It's forced "character bonding" and it's not hard to see why it was left in, even though it serves no purpose other than to forcibly get the two characters to seem as though there is a trusting relationship when really it's all there as fluff.
How else should I treat it?
It's forced "character bonding" and it's not hard to see why it was left in, even though it serves no purpose… more other than to forcibly get the two characters to seem as though there is a trusting relationship when really it's all there as fluff.
Like, there's just a big old box of tampons lying around illicitly for the purpose of picking up immediately after that forced dialogue just so that Clem can give a look of approval for all the fan boys to cry about how the game is getting good cause she's "opening up."
if she hasn't lived under the social stigma that "periods are icky?"
That's all well and good. Kudos to the team at Telltale for, on… morece again, using an atom bomb to open a door. This time into inquiry about how young women develop.
But it isn't "mature" or "interesting" to have a character who is suppose to be a hardened survivor say directly outright about how she's starting to menstruate if it has no bearing on anything that is happening.
I also have to say I love it that it's used only as a "bonding" moment. Like, there's just a big old box of tampons lying around illicitly for the purpose of picking up immediately after that forced dialogue just so that Clem can give a look of approval for all the fan boys to cry about how the game is getting good cause she's "opening up."
Leave the fluff for the teddy bears and the porn shoots.
I come to play an interactive drama that's supposed to be thoroughly engaging and efficiently paced to have characters that act according to a situation, that's how attachment works. You get to relate to someone because they mimic understandable reactions to a given scene.
Not stop dead in their tracks to give a small speech about how they're changing into a woman and are having a hard time adjusting to it, in which case you as the player can go rummaging around while Clem assumedly stands around pouting again just to find the very thing she needs for her "problem."
Nevermind the fact that they're constantly in immediate danger of being killed or worse and have had no real development in the plot, the story needs to stop so that the writers can show just how "mature" they are by having a video game character complain about something that happens to every woman on the planet.
It's infantile fluff for people to be awed at the fact that the same game with the immaturity to have a pot smoking scene can also show just how deep and elaborate it's character structure is because of a character directly addressing the audience by going "ow, my va-jay-jay hurts" followed by immediately getting the thing she "needs."
Like, there's just a big old box of tampons lying around illicitly for the purpose of picking up immediately after that forced dialogue just… more so that Clem can give a look of approval for all the fan boys to cry about how the game is getting good cause she's "opening up."
Yeah, admittedly, that's kinda accurate.
I seem to remember some user(s) jokingly saying "what if in s3 you have to find pads for Clementine?" a long time ago. Well it seems like Telltale listened to that.
It's absurd how big of a deal you're making it. We're talking about one small scene here, it's hardly significant enought to warrant any increased danger to their setting.
Leave the fluff for the teddy bears and the porn shoots.
I come to play an interactive drama that's supposed to be thoroughly engaging an… mored efficiently paced to have characters that act according to a situation, that's how attachment works. You get to relate to someone because they mimic understandable reactions to a given scene.
Not stop dead in their tracks to give a small speech about how they're changing into a woman and are having a hard time adjusting to it, in which case you as the player can go rummaging around while Clem assumedly stands around pouting again just to find the very thing she needs for her "problem."
Nevermind the fact that they're constantly in immediate danger of being killed or worse and have had no real development in the plot, the story needs to stop so that the writers can show just how "mature" they are by having a video game character complain about something that happens to every woman on the planet.
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It's absurd how big of a deal you're making it. We're talking about one small scene here, it's hardly significant enought to warrant any increased danger to their setting.
In S1, it was more of a calm before the storm kind of situation so it didnt feel forced and was actually a cute little character moment for both surrogate father and surrogate daughter.
In S3, Javier is supposed to be on high alert considering he's sneaking around and just got attacked, why do we need some stupid and forced exchange about Clem's period right afterwards? This may actually have been a cute character moment between Javier and Clem but this relationship hasn't even gotten through the 2nd dimension and it's completely misplaced considering that Javier is kind of on a tight schedule to get shit done.
