A.J should be killed off in the next episode

Tempted by the dark side for many months I have. Kill off A.J in the next episode Telltale must. A burden to Clem he is. Not only a burden to her both phsyically and mentally is he, but also limiting the extent of her character development, he is. Only a mother Clem will ever be. Lose her independence Clementine will. A stock character A.J only will ever be and a useless yougling at best.

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  • Plot twist is AJ has been calling the shots from the ranch after being trained by David and Ava.

  • edited April 2017

    Plot twist is AJ has been calling the shots in Richmond from the ranch after being trained by David and Ava.

  • LOL A.J might of also programmed Lingard to want to kill himself because he was the only one who knew his location

  • Then Season 2 will have virtually no purpose in the series if AJ is killed off in the finale.

    AJ is the only character left to help tie Season 2 in Clementine's story.

  • I think AJ dying for good instead of "there's still hope that he didn't die from this disease" might not have the best effect on Clem's sanity, she's basically his mom after all, and while AJ is really just a (really cute) plot device for now I think a 4~7 year time skip where he could actually talk and do things will make him way more interesting for the story.

  • I just don't see the sense in killing off AJ. All this build up for nothing? It's illogical.

  • Killing AJ will make Season Two pointless and even a majority of ANF. If he does die, It'll most likely drive Clem into insanity or depression and she'll maybe even kill herself.

    I don't want to picture that...

  • To be completely and utterly honest, I don't really care much about AJ, so if they were to do that I wouldn't be too upset lmao.

  • Season 2 should at least matter for A New Frontier cause the whole S2 cast is dead and AJ is the last one alive. Killing AJ is a terrible decision. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACT

  • Babies in fiction are always the worst. I'm super ok with him dying.

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    even a majority of ANF

    Last time I played ANF, Javier's story was the 'majority' because Telltale thought Javier was better than Clem for whatever fucking reason.

    MRSHYGUY45 posted: »

    Killing AJ will make Season Two pointless and even a majority of ANF. If he does die, It'll most likely drive Clem into insanity or depression and she'll maybe even kill herself. I don't want to picture that...

  • What would the point be? Season 2 would be pointless, if youre gonna kill anyone kill fucking David

  • So then the only Season 2 relevance we'd have left in Jane's tricks, the Wendigo, and the upcoming Russian Invasion.

    But sure, go ahead and kill him off so Clementine can finally kill herself and we can all move on to a different series.

  • You sound like that's never happened before.

    AgentZ46 posted: »

    I just don't see the sense in killing off AJ. All this build up for nothing? It's illogical.

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    Why are people so invested in him when we barely spent any time with him and he's done little to nothing.

  • Because Clementine and Kenny care about him, that's why.

    Chibikid posted: »

    Why are people so invested in him when we barely spent any time with him and he's done little to nothing.

  • Javier cares about Kate and Gabe which doesn't automatically mean I like them too.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Because Clementine and Kenny care about him, that's why.

  • Yoda Nooo! Don't give in to the darkside.

    I don't know about AJ dying. It would seem kinda weird to kill off a character that's barely had any screen time, but is the overall motivation for a main character. It would just be like kind of a fuck you to the player and Clem after everything.

  • Well let's see here.

    • Realistically speaking AJ should've been long dead, no human baby would be able to survive extreme, constant cold and lack of protein/vitamins/healthcare.

    • He also could've been affected by poor decision making and died after injection, from the inappropriate dose of a strong drug.

    • He could've died anyway, simply from this sickness he was having last time we've seen him.

    Now, if AJ is found dead or dies by the end of the season:
    1. it causes Clementine to flip her shit, murdering everyone on sight and then tracking down and killing people responsible for AJ's death (if there are not present);
    2. Clementine either kills herself or goes batshit crazy, losing all morality and common sense - AJ's death basically destroyed her already damaged psyche;
    3. Clementine leaves Javier and wonders off alone, and her fate becomes unknown (kinda like Kenny after "go to Wellington" ending);
    4. it's the end of Clem's story - after AJ's death, she's got absolutely no reason to keep fighting.

  • If he does die, It'll most likely drive Clem into insanity or depression

    Then I guess it would be...

    puts shades on

    The Walking Depression.

    ...I'm sorry I just had to.

    MRSHYGUY45 posted: »

    Killing AJ will make Season Two pointless and even a majority of ANF. If he does die, It'll most likely drive Clem into insanity or depression and she'll maybe even kill herself. I don't want to picture that...

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    I don't think that Clem would kill herself if A.J dies. She, after all, did assume that A.J had died after she had left the new frontier. Why didn't she kill herself then? Clementine has a stronger will to live than many people assume.

    Clementine leaves Javier and wonders off alone, and her fate becomes unknown (kinda like Kenny after "go to Wellington" ending)

    This would actually be a very interesting story arc for Clem's character. She wanders off alone and tries to find meaning in her life and in her suffering. The story would then have a more philosophical and introspective take on the TWD narrative; something that hasn't been really explored much in the franchise. But after all, I assume that most people other than me wouldn't want that kind of story. It would be too deep.

    fallandir posted: »

    Well let's see here. * Realistically speaking AJ should've been long dead, no human baby would be able to survive extreme, constant col

  • The Walking Depression.

    This basically sums up the whole name of the franchise

    CatySky posted: »

    If he does die, It'll most likely drive Clem into insanity or depression Then I guess it would be... puts shades on The Walking Depression. ...I'm sorry I just had to.

  • Why didn't she do that then?

