If you hate Gabe but love Kenny you are a hypocrite!
I have noticed that the majority of the people here hate Gabe, which is understandable for the most part. However, I noticed those same people love Kenny and characters like Kenny such as Nick. Now I am here to say that if you hate Gabe but love Kenny, then you are a hypocrite! There, I said it. Plain and simple. Let me give you reasons as to why that is.
Complaint #1: "I hate Gabe because he is a whiny little bitch who needs to grow up"
Understandable. Whenever Gabe talks he whines a lot. BUT remember Kenny always whining? No? Well let me remind you. In season one it was always, "Lee you didn't take my side so fuck you", "We need to get a boat! You disagree? Fuck you we are getting a boat anyways!", "Kill Larry! Kill Ben! What? You didn't kill them? Fuck you!". "You didn't have my back all the time so I am willing to let a little girl die to spite you! Such, is my immature nature!". But wait it gets better. Season 2 was a cluster fuck of whining. He whines because you don't want to fight Carver head on. He whines because you take Luke's side. He whines and blames you for Saritas death whether or not you cut her arm off. He whines about how he's lost so much (so has everyone, he isn't special) and he even tells you he can't look at you if you tell him to stop acting like he is the only one who's lost people. He whines if you disagree with Wellington. He whines if you side with Jane. What does Gabe whine about? That he wants to help? How is that worst than Kenny's whining?
Complaint #2: "Gabe fucks up everything he touches. Let him die"
What exactly has Gabe fucked up on? The only real thing he messed up was getting Javi stabbed. That's it. I can't think of anything else. So why do people insist he fucks everything up? Now lets see what Kenny fucked up. First of, he is responsible for Shawns death. He is responsible for Lily going crazy. He killed her dad and blames you when things go to shit because of what he did. He ultimately gets Lee killed because he stole supplies from the stranger. In season 2 he gets Alvin killed if he shoots Carver (He blames you for getting caught if you choose not to let him shoot Carver). He also tore the group apart because he can't control his anger. So who fucked up more?
Complaint #3: "Gabe is a coward and he sold out Javi"
When was Gabe shown to be a coward? I remember him always wanting to help even if it means getting killed. Not the best mindset to have but still not a coward. You know if you don't kill Larry, Kenny is ready to let you die when Danny points a gun at you because he is scared. You didn't have his back all the time? He was ready to let Lee die in ep 3 when he was caught under all those walkers. Oh and he also sells you out by making Lee look like an asshole for killing the girl on the streets. In season 2 he breaks down whenever anything happens, and hides away in a tent yelling at everyone while throwing a tantrum. Seems pretty cowardly in my opinion.
Now I could go on and on but it seems that these are the main reasons people hate Gabe, but if you apply these reasons to Kenny, suddenly there are a million ways to justify his positions. As far as hating Gabe for having a crush on Clem, well that's just stupid. Clementine is her own person and she can do whatever she wants with who ever she wants. I don't like it either to be honest but I don't have to. Only she does. Anyways, I know I am going to get a ton of hate for this but I am just tired of all the Gabe complaining. Remember Gabe is a kid, Kenny is an adult. Who is more justified?
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What makes you say that? Have you ever heard of opinions?
I hate Gabe because he threw his uncle under the bus for saving him from Conrad and I love Kenny cause he cares a lot about his close people and family.
EDIT: I'll make a big post about what you said, later.
Kenny and Nick are completely different characters and very heavily contrasted, sure you may find basic similarities in their actions and behavioral attributes but you could do that for any character. For the most part they are polar opposites.
He put medical alcohol on Kate's gun shot wound.
He pointed a gun and threatened to shoot an unarmed man.
Put himself in danger on more than one occasion, one of which nearly got Javi killed.
He sold out Javi, causing a huge divide within the group.
He constantly interrupts plan formation with agressive and outlandish behavior with stupid ideas that would only get people killed.
It's obvious you didn't read the post. See complaint #3. Also, Gabe loves his family. There is no doubt about that so why hate Gabe?
why did he sell out JAvi for no reason?
You could say you are a hypocrite if you hate Gabe and love Jane jk.
So far Gabe was only fuc*ing things up. I believe he might change, but so far he is about to become Ben 2.0.
I didn't know about the alcohol but that hardly matters since it didn't translate to anything.
You mean Conrad? Pointing a gun at a man who was threatening his uncle and having enough restraint not to shoot him?
The rest is just like Kenny. Kenny made Lee look like an asshole for killing/not killing the girl on the streets. Kenny cause a big divide in his group for not listening to plans and being overly aggressive. He is the reason there is no more cabin group. See...hypocrite. Whatever Gabe is guilty of so is Kenny. Only difference is Kenny is a grown ass man. Gabe is a teen.
