If I ask which ones, I think some form of OCD will kick in where I'll have to take out each individual colour the next time I eat those. So I'm not gonna go there.
I vehemently disagree, even at the notion that Javier has the 'potential' to be one of the most popular characters. To suggest so to a fan of the comics, TV show and game is an insult to every decent character from their respective portion of the franchise - and to suggest that he possesses the possibility to become as popular as Clementine is laughable.
Between his S3E1 prologue and the rest of the season, we see little development from him and in other characters from the rest of ANF, and any development he receives we either do not see or is insignificant in relation to how he as a character changes or functions - not to mention that said development is completely dwarfed by other characters such as Kenny and Lilly from the video game alone.
The fact that he takes this role as a "witty, approachable badass leader with little to no flaws" already makes him a cliché protagonist that may not be difficult to like, but is not easy to believe or relate to. His place in the franchise of being a man dedicated to the protection of his family or whatever doesn't exactly bring anything new to the franchise that hasn't been repeated half a dozen times by more developed characters already.
Every competent character has unique methods of dispatching walkers - and I'm sorry, but if you believe one liners or insults are pathways for a character to receive recognition I think you have a very skewed view as to what makes a popular or a good character.
This thread wants debate and I shall deliver. Javier has the potential to be one of THE most popular walking dead characters spanning across… more the tv show to the comics to the video game. His character has really been developed more into season 3 and I believe he will finish a new frontier to have just as many fans as clementine. His one liners and insults are impressive, and with how he dispatches walkers I think he may also survive a new frontier. Anyone disagree or are we cool?
That is in another thread, not this one. And also; lots of cussing and it was becoming too heated and I decided not to waste my time. It's a stale-mate at this point.
This thread wants debate and I shall deliver. Javier has the potential to be one of THE most popular walking dead characters spanning across… more the tv show to the comics to the video game. His character has really been developed more into season 3 and I believe he will finish a new frontier to have just as many fans as clementine. His one liners and insults are impressive, and with how he dispatches walkers I think he may also survive a new frontier. Anyone disagree or are we cool?
Abraham was a good character had he had a lot of one liners. I also said he HAS the potential to be. Not he is, so episode 1 and 2 do not count, but as of episode 3 his character has been given more depth to it, and could possibly show he is going down a dark path after possibly crushing badgers skull, the first ever walking dead protagonist who was once a good guy to turn evil and be a possible antagonist in season 4 would be very interesting. Clementine has also done many things that could have gotten her killed but Javier thinks things through, and even when he does get trapped he always makes his own way out. Clementine was completely incompetent in season 1, weak in season 2 and reckless in season 3 I still love clementine but I still believe that Javier may one day replace her.
I vehemently disagree, even at the notion that Javier has the 'potential' to be one of the most popular characters. To suggest so to a fan o… moref the comics, TV show and game is an insult to every decent character from their respective portion of the franchise - and to suggest that he possesses the possibility to become as popular as Clementine is laughable.
Between his S3E1 prologue and the rest of the season, we see little development from him and in other characters from the rest of ANF, and any development he receives we either do not see or is insignificant in relation to how he as a character changes or functions - not to mention that said development is completely dwarfed by other characters such as Kenny and Lilly from the video game alone.
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Pretty confident there was more to Abraham to make people like him than one liners, but sure.
Episodes 1 and 2 do count, considering they make up about two-thirds of the time we know of Javier. Anything that we receive from his character in this time has to be taken into consideration when we're talking about his development across a season. You can't just say "nothing in this part counts towards his character because we just met him." And in this time we got little more than a guy, like so many others, dedicated exclusively to the upbringing of his familiar which is an overdone route in TWD.
I'm guessing you have no idea who Rick Grimes is if you think Javier is the only TWD protagonist to go from being kind of good to being kind of evil.
Clementine has also done many things that could have gotten her killed but Javier thinks things through, and even when he does get trapped he always makes his own way out.
Even though the entire reason he was able to escape from TNF truck was because of what Clementine did with the tree?
Even though the entire reason he was able to bring Kate to someone who could help her was because Clementine knew about Richmond?
Even though Javier messed around with walkers like an idiot because he got excited to hold a baseball bat again, and struggled to fight off two walkers before Clementine helped him out?
Clementine was completely incompetent in season 1, weak in season 2 and reckless in season 3 I still love clementine but I still believe that Javier may one day replace her.
