This character people keep referring to as "Clem" isn't even the Clem from previous seasons though.
Only in same name and voice actress does this bland, tiresome, uninvesting, uninteresting, undeveloped, and uncharacterized blob of anti-personality still exist the same traits of previous seasons' Clem.
So then what is it that still draws people to her? Is that people confuse being a "badass" with giving off a flourish of disapproval at every chance she gets, constantly shifting her hips while placing her hand on her side with her nose stuck up into the air or shooting at the protagonist cause how dare he be concerned with letting his brother in from a horde because consequence doesn't exist for her the same way it does for anyone else that did something like that.
Or is it that she's still got that hat on, being the only recognizable thing to her cause Christ knows she looks more like a slightly ethnic pageant runner-up rather than a severely damaged child survivor whose lived through trauma even Somali POW's couldn't fathom?
Clem ain't shit anymore but a plot write off for the narrative to continue trudging through the same miasmic conflict we've seen a million times now.
i wonder if this whole uproar would have been mute had we NOT played as Clem in Season 2
Honestly, yeah I fell in love with clem in S1 - because I was her protector, her mentor. Everything I did in the game was all geared around her needs, keeping her happy. Because she was 8 and helpless and needed me. I get the impression that's why a lot of people fell in love with Clem in S1 and it's by far the biggest thing that S1 got right. I just wish that the "I'll miss you" dialogue at the end actually said "I love you"
S2 for me, I don't know. I did enjoy it and it's moments but I didn't feel the same about Clem. I think they tried to go too grown up and badass too quickly. To me the shift felt unrealistic. I know she would have grown to an extent but bearing in mind her biggest fear is being alone I can't see how she would have coped with some of the stuff from S2 without at least adult guidance
S3 just gets worse. I honestly thought we'd time skipped to her being like 18-19 because she's cold as steel. And with no reason (that's displayed to the player at least) I think it also doesn't help that no choices carry over (I told my Clem in S1 about not shooting people as it changes you, cut to S3 she has no problem holding a gun to someone else's head and pulling the trigger. With or without knowledge of whether the bullets work or not, that's just something my Clem wouldn't have done)
For me, S3 has got only ONE thing right. Hug Clem. And yeah, I hugged the shit out of that girl with no hesitation. She needed a hug and by god I was gonna give her that hug. Outside of that I don't wanna see Clem again outside of S1. Please Telltale kill her at the end along with everyone else. The walkers win. RIP Walking Dead games
Doesn't mean fuck-all.
Look, Clementine may have been the firs tone seen, but that DOES NOT mean she was the main focus.
It was more or so a thing saying "she's here, but this new guy IS the main focus of the game".
Expecting Telltale to be able write a quality consistent story rather than opting out of the hard work of making a legitimately S3? These people are absolutely unreasonable! As if we should expect decent quality content from telltale.
This character people keep referring to as "Clem" isn't even the Clem from previous seasons though.
Only in same name and voice actress d… moreoes this bland, tiresome, uninvesting, uninteresting, undeveloped, and uncharacterized blob of anti-personality still exist the same traits of previous seasons' Clem.
So then what is it that still draws people to her? Is that people confuse being a "badass" with giving off a flourish of disapproval at every chance she gets, constantly shifting her hips while placing her hand on her side with her nose stuck up into the air or shooting at the protagonist cause how dare he be concerned with letting his brother in from a horde because consequence doesn't exist for her the same way it does for anyone else that did something like that.
Or is it that she's still got that hat on, being the only recognizable thing to her cause Christ knows she looks more like a slightly ethnic pageant runner-up rather than a… [view original content]
You people are so upset because Clementine wasn't the main focus, or that it wasn't a "legitimate" Season 3, or that the flashbacks were crap. I think you people should've seen it coming.
2nd rule of any walking dead realm - everyone dies except for the main characters. I had a feeling that the peeps from season 1/2 would die, so I didn't set the bar too high.
I knew the story would be more about the 'new guy' rather than Clementine, because he was the central focus of the teaser. The zombie had a mark, he had a mark. Granted, everyone was wondering where AJ is and whatnot, be glad Clementine is even in this game!
If you think this game is "slacking off", they could've just left us hanging at the end of Season 2. That could've been it, but TellTale was so gracious to give us a third game.
Expecting Telltale to be able write a quality consistent story rather than opting out of the hard work of making a legitimately S3? These people are absolutely unreasonable! As if we should expect decent quality content from telltale.
I would've happily accepted them ending it after S2 and moving on to new franchises and original content. Also do you really think they would exclude clementine from ANF? they used her as a marketing strategy and to attract old fans to the product who otherwise would have no interest in ANF. Just because they made a 3rd installment doesn't mean we automatically need to be so grateful and praising telltale if the product is bad to its consumer.
You're acting a bit unreasonable ATM.
You people are so upset because Clementine wasn't the main focus, or that it wasn't a "legitimate" … moreSeason 3, or that the flashbacks were crap. I think you people should've seen it coming.
