TWD Season Two was SO GOOD

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  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator

    So the takeaway I'm getting from your weirdly specific metaphors is that ANF is more salvageable than S2, in your opinion

    The way I see it, Season 2 is like a big brightly colored waterpark with all the amenities people would come to expect of a good time... How

  • Not exactly. I'm just a very intelligent, creative, and well-spoken individual who can put things into interesting analogies.

    I mean, not to toot my own horn or anything...

    So what we're really supposed to get out of this here... Everyone'sClemInTime, did you have a bad experience at a waterpark once?

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited April 2017

    Honest question: is this forum solely made up of people that just didn't like this series after S1 or something?

    I look just about anywhere else, and most people seem to be fine with S2. I mean sure, a good portion of people don't think it's as good as S1, but this place in particular? This place makes it out like S2 is a skid mark on Telltale's resume.

    I just don't get it. I really don't. Did you guys somehow scare off everyone that kinda liked S2, or god help them, ANF? Have we like, distilled this forum into a bunch of hard-nosed cynics with penchants for theatrics and colorful language?

    I mean look, all the flak ANF is getting, that I can kinda understand. But S2? You'd figure we'd finally have a common enemy to fight against, so to speak, but I guess not.

  • and it's an actual continuation with at least some effort put into it

    You mean that game that had like 15 different goal posts all transparently switched and moved within every new episode?

    Or multiple times within an episode? Constantly shifting players' expected motivations and creating a final episode so confusing and beyond sloppy that it actually had a simultaneously huge rivalry that came out of thin air as well as a supposedly sympathetically structured infant narrative thing that went nowhere?

    At least S2 had its own menu, a different soundtrack for each episode screen, credit songs, and it's an actual continuation with at least some effort put into it unlike ANF where no effort was put into it at all. :^)

  • edited April 2017

    That's what I'm saying... kinda.

    I'm also saying don't accidently use sewage runoff in your waterpark or else you'll be fucked.

    Deltino posted: »

    So the takeaway I'm getting from your weirdly specific metaphors is that ANF is more salvageable than S2, in your opinion

  • Haha, that works too :D

    Not exactly. I'm just a very intelligent, creative, and well-spoken individual who can put things into interesting analogies. I mean, not to toot my own horn or anything...

  • It's very common knowledge I never liked season 2, and was initially out cried for it (as for most things it would seem) because it wasn't the "norm" or I was just being a "hater."

    The truth of the matter is, things age... and some things age more poorly and much more quickly than other things. This is a forum where people can share their opinions and so I don't think it's exactly horrible to give honest answers to questions that are asked.

    And this whole ideal of ANF being the absolute scourge of video games is, quite frankly, ridiculous. Is it awful? Absolutely. Does it deserve to at least be finished before constructive elaboration can be used? That's a bit more complicated, but I think all this shitting on ANF is undeserved when Season 2 had just about every issue ANF has.

    Choices not mattering... Check

    Shitty characters... Check

    Awful pacing... Check

    etc. etc. etc. So no, I don't think it is made up of people who disliked the franchise after season 1, but you know what? I sure as shit did.

    Deltino posted: »

    Honest question: is this forum solely made up of people that just didn't like this series after S1 or something? I look just about anywhe

  • Obviously not as good as season 1 but yeah still pretty good. Much, much better than season 3. A lot of people seem to have problems with episode 3 but It was more or less everything I expected and wanted - the group working together to bring down Carver and escape. Some deaths in the group as you'd expect, Carver having more interaction with Clementine etc. It was a little predictable yeah but it was all played out in a very entertaining way.

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited April 2017

    To be fair, my post was semi-rhetorical, and semi-joking, but hey, I can appreciate an honest answer.

    So no, I don't think it is made up of people who disliked the franchise after season 1, but you know what? I sure as shit did.

    You know, if I'm being completely and brutally honest-- and with all due respect when I say this-- you seem sorta... misplaced, in the grand scheme of things. You don't strike me as someone that would have ever been a fan of TWD under normal circumstances, and that S1 of the game is the sole exception to the rule. A guy who's generally interested in more, for lack of a better term, highbrow entertainment, yet still felt attracted to this series at one point in time.

    Again, no offense meant when I say that. Just something I've picked up on over the years.

    It's very common knowledge I never liked season 2, and was initially out cried for it (as for most things it would seem) because it wasn't t

  • edited April 2017

    None taken, you're kind of right.