Again, this tells me you have little idea of how to determine depth in a character. I'll give you Season 3, which in itself is a form of development regardless, but to call her incompetent in Season 1 and weak in Season 2 is both wrong in terms of how Clementine actually is in those seasons and wrong in terms that this apparently detracts from a character in comparison to Javier as well as implying that he can easily replace her as a character by not having these non-existent flaws.
Abraham was a good character had he had a lot of one liners. I also said he HAS the potential to be. Not he is, so episode 1 and 2 do not co… moreunt, but as of episode 3 his character has been given more depth to it, and could possibly show he is going down a dark path after possibly crushing badgers skull, the first ever walking dead protagonist who was once a good guy to turn evil and be a possible antagonist in season 4 would be very interesting. Clementine has also done many things that could have gotten her killed but Javier thinks things through, and even when he does get trapped he always makes his own way out. Clementine was completely incompetent in season 1, weak in season 2 and reckless in season 3 I still love clementine but I still believe that Javier may one day replace her.
Episode 1 and 2 do not count because I said HAS potential, not he has already EARNED potential. Therefore he still has to prove himself because the 1st 2 episodes were crap. Meaning starting from episode 3 he will start to get a larger fan base. And Rick isn't wholly evil, he wants to help a bunch of communities be free from the tyranny of Negan, while for Javier I am talking about him being the tyrant. Clem only survived the 1st few days cos she had a tree house, Lee had to save her countless times, she only got 2 walkers kills which was determinant, if not it was one walker kill, she got Lee killed because she trusted a creepy weirdo she hardly knew on the radio, she struggles to fight weak ass walkers, who, mind you, are decomposing to just bones so they are becoming weaker through the years, she struggled to move certain objects such as the dresser and the cannon and needed help to move both and she gets Omid killed by leaving her gun out in the open which you should never do if every moment is a danger to yourself.
Pretty confident there was more to Abraham to make people like him than one liners, but sure.
Episodes 1 and 2 do count, considering they… more make up about two-thirds of the time we know of Javier. Anything that we receive from his character in this time has to be taken into consideration when we're talking about his development across a season. You can't just say "nothing in this part counts towards his character because we just met him." And in this time we got little more than a guy, like so many others, dedicated exclusively to the upbringing of his familiar which is an overdone route in TWD.
I'm guessing you have no idea who Rick Grimes is if you think Javier is the only TWD protagonist to go from being kind of good to being kind of evil.
Clementine has also done many things that could have gotten her killed but Javier thinks things through, and even when he does get trapped he always makes his own way out.
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The game does not give specific enough dates to nail down the exact day of Lee's death. The outbreak starts on July 20, Lee dies three months +- two to three weeks later (the time frame between Ep 2 and 3 is not given). Therefore Lee died at some point in early November, could be the first, but also the tenth.
My estimate in this thread (which, obviously, also isn't 100% accurate) is that Lee's death is on November 5th, making Clementine's birthday October 30.
It's from a timeline I found online, they basically took the dates from the comics so the outbreak began July 18th and worked from there. Th… moreey also used the tapes that were in Crawford and all of the other minor date details to be able to work out what day episode 3+ was on and then they just counted up.
The time skip between episode 2 and 3 was one week. Okay so it began on the 20th but I still stick with the rest of my dates. I assume by three months later it means exactly three months so that would be around October 21st then there's the 1 week time skip so October 31st and then the 4 or so days after so around November 3-5 was the day Lee died. So clem was born on October 28th-30th
The game does not give specific enough dates to nail down the exact day of Lee's death. The outbreak starts on July 20, Lee dies three month… mores +- two to three weeks later (the time frame between Ep 2 and 3 is not given). Therefore Lee died at some point in early November, could be the first, but also the tenth.
My estimate in this thread (which, obviously, also isn't 100% accurate) is that Lee's death is on November 5th, making Clementine's birthday October 30.
ANF is a mess. After 2 years of people on the internet saying/typing how S2 was bad, you would think a studio, which was once small and after the success of the game that cause them to grew into a large company, will listen or at least hear out the fans, but nah dawg.
"Let's bait comic fans to buy this series by adding their "favorite" character into the game, wha nah nah the old fans are going to love this because Clem is in it while maintaining this new audience that will start the game series backwards! Oh look a totally unique and not cliche-y plot, oh no bad camps, so scary, oh hey look impossible twists."
