How am I supposed to care about characters that are this inconsistant?

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  • dojo32161dojo32161 Moderator

    Because where do we draw the line for forgiveness then?

    It's always going to depend on the person and what context they viewed the situation. Arvo's one of my personal favorite characters but I acknowledge what he did was wrong and completely out of line, however I can also see the reasoning behind his actions and how the situation led up to it. For me, it's always going to depend on what the character's reasoning was, what information they had at the time of the decision, and whether or not their idea was really worth the risk.

    Domi_nique posted: »

    I did that uneven comparison on purpose. Because where do we draw the line for forgiveness then? Does it depend on the number how many people died? If they died directly or indirectly by your actions?

  • Yeah, I can't believe how many characters I hate in this story. I really do try to like them when I'm playing, but they are just so all over place. And I know it's Telltale just forcing that drama in, even if it's either unnecessary or does not flow well. This game patheticly tries to make you feel bad for your choices, but it just takes me out of the experience being around all these unlikable characters and their constant mood swings.

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    There's a chance that Joan's people took hold of Tripp somehow and she used him as a bargaining chip: "You spill the beans about what that cholo is planning to do and we'll do no harm to your friend". Then again, it would still seem kinda off since Eleanor looked pretty serious and didn't even flinch when Joan exposed her betrayal.

    Domi_nique posted: »

    Yeah, because people who destroy her home, kill all citizens and even shoot a young, innocent girl in cold blood are going to solve a planned coup peacefully. No adult person can be that stupid.

  • Finally some truth. I don't understand everyone sticking up for Eleanor, I even liked her for the first 3 episodes. The only way her betrayal makes any sense is shitty writing. Her and Tripp were annoying in this episode.

    Bonbon80 posted: »

    They killed a 10 year old girl in front of her own eyes. She is just a backstabbing bitch. Same level as Bonnie. Just Eleanor is a medic, Bonnie just a thug and junkie.

  • Clem, Javi, Kate & Gabe (if he grows the fuck up.) Are the best family.

    Bonbon80 posted: »

    I feel the same. I care most about Clem, Javi and David. They can make a nice group/family of survivors. Perhaps including AJ. And even Gabe to stir more problems lol.

  • David only done that because there was absolutely no way Joan was going to let us just walk out of the door. She even says that just before Clint cuts David loose. David killing Clint was bullshit though.

    Honestly, fuck David, I was really starting to like him, then when we get offered safe passage out of Richmond and everything seems to be fi

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    I found it so hilarious that after Tripp goes on a tirade on how terrible of a person Javier is and states he never wants to speak to Javier again; Tripp all of a sudden, in the climax, states that he's got Javier's back in the shootout and it's even more hilarious if you actually kill Conrad and choose Ava.

  • Quality writing my friend.

    J-Master posted: »

    I found it so hilarious that after Tripp goes on a tirade on how terrible of a person Javier is and states he never wants to speak to Javie

  • True, but they still should've built that shit up better.

    AgentZ46 posted: »

    It only makes no sense because we don't know the whole story. I doubt that fans will forgive her but I believe she has her reasons and she didn't at all except someone to die. Maybe except for David.

  • This.

    dojo32161 posted: »

    Because where do we draw the line for forgiveness then? It's always going to depend on the person and what context they viewed the s

  • I agree that the betrayal makes less sense if Conrad is alive. I feel like a few more lines of dialogue or a conversation with her during E4 would've gone a long way towards this having more impact, and being clear after the fact. They might've even avoided it if she had perhaps gone to Clint, and Clint brought it to Joan which would've also given the ending where David pursues Clint after Joan is shot as having more meaning.

    This. Oh my goodness, this.

    There are no motivations given as to why she would think after the death of her entire community she could trust their murderers.

    She does argue against assassination Joan or starting a civil war in Richmond, with her goodwill achieved through Dr. Lingard being cited as a way to do things peacefully. Tripp also argues that the rest of the group wouldn't be as welcome as she is at the beginning.