2nd rule of any walking dead realm - everyone dies except for the main characters. I had a feeling that the peeps from season 1/2 would die, so I didn't set the bar too high.
I knew the story would be more about the 'new guy' rather than Clementine, because he was the central focus of the teaser. The zombie had a mark, he had a mark. Granted, everyone was wondering where AJ is and whatnot, be glad Clementine is even in this game!
If you think this game is "slacking off", they could've just left us hanging at the end of Season 2. That could've been it, but TellTale was so gracious to give us a third game.
What the shit? Bruh. Be happy she's even in this game because TT was gracious enough to make it? That's not how business works lol. She's in it because she's a huge draw, and they know this. That why Javier WASN'T the focus of the trailer, regardless of whether they had to pan up so we could see his face since he's so much taller than her. Clem was the climactic reveal, she's the one shown to be taking action while new fella is holding her bullets.
That's a reveal that seems to be more about making fans question what's this guys relation to a major character in the series rather than solely who is this guy. I'm not sure expecting something's that's advertised as a continuation to be a continuation is setting the bar too high, TT didn't even talk about how limited the playing time would be in regards to her part of the story until a week or two before release. And even then, not to the fans, someone noticed it in the description of the Amazon preorder. I'll freely admit they reeled me in with the promise of a sequel, and I hate that I have to see how they handle these finals episodes before I decide whether to buy them or not. Shit, I'd grab two hours of sleep before my alarm went off at 6am during the first two seasons so I could get the episode when it went live.
But I absolutely will not be grateful someone made a product for me to purchase, and just keep on buying. That's insanity.
You're acting a bit unreasonable ATM.
You people are so upset because Clementine wasn't the main focus, or that it wasn't a "legitimate" … moreSeason 3, or that the flashbacks were crap. I think you people should've seen it coming.
2nd rule of any walking dead realm - everyone dies except for the main characters. I had a feeling that the peeps from season 1/2 would die, so I didn't set the bar too high.
I knew the story would be more about the 'new guy' rather than Clementine, because he was the central focus of the teaser. The zombie had a mark, he had a mark. Granted, everyone was wondering where AJ is and whatnot, be glad Clementine is even in this game!
If you think this game is "slacking off", they could've just left us hanging at the end of Season 2. That could've been it, but TellTale was so gracious to give us a third game.
I dunno, you could make some badass responses with her. I generally didn't, and she was far from badass physically, every fight scene was a struggle with her. I'm not really sure how the response would have been to ANF if we didn't play as her, but probably the same since the new guy would still have the problems he currently does. Had S2 not picked up after the cliffhanger ending in S1, I doubt I would have bought it.
i wonder if this whole uproar would have been mute had we NOT played as Clem in Season 2
Honestly, yeah I fell in love with clem in S1 - … morebecause I was her protector, her mentor. Everything I did in the game was all geared around her needs, keeping her happy. Because she was 8 and helpless and needed me. I get the impression that's why a lot of people fell in love with Clem in S1 and it's by far the biggest thing that S1 got right. I just wish that the "I'll miss you" dialogue at the end actually said "I love you"
S2 for me, I don't know. I did enjoy it and it's moments but I didn't feel the same about Clem. I think they tried to go too grown up and badass too quickly. To me the shift felt unrealistic. I know she would have grown to an extent but bearing in mind her biggest fear is being alone I can't see how she would have coped with some of the stuff from S2 without at least adult guidance
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The name on Steam before release used to be "The Walking Dead: A New Frontier (Season 3)" until they decided to remove the "season 3" one day before release lol. There is still evidence of this in the game files. They used "season 3" to get all the pre-orders in and removed it a day before release.
I searched through all the shit on my PS4, and the only three associated with A New Frontier is episode three. The hard drive calls it ANF, the store calls it ANF, so I call it ANF.
This character people keep referring to as "Clem" isn't even the Clem from previous seasons though.
Only in same name and voice actress d… moreoes this bland, tiresome, uninvesting, uninteresting, undeveloped, and uncharacterized blob of anti-personality still exist the same traits of previous seasons' Clem.
So then what is it that still draws people to her? Is that people confuse being a "badass" with giving off a flourish of disapproval at every chance she gets, constantly shifting her hips while placing her hand on her side with her nose stuck up into the air or shooting at the protagonist cause how dare he be concerned with letting his brother in from a horde because consequence doesn't exist for her the same way it does for anyone else that did something like that.
Or is it that she's still got that hat on, being the only recognizable thing to her cause Christ knows she looks more like a slightly ethnic pageant runner-up rather than a… [view original content]
This character people keep referring to as "Clem" isn't even the Clem from previous seasons though.
Only in same name and voice actress d… moreoes this bland, tiresome, uninvesting, uninteresting, undeveloped, and uncharacterized blob of anti-personality still exist the same traits of previous seasons' Clem.
So then what is it that still draws people to her? Is that people confuse being a "badass" with giving off a flourish of disapproval at every chance she gets, constantly shifting her hips while placing her hand on her side with her nose stuck up into the air or shooting at the protagonist cause how dare he be concerned with letting his brother in from a horde because consequence doesn't exist for her the same way it does for anyone else that did something like that.