Well, my Lee always treated Kenny like a brother, so none of that stuff happens in my playthroughs. Gabe whines constantly about stupid shit. Gabe's family weren't trapped with cannibals and Gabe wasn't stuck in a locker with a dead guy. I'd be pissed if someone who's had my back thus far turned on me too. Kenny treats you like family whereas Gabe is a little shit all the time. To @ZombiePizza 's points, Gabe constantly fucks things up. Kenny is right about mainly everything in the game, the St. Johns, leaving the Motor Inn, moving on from the Ski Lodge to find Wellington, getting out of Howe's, Jane not knowing respect, not trusting Arvo (may be a subject with many opinions but he was right in mine.) plus more. Kenny has shown to be extremely selfless, some examples are fighting alongside Lee at the St. Johns, (determinant but it happened in my game) saving Ben/Christa in episode 5, giving himself up at the Ski Lodge to Carver after he threatens Clem, begging for Edith to take in Clem & AJ, plus much more. It's almost been an entire season and I can't think of one thing Gabe has been right on or has put himself before others (excluding David.) So no, Kenny is nothing like Gabe. Kenny is a good man who is honest, has good intuition, determined, and selfless. Gabe is just a little shit who constantly fucks up and tries to act tough when he's just a scared kid.
He caused that there is no more cabin group? As far as i know they were the ones that found him on the ski lodge. He was protective about most of them except Jane. Gabe pulling out gun on Conrad was totally stupid decision, Javi would handle it
I love Kenny and I like Gabe so I'm ok
I dont hate neither Kenny or Gabe. What am I?
I agree with all of this.
I didn't side with him at robbing the station wagon and letting Ben die, yet he still came with me to look after Clem.
I helped him kill Larry so I don't know how I should answer that.
That didn't happen in my game.
When did he say that?
I didn't take Luke's side.
But he apologized later on.
Because you called him an asshole. I didn't.
I agreed with him, why would I trust Mike, Bonnie and Jane more?
Because you side with a selfish bitch who killed my favourite character of Season 2, Sarah, and had fun with Luke in Episode 4 when there were bigger problems.
Did he ever throw somebody under the bus? Did Kenny ever hate me for siding with him? Gabe threw me under the bus because I saved him from a maniac who pointed a gun on his head. You really think this is how he should thank me?
Its not just that. He threw his uncle under the bus for killing Conrad, destroying his friendship with Tripp and Eleanor. This is the big problem. I saved his fucking life and this is how he repays me, acting like a whiny BITCH!!!
So is he responsible for suggesting Duck to use the truck? All I remember is that Shawn let him do that when Duck wanted to build a fence and Shawn left the keys on it. I don't know what you're talking about.
She goes crazy because I saved her life from her reanimated father. She didn't want to understand why Kenny and my Lee did it.
Like I said, I did help him kill Larry so I dunno what you're still trying to say.
So you would just choose to starve to death because you can't take supplies from an abandoned vehicle with the keys on the ignition during the apocalypse? Who leaves a car like this during the apocalypse? Your point is invalid.
But you're the one who tells him to shoot Carver. If you tell him not to shoot, he does listen to you. Also, Alvin's death in episode 2 is determinant. You point is invalid.
How do you even know? I don't remember this happening.
I don't remember this happening.
I'm telling you again, this did NOT happen in my game.
Yes I did except stealing stuff from Stranger and letting Ben die.
That didn't happen in my game either.
SIGHS This one never happened in my game.
And your point is?
Clementine doesn't need a piece of shit like Gabe who throws his family under the bus for trying to keep him safe. Clementine needs friends, not love. As Kate mentioned, Gabe has a crush on her and I'm doing my best for that to not happen.
So what?
Read what I said below.
Because we obviously needed extra drama for the climax of the episode where the near-pointless character that was meant to motivate ends up partially determinate anyway after doing fuck all.
Mike and Jane weren't part of the Cabin Group to begin with.
Eh...not really?
Yeah, I had a similar thought while watching Thicker than Water for the first time and it seems that was pretty accurate considering how "popular" he is with thread makers.
Personally, I like Gabe and have since gotten encumbered towards Kenny, so I'm not sure where I fall on this.
Your Lee really was an asshole lol. Just kidding.
My Lee was the opposite. At most of the times he agreed with Lilly.
Kenny is a titan in the WD franchise compared to Gabe. If we're gonna compare the two (which doesn't really work anyway imo) then we gotta look at everything like fanbase size, character development, memorable scenes, hard hitting emotional moments, leadership, fighting skills, etc... Kenny comes out on top in nearly every area. A lot of stuff you said is determinant about Kenny anyway. Gabe is a chump no matter what.
