Loving S3
Hi,
Looking around this place I noticed a lot of negativity, so I decided to spread some positivity!
I'm loving s3 so far, I like the characters and their relationships better than s2's characters. I was kind of sceptical of playing a character other than my sweet pea at first, but I gotta say I'm kinda liking Javi. I actually like them all. David's an ass but he does make the story more interesting. Conrad was okish untill he pulled a gun on Clem, was pretty satisfying to take him out 
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The only thing I would like would be some more Clem time!
So, thanks for another awesome game Telltale!
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Glad to see another who likes the game!
David's actually my favorite character right now.
You know, as much as I dislike this season, its great to see positivity being exercised on the forums rather than repetitious animosity. You get a like.
And welcome to the forums!
Edit: Oops, I see you've actually been on the forums for quite some time.
My bad.
Tbh David and tripp are the only charecters I care about and love.....and clem obviously duh
On Steam I can find thousands of good reviews about this Season.
I guess it is just the Telltale community with the same repeating negative kids.
The same who were complaining about Season 2 years ago. And now we are supposed to believe from them Season 2 was great lol.
The Telltale community is just a minority of the total amount of Season 3 players.
We actually already have a thread on this :: Episode 3 was damn good SPOILERS
posted by Akimbo_Slice on March 28 - Viewed by 2.4K users
While I can't say I'm loving the season episode 3 has made me more positive on the game then I was before.
Do you even know why we complain? Have you even seen the criticism? Most of them are valid and can still be fixed if we just let Telltale know, but they refuse to listen.
Well yaknow jobs made that clear in his AMA when addressing the forums reception to the game.
This is not entirely true, steam reviews arent excactly anything to go by, as even very mediocre games can get over 70% good reviews, its mostly only when a game is completely broken or shitty that it goes under 50% positive rating
Also, I am kinda torn on season 3, I kinda like it, but at the same time I dont really care about any of the characters
Above 2000 good reviews on steam.
And I am with them.
I got you don't like it and complain, but the fact is thousands of peoples like this season!
And you can't ignore those thousands just because an opinion of yours and a few hundreds with you on Steam.
You can call a game mediocre, this does not mean a majority of players find it mediocre.
Peoples can love low quality games for a reason. It's about their entertainment.
Yeah I know why you complain.
Just the 'I am no Clementine' stuff.
I am happy we play a brand new character.
If it was me, she didn't need to be in this Season, the game is great anyway.
At the beginning of Season 2 you all in this forum complained about being Clementine, and now the same peoples complain about not being Clementine.
As much as I'm disappointed with this season, I'm glad to see someone enjoying this season because this game deserves critiscm but it doesn't deserve not to have at least someone who likes it.
Too bad they already released a disc version because I would have love to see your post printed on the box.
Really? Ok
That's not the only complaint... but whatever lets you sleep at night.
Yeah? Here's another fact - 32% of those 3000 people on Steam hate the game (ANF is 78% on Steam, S1 was 97% and S2 was 96%). You can't just dismiss VALID criticism because of an opinion of yours.
That's the site where 78% of reviews are positive for ANF, compared to 96% of the reviews being positive for Season 2? I guess its not just the forums who think its much worse than the first two seasons, it is the majority, I'm with you too then
Wow, thousands like the game, thats still like 5% max of the people playing the game, also, you can say what you want, but steam reviews arent anything to go by, also consider this, all the top rated reviews all rate it negatively, besides, you cant trust a rating system that is either "like" or "dont like", while I dont agree with numbered ratings either, you simply cant judge a game based on reviews that are black and white, I have often seen games that get a thumbs up review on steam, you simply cant take steam reviews at face value.
And if you want to take steam reviews at face value, here is a stat, Season 1 and 2 both have above 95% positive reviews on steam, A New Frontier has less than 80%, so by definition its alot worse than previous games, even season 2, which was also critizised by alot of people. But again, it doesnt matter since steam reviews are inaccurate as fuck, and most games get above 70% positive reviews, even if they suck
What "S3"?
Well it does matter because you wouldn't buy a game on steam if it has a 'mixed' recent rating. The overall rating will most likely reach 69% which is the point at which it turns to 'mixed' after ANF ends and everyone who waited till the season finished play the game.
If you actually think that's the only criticism of the game, then you clearly haven't read any of the post pointing out the multiple flaws in the game. Because there's quite a lot more problems than just Clementine.