Or is it that she's still got that hat on, being the only recognizable thing to her cause Christ knows she looks more like a slightly ethnic pageant runner-up rather than a… [view original content]
You proved my point. If the company that produced the game stopped calling it season three before they released that means they had a reason. Would you explain why the PSN doesn't call it season three? Or why if you google WAlking dead game season three the first TellTale related link is way at the bottom and from before the game released?
The name on Steam before release used to be "The Walking Dead: A New Frontier (Season 3)" until they decided to remove the "season 3" one da… morey before release lol. There is still evidence of this in the game files. They used "season 3" to get all the pre-orders in and removed it a day before release.
Also, care to explain why Google Play lists it as "TWD: Season 3"?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.telltalegames.walkingdead300&hl=en_GB
Yeah, reason being to quietly back away from the fact they never made it blatantly clear this was a completely new thing and a departure from the Clem narrative.
As if this was all just some innocent mistake LOL. Yeah TT totally has a season 3 separate from ANF. Then TOTALLY didn't intend to mislead people to buy this game first if that being the case. IDK what point your even making. It would be even more shady if ANF wasn't officially season 3 and an actual named season 3 was coming later.
The reality is, there is no season 3. There was never going to be season 3.
You proved my point. If the company that produced the game stopped calling it season three before they released that means they had a reas… moreon. Would you explain why the PSN doesn't call it season three? Or why if you google WAlking dead game season three the first TellTale related link is way at the bottom and from before the game released?
I´ve got a feeling that a new frontier was something inevitable in order to start a new clem´s story. They should have known that those endings at the end of season 2 was something that they just couldnt carry.
After this season, all the players will end with the same conclusion that will open doors for Telltale to create new(this time) perfect Clementine story.
They didnt say they are planning to end with Walking Dead franchize. The very opposite!
uhm
Yeah, reason being to quietly back away from the fact they never made it blatantly clear this was a completely new thing and a depart… moreure from the Clem narrative.
As if this was all just some innocent mistake LOL. Yeah TT totally has a season 3 separate from ANF. Then TOTALLY didn't intend to mislead people to buy this game first if that being the case. IDK what point your even making. It would be even more shady if ANF wasn't officially season 3 and an actual named season 3 was coming later.
The reality is, there is no season 3. There was never going to be season 3.
The reason why Telltale had made the decision to make Javi the new main character was in response to the toxic anti-Clem sentiment that was prevalent throughout the forum in 2015 and 2016. I think they had created the character Javi as a compromise between the pro and anti-Clem crowd. This was Telltale's way of playing things safe. In reality, that supposed safe decision had backfired because it turns out that the anti-Clem base of the forum was nothing but a vocal minority that did not represent the views of the of the majority of the TWDG fanbase. When the third season was released many of the people from the pro-Clem base came back to the forum to discover that Clem was pushed to the side while Telltale was focusing on Javi. This was when the complaints of Clem's secondary status in the game had overshadowed the anti-Clem sentiment within the forum.
Telltale had failed to know what the majority of fans had wanted for season 3. Instead, Telltale was pressured by a bunch of anti-Clem trolls to make a poor decision which had led the whole series to be derailed.
Wow.....k, that got deep...My point was that what I've seen indicated they knew pretty early on that calling this S3 would be internet death. Somebody somewhere made a decision. The Titles when in the actual game says New Frontier no Walking Dead Season 3: A New Frontier. (I bought Digital on XBONE)It's possible that this is different depending on your platform. I can only speak for myself. My bad lit a match and walked out....sorry bout that
I would've happily accepted them ending it after S2 and moving on to new franchises and original content. Also do you really think they woul… mored exclude clementine from ANF? they used her as a marketing strategy and to attract old fans to the product who otherwise would have no interest in ANF. Just because they made a 3rd installment doesn't mean we automatically need to be so grateful and praising telltale if the product is bad to its consumer.
You gotta remember, most fans were asking if she was gonna be in the game so TellTale decided to put her in there. However, I remember one person saying that TellTale did state that this isn't even a season 3, so people should've seen it coming.
I also gotta remind myself as well; I'm not the one who was highly anticipating this game and I also looked at the trailer from all angles. Not very many people do that, and I realize that. I also realize that people aren't happy with the game solely because clementine wasn't the main focus of it.
What the shit? Bruh. Be happy she's even in this game because TT was gracious enough to make it? That's not how business works lol. She's in… more it because she's a huge draw, and they know this. That why Javier WASN'T the focus of the trailer, regardless of whether they had to pan up so we could see his face since he's so much taller than her. Clem was the climactic reveal, she's the one shown to be taking action while new fella is holding her bullets.