The time skip between episode 2 and 3 was one week. Okay so it began on the 20th but I still stick with the rest of my dates. I assume by th… moreree months later it means exactly three months so that would be around October 21st then there's the 1 week time skip so October 31st and then the 4 or so days after so around November 3-5 was the day Lee died. So clem was born on October 28th-30th
Not trying to start any shit, but it's actually:
* Starts on July 20.
* Episode 1 ends on July 23.
* Exactly three months later w… moreould be October 23.
* For argument's sake, exactly a week later (which we don't know for certain, it isn't mentioned or hinted at anywhere) would be October 30.
* Lee dies three days later, with this calculation that would be November 2.
But neither is right and neither is wrong. There simply isn't an official date.
I'd have to disagree. As far as a character that shows development, one of the bigger issues for me in ANF was the serious lack of development shown from Javier in Episode 1/2. He hadn't really shown much growth in four years, which was an injustice in storytelling. Compare that with other characters from TWD universe, and how they develop over the course of one year, and it really stands out. As to how he dispatches walkers, he's been presented as being reliant on others in nearly every combat situation. There's a lack of caution to his character that I feel has a wasted potential in his growth. ( I realize you've stated you're not counting the first two episodes, but every episode ought count. )
Javier did progress some in episode three, but honestly he had the least development of nearly all of the characters in that episode. We see much more from David and Kate. Gabe comes out of his angsty shell, and depending on dialogue choices has a better presence here. Conrad, for those that kept him, has significant development. Much of the episode's dimensions are fleshed out by David betrayed by his men, his community, and the loss of his daughter, as well as Kate's fear, anxiety and coldness towards her estranged husband.
While Javier has been given some interesting one-line deliveries, I'm not sure that will be enough to propel him into being as memorable as the most popular characters in TWD franchise. If any of the characters become as popular, or the most discussed from this season, I have a feeling it'll be Kate and David.
This thread wants debate and I shall deliver. Javier has the potential to be one of THE most popular walking dead characters spanning across… more the tv show to the comics to the video game. His character has really been developed more into season 3 and I believe he will finish a new frontier to have just as many fans as clementine. His one liners and insults are impressive, and with how he dispatches walkers I think he may also survive a new frontier. Anyone disagree or are we cool?
Kenny should never have been in season2....Carver should have been the primary villain with Carlos becoming a danger to the group...Sarah should have been better used as a friend for Clementine...perhaps used as a way to get Jane to understand that you do not have to give up on people and that just because all her effort to save her sister did not work...it was by no means a wasted effort.
I agree with the Kenneth part; A LOT of people were thinking that Christa was the one Clementine said "I thought you were dead" to. Yes, Kenny was a pleasant surprise, but he went to complete shit in Season 1, and he was worse than Carver in Season 2.
I agree with the Sarah bit as well. She should've been kept alive. HOWEVER; if we remember what Carlos had said to Clementine, that Sarah would cease to function, Sarah almost completely shutting down was proof of that statement.
Kenny should never have been in season2....Carver should have been the primary villain with Carlos becoming a danger to the group...Sarah sh… moreould have been better used as a friend for Clementine...perhaps used as a way to get Jane to understand that you do not have to give up on people and that just because all her effort to save her sister did not work...it was by no means a wasted effort.
Kenny, even at his worse, is no way comparable to Carver. Carver was a tyrannical and psychotic nutcase with no qualms about hurting innocents to serve his own position as the community dictator, using fear and violence as a means to keep people under him. Kenny, on the other hand, was someone who went to, sometimes extreme lengths, to protect those that he loved but always had the best of intentions.
I agree with the Kenneth part; A LOT of people were thinking that Christa was the one Clementine said "I thought you were dead" to. Yes, Ken… moreny was a pleasant surprise, but he went to complete shit in Season 1, and he was worse than Carver in Season 2.
I agree with the Sarah bit as well. She should've been kept alive. HOWEVER; if we remember what Carlos had said to Clementine, that Sarah would cease to function, Sarah almost completely shutting down was proof of that statement.