    I valued the first season not for it being a masterpiece, but for it having relatable characters whose interactions largely felt real and sincere. The plot was standard basic stuff, and the pacing was less-than-impressive but it kept itself fresh due to the dialogue and characters' personalities working with the atmosphere of the narrative.

    And as stellar as the second season's premiere was, it went downhill so fast. None of the sincerity was there, not one person was relatable or interesting, and I couldn't get invested in a game that continuously switched its plot up.

    And Christ, No Going Back was... well, yeah. I didn't care for it.

    Deltino posted: »

    To be fair, my post was semi-rhetorical, and semi-joking, but hey, I can appreciate an honest answer. So no, I don't think it is made

  • It became a huge mess after episode 2 IMO, not exactly something I look back on fondly.

  • The only thing I liked about season 2 were the characters and the writers cocked up everything and killed them all off like they were nothing.

  • Honest question: is this forum solely made up of people that just didn't like this series after S1 or something?

    You start to think that after a while, so maybe. :lol:

    Well, I for one definitely liked a number of things about Season 2 myself, with Sarah being the obvious highlight. And while I obviously felt pretty jaded coming out of it(or hell, just going into the finale), I can say that the things I legitimately didn't like weren't dead on arrival for the most part and are more the product of all the shit that went wrong with the game and story's production.

    Deltino posted: »

    Honest question: is this forum solely made up of people that just didn't like this series after S1 or something? I look just about anywhe

  • That's a bit more complicated, but I think all this shitting on ANF is undeserved when Season 2 had just about every issue ANF has.

    I think that's called a Franchise Original Sin. Because, as rare as this is said aside from a select few,who may or may not just be contrarians and/or attention whores some of the problems people have with the later stuff was present in Season 1.

    It's very common knowledge I never liked season 2, and was initially out cried for it (as for most things it would seem) because it wasn't t

  • Yeah, admittedly, Season 1 playthrough could go on for quite some time, particularly with Long Road Of Head.

    bluewalker posted: »

    I've played season 2 more than season 1.

  • Exactly my point.

    People are wearing their rose-tinted googles a bit too tightly.

    DabigRG posted: »

    That's a bit more complicated, but I think all this shitting on ANF is undeserved when Season 2 had just about every issue ANF has.

  • Exactly lets not pretend season 2 isn't terrible just because you don't like ANF.

    and it's an actual continuation with at least some effort put into it You mean that game that had like 15 different goal posts all t

  • No need to pretend, its subjectively and objectively a good game.

    Jaku2011 posted: »

    Exactly lets not pretend season 2 isn't terrible just because you don't like ANF.

  • People are far too caught up on this blind hatred of ANF without filing any constructive critique as to why it's so awful in the first place, I think partly because it's been acceptable to just dismiss the game for it's awful presentation when it was still tantalizing and hot-button within this forum.

    Now, however, it has had time to settle and people should be able to firmly delineate and address why it's no longer as appropriate to say this is the cause of Telltale's "downfall" and instead start discussing opposing points as to why the game may or may not be bad.

    It certainly does things better than S2, like continuity or even (arguably) pacing to some extents... but that's not what people want to believe even after having ample time to mull over the game's content for several months now.

    It's just a bit sad as all.

    Jaku2011 posted: »

    Exactly lets not pretend season 2 isn't terrible just because you don't like ANF.

  • Honestly compared to ANF, The Walking Dead Season two is god's gift.

  • I love season 2 but I can't pretend there weren't inconsistencies, strangled character development, fan service, and stuff that just didn't MAKE SENSE.

  • I love it for the fact that Kenny got a much bigger role than he did in season 1. I'd even say season 2's ending (well, depending on which one you get) is more emotional than season 1's ending, since it deals with Kenny and, in my opinion, a big amount of the emotional impact of the season comes from how well you like Kenny, and well, it's no secret that he's my favorite character.

    One thing season 2 certainly should not have done is throw away Omid and Christa. It would've been nice if the game had a core group of survivors throughout the series like the TV show, rather than focus solely on Clementine.

    Overall, season 1 is better in my eyes, but season 2 really isn't far behind.

  • It certainly does things better than S2, like continuity or even (arguably) pacing to some extents

    It does? Explain? Btw not arguing with this point as for all i know i may agree with you

    People are far too caught up on this blind hatred of ANF without filing any constructive critique as to why it's so awful in the first place

  • edited April 2017

    Gladly.