That's a reveal that seems to be more about making fans question what's this guys relation to a major character in the series rather than solely who is this guy. I'm not sure expecting something's that's advertised as a continuation to be a continuation is setting the bar too high, TT didn't even talk about how limited the playing time would be in regards to her part of the story until a week or two before release. And even then, not to the fans, someone noticed it in the description of the Amaz… [view original content]
There is no way Telltalle is that stupid. It was a marketing trick and that's all it was. Kinda make people think the focus is still gonna be on Clem due to the past content.....lack of any real confirmation to the contrary plus the trailer surely helped sell this image. I was totally convinced by the "biggest thing weve ever done" comments, the borderlands style, and the trailer. That we would be playing a possibly more than 5 episode season that saw Clem split like Rhys and Fiona. I felt like it was completely reasonable to assume that to be the case. Play on that note sell to a good portion of the people who will be upset Clem isn't the focus regardless. "newcomers" hear that commotion and hop in too. As annoying as that all is. How much more could it possibly benefit them to eliminate the "need" to play the first two seasons anyways? I can't imagine that group of new players due to this being life changing for them.
The reason why Telltale had made the decision to make Javi the new main character was in response to the toxic anti-Clem sentiment that was … moreprevalent throughout the forum in 2015 and 2016. I think they had created the character Javi as a compromise between the pro and anti-Clem crowd. This was Telltale's way of playing things safe. In reality, that supposed safe decision had backfired because it turns out that the anti-Clem base of the forum was nothing but a vocal minority that did not represent the views of the of the majority of the TWDG fanbase. When the third season was released many of the people from the pro-Clem base came back to the forum to discover that Clem was pushed to the side while Telltale was focusing on Javi. This was when the complaints of Clem's secondary status in the game had overshadowed the anti-Clem sentiment within the forum.
Telltale had failed to know what the majority of fans had wanted for season 3. Instead, … [view original content]
I dont even see the logic behind eliminating the need to play previous seasons, previous seasons are still perfectly playable, and very good games, and due to the cartoony artstyle, I dont even think about the graphics (frankly, anything after half life 2 has been great graphics for me, sure its nice with all the fancy new stuff, but as long as the game looks realistic enough, or has a nice artstyle, its fine).
Like, you dont start watching a series at season 3, who even does that? why would you find a series and think, "fuck the story, I am starting at season 3"
There is no way Telltalle is that stupid. It was a marketing trick and that's all it was. Kinda make people think the focus is still gonna b… moree on Clem due to the past content.....lack of any real confirmation to the contrary plus the trailer surely helped sell this image. I was totally convinced by the "biggest thing weve ever done" comments, the borderlands style, and the trailer. That we would be playing a possibly more than 5 episode season that saw Clem split like Rhys and Fiona. I felt like it was completely reasonable to assume that to be the case. Play on that note sell to a good portion of the people who will be upset Clem isn't the focus regardless. "newcomers" hear that commotion and hop in too. As annoying as that all is. How much more could it possibly benefit them to eliminate the "need" to play the first two seasons anyways? I can't imagine that group of new players due to this being life changing for them.
Exactly, and to one up it you could play season TWO and not really need the first season to entirely follow it. While continuing Clems story it's basically entirely stand alone. I can't imagine there being many people who were like....blehh ill pass on this cause I didn't play season 1 or 2. Yet that's exactly how TT seemed to go about it...
But thats the only explanation for me that they would pretty much replace Clem. Yet be really quiet about it and basically promote the game in a way that pretty much hides this...shady. They wanted all of us who were eager as hell to continue her story to buy this ASAP and be upset after the fact we spent some money. There is just no reason to do what they did other than some kind of belief they can somehow sell more this way. Which I don't even think is true.
I dont even see the logic behind eliminating the need to play previous seasons, previous seasons are still perfectly playable, and very good… more games, and due to the cartoony artstyle, I dont even think about the graphics (frankly, anything after half life 2 has been great graphics for me, sure its nice with all the fancy new stuff, but as long as the game looks realistic enough, or has a nice artstyle, its fine).
Like, you dont start watching a series at season 3, who even does that? why would you find a series and think, "fuck the story, I am starting at season 3"
Seeing how she's barely around and forced into the story why not just leave her out?
And telltale knew the constant promoting of clementine would result in fans of the series purchasing the game. Looking back its quite obvious that they put her in for marketing and primitive fan appeal seeing how she contributes little to nothing to the plot and was horribly forced into EP3 if you shot conrad. Telltale had no intention of utilizing clementine as a main character or even a legitimate supporting character as shown from the poorly executed flashbacks and serving little purpose to the story.
It didn't seem like TT was too keen on pointing it out if they didn't consider it season 3, most of the major gaming sites reported it and posted the trailer as Season 3, and still refer to it as such. Even Job still refers to the game as season 3, and he's supposed to be our bridge to the company.
But truthfully, I wouldn't have been disappointed if the new character was brought in with a more even split in playtime. The first real information we got from TT around E3 was there would he new character playable in addition to Clementine, I thought it could he cool to see the story from too different sides. Javier is far from playable in addition to Clementine, though, he's pretty much the only playable character save for a 4/5 minute interactive cutscene each episode. It just seems a far cry from how it was initially presented and described until 3 weeks before release, it was pretty little notice. I dunno, it is what it is.