Oh no, that's exactly what I was trying to get at. That's exactly how I see the scene. It's just meant to be a funny little exchange to loos… moreen people up a bit. S1 is just as guilty of doing scenes like that ("did you lick it?"), yet no one seems very keen to jump S1's shit for it. I just don't get it.
Why can't a story have a small, semi-humorous moment like this without it having to explicitly tie into some greater meaning to the overall narrative? Why does everything have to be a piece of a bigger puzzle in order for it to be considered good writing in any capacity? Who wrote that into the rulebook anyways, and why do so many people put stock in it?
It was humorous scene and I had Javi act maturely. I'll admit I was a bit put off at first "We're not really about to talk about this are we?" but I quickly calmed down. It was mature, tasteful and gave me a good laugh.
I can't stop laughing about how the smallest story elements set people off!
The scene was supposed to remind you of how young Clementine is. She's so much more hardened and capable than ever before, and they were showing you that in a lot of ways she still needs an adult around to show her the ropes. She shouldn't be out on her own with nobody around because capable as she is, she's still just a kid. And it particularly shows that she's starting to trust and look to Javier for guidance, which is a big change from what she was like at the start.
It's also supposed to be sort of sad considering the context. Clementine knows how to stitch a wound, has stitched her own wound, and is in a room with a passed out addict without blinking an eye. But she doesn't even know what exactly a period is. It's a reminder that kids are having to learn things they shouldn't have to, yet don't have time to learn even the most basic, normal, human things.
It was just a little human moment that was meant to evoke the feeling of looking out for Clementine again. Telltale's Walking Dead series always had moments like this because it fleshes out character relationships and adds a human touch to a game that's usually so drama and action packed. Not everything has to be some big choice or death to add to the story and characters.
Yeah, I'm cool with this scene but the problem is people have started to sexualize Clementine before and after this scene. (Not gonna give out any names.) And their excuse for doing it is that Clementine is a bunch of pixels.
Which is true, yes. But it is pretty fucked up because I view Clementine as a daughter. And seeing people talk about her this way just makes me despise the forums and the people who say all that fucked up shit.
And Gabentine isn't helping either. I'm honestly getting sick and tired of it.
I can't stop laughing about how the smallest story elements set people off!
The scene was supposed to remind you of how young Clementine … moreis. She's so much more hardened and capable than ever before, and they were showing you that in a lot of ways she still needs an adult around to show her the ropes. She shouldn't be out on her own with nobody around because capable as she is, she's still just a kid. And it particularly shows that she's starting to trust and look to Javier for guidance, which is a big change from what she was like at the start.
It's also supposed to be sort of sad considering the context. Clementine knows how to stitch a wound, has stitched her own wound, and is in a room with a passed out addict without blinking an eye. But she doesn't even know what exactly a period is. It's a reminder that kids are having to learn things they shouldn't have to, yet don't have time to learn even the most basic, normal, human things.
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I guess there really is no pleasing anyone on this site, huh
They could probably take S1, swap some character models and release it, and … morepeople still wouldn't like it
It really feels like we're getting to a point where people are just being blindly vitriolic towards the series at this point. But that's just my brutally honest opinion... you know, the same thing none of you have any problem putting out there on a very consistent basis
At least it's a stranger talking to her recent friend/ally about something she doesn't understand. The Garcias had been traveling around for years together and Gabe outright states that he hates feeling moody all the time, so I think it's safe to assume they've already had that talk.
It might have actually been a nice human moment if Javier and Clem's relationship actually had any real depth and if it didn't take place in a scenario where it's supposed to be real intense since Javier is on the run from Joan's goons and is on a tight schedule to get shit done.
I can't stop laughing about how the smallest story elements set people off!
The scene was supposed to remind you of how young Clementine … moreis. She's so much more hardened and capable than ever before, and they were showing you that in a lot of ways she still needs an adult around to show her the ropes. She shouldn't be out on her own with nobody around because capable as she is, she's still just a kid. And it particularly shows that she's starting to trust and look to Javier for guidance, which is a big change from what she was like at the start.