The season is okay but what hurts it for me is the forced relationship between Javier and Clementine that Telltale are wanting to put into place. It makes little sense given either of their actions and the short amount of time that they have know each other.
On his own Javier feels like pretty much like every generically handsome short brown haired dude. He's not a bad character, I just have the feeling that I've played as him countless times before. I'd actually rather be playing as his brother David, who seems a far more interesting and complex character.
Despite my dislike of the first two episodes, I really did think that the third was great and had some genuinely tough choices that didn't revolve around Clementine (I actually think this season would be better if she weren't in it).
If Telltale can keep up the level of quality shown in the third episode, I think I'll be leaving this season with overall positive impressions.
I'd prefer if there was more time to be Clemetine on the flashbacks and that the 3rd episode didn't take 3 months to be released, but other than that I'm loving it too
Brace yourselves, negative nancies are coming with that " but mah criticsms bro"
The thing about these "negative nancies" is that many of their criticisms aren't completely invalid, it's just so many have no desire to be shown any differing opinions or viewpoints and would rather use steam scores or hyperboles to present their case rather than being as close to objective as they can be.
It's stunting the growth of potential conversations, something this forum is suppose to be about.
Me personally, think this game is awful... but it isn't necessarily abysmal. It does things much more favorably than S2 that's for sure and does have (debatably) more to give within the next two episodes.
And me having to be the voice of reason is when you know shit is getting bad here.
Take your blindfold off, OP.
Wah
So, are you saying this "positive side" of things has been the most crtitical and open minded as of lately and that the "negative nancies" have just been these stubborn ignorant pricks who just refuse to listen?
Well that's funny, because last I checked, on these forums, the "positive side" rarely (more like never actually) goes ahead to discuss or counter these "negative nancies'" arguments and prefers to settle with snarky one liners on other threads (like the very comment you just replied to) instead of engaging in a smart conversation about the game.
Either that or they give very a very vague description on what they like (like the OP). "I like character X", "I like the characterization", " The story is not flawed, I like it" are very common "arguments" of this "positive side".
So maybe, what's killing the growth of conversations about the game in these forums are not the "negative nancies" using hyperbole to express their points (and sure, that may be a bad thing) but this "positive side" who settles by just dismissing everyone's complaints, giving very vague reasons as to why they like what they claim to like, posting snarky comments instead of, you know, arguing, and acting like they are in some kind of higher ground and that we are just some babies that don't know what we're talking about.
I never said that, but now would be an opportune time to go ahead and prove me wrong by trying to open up a dialogue with some of these people rather than getting gassed up because you feel I and many others are persecuting you or your viewpoints.
I don't see much arguments here yet, this seemed like just a positive place for people to appreciate something they like that many others don't. Nothing malicious about that.
You did say we ("we" as in the people who feel this season, well, sucks) "have no desire to be shown any differing opinions and viewpoints", which can be translated as we are stubborn and close minded when it comes to this matter. And, well, I believe you're wrong, I think it's the other side who is simply not actively arguing against many points already made through the forums for the last 4 months. I only see them making vague remarks as to why we are just some crybabies (implying that we want to hate this game for some reason) and how this game is good just because they say it is.
I don't feel like you're persecuting me and my viewpoints. Last I recall you aren't a big fan of ANF either.
Maybe for different reasons, sure.
I feel like the comment you just replied to is however persecuting me and many others and I find it mindblowing how you seem to be ok with such a shallow atittude, yet antagonize us " negative nancies".
Perhaps I would try to discuss in this thread if there were any arguments other than "the characters are good" or "the story is fine" - that's literally saying nothing from a argumentative prespective and sure, I could go ahead and analyse thoroughly why most of ANF's characters are terrible and point out certain other flaws this game has (as others already have) but I storngly believe that it will bear no discussion, since the "positive side" has been for the past few months consistently dismissive of negative viewpoints - as I said, not only ignoring them but treating them like some kids' tantrums.
If that wasn't clear enough, I wasn't talking about this thread in particular, but the forums as of lately in general (just as you were in your reply).
And sure this thread is harmless but from a discussion material point of view it completely sucks considering it's strongest argument is "I like the characters and the story".