Some things are also arguable like Kenny being responsible for Lilly's insanity. It's like saying that the bandits that attacked the motel are responsible for Kenny's insanity. Might have some truth to it but every man and woman is ultimately responsible for how they carry themselves.
I was neutral about Lilly until she killed Carley.
Some valid points here.
Nuclear launch detected!
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We're at defcon one! Everybody hit the deck!
He also does this if you surrender and don't charge Carver yourself. As I unfortunately found out on my first playthrough.
I believe it's in the back of the truck. That's the only thing that makes the most sense.
That was in the preview for In Harm's Way. It never actually happens in the episode proper, though. For some strange reason, considering he hogs most of the screentime.
Him forcing everyone to march through the blizzard, constantly arguing with Luke and later Jane, needlessly abusing Arvo, and getting mad when the others didn't agree with him contributed to Rebecca's death(which was mostly Luke and especially Jane's fault from where I stand, but still), Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo defecting from the group, Clementine getting shot(for all that was worth), and finally Jane's plan to convince Clementine to be with her.
He whines regardless, whether you side with him or simply suggest everyone get some rest and discuss the gameplan in the morning(the latter of which being the point where even my patience was tested).
Also, not that I disagreed with the second point, but I love how it suddenly became about you.
But what if you love Gabe and hate Kenny hmmmmm?
This is a prime example of how you should do sufficient research before making any serious claims and calling people a hypocrite and secondly it didn't translate into anything because the writing made it so. In a real life situation it could have put her heart in serious shock and cause her to die.
So what, are we supposed to be proud of him for, "having enough restraint not to shoot him."?
Because he was still unarmed and acting in an aggressive manner towards the man who he believed had caused the death of his wife.
I'd say it's perfectly justified to be angry with Javi in this situation had he opened fired on the people holding Francine captive and if it was truly a serious threat Conrad was making then Tripp or some other perfectly capable people would have prevented him from doing anything serious.
Actually the cabin group are the reason there is no more cabin group. Kenny actually wanted Clem to stay with him in the lodge while the cabin group went their own way but due to Carver's interruption this became impossible.
People who died that where part of the cabin group died because someone killed them or they got themselves into an unavoidable and deadly situation. The deaths of an entire group of capable adults cannot be blamed on the actions and beliefs of a single man that did nothing but try and protect the people he cared about.
No actually, Lee made himself look like the asshole for doing it. Just because Kenny told him to does not mean it's his fault, besides it can be considered a justified action done for the greater good.
He only disagreed with Lilly's plans. This is not to say he did not have plans of his own however because he very much did. A plan to leave the motel on the RV earlier which turned out to be a fantastic plan than staying considering they were attacked by bandits and Duck was bitten. This never would have happened if Lilly had agreed to leave earlier.
Also one can claim Lilly was overly aggressive and so was Larry. But I bet you'd say they didn't cause the group to divide which in itself is very hypocritical.
Very poorly phrased and pieced together. You call us a hypocrite but then are blinded by your own hypocrisy.
Claiming the only difference between two characters is their age is nothing more than foolish.
I strongly suggest you rethink your claims and acknowledge the counter arguments that can and will shut your points down.
There is so much wrong with this comparison that I won't even bother with a long, serious answer. If you don't see the clear difference between Kenny - a man who couldn't care less about garbage people and actually gets shit done - and Gabe - a teen who feels unfairly treated all the time and is worse than Ben - then it is your sad problem.
EDIT: Also, the vast majority of your points only applies if you choose to play "100% anti Kenny". Most people didn't do that.
Well, tehnically it's a rare decision, not many people chose that.
I cannot deny that he just tried to help.
If it happens in the preview and not in the gameplay, then it doesn't count.
He did that because Arvo got Luke killed.
That's because Arvo thinks she shot his sister ALIVE. How come he didn't notice that Natasha's skin was rotten?
Mike and Bonnie sided with a nerd who almost got them killed and leaves a kid and a baby with all the supplies they had. Bonnie was a backstabbing shitbird anyway cause she betrayed a lot of people.
I don't think people hate Gabe because of those things you've pointed out, it's rather caused by this forced romance drama and Gabe's misfortune he happens to be the only teenager - target of all hate and threats, because people tend to be overprotective towards Clementine.
And this is why everybody hates TWD section of the forum...
Gabe has had 0 Shining moments when we can say, good job Gabe apart from him finding us at that window (Determinant) other than that hes just a character who has done alot of stupid shit. Not even going to talk about Kenny because hes had his bad moments but hes had some very honourable ones too ( Losing his eye for Clem, saving ben/Christa etc ). Until Gabe has some of those moments Gabe is nowhere near my list of favoured characters as Kenny is in my top 3
(Team Kenny)
Not sure how scrawny Arvo hobbling halfway across the opposite side of the lake caused the also hobbling on one leg and no doubt heavier Luke to fall in.
