It's Clem's fault...
You guys ever think about it? What if clem DIDNT trust the stranger, what would happen? Lee died because she trusted him, if she didn't go missing, Lee wouldn't search for her, and he wouldn't get bit. Why Clem?
Season 1 was definitely my favourite season.
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Well she was still innocently young and naive at the time not to mention quite desperate to find her parents. With that said it still doesn't change the fact that Lee did die as a result of her actions regardless of intent.
It is her fault for what happened but she was a nine year old kid. Its easy to trick children.
If Clem had been 13 in season 1. I think she would do the same thing, but left the group once she notices that Lee has no intention on finding her parents. Lee would get bit; Clem puts lee down.
It's Lee's fault as a guardian for not keeping an eye on who Clem was talking to
Also no one else in the group decided to stop Clem from going out.
I don't blame her. Blame the walker
Good point!
Lee was only out there where the walker was lol stop trying to justify her betrayal
It is her fault but she was just naive. A lot of kids were.
No its Clem's parents fault for not teaching their own girl to do not trust strangers.
Also his last information was that radio is broken.
And when he found out he definitely took it and asked Clem who was she talking to.
How many threads of this do we have? There are many people at fault for this.
Kids will be kids. With Ben's poor track record of dependability and Kenny's negative Mood Lee shouldn't have expected them to watch out for her.
In Ep3 during the train scene, you can tell Clem that her parents are dead, but she will say "They're not dead! Do you want them to be?" In which she will start crying
Well you have a good point but growing up in the Zombie apocalypse if her parents had to tell her what 911 was in the voicemail I don't think she was ever taught about stranger danger because she trusted Lee right away she's lucky Lee was a good guy.
Imo the whole situation didn't make sense, in fact it made the characters dumb. Why would Lee leave the walkie out like that unattended when he knows somebody is out there preying on Clementine. Then why would Clementine talk to some random guy like that despite Lee's telling her to stay away. I'm sure at some point in Clementine's life prior she was taught to never talk to strangers and that's what she did talk to a stranger.
She thought about dropping a hammer on his head so she had some grasp on the concept of stranger danger. As a scared child without food she was willing to take the chance he would be helpful.
And its also her fault Kenny died.
I would point to when they were still in her house...she would have know her father was bitten...later she would know what that meant.
That is like saying it is Kenny's fault Carley or Doug died.
Ah, my bad
Yeah you are right, Clementine is the main source of Lee getting bit and people doesn't even care. She betrayed the group and sold them to the stranger, all their plans and info, she also left the mansion voluntarely, she was stupid enough to be "manipulated" by a guy who she's never met or saw. She was told by Lee and Christa that he was not a nice guy and still goes behind their back after told they need to look for safety rather then search for her parents who are dead. Now, if it was Ben who had done that, he would be abused for being a idiot but clementine can get away with it? F#CK that.
What the hell is that name? Logically, yes, but I'm happy he didn't.
Not really. She was innocent, naive and gullible, just like most eight-year-olds are.
She likely was taught about stranger danger, but that concept doesn't exist in the whole TWD universe full stop, never mind when she trusted a stranger herself in Lee.
And yes, there was the option to tell her that her parents died, but then she'd end up losing hope, spreading negativity and end up becoming a liability to both the group and herself.
She'd have been a step closer to becoming "Jane 2.0".
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Well now I'm pretty curious as to why do some folks here care a bunch if a thread repeats itself a few times out of a few thousand threads? I mean is there a easy super obvious way to conduct a very quick thread search among the thousands upon thousands of pre-existing threads to check out before making your own thread to be affirmative that yours you create will be first and unique? Or do users intentionally repeat create threads to be a bit annoying?
Personally I simply wouldn't waste time commenting if it bothered me that much and leave it to the moderators to clean up if it truly got out of hand. To be able to do either..i believe one must have far too much time on their hands.lol
I'm sorry, did I really just fuckin read that? Someone else noticed that paradox of hypocrisy?!
Okay, tell me what's wrong.