You gotta remember, most fans were asking if she was gonna be in the game so TellTale decided to put her in there. However, I remember one p… moreerson saying that TellTale did state that this isn't even a season 3, so people should've seen it coming.
I also gotta remind myself as well; I'm not the one who was highly anticipating this game and I also looked at the trailer from all angles. Not very many people do that, and I realize that. I also realize that people aren't happy with the game solely because clementine wasn't the main focus of it.
Fortunately, sales are doing abysmal right now (on Steam, not sure about other platforms but it gives us a good idea). Tons of refunds, stuck at the 145k area for 4 months since release, highest they've gone up to was arouns 180k near release and it's back to 145k now. Money is what Telltale listens to so these sales should hopefully help.
Exactly, and to one up it you could play season TWO and not really need the first season to entirely follow it. While continuing Clems story… more it's basically entirely stand alone. I can't imagine there being many people who were like....blehh ill pass on this cause I didn't play season 1 or 2. Yet that's exactly how TT seemed to go about it...
But thats the only explanation for me that they would pretty much replace Clem. Yet be really quiet about it and basically promote the game in a way that pretty much hides this...shady. They wanted all of us who were eager as hell to continue her story to buy this ASAP and be upset after the fact we spent some money. There is just no reason to do what they did other than some kind of belief they can somehow sell more this way. Which I don't even think is true.
Yeah, I said this a few hours ago on a different thread:
"If they actually did this it would be its own stand-alone game. If Clementine +… more AJ wasn't involved in the story at all in ANF, then this might of well have been a similar Michonne story. I think it would have been a good step in the direction so they could actually focus on our S2 EP5 endings for SEASON 3."
The story in ANF isn't down-right terrible, there are some very well done sections like saving Conrad. But it's still a slap in the face to have this new story with a completely different person when all of S1 and S2 has been with Clementine.
I think it would be best to make ANF non-canon and to think about rewinding. That's what I'd do in this situation even if it'd piss off a ton of people.
First let me say this. This is not S3. It is called ANF for a reason. To set it apart from the previous games as to be welcomeing. to noobs.… more Secondly I am a huge Clem fan, and I wish we would just STFU sometimes and let the story come to us. We are all reacting to an unfinished. product. That hardly seems fair. And finally I'll end this way I want to control Clem always,but that may never be a thing again if we as a community don't start treating TTG staff better on Social media..
I agree. It seems to me like there are two stories going on here. The Walking Dead game is primarily based on Clem. She has been a core character since Season 1. And while I appreciate the Javier diversion and such, I think it should have been a different series and a stand-alone. Even if they were going to do a crossover with Clem, they definitely should not have just made Clementine;s story secondary in service of making Javier's primary.
I feel that in this season half the story that should have been told, but that is sort of passively addressed in flashbacks, is Clementine's story since the events of Season 2. That could have been an entire season by itself and New Frontier could have been its own thing. They did a huge disservice to both the character of Clem as well as the fans.
Imagine if on the TV show, Rick suddenly stops being the protagonist and it all evolved around Ezekiel and his issues, with Rick being the side-kick. That is pretty much exactly what they did here.
Dont get me wrong, I enjoy this season so far (well not as much as I did S1 and 2) but it really irks me to not be able to play Clem and have her relegated to side kick. Season 3 should have been HER story and New Frontier a game within the Walking Dead Universe. Major fail there Telltale. Sorry to say...
Just came back to visit. I don't think I'm setting the bar too high here. Clementine should mostly be the focus for ANF because she's one of the most important characters to this series. She doesn't have to be a protagonist (although with the state of S2 EP5 endings that can be questioned). I was hyped to hell from S2 EP5 endings directly because of what I had chosen with Clementine. Let me just put this into perspective here (Excuse the angry shit)
A character, who you've been with for two whole seasons dies in a five minute flashback. Dying is alright, but not in five fucking minutes.
Jane kills herself for being stupid and not letting Luke wear a condom.
One line of dialogue for the family that you either let in or don't let in.
WHERE THE FUCK WERE THE PEOPLE INSIDE WELLINGTON?! Did Edith lie?! Is she one of the only people there? OVER-CAPACITY MY ASS!! HOW COME WE NEVER GET TO SEE WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE? A lot of S2 is the characters pushing onto Wellington. Heck we never get to learn about how the New Frontier first arrived here or are attacking Wellington OR HOW THEY EVEN GOT IN DID YOU EVEN SEE THE WALLS LIKE WTF?!?!?!?!
The alone ending makes the most sense because it tied up all the loose ends.
You see what I'm getting at? Clementine was supposed to be our main focus, but NOOOOOOPE! They threw it out because they couldn't be arsed to make these branching paths more meaningful. Having our expectations a little too high? Why bother making all these alternate paths IF ITS GOING TO RESULT IN NOWHERE?! WHAT IS THE POINT IN THAT?!