It's also supposed to be sort of sad considering the context. Clementine knows how to stitch a wound, has stitched her own wound, and is in a room with a passed out addict without blinking an eye. But she doesn't even know what exactly a period is. It's a reminder that kids are having to learn things they shouldn't have to, yet don't have time to learn even the most basic, normal, human things.
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No more so than a contrived scene of a girl who has suffered more than we will ever know inappropriately asking for assistance on finding maxi-pads because she's having little cramps in her pelvic region.
I'm not hating on it completely, but it just seems like a weird thing to show ya know? Plus, considering that most people look at Clem as a daughter, most dads I think don't like hearing about their daughters first period. That's how I feel.
"Uncle Javi, something strange happened to me... my mini-Gaben grew today. What should I do?"
I'd image that's what the level of ineptitude would be reached to present something as "groundbreaking" and "interesting" as talk about puberty would go to with Gabe.
Of course, he'd also have that constant face of constipation while talking about it.
At least it's a stranger talking to her recent friend/ally about something she doesn't understand. The Garcias had been traveling around for… more years together and Gabe outright states that he hates feeling moody all the time, so I think it's safe to assume they've already had that talk.
I seem to remember some user(s) jokingly saying "what if in s3 you have to find pads for Clementine?" a long time ago. Well it seems like Telltale listened to that.
1 minute scene that was just a character asking another character that is in pain what is wrong, and then talking about what was wrong, has multiple topics on this site. I get the complaints about Jane/Kenny, underdeveloped characters like Eleanor, short episodes etc. but this? Really?
Yeah, I'm cool with this scene but the problem is people have started to sexualize Clementine before and after this scene. (Not gonna give o… moreut any names.) And their excuse for doing it is that Clementine is a bunch of pixels.
Which is true, yes. But it is pretty fucked up because I view Clementine as a daughter. And seeing people talk about her this way just makes me despise the forums and the people who say all that fucked up shit.
And Gabentine isn't helping either. I'm honestly getting sick and tired of it.
I've read a lot of your comments and I always respected them. But I can't shake the feeling, at least on this one, you complain for the sake of complaining. Or out of simple dislike towards Clementine.
In my opinion, not every single scene has to drive the plot, as has been mentioned. And yeah, maybe this scene felt a little awkward. But why should she feel ashamed to ask a question to a grown up man, about the topic of growing up? (I know you didn't say that, but that's part of the awkwardness I guess.)
So the more "side-scenes" we get, the better I think. And since I am a Clem fan to boot since S1E1, I say gimme more scenes (not specifically those kinds, but in general).
Also, these kinds of scenes take her "badassness" away, which is good. She's human. And you see her insecurity there. So, she gains depth. Moving from "simple badass", which some celebrate and I honestly don't understand, to human being (which she was before) (Reason being, usually human beings play tough when meeting new people, especially in extreme situations like apocalypses).
No more so than a contrived scene of a girl who has suffered more than we will ever know inappropriately asking for assistance on finding maxi-pads because she's having little cramps in her pelvic region.
I guess there really is no pleasing anyone on this site, huh
They could probably take S1, swap some character models and release it, and … morepeople still wouldn't like it
It really feels like we're getting to a point where people are just being blindly vitriolic towards the series at this point. But that's just my brutally honest opinion... you know, the same thing none of you have any problem putting out there on a very consistent basis
I agree with you @Deltino. I am a fan of side scenes. Anything that contributes to the whole, which doesn't have to drive the narrative/plot. It's the little things that contribute as well.
Oh no, that's exactly what I was trying to get at. That's exactly how I see the scene. It's just meant to be a funny little exchange to loos… moreen people up a bit. S1 is just as guilty of doing scenes like that ("did you lick it?"), yet no one seems very keen to jump S1's shit for it. I just don't get it.