-Javier's story is a lot more interesting than it's credited for by the community
-Clementine's ascent to badass survivor/has much more realistic strength and capabilities so far
-Next time segments were never all that accurate in the first place, they won't be missed (feeling a bit skeptical on this one, however)
-Frames are a steady 40+, improvement from Batman
-Characters are likable and have emotion towards the dialogue you choose (like S1 if you ask me)
-Determinant curse is, so far, non-existent (again, skeptical for the sole fact that we only have Conrad and Badger as determinants)
-Nice metaphors and foreshadowing (I.E. Joan's cake and what's his face's spinach showing their character personalities)
-Many choices make slight alterations to scenes (Clementine's dialogue being a good one)
-Quick Time Events are more unique and if you pay attention many are in real time. Failing to do some QTEs can result in other characters doing them/not being done at all, but the game still progresses without going game-over
I can go on, but many die-hard Clementine fans probably stopped reading this chain at "A New Frontier" and are readying comments to shit on me lol
There's a theory that I heard about online, and it says that Javier is more like Negan and that Javi is a rising villain.
I'm not quite sure about that, because there's brief evidence that backs this up. If this theory was true, I think that would be pretty cool.. considering that Telltale should take a new approach. Basically, the theory says that Javier is a rising villain and that he is gradually becoming more like Negan. Part of the evidence is Javier's baseball bat, and how he was cocky about it in the third episode when Clem saved him from the walkers. Another piece of evidence as the theory says, is that if you choose to kill Badger, Jesus would say something about being "human" and not losing your humanity. It showed how brutal Javier is as a character, and how brutal he can or may be in episode 4 and 5. Speaking of Javier's flashbacks, he would strike us as a character who wasn't always there for his own family and was detached.. as if he never cared. Or at least, that's what Telltale showed us. In the first episode, he had the guts to kill his own father (who turned into a walker) despite not knowing about the walkers YET! They thought that Javi's father was just sick or something. But according to this theory, all this evidence is supposed to back up Javi's role as a future brutal character.
It would be pretty amazing if that was true though. Telltale could try going for something where we play as a rising villain.. someone who is gradually becoming the villain overtime. I'm aware that Bigby (from TWAU) was portrayed as a villain, but he was more like the type of hero who was ONCE a villain, and not a character who was becoming a villain overtime. Therefore, I think it would be quite interesting to see the protagonist becoming a villain.
I think that Sarah was more of a portrayal of how Clementine would've been if Lee never taught her how to survive... and Sarah wasn't able to survive or defend herself because Carlos never taught her how to do so.
Kenny should never have been in season2....Carver should have been the primary villain with Carlos becoming a danger to the group...Sarah sh… moreould have been better used as a friend for Clementine...perhaps used as a way to get Jane to understand that you do not have to give up on people and that just because all her effort to save her sister did not work...it was by no means a wasted effort.
I hardly call that debate worthy, but I will say this;
Neither party was worse and neither one was intentionally bad. Bonnie (determinant) is a woman who is caring and, in case you didn't notice, she hates people getting hurt (hence why she continuously apologizes whenever someone is hurt).
Arvo is merely misunderstood; he was a grieving boy who lost the last person who mattered to him the most. Then, he was verbally and physically and even emotionally abused and treated like an animal. (Determinant) his intention on shooting Clementine could be non-intentional or intentional. Back when we first encounter Arvo, we see his hand is actually very shaky (so most likely had an itchy trigger finger) and he said he did not want to have to shoot Clementine. If you're kind, Arvo almost looks shocked at what had happened and almost like he regretted it. If not, it is most likely he intended to shoot Clementine.
That is ALL I am gonna say about Arvo because I have debated about the boy one too many times, bringing up the same points with evidence. Any debate directed about Arvo will be ignored.
in case you didn't notice, she hates people getting hurt (hence why she continuously apologizes whenever someone is hurt).
If you covered Luke during the lake scene, Bonnie literally says "just leave her!" when Clem gets shot and is more concerned about her own well-being than Clem's. The only reason it'd be understandable to abandon Clem is if she flat out murdered Luke, but all she did was listen to Luke's instructions and cover him from the walkers.
I agree with your points on Arvo: him hating Clem for robbing him/killing his sister (not knowing that she turned) is understandable. Bonnie leaving Clem to die just because the latter didn't risk their life to save Luke is not.
I hardly call that debate worthy, but I will say this;
Neither party was worse and neither one was intentionally bad. Bonnie (determinant… more) is a woman who is caring and, in case you didn't notice, she hates people getting hurt (hence why she continuously apologizes whenever someone is hurt).