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Get over it, because Javi is the focus of the game.
You're also a good example of someone who set the bar a bit too high.
This character people keep referring to as "Clem" isn't even the Clem from previous seasons though.
Only in same name and voice actress does this bland, tiresome, uninvesting, uninteresting, undeveloped, and uncharacterized blob of anti-personality still exist the same traits of previous seasons' Clem.
So then what is it that still draws people to her? Is that people confuse being a "badass" with giving off a flourish of disapproval at every chance she gets, constantly shifting her hips while placing her hand on her side with her nose stuck up into the air or shooting at the protagonist cause how dare he be concerned with letting his brother in from a horde because consequence doesn't exist for her the same way it does for anyone else that did something like that.
Or is it that she's still got that hat on, being the only recognizable thing to her cause Christ knows she looks more like a slightly ethnic pageant runner-up rather than a severely damaged child survivor whose lived through trauma even Somali POW's couldn't fathom?
Clem ain't shit anymore but a plot write off for the narrative to continue trudging through the same miasmic conflict we've seen a million times now.
i wonder if this whole uproar would have been mute had we NOT played as Clem in Season 2
Honestly, yeah I fell in love with clem in S1 - because I was her protector, her mentor. Everything I did in the game was all geared around her needs, keeping her happy. Because she was 8 and helpless and needed me. I get the impression that's why a lot of people fell in love with Clem in S1 and it's by far the biggest thing that S1 got right. I just wish that the "I'll miss you" dialogue at the end actually said "I love you"
S2 for me, I don't know. I did enjoy it and it's moments but I didn't feel the same about Clem. I think they tried to go too grown up and badass too quickly. To me the shift felt unrealistic. I know she would have grown to an extent but bearing in mind her biggest fear is being alone I can't see how she would have coped with some of the stuff from S2 without at least adult guidance
S3 just gets worse. I honestly thought we'd time skipped to her being like 18-19 because she's cold as steel. And with no reason (that's displayed to the player at least) I think it also doesn't help that no choices carry over (I told my Clem in S1 about not shooting people as it changes you, cut to S3 she has no problem holding a gun to someone else's head and pulling the trigger. With or without knowledge of whether the bullets work or not, that's just something my Clem wouldn't have done)
For me, S3 has got only ONE thing right. Hug Clem. And yeah, I hugged the shit out of that girl with no hesitation. She needed a hug and by god I was gonna give her that hug. Outside of that I don't wanna see Clem again outside of S1. Please Telltale kill her at the end along with everyone else. The walkers win. RIP Walking Dead games
It means everything, the marketing team knew what they were doing.
Expecting Telltale to be able write a quality consistent story rather than opting out of the hard work of making a legitimately S3? These people are absolutely unreasonable! As if we should expect decent quality content from telltale.
I agree on most of your analysis of clementine which I haven't thought about from that perspective.
You're acting a bit unreasonable ATM.
You people are so upset because Clementine wasn't the main focus, or that it wasn't a "legitimate" Season 3, or that the flashbacks were crap. I think you people should've seen it coming.
2nd rule of any walking dead realm - everyone dies except for the main characters. I had a feeling that the peeps from season 1/2 would die, so I didn't set the bar too high.
I knew the story would be more about the 'new guy' rather than Clementine, because he was the central focus of the teaser. The zombie had a mark, he had a mark. Granted, everyone was wondering where AJ is and whatnot, be glad Clementine is even in this game!
If you think this game is "slacking off", they could've just left us hanging at the end of Season 2. That could've been it, but TellTale was so gracious to give us a third game.
"We have the most beloved video game character from recent years at our disposal, lets focus on some random generic family instead"
-Telltale logic
I would've happily accepted them ending it after S2 and moving on to new franchises and original content. Also do you really think they would exclude clementine from ANF? they used her as a marketing strategy and to attract old fans to the product who otherwise would have no interest in ANF. Just because they made a 3rd installment doesn't mean we automatically need to be so grateful and praising telltale if the product is bad to its consumer.
What the shit? Bruh. Be happy she's even in this game because TT was gracious enough to make it? That's not how business works lol. She's in it because she's a huge draw, and they know this. That why Javier WASN'T the focus of the trailer, regardless of whether they had to pan up so we could see his face since he's so much taller than her. Clem was the climactic reveal, she's the one shown to be taking action while new fella is holding her bullets.
That's a reveal that seems to be more about making fans question what's this guys relation to a major character in the series rather than solely who is this guy. I'm not sure expecting something's that's advertised as a continuation to be a continuation is setting the bar too high, TT didn't even talk about how limited the playing time would be in regards to her part of the story until a week or two before release. And even then, not to the fans, someone noticed it in the description of the Amazon preorder. I'll freely admit they reeled me in with the promise of a sequel, and I hate that I have to see how they handle these finals episodes before I decide whether to buy them or not. Shit, I'd grab two hours of sleep before my alarm went off at 6am during the first two seasons so I could get the episode when it went live.