Why can't a story have a small, semi-humorous moment like this without it having to explicitly tie into some greater meaning to the overall narrative? Why does everything have to be a piece of a bigger puzzle in order for it to be considered good writing in any capacity? Who wrote that into the rulebook anyways, and why do so many people put stock in it?
I agree with you @Deltino. I am a fan of side scenes. Anything that contributes to the whole, which doesn't have to drive the narrative/plot. It's the little things that contribute as well.
Anything is a start, even if Episode 4 is a bit late. Who knows how Episode 5 goes? Don't want to throw Season 4 but if that were the case, with both Javi and Clem, we'd have a solid starting point for their relationship to develop.
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How else should I treat it?
It's forced "character bonding" and it's not hard to see why it was left in, even though it serves no purpose other than to forcibly get the two characters to seem as though there is a trusting relationship when really it's all there as fluff.
Without any fluff you've got a sad teddybear. What's forced about it?
Yeah, admittedly, that's kinda accurate.
Leave the fluff for the teddy bears and the porn shoots.
I come to play an interactive drama that's supposed to be thoroughly engaging and efficiently paced to have characters that act according to a situation, that's how attachment works. You get to relate to someone because they mimic understandable reactions to a given scene.
Not stop dead in their tracks to give a small speech about how they're changing into a woman and are having a hard time adjusting to it, in which case you as the player can go rummaging around while Clem assumedly stands around pouting again just to find the very thing she needs for her "problem."
Nevermind the fact that they're constantly in immediate danger of being killed or worse and have had no real development in the plot, the story needs to stop so that the writers can show just how "mature" they are by having a video game character complain about something that happens to every woman on the planet.
It's infantile fluff for people to be awed at the fact that the same game with the immaturity to have a pot smoking scene can also show just how deep and elaborate it's character structure is because of a character directly addressing the audience by going "ow, my va-jay-jay hurts" followed by immediately getting the thing she "needs."
It's also immensely annoying.
I seem to remember some user(s) jokingly saying "what if in s3 you have to find pads for Clementine?" a long time ago. Well it seems like Telltale listened to that.
It's absurd how big of a deal you're making it. We're talking about one small scene here, it's hardly significant enought to warrant any increased danger to their setting.
You're the one who asked... I'm simply giving a response.
In S1, it was more of a calm before the storm kind of situation so it didnt feel forced and was actually a cute little character moment for both surrogate father and surrogate daughter.
In S3, Javier is supposed to be on high alert considering he's sneaking around and just got attacked, why do we need some stupid and forced exchange about Clem's period right afterwards? This may actually have been a cute character moment between Javier and Clem but this relationship hasn't even gotten through the 2nd dimension and it's completely misplaced considering that Javier is kind of on a tight schedule to get shit done.
The next awkward scene will be Gabe talking about boners.
I honestly don't see them doing that.
It was humorous scene and I had Javi act maturely. I'll admit I was a bit put off at first "We're not really about to talk about this are we?" but I quickly calmed down. It was mature, tasteful and gave me a good laugh.
That's what many said about Clem talking about periods.
I can't stop laughing about how the smallest story elements set people off!
The scene was supposed to remind you of how young Clementine is. She's so much more hardened and capable than ever before, and they were showing you that in a lot of ways she still needs an adult around to show her the ropes. She shouldn't be out on her own with nobody around because capable as she is, she's still just a kid. And it particularly shows that she's starting to trust and look to Javier for guidance, which is a big change from what she was like at the start.
It's also supposed to be sort of sad considering the context. Clementine knows how to stitch a wound, has stitched her own wound, and is in a room with a passed out addict without blinking an eye. But she doesn't even know what exactly a period is. It's a reminder that kids are having to learn things they shouldn't have to, yet don't have time to learn even the most basic, normal, human things.
It was just a little human moment that was meant to evoke the feeling of looking out for Clementine again. Telltale's Walking Dead series always had moments like this because it fleshes out character relationships and adds a human touch to a game that's usually so drama and action packed. Not everything has to be some big choice or death to add to the story and characters.