    Back then she's only assumed he was dead, never had any proof or confirmation, only her assumptions which were as grim as they could. If she did see the corpse and was sure AJ's really dead, it would be much worse. She was completely devastated when they had been separated for a while, so just imagine what would happen if they were like this forever.

    She wanders off alone and tries to find meaning in her life and in her suffering.

    So, like Michonne in the Miniseries?

    Yo-da-Man posted: »

    I don't think that Clem would kill herself if A.J dies. She, after all, did assume that A.J had died after she had left the new frontier. Wh

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    It would just be like kind of a fuck you to the player and Clem after everything.

    Telltale: Hey Clem.

    Clem: Yes?

    Telltale: Fuck You. [Kills off A.J]

    Clem: I guess this will never get old.

    DoubleJump posted: »

    Yoda Nooo! Don't give in to the darkside. I don't know about AJ dying. It would seem kinda weird to kill off a character that's barely ha

  • If telltale goes down that route I wouldn't be surprised if they had Clem kill herself. Her purpose of staying alive and keep going is to find AJ and keep him alive. With AJ gone I think she'll go into deep mourning and depression and find it hard to move and keep going with another person in her life (whose practical like a family member) killed.

    We will just have to wait for episode 5 and see what's become of AJ.

  • Because AJ is a living symbol of hope and life; a baby born "amid the ruins", surrounded by chaos and evil, yet still managed to survive despite all the troubles. A metaphor of light, a pure, innocent and true being, not touched by the inhumanity of the apocalypse and maybe a future messenger of peace and righteousness.

    Chibikid posted: »

    Why are people so invested in him when we barely spent any time with him and he's done little to nothing.

  • Then doesn't that make Clementines goal in the season relatively pointless?

  • ........wow....I think you put more effort into that mini description than telltale did most of ANF.

    fallandir posted: »

    Because AJ is a living symbol of hope and life; a baby born "amid the ruins", surrounded by chaos and evil, yet still managed to survive des

  • This says something about Telltale then...

    Chibikid posted: »

    ........wow....I think you put more effort into that mini description than telltale did most of ANF.

  • Lord no more Kenny arc characters.

    fallandir posted: »

    Well let's see here. * Realistically speaking AJ should've been long dead, no human baby would be able to survive extreme, constant col

  • Well, obviously. Kate and Gabe are characters you actually interact with on a relatively frequent basis, with ups and downs that define their characters as flawed individuals; AJ on the other hand, is a relatively new toddler who has yet to take his first steps and has been given very sparse screentime beyond Clementine and Kenny's actions regarding him. As you said, he's done practically nothing yet but that's because he realistically can't and Clementine's background motivation is trying to ensure that he eventually can.

    However, it is still up to you how you feel about him from what little we've seen.

    Chibikid posted: »

    Javier cares about Kate and Gabe which doesn't automatically mean I like them too.

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    Why didn't she kill herself then?

    Because Ava convinced her to find something else to live for.

    Clementine has a stronger will to live than many people assume.

    That too.

    She wanders off alone and tries to find meaning in her life and in her suffering. The story would then have a more philosophical and introspective take on the TWD narrative; something that hasn't been really explored much in the franchise.

    Something they should've done with previous characters, no doubt.

    Yo-da-Man posted: »

    I don't think that Clem would kill herself if A.J dies. She, after all, did assume that A.J had died after she had left the new frontier. Wh

  • preach

    fallandir posted: »

    Because AJ is a living symbol of hope and life; a baby born "amid the ruins", surrounded by chaos and evil, yet still managed to survive des

  • 10 minutes later.
    telltale: Clem

    clem: what now

    telltale: were gonna force you with gabe (even though common sense say no
    https://telltale.com/community/discussion/114048/thing-that-need-to-be-talked-about for more info)

    clem: fuck. cant stand the prick. Just like david

    Yo-da-Man posted: »

    It would just be like kind of a fuck you to the player and Clem after everything. Telltale: Hey Clem. Clem: Yes? Telltale: Fuck You. [Kills off A.J] Clem: I guess this will never get old.

  • If they went down that route yes but they only brought Clem into season 3 as there wasn't any point having a season 3 without her.

    I personally hope they don't kill Clem as it's been a good journey watching her grow. But killing is sort of any "easy" option on telltale part as they could either just have the series follow Javier or stop the whole franchise altogether and do mini series like michonne for other TWD characters.

    ralo229 posted: »

    Then doesn't that make Clementines goal in the season relatively pointless?

  • Nooo i wouldn't want AJ to die. Remember how much Kenny cared for him? I feel like keeping AJ alive is like fulfilling Kenny's wish. He would be super proud of Clem for how hard shes trying to keep him safe.

  • Some people just don't like babies in fiction. They're difficult to write for and write around well without sacrificing pacing, and immersion. There's also a crowd that wouldn't like Clem to be 'super mom' with the whole teen pregnancy craze, and some girls already believing that it's super easy to be a single mom. If a thirteen year old can do it in the zombie apocalypse that well, it does look easy.

    I like that Telltale tries to avoid these tropes by having the pair of them near starving to death, and AJ dying of fever before they reach A New Frontier. If Clem gets AJ back, I hope she stays around other people so they both can survive. If he dies, her conscience remains clear and she can at least in her mind believe that if she had never lost AJ, she would've been able to keep him alive and protected. If she has to surrender him to another family, again her conscience can remain clear. She was doing what was best for AJ. If he were to die while he was with her - freezing, of thirst or hunger, or disease - it would haunt her for the rest of her life, however short that was.

  • Bait post. Killing AJ as a plot device is like Clem losing Christa and Omid as a plot device. Write better characters.

  • Yes please. I didn't care about him in 2 and still don't now.

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