    So far, within this season, we as the players have had largely one overarching conflict that has been presented to us... The New Frontier. And as uninteresting as they are, I have to say in all honesty that just having one clear discernible threat is a huge breath of fresh air, especially seeing as though walkers have also had little screen time.

    Because as important as walkers are for the story, they don't add much forward momentum within the confines of the Garcia family and The New Frontier's conflict. So right there, the continuity is far more impressive this season than last season at this point in time when just within three episodes we were introduced to another large menacing threat, taken to their camp, and successfully concluded that looming threat all within the span of a measly three episodes.

    Hell, at this point in ANF, we don't even entirely know what the political power struggle is or in what way it will conclude, so there's still a lot to learn which is... again, a breath of fresh air. Rather than the camp having one sole maniac who is so menacing yet gets overrun almost entirely by a child within 2 days in a free-roam camp that gives more leeway to it's prisoners than afterschool detention does to it's troublemakers.

    And as for the pacing, it may be argued pacing has been improved on as well considering how linearly the game moves now, keeping interactions and narrative plot points steadily trickling to the player to help them to remain invested in the story. I may not like it, and many others may not like it, but it does make the relaying of information more prudent for future events, at least I speculate.

    dan290786 posted: »

    It certainly does things better than S2, like continuity or even (arguably) pacing to some extents It does? Explain? Btw not arguing with this point as for all i know i may agree with you

  • Very interesting. I can see how you mean

    Gladly. So far, within this season, we as the players have had largely one overarching conflict that has been presented to us... The New

  • Agreed. For better or worse, ANF being more streamlined plot-wise gives it breathing room thatn Season 2, which repeatedly suffocated itself trying to do so much at once under slightly longer constraints. One of my main gripes however is that I still don't feel like it's taking full advantage of that despite showing a great amount of improvement.

    Gladly. So far, within this season, we as the players have had largely one overarching conflict that has been presented to us... The New

  • Sarah getting devoured by walkers was a favorite memory of season 2.

  • Well aint you the bored edgelord.

  • I'm being serious though, I didn't like that character, so i was glad to see her get killed.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Well aint you the bored edgelord.

  • I really liked Luke and the new cast in season 2.

  • Pretty petty, don'cha think? Especially consider who she was vs. all the shit that happened to her.

    I'm being serious though, I didn't like that character, so i was glad to see her get killed.

  • Damn, I wish I can play S1 and S2 for the first time again. Top gaming experience I've had in my life

  • Yes, its petty to be satisfied with a character's death. I am a mean poopy head.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Pretty petty, don'cha think? Especially consider who she was vs. all the shit that happened to her.

  • I am a mean poopy head.

    I don't even know what to say that.

    Yes, its petty to be satisfied with a character's death. I am a mean poopy head.

  • I liked Season 2's potential. I think it was too ambitious and spread itself too thin over the size of the cast/stories it wanted to tell to reach that potential. Even though I was ultimately let down by Carver, I did like him more as a villain to the story. ( Only real complaint was it felt like he was wasted, and gone too soon. I would've prefered to take out Arvo, and have Carver being the main antagonist til the end of the Season. ) It had a lot of underutilized story and character elements, which isn't a terrible thing. It just means I wish they would've taken more time in several aspects of it, and in doing that removed a few others.

    I think Season 2 gets a lot of critical attention not because it couldn't reach the same glory as Season One, but because it had what it needed to be better than Season One. It just couldn't hang onto it.

  • I liked Season 2's potential. I think it was too ambitious and spread itself too thin over the size of the cast/stories it wanted to tell to reach that potential.
    It just means I wish they would've taken more time in several aspects of it, and in doing that removed a few others.
    I think Season 2 gets a lot of critical attention not because it couldn't reach the same glory as Season One, but because it had what it needed to be better than Season One. It just couldn't hang onto it.

    Fuckin this.

    Poptarts posted: »

    I liked Season 2's potential. I think it was too ambitious and spread itself too thin over the size of the cast/stories it wanted to tell to

  • Just from my own opinion, Season 2 is their third best game behind Wolf at #2 and TWDS1 at #1. I have very fond memories of playing both seasons like you said. And as a massive Kenny fan, the season was damn near perfect for me and I enjoyed the hell outta Clem and Kenny's story.

    Deltino posted: »

    Honest question: is this forum solely made up of people that just didn't like this series after S1 or something? I look just about anywhe

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    edited April 2017

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