Yeah, I'm cool with this scene but the problem is people have started to sexualize Clementine before and after this scene. (Not gonna give out any names.) And their excuse for doing it is that Clementine is a bunch of pixels.
Which is true, yes. But it is pretty fucked up because I view Clementine as a daughter. And seeing people talk about her this way just makes me despise the forums and the people who say all that fucked up shit.
And Gabentine isn't helping either. I'm honestly getting sick and tired of it.
You're 100% right. People will complain about anything now.
Because Gabe is a girl
OMG, I have a feeling that Clem is bitten. I hope I'm fucking wrong.
And I'm simply stating it's absurd.
Pretty sure he'd be showing by now, though these games did have a habit of making some teenagers look no older than 12.
At least it's a stranger talking to her recent friend/ally about something she doesn't understand. The Garcias had been traveling around for years together and Gabe outright states that he hates feeling moody all the time, so I think it's safe to assume they've already had that talk.
It might have actually been a nice human moment if Javier and Clem's relationship actually had any real depth and if it didn't take place in a scenario where it's supposed to be real intense since Javier is on the run from Joan's goons and is on a tight schedule to get shit done.
Chill, she isn't bitten. She's just on her period.
Yes, you are fucking wrong. (So don't worry! Everything is fine!)
No more so than a contrived scene of a girl who has suffered more than we will ever know inappropriately asking for assistance on finding maxi-pads because she's having little cramps in her pelvic region.
Dude, chill out.
Hey, I hate to break to you son, but it happens eventually.
What? I'm reassuring you. Okay, I'm stopping. Have a great time.
"Uncle Javi, something strange happened to me... my mini-Gaben grew today. What should I do?"
I'd image that's what the level of ineptitude would be reached to present something as "groundbreaking" and "interesting" as talk about puberty would go to with Gabe.
Of course, he'd also have that constant face of constipation while talking about it.
Of all the things they could have listened to, good to know they chose that.
That almost sounds like the punch line of a dirty joke.
1 minute scene that was just a character asking another character that is in pain what is wrong, and then talking about what was wrong, has multiple topics on this site. I get the complaints about Jane/Kenny, underdeveloped characters like Eleanor, short episodes etc. but this? Really?
Yeah, good to know they've got their priorities straight.
Fans: "Make our season 2 endings matter!"
TT: "lol no"
Fans: "Make us fetch some pads for Clementine!"
TT: Say no more, we got this fams"
It's not really a problem unless you want it to be a problem. Just ignore them, man.
I've read a lot of your comments and I always respected them. But I can't shake the feeling, at least on this one, you complain for the sake of complaining. Or out of simple dislike towards Clementine.
In my opinion, not every single scene has to drive the plot, as has been mentioned. And yeah, maybe this scene felt a little awkward. But why should she feel ashamed to ask a question to a grown up man, about the topic of growing up? (I know you didn't say that, but that's part of the awkwardness I guess.)
So the more "side-scenes" we get, the better I think. And since I am a Clem fan to boot since S1E1, I say gimme more scenes (not specifically those kinds, but in general).
Also, these kinds of scenes take her "badassness" away, which is good. She's human. And you see her insecurity there. So, she gains depth. Moving from "simple badass", which some celebrate and I honestly don't understand, to human being (which she was before) (Reason being, usually human beings play tough when meeting new people, especially in extreme situations like apocalypses).
No hard feelings.
I liked the scene. It felt natural. Why is everyone complaining about this scene so much lol?
I know I complained a lot about Ep1 - 3 but I like Ep4 and don't understand how this scene is bad or awkward in any way.
I agree with you @Deltino. I am a fan of side scenes. Anything that contributes to the whole, which doesn't have to drive the narrative/plot. It's the little things that contribute as well.
What exactly does this contribute to Clem and Javier's bare bones relationship?
Anything is a start, even if Episode 4 is a bit late. Who knows how Episode 5 goes? Don't want to throw Season 4 but if that were the case, with both Javi and Clem, we'd have a solid starting point for their relationship to develop.