my first playthought <_< and yes it is bullshit that Kenny yells at you either way althought he doesnt just say that Its Clem s fault and other things like that)).
This thread reminds me of a comment i saw in a youtube video when episode 4 Was first released telling people that Sarita should have ´´Walked it off´´ and yes that person was serious.
I dont known why people seemed to forget for that Choice that there were walkers close to them and that Walkers are attracted Mainly By Noise and If Lee could not ´´Walk it off´´ Why would sarita be able to? ((If your main point was Larry then i would not have butted in as while i do agree with what Kenny did i can understand why people would not like what he did since Larry could have still been alive ))
EDIT: Also why are we still talking about Jane vs Kenny after the flashbacks?
i dont known about everyone else but i dont think it matters anymore since i feel Pity for Jane even thought i used to hate her after the Bad writing Syndrome attacked Both Jane and Kenny on a new frontier.
Sarita didn't marry him. Hell, I don't even think it was solidified that they were even going together.
Sarita should have ´´Walked it off´´ and yes that person was serious.
I dont known why people seemed to forget for that Choice that there were walkers close to them and that Walkers are attracted Mainly By Noise and If Lee could not ´´Walk it off´´ Why would sarita be able to?
one of the thing that gets me annoyed the worst is when people say they hate Kenny because he yelled at Clementine after sarita s death.
Hi… mores Girlfriend just died... and depending on your choices you just happen to have caused her to die quicker than with a bite because you thought Cutting off the Arm of someone in the middle of a horde of zombies was gonna work (( Im one of the few that did not cut off Sarita s arm in my first playthought <_< and yes it is bullshit that Kenny yells at you either way althought he doesnt just say that Its Clem s fault and other things like that)).
This thread reminds me of a comment i saw in a youtube video when episode 4 Was first released telling people that Sarita should have ´´Walked it off´´ and yes that person was serious.
I dont known why people seemed to forget for that Choice that there were walkers close to them and that Walkers are attracted Mainly By Noise and If Lee could not ´´Walk it o… [view original content]
His wife just died...
Sarita didn't marry him. Hell, I don't even think it was solidified that they were even going together.
… moreSarita should have ´´Walked it off´´ and yes that person was serious.
I dont known why people seemed to forget for that Choice that there were walkers close to them and that Walkers are attracted Mainly By Noise and If Lee could not ´´Walk it off´´ Why would sarita be able to?
This.
I don't even think it was solidified that they were going together
Kenny introduces her as his girl and says she is beautiful while Sarita is smiling and putting her hand on his shoulder. It is implied Sarita saved him and they traveled together for a while before living with Walter and Matthew. He is distraught over her death and later reveals that he loved her. 100% sure they were together.
His wife just died...
Sarita didn't marry him. Hell, I don't even think it was solidified that they were even going together.
… moreSarita should have ´´Walked it off´´ and yes that person was serious.
I dont known why people seemed to forget for that Choice that there were walkers close to them and that Walkers are attracted Mainly By Noise and If Lee could not ´´Walk it off´´ Why would sarita be able to?
This.
I don't even think it was solidified that they were going together
Kenny introduces her as his girl and says she is beautiful while … moreSarita is smiling and putting her hand on his shoulder. It is implied Sarita saved him and they traveled together for a while before living with Walter and Matthew. He is distraught over her death and later reveals that he loved her. 100% sure they were together.
Yep, agree with you on Jane feeling shoved in there. Even though I've warmed up to her.
Honestly, at this point looking back Kenny feels more out of place than she does. It's just like "fuck this new cabin group, here's ol' Kenny again!"
Yep. For all the wild speculation, a lot of the time the changes are really superficial.
Yeah, pretty much. Granted, I think things … morelike Jane in particular are hints of huge changes to the story as a whole, but we're admittedly limited to what we know happened, rumors/confirmations about what was originally happen, and things like the achievements, unused models, and plot points that go nowhere to fill in the blanks.
Like the rooftop chat with Carver/Clem probably would have been the exact same as in the office. Hell, the dialogue sounds like it was meant for it with the way Carver refers to a horde/herd almost as if they can see it from where they are.
Probably so. Maybe didn't wanna rip off Lion King or something.
I despise Kenneth. In Season 1, I felt bad for him. But I still thought he was a dickstain. And in season 2, I had every reason and right to dislike him.
Love that, I felt the same but now I'm more mellowed out, I'm not too fussed about him anymore, he wasn't ever really a good friend to Clem anyway, so fuck him
I despise Kenneth. In Season 1, I felt bad for him. But I still thought he was a dickstain. And in season 2, I had every reason and right to dislike him.
Yep, agree with you on Jane feeling shoved in there. Even though I've warmed up to her.