Nothing really, just so weird to see someone not only say that but say it like it's no big deal after almost a year of being here. The fact that it's someone like you (who I don't really know but still) is just a bizarre cherry.
Because we are supposed to search and not keep repeating the same damn threads over and over and over and over. And in the past few weeks we have seen a great number of new threads asking old questions that have been answered time and again.
How was Jane a liability? Helping them escape? Going to find Luke and Nick and Sarah? Actually helping maintain peace on the walk to Arvo's? Having the presence of mind to get a fire started so that Clem does not die of hypothermia?
Remember that she played a major part in Jaime, Sarah, Rebecca, Natasha, Luke, Kenny, and/or her own deaths; if she wasn't so selfish, prejudiced, self-righteous, and hypocritical, they might not have died. There's also her setting Arvo up for his Start of Darkness, intentionally caused Kenny to finally snap, and was almost certainly gonna be the catalyst to Kenny and Luke's feud escalating to the point of eventual violence.
Wrong! Arvo would have said hey there are some people at the memorial...and his group...filled with bandits would have attacked them anyway. Plus...what was Arvo doing with those meds?
He says his sister needs them
Trying to stash them there, obviously. Also, there really wasn't anything explicitly stating that they were bandits anyway; it was clearly just Buricko taking advantage of the situation to get some supplies as payback.
I love how some of you people tend defend Jane in that situation by blaming the victim and calling him a Russian/Communist/Bandit; like that totally justifies what she did and wrought upon him and both groups. Two wrongs don't make a right, but seriously, if she had handled that encounter better by, oh I don't know, leaving him alone and/or staying hidden altogether, he wouldn't have had anything to go home and complain about and might have just gone somewhere else to find a hiding spot like he seemed to be considering anyway.
Like I said, prejudiced and self-righteous.
She was a young child and young children are a lot more impressionable and therefor easier to manipulate. But even with that said, Clementine knows she's responsible for Lee's death and doesn't try to make excuses for it. For example, in All That Remains during the dinner scene, if you choose the "I killed him" dialogue option and didn't shoot Lee she'll say something along the lines of, "I was too young and stupid to do anything right. He died because of me." Not to mention, there's quite a few different dialogue options in Season 2 regarding Lee and how his death could've been avoided. I think those are pretty strong indicators that she knows it was her fault and she regrets it.
Dude...they were bandits. Plus he pulled the gun on Clem...and let him go. And I am still calling bullshit...I think he stole those meds from the group and lied about it to his group....why was he...Arvo with a bad leg...alone with something as important as meds? It does not add up.
I haven't seen a search feature anywhere on this site.
I also thought moderators usually tend to either combine or close repeat threads don't they?
I'm not usually the one to defend Jane (or Kenny, for that matter) but condemning her for causing the deaths of Rebecca, Natasha, and Luke is really far fetched.
You could say that if Nick didn't die in episode 2 or 4, then Luke wouldn't have died... Is Luke surviving because of Nick's "alive" status - a possibility? Sure. Does that mean we should blame him for causing Luke's death? No.
Sure, Jane left, she didn't die... But that doesn't change much. She waited until Rebecca gave birth and left. She doesn't own the group anything.
Jane held Arvo up, sure, but she didn't do anything to him (she does imply that you need Arvo's meds, but that's logical, at the very least). If you don't do anything, then she'll give the medicine back to Arvo.
Sorry for the rant.
Well, he was planning on running away with his sister and stashing her medicine at a checkpoint would've reduced the straggle involved in leaving the house. So basically, he got ambushed by Jane, who took his gun and determinately convinced Clementine to take the medicine, thus forcing/convincing him to return home having to explain what happened to it/them. Hence his attitude when they ambush/meet the group on the road: reluctance/coyness.
Again, just because they decide to take whatever the group that they would've wanted as punishment doesn't mean they were bandits--might as well call Kenny and Jane bandits too. And even if they were bandits, Arvo himself would've a particular failing one(which admittedly would be kinda funny) given he clearly didn't like having to point a gun at someone(even in self-defense), much less steal from them(even if they stole from him first).