Also, Kenny was abusing him long before that and outright beating him in the house was just escalation.
I almost didn't respond to this because it's potentially derailing, but there are other [determinate] reasons for Arvo to do that.
The fact of the matter is that if it wasn't for Kenny's anger issues, Mike wouldn't have freed Arvo and tried to run off with most of the supplies, which ended with Clementine getting shot. Just because he overreacted and did something bad doesn't erase the fact that Kenny started it--arguably the moment they were assigned to work together, no less!
The discussion in this thread summarized in a one simple GIF.
(i like them both. woo.)
(I know I might make some people mad with my assertions in this post. I don't have anything against Kenny haters, and I do understand why around half of the fanbase prefer Jane over him, hell I shot him myself. This is the only post I'm going to make about Kenny. If you disagree with anything I said please feel free to do so.)
No I'm not. Gabe and Kenny are two different characters. Just because they are both prone to anger when things don't go their way doesn't mean my favoring of Kenny over Gabe is any less justified.
You wanna know why I forgive Kenny for his wrongdoing and not Gabe? It's because I understand where his whining and anger comes from. He lost his family in an instant. His wife committed suicide right in front of him and he had to watch his son get shot right before his own eyes, possibly by his own hand. I'm sure damn near anyone would probably go apeshit after that.
"What about Larry? He wouldn't stop bitching about it."
Sure, and they really could've downplayed the whining (Season 1's writing wasn't flawless) but you have to put it into perspective. Kenny just murdered a man, and had good reason to do so. There was a very probable chance that Larry would turn into a zombie, and none of them would be able to take him on. Can you blame him for not wanting to take that chance? Especially with Clementine in there too? Now as for the whining, not only is he now a murderer in that scenario, but he committed a well intentioned murder that no one else agreed with. Can you imagine having to cope with a murder for the good of the group when no one else was on your side? I'd probably try to shift blame too.
"But what about season 2? All he did was whine when things didn't go his way!" Same thing that happened with his family. His close friends, Walter and Matthew? Dead, killed by Carver (and Nick, but he never learned that) with no hesitation. You think that Kenny's just gonna take that in stride while he's imprisoned in a base lead by the man who killed them, especially after getting his eye bashed out of his skull? Of course not!
"What about Sarita? It wasn't Clem's fault that she got bit!" You really need to learn the five stages of grief. Yes, it wasn't Clementine's fault, but is that what's going through Kenny's head? No! He just watched his girlfriend get ripped to shreds by zombies! And then out of nowhere Clementine smashes an axe into her face, all while Kenny is grieving just inches away. If you seriously don't understand why Kenny wouldn't be thinking clearly after that incident then I'm sorry but you really need to work on your empathy. ( The same thing applies for when you don't choose to axe off Sarita's arm.)
"Clementine went through much worse!" Uh huh, and look where she is. Irresponsibly pointing a loaded gun at a guys head because she believes its full of dud bullets. Wildly threatening to shoot David without hesitation. Furiously stabbing an innocent doctor in the skull when he had nothing to do with the incident with AJ, in fact he tried to convince David to give her a second chance. Let's face it, the only reason she didn't break down like Sarah during the events of Season 2 is because she was being controlled by a person who knew this is a work of fiction. (And no, the fact that this is fiction does not lessen Kenny's motivations.)
Now let's go back to Gabe, what reasons does he have for whining and messing up?
Because he's young? Sure, and if that's all he did I would have no problem tolerating him, but what reason did he have for blurting out that it was Javi who shot Conrad?
Was it because he wanted to do the right thing? I doubt it, he didn't show any guilt for hiding it from Tripp and Eleanor beforehand. Was it because he wasn't thinking straight? Why wouldn't he be? Because of Mariana? He seemed to function fine after her death. Was it because he was mad because they didn't trust him enough to tag along? I'd buy that, but if that's the case then he's a brat with no self awareness and only cares about himself. And that's the difference between him and Kenny. Kenny, for all his headstrong and stubborn ways, did everything he could for the good of his family and the group. Would Kenny have held the death of Shawn over Lee's head when he didn't get his way? How about the St. Johns? (If I'm given proof that he did do that I'll take back what i said.)
Gabe had absolutely no reason to care about Conrad, he only did it to throw Javi under the bus. He doesn't care about the group, or doing the right thing, he only cares about proving his worth. Which imo makes him worse than Ben, Sarah and Nick combined.
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