Eh, she did little to endear me to her besides offend me personally. Still, I wanna say she or an equivalent character may have existed in the original drafts in some shape or form; wanna give the story directors some credit.
Honestly, at this point looking back Kenny feels more out of place than she does. It's just like "fuck this new cabin group, here's ol' Kenny again!"
Agreed. While I outright hate her and have taken to saying "if Kenny derailed the Season's story, Jane flat out aborted it," I actually like the concept of her character at least enough think she's more relevant to what it supposed to be about and would've been fine with a number of tweaks here and there. Kenny, on the other hand, is clearly there because the writers didn't have faith in the story they were supposed to be telling and just opted to appeal to nostalgia, pandering, and "fanservice" to keep people interested rather than tell a fully cohesive story. And it's a shame too, since I genuinely think it still could've been good without him hogging the spotlight, but it seems making the story about him is the main source of the issues with Luke, Carlos, Carver, maybe Nick/Sarah, Arvo, and even Jane's roles in the grand scheme of things.
Yep, agree with you on Jane feeling shoved in there. Even though I've warmed up to her.
Honestly, at this point looking back Kenny feels more out of place than she does. It's just like "fuck this new cabin group, here's ol' Kenny again!"
No offense OP, but anyone who thinks that Jane is better than Kenny creeps me out.
Kenny was always selfless and always right.
Jane is literally the most selfish person in the whole of the Walking Dead game series.
I won't lie, I think she's cute. In a dirty sort of way.
Her loner shtick endeared herself to me, reminded me of... me, back in high school. Not that it's a good thing, but I felt a connection. No stopping that feeling.
Yeah, Kenny is a magician, just watch as he makes the other characters roles in the plot gradually disappear.
Yep, agree with you on Jane feeling shoved in there. Even though I've warmed up to her.
Eh, she did little to endear me to her besid… morees offend me personally. Still, I wanna say she or an equivalent character may have existed in the original drafts in some shape or form; wanna give the story directors some credit.
Honestly, at this point looking back Kenny feels more out of place than she does. It's just like "fuck this new cabin group, here's ol' Kenny again!"
Agreed. While I outright hate her and have taken to saying "if Kenny derailed the Season's story, Jane flat out aborted it," I actually like the concept of her character at least enough think she's more relevant to what it supposed to be about and would've been fine with a number of tweaks here and there. Kenny, on the other hand, is clearly there because the writers didn't have faith in the story they were supposed to be telling and just opted to appeal to nostalgi… [view original content]
You must be creeped out by quite a few people on here then
Seriously though, nobody was always right about everything in this game. Nobody. Do you have any idea how dull a character would be if they were 100% correct about everything?
No offense OP, but anyone who thinks that Jane is better than Kenny creeps me out.
Kenny was always selfless and always right.
Jane is literally the most selfish person in the whole of the Walking Dead game series.
Only Clem can convince Kenny to stop fighting Arvo,
You know, if this is what was happening, I think everyone would be a little more tolerating of him in the middle of that episode. Sure, I'd probably still laugh in a different context of disbelief, but he'd look slightly less like an asshole.
I won't lie, I think she's cute. In a dirty sort of way.
Her loner shtick endeared herself to me, reminded me of... me, back in high school. Not that it's a good thing, but I felt a connection. No stopping that feeling.
That's kinda the point, since she's clearly designed to be as superficially appealing as possible, right down to her non-standard character design and easy archetypes. Kinda like Clementine except less appealing.
I won't lie, I think she's cute. In a dirty sort of way.
Her loner shtick endeared herself to me, reminded me of... me, back in high school… more. Not that it's a good thing, but I felt a connection. No stopping that feeling.
Yeah, Kenny is a magician, just watch as he makes the other characters roles in the plot gradually disappear.
I won't lie, I think she's cute. In a dirty sort of way.
Her loner shtick endeared herself to me, reminded me of... me, back in high scho… moreol. Not that it's a good thing, but I felt a connection. No stopping that feeling.
That's kinda the point, since she's clearly designed to be as superficially appealing as possible, right down to her non-standard character design and easy archetypes. Kinda like Clementine except less appealing.
In the context of a series where most of the characters are flawed but mostly sympathetic, I'd say yes; though admittedly, I should've specified compared to everyone else. Compare Jane's design to literally any other female character's in the first two seasons and you'll see what I mean.
I liked Kenny during Season 1, but Season 2 is where I turned on him. He treated Clementine like crap and I got sick of it. He just lost what made Kenny Kenny.
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Right. The foreshadowing with Luke saying that Carver won't do anything "not nice". And then later on he would have been the one to beat the shit out of Carver with a crowbar? Makes sense.
Damn, I hadn't made that connection. Now I wish their surrogate-mother/daughter relationship had been properly developed.