Arvo is merely misunderstood; he was a grieving boy who lost the last person who mattered to him the most. Then, he was verbally and physically and even emotionally abused and treated like an animal. (Determinant) his intention on shooting Clementine could be non-intentional or intentional. Back when we first encounter Arvo, we see his hand is actually very shaky (so most likely had an itchy trigger finger) and he said he did not want to have to shoot Clementine. If you're kind, Arvo almost looks shocked at what had happened and almost like he regretted it. If not, it is most likely he intended to shoot Clementine.
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If I ask which ones, I think some form of OCD will kick in where I'll have to take out each individual colour the next time I eat those. So I'm not gonna go there.
I can't eat Kenny and Jane.
Definitely. Obviously there has to be small details that we can piece together, otherwise how will we find out, right?
I vehemently disagree, even at the notion that Javier has the 'potential' to be one of the most popular characters. To suggest so to a fan of the comics, TV show and game is an insult to every decent character from their respective portion of the franchise - and to suggest that he possesses the possibility to become as popular as Clementine is laughable.
Between his S3E1 prologue and the rest of the season, we see little development from him and in other characters from the rest of ANF, and any development he receives we either do not see or is insignificant in relation to how he as a character changes or functions - not to mention that said development is completely dwarfed by other characters such as Kenny and Lilly from the video game alone.
The fact that he takes this role as a "witty, approachable badass leader with little to no flaws" already makes him a cliché protagonist that may not be difficult to like, but is not easy to believe or relate to. His place in the franchise of being a man dedicated to the protection of his family or whatever doesn't exactly bring anything new to the franchise that hasn't been repeated half a dozen times by more developed characters already.
Every competent character has unique methods of dispatching walkers - and I'm sorry, but if you believe one liners or insults are pathways for a character to receive recognition I think you have a very skewed view as to what makes a popular or a good character.
Well I suppose you do have a point there, in the latest post though, I removed the 'cussing'
I totally agree with you.
Abraham was a good character had he had a lot of one liners. I also said he HAS the potential to be. Not he is, so episode 1 and 2 do not count, but as of episode 3 his character has been given more depth to it, and could possibly show he is going down a dark path after possibly crushing badgers skull, the first ever walking dead protagonist who was once a good guy to turn evil and be a possible antagonist in season 4 would be very interesting. Clementine has also done many things that could have gotten her killed but Javier thinks things through, and even when he does get trapped he always makes his own way out. Clementine was completely incompetent in season 1, weak in season 2 and reckless in season 3 I still love clementine but I still believe that Javier may one day replace her.
Pretty confident there was more to Abraham to make people like him than one liners, but sure.
Episodes 1 and 2 do count, considering they make up about two-thirds of the time we know of Javier. Anything that we receive from his character in this time has to be taken into consideration when we're talking about his development across a season. You can't just say "nothing in this part counts towards his character because we just met him." And in this time we got little more than a guy, like so many others, dedicated exclusively to the upbringing of his familiar which is an overdone route in TWD.
I'm guessing you have no idea who Rick Grimes is if you think Javier is the only TWD protagonist to go from being kind of good to being kind of evil.
Even though the entire reason he was able to escape from TNF truck was because of what Clementine did with the tree?
Even though the entire reason he was able to bring Kate to someone who could help her was because Clementine knew about Richmond?
Even though Javier messed around with walkers like an idiot because he got excited to hold a baseball bat again, and struggled to fight off two walkers before Clementine helped him out?
Again, this tells me you have little idea of how to determine depth in a character. I'll give you Season 3, which in itself is a form of development regardless, but to call her incompetent in Season 1 and weak in Season 2 is both wrong in terms of how Clementine actually is in those seasons and wrong in terms that this apparently detracts from a character in comparison to Javier as well as implying that he can easily replace her as a character by not having these non-existent flaws.
Episode 1 and 2 do not count because I said HAS potential, not he has already EARNED potential. Therefore he still has to prove himself because the 1st 2 episodes were crap. Meaning starting from episode 3 he will start to get a larger fan base. And Rick isn't wholly evil, he wants to help a bunch of communities be free from the tyranny of Negan, while for Javier I am talking about him being the tyrant. Clem only survived the 1st few days cos she had a tree house, Lee had to save her countless times, she only got 2 walkers kills which was determinant, if not it was one walker kill, she got Lee killed because she trusted a creepy weirdo she hardly knew on the radio, she struggles to fight weak ass walkers, who, mind you, are decomposing to just bones so they are becoming weaker through the years, she struggled to move certain objects such as the dresser and the cannon and needed help to move both and she gets Omid killed by leaving her gun out in the open which you should never do if every moment is a danger to yourself.