    Still, they really should've given her focus to build that up better.

    Poptarts posted: »

    The betrayal makes sense if you killed Conrad. She's acting on pure emotion after her own feeling of betrayal. What isn't done as well in th

  • (Except for Tripp and Eleanor, which seem to have no traits at all)

    Tripp more so than Eleanor, I'd say.

    Homerous posted: »

    Every single character in this game is designed with being unique in one way. Just one. (Except for Tripp and Eleanor, which seem to have no

  • Yeah, I was looking forward to some vitriol between those two and more of the group being a bit sketchy with three wild cards in it. But they don't even mention each other from what I recall.

    I love how this conrad thing is starting to be presented as if most players killed him for no reason, no its another example of a character

  • Tripp was a shitty since Part 2, dude. At this point, I'm just assuming he's mentally handicapped or at least been hit in the head too many times.

    J-Master posted: »

    I found it so hilarious that after Tripp goes on a tirade on how terrible of a person Javier is and states he never wants to speak to Javie

  • You would really trust Joan to just let us walk away? Did you forget the fact that she is responsible for the death of communities, people and children? She is the reason Mariana and Ava/Tripp died. She didn't deserve to live. I shot that bitch ASAP. David did the right thing. If he didn't do it, Javier's whole group would have died.

    Honestly, fuck David, I was really starting to like him, then when we get offered safe passage out of Richmond and everything seems to be fi

  • I feel like that whole sequence was really inconsistent tbh, there is no way that the people of Richmond would still consider Joan their leader after she openly executes someone in front of everyone, I also see no reason why she wouldnt let them go, what does she gain from killing them? they dont want to be in Richmond anyways, why not just get them the fuck out and be done with it?

    AronDracula posted: »

    You would really trust Joan to just let us walk away? Did you forget the fact that she is responsible for the death of communities, people a

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    How am I supposed to care about characters that are this inconsistent?

    Easy.

    Just don't.

  • Yeah, just because I dislike most of the cast of a video game makes me a weird person. Okay.

    Domi_nique posted: »

    Weird person you are. But the Season Two profile-picture makes sense then.

  • It's not that they're not 100% all the time. It's the fact that we have no reason to care about them. They have just about no character, and the ones that do are either stupid for plot reasons or stupid because of Telltale's weird writing. In every other game they've made, most of the characters at least had reasons for the things they did, but in this season they're all idiots. How can I care about characters that I know nothing about and act mentally retarded 90% of the time?

    AgentZ46 posted: »

    I'll be honest, the way you feel really surprises me. I really just cannot understand this forum. It feels as though unless a character's

  • I agree, Motor Inn group was the first and most memorable one, full of various and complex characters.

    Cabin Group was relatable, flawed and nicely developed despite problems with Kenny. It's still painful to think how they all died.

    But Prescott group (?) seems to be just a jumble of random, disorganized people surviving on the purest of luck.

    Clem-Clem posted: »

    I can't believe this is the first season where I want most of the cast to die. They're all extremely unlikeable and boring.

  • there is no way that the people of Richmond would still consider Joan their leader after she openly executes someone in front of everyone

    It takes them forever to realise that their leader is a murderer.

    I also see no reason why she wouldnt let them go, what does she gain from killing them?

    What did she gain from killing Ava/Tripp? That's my question

    they dont want to be in Richmond anyways, why not just get them the fuck out and be done with it?

    Why not just kill this bitch who keeps destroying communities? What if Javier's group ends up in commmunity and The New Frontier comes to raid it?

    I feel like that whole sequence was really inconsistent tbh, there is no way that the people of Richmond would still consider Joan their lea

  • I think they're also saying they didn't like Nick.

    Clem-Clem posted: »

    Yeah, just because I dislike most of the cast of a video game makes me a weird person. Okay.

  • Were you always this funny?