And that thumbnail still weirds me out. Was she going to give birth? Why are they locked/trapped in the bathroom? Maybe we were going to see more of Howe's. I wonder if the Pen even existed at that stage in development.
You hurt me...:origin()/pre12/2add/th/pre/f/2014/250/2/4/sad_kenny_edit_by_zorasteam-d7ycgmn.jpg)
This thread right now.
So true lmao
When you think about it logically, both of them were out of control near the end. I had a seriously close attachment to Kenny because of everything we went through with him over S1 and S2, so I had quite a hard time coming to grips with his instability. But even then I saw that aggression and that instability quite clearly, it's what scared me more than anything when he completley loses it near the end of No Going Back
But Jane was no saint either, she showed she had so little empathy for anyone other than herself in the end. I began to feel I could trust her right up to the point in which she willingly puts AJs life at risk so she could edge Kenny into a confrontation; it was the biggest betrayal for me. To have me sit there and shoot someone I had such a close attachment to only to realise it all could have been avoided if Jane didn't feel she had to go so far to prove her point.
So I left her right there on the side of that road because I just couldn't forgive her for using me like that, for making me kill my close friend and lying to me to make me do it.
Season 2 ended such a sad way for me
And the whole "we need to get Kenny's help" thing? Him as well, though I can't say I approve of what that implies.
Yeah, it was definitely something she and Alvin could've had emphasized a bit given their huge contribution to the plot and Series. Would've helped make things more personal for Clementine.
I believe she may've been suffering from some severe pains and/or stress due to being back at Howe's, Alvin being tortured/killed, and her going to labor soon. Or maybe she was gonna get attacked or something at one point, since the title was In Cold Blood.
I'm sorry, you've lost me. say what now?
just wondering what role Clem would have played in all that
Bonnie would've been asking Clementine to get Carlos to come out of the random tent after Sarah was presumbably hurt/lost or something.
Who knows? As far as I can tell, I guess Caver was originally being serious about the whole "My kid ain't gettin raised around that" thing and that's why the previously segment for Amid the Ruins shows her laying/sitting off to the side with Clementine sadly watching her from afar. Combine that with the shots of her and Carver together and maybe she would've been looking after Rebecca and keeping her health up or something.
I'm still not following. Where did you hear this?
That makes sense, but then it would sound like like the other survivors get less screen-time if Clem isn't staying/sleeping with them.
In a survival of the fittest situation, and if one chooses to adopt that mindset, then everyone is a liability.
It's just a logical conclusion of the realization that many of Season2!Kenny's scenes were likely meant for Carlos at first. There's some old threads discussing it. Basically, the story would likely go:
Those broken glasses is from the achievement you get after completing In Harm's Way and the Save file Chapter for the Walkie Talkie Rendesvouz has Sarah in it despite her not being there in the final game
Yeah, that was my thought as well. Maybe she'd visit them occasionally when she either has free time or working together, since the teaser also shows her doing work under Troy's supervision.
er wasn't that was still in the game, they just altered how it looked with Troy watching Clem from up high instead of on the ground
...Oh my goodness, you're probably right! I always just assumed she was originally supposed to do some kitchen and baby work alongside Rebecca and Sarita, since the bucket looked like it was pretty heavy.
I believe it may be because we know Kenny's inside. Sure, he gets emotional and when he gets emotional, he has a mental breakdown. But why does he have this mental breakdown? It is because he cares about the group. When Duck was bitten, he is in denial and tries to fight not because he is a major douchebag, but because he loves his family so much and doesn't want it to happen. When Sarita was bitten, again he had an emotional breakdown, he said some things that offended everyone but wouldn't anyone do that? If you were agonizing over someone really close to you dying wouldn't you be kind of the same way? Also, Kenny has been known since almost the very beginning. And the fact that he lived through season one as a shock to everyone, it makes everyone want to hold on to him that much more. Kenny is one of my favorite Telltale characters (thus my username and profile pic) because he is a very caring person. The moment with him and Clementine in the car and him teaching her how to drive was quite heartwarming. *SpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoilerSpoiler**Spoiler* When he died in season 3 in the wreck it killed me inside. I felt as if I lost a friend. A friend that I stalked all my life and they have no means of knowing me anyway.
Yep. For all the wild speculation, a lot of the time the changes are really superficial.
Like the rooftop chat with Carver/Clem probably would have been the exact same as in the office. Hell, the dialogue sounds like it was meant for it with the way Carver refers to a horde/herd almost as if they can see it from where they are.
Yeah, pretty much. Granted, I think things like Jane in particular are hints of huge changes to the story as a whole, but we're admittedly limited to what we know happened, rumors/confirmations about what was originally happen, and things like the achievements, unused models, and plot points that go nowhere to fill in the blanks.