I just wish Jane hung around longer after Kenny died.
The game does not give specific enough dates to nail down the exact day of Lee's death. The outbreak starts on July 20, Lee dies three months +- two to three weeks later (the time frame between Ep 2 and 3 is not given). Therefore Lee died at some point in early November, could be the first, but also the tenth.
My estimate in this thread (which, obviously, also isn't 100% accurate) is that Lee's death is on November 5th, making Clementine's birthday October 30.
October 30 by my count, but my timeline (see here) isn't (and can't be) 100% accurate. But in any case, late October to early November.
The time skip between episode 2 and 3 was one week. Okay so it began on the 20th but I still stick with the rest of my dates. I assume by three months later it means exactly three months so that would be around October 21st then there's the 1 week time skip so October 31st and then the 4 or so days after so around November 3-5 was the day Lee died. So clem was born on October 28th-30th
ANF is a mess. After 2 years of people on the internet saying/typing how S2 was bad, you would think a studio, which was once small and after the success of the game that cause them to grew into a large company, will listen or at least hear out the fans, but nah dawg.
"Let's bait comic fans to buy this series by adding their "favorite" character into the game, wha nah nah the old fans are going to love this because Clem is in it while maintaining this new audience that will start the game series backwards! Oh look a totally unique and not cliche-y plot, oh no bad camps, so scary, oh hey look impossible twists."
Not trying to start any shit, but it's actually:
Starts on July 20.
Episode 1 ends on July 23.
Exactly three months later would be October 23.
For argument's sake, exactly a week later (which we don't know for certain, it isn't mentioned or hinted at anywhere) would be October 30.
Lee dies three days later, with this calculation that would be November 2.
But neither is right and neither is wrong. There simply isn't an official date.
That's why I made a new comment fixing the mistakes I made.
I'd have to disagree. As far as a character that shows development, one of the bigger issues for me in ANF was the serious lack of development shown from Javier in Episode 1/2. He hadn't really shown much growth in four years, which was an injustice in storytelling. Compare that with other characters from TWD universe, and how they develop over the course of one year, and it really stands out. As to how he dispatches walkers, he's been presented as being reliant on others in nearly every combat situation. There's a lack of caution to his character that I feel has a wasted potential in his growth. ( I realize you've stated you're not counting the first two episodes, but every episode ought count. )
Javier did progress some in episode three, but honestly he had the least development of nearly all of the characters in that episode. We see much more from David and Kate. Gabe comes out of his angsty shell, and depending on dialogue choices has a better presence here. Conrad, for those that kept him, has significant development. Much of the episode's dimensions are fleshed out by David betrayed by his men, his community, and the loss of his daughter, as well as Kate's fear, anxiety and coldness towards her estranged husband.
While Javier has been given some interesting one-line deliveries, I'm not sure that will be enough to propel him into being as memorable as the most popular characters in TWD franchise. If any of the characters become as popular, or the most discussed from this season, I have a feeling it'll be Kate and David.
Well... she got half of that, anyways. Technically she did "hang around".
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Kenny should never have been in season2....Carver should have been the primary villain with Carlos becoming a danger to the group...Sarah should have been better used as a friend for Clementine...perhaps used as a way to get Jane to understand that you do not have to give up on people and that just because all her effort to save her sister did not work...it was by no means a wasted effort.
Clementine has to pay for Lee's death.
A New Frontier is not a bad game.
No you're not XD
I agree with the Kenneth part; A LOT of people were thinking that Christa was the one Clementine said "I thought you were dead" to. Yes, Kenny was a pleasant surprise, but he went to complete shit in Season 1, and he was worse than Carver in Season 2.
I agree with the Sarah bit as well. She should've been kept alive. HOWEVER; if we remember what Carlos had said to Clementine, that Sarah would cease to function, Sarah almost completely shutting down was proof of that statement.
Actual debate, like "Kenny deserved going through the windshield."
Yes bitchentine sucks
I think the traumatising experience of losing him was good enough.
No.
Nobody takes things seriously anymore.
Jane isn't a female dog
No we just see Clementine for who she really is
I forgive you just because you're a Kenny fan
Kenny, even at his worse, is no way comparable to Carver. Carver was a tyrannical and psychotic nutcase with no qualms about hurting innocents to serve his own position as the community dictator, using fear and violence as a means to keep people under him. Kenny, on the other hand, was someone who went to, sometimes extreme lengths, to protect those that he loved but always had the best of intentions.