But I absolutely will not be grateful someone made a product for me to purchase, and just keep on buying. That's insanity.
I dunno, you could make some badass responses with her. I generally didn't, and she was far from badass physically, every fight scene was a struggle with her. I'm not really sure how the response would have been to ANF if we didn't play as her, but probably the same since the new guy would still have the problems he currently does. Had S2 not picked up after the cliffhanger ending in S1, I doubt I would have bought it.
The name on Steam before release used to be "The Walking Dead: A New Frontier (Season 3)" until they decided to remove the "season 3" one day before release lol. There is still evidence of this in the game files. They used "season 3" to get all the pre-orders in and removed it a day before release.
Also, care to explain why Google Play lists it as "TWD: Season 3"?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.telltalegames.walkingdead300&hl=en_GB
Yeah, I'm really not the cynical type, but I honestly don't really care about her that much this installment.
A Clementine is a Clementine no matter how orange.
You proved my point. If the company that produced the game stopped calling it season three before they released that means they had a reason. Would you explain why the PSN doesn't call it season three? Or why if you google WAlking dead game season three the first TellTale related link is way at the bottom and from before the game released?
And a shitty character is a shitty character no matter how Clementine they seem to be alike.
Amen.
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Yeah, reason being to quietly back away from the fact they never made it blatantly clear this was a completely new thing and a departure from the Clem narrative.
As if this was all just some innocent mistake LOL. Yeah TT totally has a season 3 separate from ANF. Then TOTALLY didn't intend to mislead people to buy this game first if that being the case. IDK what point your even making. It would be even more shady if ANF wasn't officially season 3 and an actual named season 3 was coming later.
The reality is, there is no season 3. There was never going to be season 3.
I´ve got a feeling that a new frontier was something inevitable in order to start a new clem´s story. They should have known that those endings at the end of season 2 was something that they just couldnt carry.
After this season, all the players will end with the same conclusion that will open doors for Telltale to create new(this time) perfect Clementine story.
They didnt say they are planning to end with Walking Dead franchize. The very opposite!
Oops, nvm
again you are just agreeing with what I said..so thanks.
Dammit, I have to know what was written here.
That Clementine shouldn't have been in this game if it's for the new players
Oh, seems like a perfectly reasonable comment to me.
Ah you got me. I suspected it earlier but your making this clear here.
The reason why Telltale had made the decision to make Javi the new main character was in response to the toxic anti-Clem sentiment that was prevalent throughout the forum in 2015 and 2016. I think they had created the character Javi as a compromise between the pro and anti-Clem crowd. This was Telltale's way of playing things safe. In reality, that supposed safe decision had backfired because it turns out that the anti-Clem base of the forum was nothing but a vocal minority that did not represent the views of the of the majority of the TWDG fanbase. When the third season was released many of the people from the pro-Clem base came back to the forum to discover that Clem was pushed to the side while Telltale was focusing on Javi. This was when the complaints of Clem's secondary status in the game had overshadowed the anti-Clem sentiment within the forum.
Telltale had failed to know what the majority of fans had wanted for season 3. Instead, Telltale was pressured by a bunch of anti-Clem trolls to make a poor decision which had led the whole series to be derailed.
Wow.....k, that got deep...My point was that what I've seen indicated they knew pretty early on that calling this S3 would be internet death. Somebody somewhere made a decision. The Titles when in the actual game says New Frontier no Walking Dead Season 3: A New Frontier. (I bought Digital on XBONE)It's possible that this is different depending on your platform. I can only speak for myself. My bad lit a match and walked out....sorry bout that
How do you know they were just doing it as a marketing strategy?
Would you rather they left her out and left questions unanswered?
You gotta remember, most fans were asking if she was gonna be in the game so TellTale decided to put her in there. However, I remember one person saying that TellTale did state that this isn't even a season 3, so people should've seen it coming.
I also gotta remind myself as well; I'm not the one who was highly anticipating this game and I also looked at the trailer from all angles. Not very many people do that, and I realize that. I also realize that people aren't happy with the game solely because clementine wasn't the main focus of it.
There is no way Telltalle is that stupid. It was a marketing trick and that's all it was. Kinda make people think the focus is still gonna be on Clem due to the past content.....lack of any real confirmation to the contrary plus the trailer surely helped sell this image. I was totally convinced by the "biggest thing weve ever done" comments, the borderlands style, and the trailer. That we would be playing a possibly more than 5 episode season that saw Clem split like Rhys and Fiona. I felt like it was completely reasonable to assume that to be the case. Play on that note sell to a good portion of the people who will be upset Clem isn't the focus regardless. "newcomers" hear that commotion and hop in too. As annoying as that all is. How much more could it possibly benefit them to eliminate the "need" to play the first two seasons anyways? I can't imagine that group of new players due to this being life changing for them.
I dont even see the logic behind eliminating the need to play previous seasons, previous seasons are still perfectly playable, and very good games, and due to the cartoony artstyle, I dont even think about the graphics (frankly, anything after half life 2 has been great graphics for me, sure its nice with all the fancy new stuff, but as long as the game looks realistic enough, or has a nice artstyle, its fine).