Probably so. Maybe didn't wanna rip off Lion King or something.
The hell?
one of the thing that gets me annoyed the worst is when people say they hate Kenny because he yelled at Clementine after sarita s death.
His Girlfriend just died... and depending on your choices you just happen to have caused her to die quicker than with a bite because you thought Cutting off the Arm of someone in the middle of a horde of zombies was gonna work (( Im one of the few that did not cut off Sarita s arm in my first playthought <_< and yes it is bullshit that Kenny yells at you either way althought he doesnt just say that Its Clem s fault and other things like that)).
This thread reminds me of a comment i saw in a youtube video when episode 4 Was first released telling people that Sarita should have ´´Walked it off´´ and yes that person was serious.
I dont known why people seemed to forget for that Choice that there were walkers close to them and that Walkers are attracted Mainly By Noise and If Lee could not ´´Walk it off´´ Why would sarita be able to? ((If your main point was Larry then i would not have butted in as while i do agree with what Kenny did i can understand why people would not like what he did since Larry could have still been alive ))
EDIT: Also why are we still talking about Jane vs Kenny after the flashbacks?
i dont known about everyone else but i dont think it matters anymore since i feel Pity for Jane even thought i used to hate her after the Bad writing Syndrome attacked Both Jane and Kenny on a new frontier.
just for u
Because that totally answers everything.
You know what, given how Season 2's hype train apparently went, I'm surprised there hasn't been any rival threads about Lilly, Luke, or Jane yet.
Sarita didn't marry him. Hell, I don't even think it was solidified that they were even going together.
This.
Because Kenny is Jesus
Sorry meant to put girlfriend im gonna edit that.
Kenny introduces her as his girl and says she is beautiful while Sarita is smiling and putting her hand on his shoulder. It is implied Sarita saved him and they traveled together for a while before living with Walter and Matthew. He is distraught over her death and later reveals that he loved her. 100% sure they were together.
Mmm...I suppose that suffices.
Yep, agree with you on Jane feeling shoved in there. Even though I've warmed up to her.
Honestly, at this point looking back Kenny feels more out of place than she does. It's just like "fuck this new cabin group, here's ol' Kenny again!"
I despise Kenneth. In Season 1, I felt bad for him. But I still thought he was a dickstain. And in season 2, I had every reason and right to dislike him.
Love that, I felt the same but now I'm more mellowed out, I'm not too fussed about him anymore, he wasn't ever really a good friend to Clem anyway, so fuck him
Eh, she did little to endear me to her besides offend me personally. Still, I wanna say she or an equivalent character may have existed in the original drafts in some shape or form; wanna give the story directors some credit.
Agreed. While I outright hate her and have taken to saying "if Kenny derailed the Season's story, Jane flat out aborted it," I actually like the concept of her character at least enough think she's more relevant to what it supposed to be about and would've been fine with a number of tweaks here and there. Kenny, on the other hand, is clearly there because the writers didn't have faith in the story they were supposed to be telling and just opted to appeal to nostalgia, pandering, and "fanservice" to keep people interested rather than tell a fully cohesive story. And it's a shame too, since I genuinely think it still could've been good without him hogging the spotlight, but it seems making the story about him is the main source of the issues with Luke, Carlos, Carver, maybe Nick/Sarah, Arvo, and even Jane's roles in the grand scheme of things.
No offense OP, but anyone who thinks that Jane is better than Kenny creeps me out.
Kenny was always selfless and always right.
Jane is literally the most selfish person in the whole of the Walking Dead game series.
T'was no woman... T'was a beast from teh depths of HELL!!!!
I won't lie, I think she's cute. In a dirty sort of way.
Her loner shtick endeared herself to me, reminded me of... me, back in high school. Not that it's a good thing, but I felt a connection. No stopping that feeling.
Yeah, Kenny is a magician, just watch as he makes the other characters roles in the plot gradually disappear.
You must be creeped out by quite a few people on here then
Seriously though, nobody was always right about everything in this game. Nobody. Do you have any idea how dull a character would be if they were 100% correct about everything?
You know, if this is what was happening, I think everyone would be a little more tolerating of him in the middle of that episode. Sure, I'd probably still laugh in a different context of disbelief, but he'd look slightly less like an asshole.
That's kinda the point, since she's clearly designed to be as superficially appealing as possible, right down to her non-standard character design and easy archetypes. Kinda like Clementine except less appealing.
do these really jive together?
In the context of a series where most of the characters are flawed but mostly sympathetic, I'd say yes; though admittedly, I should've specified compared to everyone else. Compare Jane's design to literally any other female character's in the first two seasons and you'll see what I mean.
I liked Kenny during Season 1, but Season 2 is where I turned on him. He treated Clementine like crap and I got sick of it. He just lost what made Kenny Kenny.