  • At least with the other two groups I could trust them and had a solid relationship with them. Not in this season, though. Eleanor and Gabe backstabbed me, David is going off the rails and ruined his own revolution by shooting Clint (I thought the deal would give us a bit of a leverage to negotiate and eventually get him/the people of Richmond on our side), Kate is possibly dead, Tripp is mad at me and Ava's dead... The only who has my ass is Clem and apparently determinate Conrad (who I killed in my game).

    fallandir posted: »

    I agree, Motor Inn group was the first and most memorable one, full of various and complex characters. Cabin Group was relatable, flawed

  • lmao Danny st John was the most cliche evil character ever

    Homerous posted: »

    Every single character in this game is designed with being unique in one way. Just one. (Except for Tripp and Eleanor, which seem to have no

  • I contribute it to the poor writing of the characters and the season.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Tripp was a shitty since Part 2, dude. At this point, I'm just assuming he's mentally handicapped or at least been hit in the head too many times.

  • Fair enough, but I truly feel that applies to him in particular.

    Chibikid posted: »

    I contribute it to the poor writing of the characters and the season.

  • It does just like it did to Kenny. I feel that it is a part of how his character is its just how it's executed.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Fair enough, but I truly feel that applies to him in particular.

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    Tripp used to be Kenny 0.6, yet attempt to capitalize on the fisherman's 'popularity." Now, he's just a waste of time.

    Chibikid posted: »

    It does just like it did to Kenny. I feel that it is a part of how his character is its just how it's executed.

  • honestly fuck gabe fuck the rest of the cast. tripp was cool but he fucked that up. im ideal ending would be david dies. gabe attacks javi over his father's death . clem shoots gabe to save javi . javi and clem find aj and javier helps clem raise him kinda like clem and kenny. yay season three wouldnt be a complete fuck up

  • i wish it was that easy but this game forces these characters upon you

    DabigRG posted: »

    Were you always this funny?

  • Yeah, this season has only bad writers, we know.

  • Maybe, but at least he wasn't evil because the game screamed at you that hes evil. Instead, you (Lee) find out about it.
    Also, I dont think so. Carver is so much worse in my opinion. Maybe because I waited for a twist for two episodes, which made those episoden pretty supid and meaningless after playing through the game. Danny is a very powerless and frustrated guy, who suddenly gets power and makes horrible use of it. Its maybe the same with Andy, but I consider him much smarter and with another motivation then use of power. Fascism pretty much worked only because of that.
    What I'm trying to say: No. And even yes, it doesnt matter, cause its delivered better.

    lmao Danny st John was the most cliche evil character ever

  • I guess thats right. I just didnt care about both of them and the game wasnt trying to convince me to do. The way I see it now, Eleanor actually has traits (or at least one), while Tripp is...just some guy with a funny hairstyle.

    DabigRG posted: »

    (Except for Tripp and Eleanor, which seem to have no traits at all) Tripp more so than Eleanor, I'd say.

  • How is Carver worse? He had reasons Danny did it because he wanted pure enjoyment there are so many more characters like Danny he's not unique at all

    Homerous posted: »

    Maybe, but at least he wasn't evil because the game screamed at you that hes evil. Instead, you (Lee) find out about it. Also, I dont think

  • Here here.

    Homerous posted: »

    I guess thats right. I just didnt care about both of them and the game wasnt trying to convince me to do. The way I see it now, Eleanor actually has traits (or at least one), while Tripp is...just some guy with a funny hairstyle.

  • So what makes Carver so unique? His sick coat? (Although I would totally accept this as a reason). He seems pretty Standart in the TWD universe.

    How is Carver worse? He had reasons Danny did it because he wanted pure enjoyment there are so many more characters like Danny he's not unique at all

  • He wasn't really but still alot better than Danny

    Homerous posted: »

    So what makes Carver so unique? His sick coat? (Although I would totally accept this as a reason). He seems pretty Standart in the TWD universe.

  • With a lot of writers, they can't even make this season a masterpiece.

    Jayroen posted: »

    Yeah, this season has only bad writers, we know.

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