Like, you dont start watching a series at season 3, who even does that? why would you find a series and think, "fuck the story, I am starting at season 3"
Exactly, and to one up it you could play season TWO and not really need the first season to entirely follow it. While continuing Clems story it's basically entirely stand alone. I can't imagine there being many people who were like....blehh ill pass on this cause I didn't play season 1 or 2. Yet that's exactly how TT seemed to go about it...
But thats the only explanation for me that they would pretty much replace Clem. Yet be really quiet about it and basically promote the game in a way that pretty much hides this...shady. They wanted all of us who were eager as hell to continue her story to buy this ASAP and be upset after the fact we spent some money. There is just no reason to do what they did other than some kind of belief they can somehow sell more this way. Which I don't even think is true.
Seeing how she's barely around and forced into the story why not just leave her out?
And telltale knew the constant promoting of clementine would result in fans of the series purchasing the game. Looking back its quite obvious that they put her in for marketing and primitive fan appeal seeing how she contributes little to nothing to the plot and was horribly forced into EP3 if you shot conrad. Telltale had no intention of utilizing clementine as a main character or even a legitimate supporting character as shown from the poorly executed flashbacks and serving little purpose to the story.
It didn't seem like TT was too keen on pointing it out if they didn't consider it season 3, most of the major gaming sites reported it and posted the trailer as Season 3, and still refer to it as such. Even Job still refers to the game as season 3, and he's supposed to be our bridge to the company.
But truthfully, I wouldn't have been disappointed if the new character was brought in with a more even split in playtime. The first real information we got from TT around E3 was there would he new character playable in addition to Clementine, I thought it could he cool to see the story from too different sides. Javier is far from playable in addition to Clementine, though, he's pretty much the only playable character save for a 4/5 minute interactive cutscene each episode. It just seems a far cry from how it was initially presented and described until 3 weeks before release, it was pretty little notice. I dunno, it is what it is.
Fortunately, sales are doing abysmal right now (on Steam, not sure about other platforms but it gives us a good idea). Tons of refunds, stuck at the 145k area for 4 months since release, highest they've gone up to was arouns 180k near release and it's back to 145k now. Money is what Telltale listens to so these sales should hopefully help.
No better way to describe this situation, i agree 100%
I wish it wasnt s3. But the bottom line is: this is s3, a really effed up s3...
Did we wait 2years+ for this? We waited for Clem... Our s1 and s2 clem...
I agree. It seems to me like there are two stories going on here. The Walking Dead game is primarily based on Clem. She has been a core character since Season 1. And while I appreciate the Javier diversion and such, I think it should have been a different series and a stand-alone. Even if they were going to do a crossover with Clem, they definitely should not have just made Clementine;s story secondary in service of making Javier's primary.
I feel that in this season half the story that should have been told, but that is sort of passively addressed in flashbacks, is Clementine's story since the events of Season 2. That could have been an entire season by itself and New Frontier could have been its own thing. They did a huge disservice to both the character of Clem as well as the fans.
Imagine if on the TV show, Rick suddenly stops being the protagonist and it all evolved around Ezekiel and his issues, with Rick being the side-kick. That is pretty much exactly what they did here.
Dont get me wrong, I enjoy this season so far (well not as much as I did S1 and 2) but it really irks me to not be able to play Clem and have her relegated to side kick. Season 3 should have been HER story and New Frontier a game within the Walking Dead Universe. Major fail there Telltale. Sorry to say...
Just came back to visit. I don't think I'm setting the bar too high here. Clementine should mostly be the focus for ANF because she's one of the most important characters to this series. She doesn't have to be a protagonist (although with the state of S2 EP5 endings that can be questioned). I was hyped to hell from S2 EP5 endings directly because of what I had chosen with Clementine. Let me just put this into perspective here (Excuse the angry shit)
A character, who you've been with for two whole seasons dies in a five minute flashback. Dying is alright, but not in five fucking minutes.
Jane kills herself for being stupid and not letting Luke wear a condom.
One line of dialogue for the family that you either let in or don't let in.
WHERE THE FUCK WERE THE PEOPLE INSIDE WELLINGTON?! Did Edith lie?! Is she one of the only people there? OVER-CAPACITY MY ASS!! HOW COME WE NEVER GET TO SEE WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE? A lot of S2 is the characters pushing onto Wellington. Heck we never get to learn about how the New Frontier first arrived here or are attacking Wellington OR HOW THEY EVEN GOT IN DID YOU EVEN SEE THE WALLS LIKE WTF?!?!?!?!
The alone ending makes the most sense because it tied up all the loose ends.
You see what I'm getting at? Clementine was supposed to be our main focus, but NOOOOOOPE! They threw it out because they couldn't be arsed to make these branching paths more meaningful. Having our expectations a little too high? Why bother making all these alternate paths IF ITS GOING TO RESULT IN NOWHERE?! WHAT IS THE POINT IN THAT?!