There are still some people who try to articulate on their reasoning's, but its true, since the game released threads (whether presenting their criticisms in a constructive, thought out way or a rant) have been subject to the same few people jumping in to list compelling counter arguments such as "I think its amazing!" "I really like (insert name)." I don't really care if people like it, more power to them, some people like pineapple on their pizza. But if the only point of entering a negative thread is to tell people you like the game because, I mean, what? Ok? That's great, but it doesn't really add anything, and after a while of these retorts most constructive conversations are in the past because there's just no real counter argument that could lead to a discussion. At the end of the day, whether critically or throughout the fan base across multiple sites and social media, these have been some of the worst received and devisive episodes in the franchise, well below the way season 1 and 2 were received.
And you'll still get the occasional nut whining about season 2, who returned to the series for one reason or another after complaining the previous entry was terrible throughout, but generally there's been little negativity regarding the past seasons outside of these forums. The comment sections on social media during the last couple of months? A bit more argumentative.
I hadn't stated anywhere that people who disliked the season were inherently "negative nancies," just that discussions are growing stale here because of the lack of vocal opposition and had even used a quotation mark to imply that the term was superfluous to begin with.
However, it may not have been entirely clear at the time and I apologize for not being more direct with my point.
I do agree that both sides need to open up the dialogue rather than expecting it to rest all on one party. However, as much as I dislike this season, I can't deny it does things FAR better than S2 and that the way the story is progressing, there is so much more promise for something quite interesting to happen in favor to S2 constantly bouncing players around and sloppily shifting goals and aims all the time without much smooth transitional writing to help alleviate some of the rougher segments.
I'm also glad to see a bunch of positivity about season 3
kinda had a frustrating day trying to link my pen account to my telltale one though so I could share my choices 
I kinda like David, though.
Can we please try and keep this discussion possitive like the description says pls?
if you do not like the way this game has been developed then do not play it. Simple as that, just find another game you do like.
But this is season 3 as a whole, though
It's easier to point out flaws than positives, in anything. because you can talk about something you like and say this does this, this, and this well with your reasoning behind it but then some other jackass will go "No that's stupid, and your stupid for thinking that was done well"
As for listing what I feel are positives about the game I like that so far the cast has been consistent, cheap deaths aren't happening every episode like in Season 2, Conrad has so far been handled well as a determinant character which is important to me I mean look at my profile pic, The New Frontier threat is still there and wasn't resolved in 1 episode (season 2 problems) Javier and David have a relationship that as a hispanic who has had very similar talks with my own older brother feels very real let's just say that beginning scene with the father dying hit me pretty close to home. And ya I like Javier sue me. Keep in mind I dont think ANF is great at all I just think it's ok so far but is being treated like its the worst thing Telltale has done, and I played minecraft so I know its not.
It's fine to like it, but like it for the right reasons. The interesting characters are David, Gabriel and Kate. Javier is too much of an observer and Tripp keeps avoiding that conflict with Javier that he needs to actually be interesting, so far he's turned around whenever he got pissed.
The only really interesting stuff is to see where they are headed with the David/Kate conflict and how Gabriel plays into that. I suppose I wanna know what happens with AJ and Clementine too, but they only pop in whenever the story needs a cut-away to make a time-skip.
Don't blame that shit on me. He is making it look like we don't exist. You think I wasn't a fan of S1/S2? I was a HUGE fan but ANF massively disappointed me in many ways.
How does one deliver a god? Is it like pizza, can I call one in?
Yes. That was one of the problems I had with EP1+2. I was a part of the few non-biased Clem lovers who didn't side with her at every turn. I played it as Javier. He just met her, she threatened him and wants to take his car, so when she causes commotion in Prescott, he wants no relation to her, blah blah blah etc. Repeat for other Clem choices in episodes 1 and 2. Of course in Episode 3 I had Javi start to warm up to her and trust her more, so now they're on the same page, but the inconsistency of that relationship they had in the first few episodes was just... off. If Javi bails Clem out in Prescott, but then they both get locked up together later, Clem says: "we make a good team". Why? You only met a few hours ago, and nothing in the past few hours has met the requirements of friendship and 'being a team'.
Yes again. I agree.
Also agree.
I do like season 3, and I do like Javi and his family, but the emphasis on flimsy ties to the previous seasons of this series does make me dissapointed.
S3 started out not too good. Episode 3 was a good step up. If it continues like this, this season will turn out fine in my books.