There's a big difference.
-Javier's story is a lot more interesting than it's credited for by the community
-Clementine's ascent to badass survivor/has much more realistic strength and capabilities so far
-Next time segments were never all that accurate in the first place, they won't be missed (feeling a bit skeptical on this one, however)
-Frames are a steady 40+, improvement from Batman
-Characters are likable and have emotion towards the dialogue you choose (like S1 if you ask me)
-Determinant curse is, so far, non-existent (again, skeptical for the sole fact that we only have Conrad and Badger as determinants)
-Nice metaphors and foreshadowing (I.E. Joan's cake and what's his face's spinach showing their character personalities)
-Many choices make slight alterations to scenes (Clementine's dialogue being a good one)
-Quick Time Events are more unique and if you pay attention many are in real time. Failing to do some QTEs can result in other characters doing them/not being done at all, but the game still progresses without going game-over
I can go on, but many die-hard Clementine fans probably stopped reading this chain at "A New Frontier" and are readying comments to shit on me lol
There's a theory that I heard about online, and it says that Javier is more like Negan and that Javi is a rising villain.
I'm not quite sure about that, because there's brief evidence that backs this up. If this theory was true, I think that would be pretty cool.. considering that Telltale should take a new approach. Basically, the theory says that Javier is a rising villain and that he is gradually becoming more like Negan. Part of the evidence is Javier's baseball bat, and how he was cocky about it in the third episode when Clem saved him from the walkers. Another piece of evidence as the theory says, is that if you choose to kill Badger, Jesus would say something about being "human" and not losing your humanity. It showed how brutal Javier is as a character, and how brutal he can or may be in episode 4 and 5. Speaking of Javier's flashbacks, he would strike us as a character who wasn't always there for his own family and was detached.. as if he never cared. Or at least, that's what Telltale showed us. In the first episode, he had the guts to kill his own father (who turned into a walker) despite not knowing about the walkers YET! They thought that Javi's father was just sick or something. But according to this theory, all this evidence is supposed to back up Javi's role as a future brutal character.
By the way, I heard about that theory while watching a gamer's livestream of episode 3.
It would be pretty amazing if that was true though. Telltale could try going for something where we play as a rising villain.. someone who is gradually becoming the villain overtime. I'm aware that Bigby (from TWAU) was portrayed as a villain, but he was more like the type of hero who was ONCE a villain, and not a character who was becoming a villain overtime. Therefore, I think it would be quite interesting to see the protagonist becoming a villain.
I think that Sarah was more of a portrayal of how Clementine would've been if Lee never taught her how to survive... and Sarah wasn't able to survive or defend herself because Carlos never taught her how to do so.
But then again, the evidence isn't that much. Sorry if that was pretty long.
Bonnie is x10 worse than Arvo.
You could've just maybe edited your post, hon XD
I hardly call that debate worthy, but I will say this;
Neither party was worse and neither one was intentionally bad. Bonnie (determinant) is a woman who is caring and, in case you didn't notice, she hates people getting hurt (hence why she continuously apologizes whenever someone is hurt).
Arvo is merely misunderstood; he was a grieving boy who lost the last person who mattered to him the most. Then, he was verbally and physically and even emotionally abused and treated like an animal. (Determinant) his intention on shooting Clementine could be non-intentional or intentional. Back when we first encounter Arvo, we see his hand is actually very shaky (so most likely had an itchy trigger finger) and he said he did not want to have to shoot Clementine. If you're kind, Arvo almost looks shocked at what had happened and almost like he regretted it. If not, it is most likely he intended to shoot Clementine.
That is ALL I am gonna say about Arvo because I have debated about the boy one too many times, bringing up the same points with evidence. Any debate directed about Arvo will be ignored.
If you covered Luke during the lake scene, Bonnie literally says "just leave her!" when Clem gets shot and is more concerned about her own well-being than Clem's. The only reason it'd be understandable to abandon Clem is if she flat out murdered Luke, but all she did was listen to Luke's instructions and cover him from the walkers.
I agree with your points on Arvo: him hating Clem for robbing him/killing his sister (not knowing that she turned) is understandable. Bonnie leaving Clem to die just because the latter didn't risk their life to save Luke is not.